The McMyth of the McPoverty Calculator

posted at 7:01 pm on August 3, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

The Daily Beast has come up with what they surely must have thought was a brainstorm in the ongoing debate over a “living wage” in the United States, though what the end goal of the experiment is seems to be something of a mystery. In it, they posit a wonderful, sunshine and rainbow filled world where all of the workers at McDonald’s could take home significantly higher wages if only their mean old corporate taskmasters would simply raise the price of their products a bit. And in this offering – called The McPoverty Calculator – you get to join in on the fun and play along by entering an amount (in pennies) that you’d be willing to pay above the current cost for a Big Mac, and the tool helpfully translates that change into how much more the employees could earn. The pitch for it is just heart warming.

Paying cents more for a burger could mean big wage hikes for fast-food workers, many of whom live in poverty. So how much more would you pay for a Big Mac? How much more would you pay for a Big Mac if you knew the person serving it to you would be able to raise her children out of poverty?

This week has seen mass protests and job walk-outs across the fast-food industry, with employees from McDonald’s to Taco Bell demanding higher wages and better treatment. Some labor economists have said that a slight increase in the price of a burger could result in a big jump in wages—enough to raise the fortunes of thousands of $7.25-an-hour employees.

I actually stumbled across this article by way of Dr. Joyner at Outside the Beltway who decided to participate in the game.

The poll tells us that “The average price of a Big Mac is $4.56, and many fast-food workers make $7.25 an hour.” It then asks readers to select how many more cents they’d be willing to pay. According to the calculator, paying an additional 5 cents for the burger would bring workers to $8.03 an hour, or $16,696.79 a year–still below the poverty line. Still, that’s a pretty massive pay hike for a measly nickel a burger. Paying an additional 10 cents brings workers to $9.56 an hour, or $19,885.60–just above the poverty line. My initial answer, 20 cents*, almost doubles their salary to $14.12 an hour, a whopping $29,263.75 a year. That’s actually a decent wage in most of the country.

Joyner then gets to a bit of a caveat which he seems to play off as a lot less significant than I believe it to be.

Now, it’s not a slam dunk that people would really pay an additional 20 cents for the burger in practice, especially if competitors were holding the line on prices. But I suspect they would; for most of us, it’s simply a negligible amount. And, of course, there’s no guarantee that all of the increased revenue would go to the employees.

I’m sorry, but that’s kind of the whole point. Both of those issues would seem pivotal to the discussion, and not in favor of the premise put forward by the poll. (Not to mention missing the larger point entirely.) Let’s leave aside for the moment the problems inherent in having the federal government put its thumb on the scale of wages even further. The prices that McDonald’s (and their competitors) charge are where they are for a reason, and a lot of marketing and research work goes into it. Sure, plenty of sympathetic folks will say that they’d be willing to pay 20 cents more for for any of the products. But what happens to McDonald’s when their dollar menu suddenly becomes their “Dollar Twenty” menu? Joyner’s caveat about other competitors holding the line isn’t theoretical. It’s a given. They’d probably throw a party on the day McDonald’s announced it.

As for the money going to the employees, where to even begin? McDonald’s is charging what they charge because it is the most they can get away with charging without losing trade and delivering the maximum return to their shareholders which can be managed. If there was some magical way under their current business model and conditions to charge 20 cents more and remain competitive, they’d already be charging 20 cents more. And while that may not sound like a lot, they serve 23 million meals per day in the United States alone. If they could bring in another $4.6M dollars per day, their shareholders would be ecstatic. And not because the money was being handed out to the workers.

Finally, the wages they pay follow the same laws as the prices they charge. They pay their workers the least they can, either by law or because paying less would not attract the number of employees they require for operations. Just like every other business in the country. One point which seems to confuse the social justice battalion is this idea they seem to be stuck on that there is some sort of obligation or social contract which states that industry is obligated or intended to create jobs, and good paying ones at that. The fact is, job creation was never one of the driving factors in the evolution of industry. It was only a happy side effect. Business sees employees as expensive, problematic components in the corporate machine. (Sorry to be so harsh.) They get sick, they complain, they want raises, they make mistakes… robots are far preferable. But robots can’t do everything. One of the goals of any modern business model, I’m sad to say, is to reduce the number of employees to the minimum possible. All of these things render the McPoverty calculator pretty much irrelevant.


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People can testify to the fact that most workers at a typical McDonalds [sic] who used to be seen as many as 30-some hours a week on the job are now working about half the hours they used to have as the fast food restaurants have drastically cut hours…

I have to believe Meghan McCain is using Scott Paulson as a pseudonym.

pain train on August 4, 2013 at 12:07 PM

End the minimum wage laws, and let the market decide what the labor is worth. Of course then you’d really have to enforce the immigration laws because no American would ever be hired again.

Iblis on August 4, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Exactly. Min-wage laws are a mere nuisance compared to the infestation of illegal cheap labor. Take the former out entirely and do nothing about the latter people will have no option but to violently expel the competition. Seriously, how the hell could ANYONE compete in that scenario?

MelonCollie on August 4, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Exactly. Min-wage laws are a mere nuisance compared to the infestation of illegal cheap labor. Take the former out entirely and do nothing about the latter people will have no option but to violently expel the competition. Seriously, how the hell could ANYONE compete in that scenario?

MelonCollie on August 4, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Now, if they’d make that “illegal cheap labor” “legal cheap labor” we’d be on the same wavelength. As for “violently expel the competition” — isn’t that what the Germans did to the Jews?

unclesmrgol on August 4, 2013 at 1:31 PM

There are a lot of rich liberals out there. Why don’t they buy these fast food joints and they can pay their employees $20 per hour if they want. You know these kind of jobs were meant for teenagers and such, not for raising a family on. Thanks Obama!

rich8450 on August 3, 2013 at 7:38 PM

Clap

Fast food used to be a place where high school and college students used to work for their spending money and to learn to work.

Now it has been taken over by non-skilled older workers.

It wasn’t never meant to be a long term job.

One of the reasons teen unemployment is so high.

Barred on August 3, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Many of the summer jobs like landscaping are now held by illegals. I met a motel maid who lost her job of eight years when the owner replaced everyone (except the desk, of course) with illegals. The illegal flow is gigantic and it pushes the low enders into competition for the non skill jobs that still hire citizens.

Construction labor, cement, black top, roofing, carpentry, landscaping get stacked with illegals via sub contractors.

But fast food is public contact, and cannot as easily hide illegals. So the people pushed out of other employment by illegals fight for fast food jobs

The rich liberals should start with their own service workers, and make sure all are legal. Refuse to contract a pool service who uses non citizens and verify your workers. They wont. They contract so they can pretend they didn’t know the business was bypassing Americans. Or worse, they are proud to hire illegal. Makes them think they are helping the little people.

entagor on August 4, 2013 at 1:41 PM

The fact that this is even an issue shows how much trouble we’re in. Seems the price of tea in China really does affect us.

I really do feel for these and other Americans who are struggling, but the fact of the matter is that artificially raising wages counter to market forces does the worker no good whatsoever. Raising taxes on corporations does no good. In both scenarios the increases get passed on to the consumer and so all prices go up negating the effects of higher wages and more taxes (which gets siphoned off by the crooks in government anyway).

The only real solution is ongoing wealth creation and ever increasing prosperity. Obviously that’s not happening.

But we shouldn’t be too cavalier in our attitude towards minimum wage workers. There are many good paying jobs that have disappeared as well. Corporations are cutting whatever they can to float their bottom lines. They can only do this for a while longer. Many small businesses across the country are shutting down every week-many of those were started 30 years ago or earlier.

Cloward-Piven politics coupled with the selling off of America to China and others and the crony Capitalist thievery is the nightmare scenario that few of us could have imagined decades ago.

Inevitably the rest of us are going to end up in the same boat.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 4, 2013 at 2:23 PM

End the minimum wage laws, and let the market decide what the labor is worth. Of course then you’d really have to enforce the immigration laws because no American would ever be hired again.

Iblis on August 4, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Exactly. Min-wage laws are a mere nuisance compared to the infestation of illegal cheap labor. Take the former out entirely and do nothing about the latter people will have no option but to violently expel the competition. Seriously, how the hell could ANYONE compete in that scenario?

MelonCollie on August 4, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Nope. Minimum wage laws are the reason for illegal immigration (or at least a major one of them). There is a demand for illegal labor specifically because an illegal isn’t going to run to the government to complain about bellow-minimum-wage wages (or substandard work place safety, for that matter). So, legal residents sit on their hands because it isn’t worth it to work for an illegally low wage, while illegals stream it to get them.
Illegal immigration is a symptom, not an underlying problem. All we can do is manage it until the underlying causes (both American and Mexican socialism) are eliminated.

Count to 10 on August 4, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Now, if they’d make that “illegal cheap labor” “legal cheap labor” we’d be on the same wavelength.

It basically already is. The Resident has mostly finished the process of defanging ICE and the BP and the border fence will never be finished or worth a darn.

As for “violently expel the competition” — isn’t that what the Germans did to the Jews?

unclesmrgol on August 4, 2013 at 1:31 PM

1. I smell a Godwin/strawman. (apologies if you’re not meaning one)
2. Not even CLOSE. German motivations were pure revenge and mass murder. American motives would be “get outta my community and stay out until you learn to come in the front door instead of sneak in the window.”

Or to put it another way, mass detainment would be e exactly the wrong tactic because we want them to go elsewhere, not to keep them here!

MelonCollie on August 4, 2013 at 3:04 PM

But we shouldn’t be too cavalier in our attitude towards minimum wage workers.

Cloward-Piven politics coupled with the selling off of America to China and others and the crony Capitalist thievery is the nightmare scenario that few of us could have imagined decades ago.

Inevitably the rest of us are going to end up in the same boat.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 4, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Exactly, doctor. Flippantly dismissing min-wage workers as all teenagers working for pocket money or complete losers is unnecessary arrogance and a flat-out lie. Don’t think for a Detroit minute that you’re very far away from being there as the Obamaconomy continutes to crumble careers.

Conservatives have a vested interest in not letting liberals “Set the battlefield”, as it was aptly noted elsewhere, and also to not keep carelessly spouting the middle-class versions of “let them eat cake”.

MelonCollie on August 4, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Glorious Leader will not only raise the Minimum Wage, but he will issue an Executive Order setting the price of everything….
It is written!

Another Drew on August 4, 2013 at 3:22 PM

So this assumes that the ONLY menu item with a price increase is the Big Mac, right?

Raise the cost however much you want, I’ll just order something else on the very rare instances I go there. I’m sure liberals would be happy to pay $20 for a burger if that’s what it takes.

malclave on August 4, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Conservatives have a vested interest in not letting liberals “Set the battlefield”, as it was aptly noted elsewhere, and also to not keep carelessly spouting the middle-class versions of “let them eat cake”.

MelonCollie on August 4, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Should we also negotiate with cockroaches? Maybe leave them a pile of high quality left-overs with a promise from them to not invade our cupboards?

What do you and the good doctor suggest? How about we set up a social safety net so that when good folks are down on their luck, they can get assistance from the government as a bridge to better times.

oh….wait…….

BobMbx on August 4, 2013 at 3:52 PM

funny how the same people that support min wage laws also want amnesty. neither group wants to pay the real price of labor in a 1st world country. Fac tof the matter is that if it were not for min wage laws, open borders and the welfare state businesses could not get away with paying $7.50/hour. there would be massive strikes and unions would make a comeback in the USA. Notice that all the great gains of the labor movement occured before min wage laws come into effect, before the welfare state subsidized businesses low wages and before the the great invasions of illegal aliens.

Fact of the matter is that without government intervention labor rates would be most likely twice the min wage rate now as people strike or refuse to work for $7.50/hour. It just could never happen in a non welfare state because people would die of starvation.

unseen on August 4, 2013 at 3:54 PM

Sunday photo essays…

Resist We Much on August 4, 2013 at 2:12 PM

you are stealing other people’s work.

sesquipedalian on August 4, 2013 at 4:06 PM

If there was some magical way under their current business model and conditions to charge 20 cents more and remain competitive, they’d already be charging 20 cents more.

This is the DUH moment that leaves liberals dumbstruck.

John the Libertarian on August 4, 2013 at 4:43 PM

It just could never happen in a non welfare state because people would die of starvation.

unseen on August 4, 2013 at 3:54 PM

Free markets are scary. Ask any lib.

John the Libertarian on August 4, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Fact of the matter is that without government intervention labor rates would be most likely twice the min wage rate now as people strike or refuse to work for $7.50/hour. It just could never happen in a non welfare state because people would die of starvation.

unseen on August 4, 2013 at 3:54 PM

I worked 12 hour days for $5 mowing lawns, cutting trees, trimming hedges, digging post holes and other hard work from age 12 to age 17. Before that and even during that time, I mowed our own lawn for free, shoveled snow, helped in the garden, cleaned the shop and other chores. I helped neighbors for free paint walls and fences. I learned quite a few skills. I then joined the Marines and worked for little to nothing really, if and it is a lie, if it was 40 hour weeks, I was getting about $3.50 an hour plus shared living quarters and bulk food.

I think your estimate of what people would work for is skewed and off.

But I do agree with you that the wages would be double on average today of the minimum wage sans government interference and theft from businesses and their disregard for our borders.

astonerii on August 4, 2013 at 4:52 PM

What do you and the good doctor suggest? How about we set up a social safety net so that when good folks are down on their luck, they can get assistance from the government as a bridge to better times.

oh….wait…….

BobMbx on August 4, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Obviously you didn’t read my entire, original post-the quote had been edited.

What I’m suggesting is that our economic system is being purposely destroyed based mostly upon the Saul Alinsky amd Cloward-Piven principles leading to a Socialist NWO. Those that currently control the means of production are accumulating as much wealth as they can because they believe they will be able to negotiate with the Devil and survive in luxury. They may…for a time…I just don’t know.

At any rate, the other thing I was saying is that jobs and wealth for us Proles is fast evaporating. The meme that says that if you have a crappy job you have no right to complain because you can get a better one is wearing thin. If our entire economic system collapses, what good then is traditional Capitalism/Free Enterprise? None whatsoever outside of the black market and barter.

What makes you think that just because you’re in a good position now that you will be next year? What makes you think that some kind of Conservative Messiah is going to magically appear and restore our Republic?

I’m a realist. We are being forced into Socialism.

Pretty sure we both agree that Free Enterprise is the better system, but that system is being deconstructed. We have to start asking ourselves, “OK, what do we do now?”

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 4, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Here’s my proposal:

For every penny over minimum wage McDonald’s pays a minimum wage earner, they get a two cent tax credit, and for every cent McDonalds gets in tax credits, the federal government cuts spending by five cents.

OK, now back to reality and some basic economic facts:

Real wealth is created by business profits. Wealth can be created and wealth can be destroyed.

The purpose of a business, the purpose of commerce, is to create real wealth for the owners of the business. It is not the purpose of a business to create jobs.

Employees are only hired by the business owners when those employees create more wealth for the business than it costs the business to employ them. When a the cost of keeping an employee matches or exceeds the value the employee creates for the business, the business has an obligation to get rid of the employee or to find a cheaper alternative.

If an employee wants higher pay, they have to create greater wealth for the company.

kbTexan on August 4, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Maybe this was already mentioned upthread but this doesn’t seem to take into consideration employess up the pay scale. If McDonald’s pays burger flippers $9.56 or $14.12 an hour, the people in other positions with more responsiblity making those amounts will want to be paid $15 or $20 an hour. Those making $15 or $20 will want $25 or $30. That will raise the cost of a burger by alot more than $0.20. The same would apply across the board for EVERYTHING if minimum wage was increase to those amounts.

hopeful on August 4, 2013 at 5:04 PM

The scenario is wrong, you don’t just charge more for a hamburger in town X so that the single mother working there can get a larger small paycheck. To some extent you might do that in town X because hamburgers in restaurants cost $9-12, and people there expect to pay more and supplies and cost of production is more.

Here is what we have now: That mom is using that income to document that she is entitled to a gazzillion tax free benefits for herself and her children.

Cooly, coldly, if we stop that, McDonald’s and Walmart have to adjust or move their franchise to a different place just outside of town X or hire employees from outside of town X, but right now, the liberals are right, so the person doesn’t have this illusive living wage…but right now they are not living in the real world anyway the way it is set up. The taxable value of what McDonald’s and Walmart know this lady will get allows her to come in and work, and they don’t charge more for their stuff because it’s a system. Cooly, coldly, that person without subsidized housing has to more to a more affordable location for themselves, and where minimum wage pays for more local things. Now they are not in town X waiting to be hired by Walmart or McDonald’s.

Then Walmart and McDonald’s look for other kinds of employees like students, or they decide in area X they will modify what they offer and the prices in a way that is profitable or not keep a store open. And perhaps burgers will cost more, and we will see if people want McDonald’s there by whether they want to pay, five, six, whatever dollars there. But I would suggest without the minimum wage dragging the salary down, plus government subsidies to some workers and not others, the choices will be different.

Fleuries on August 4, 2013 at 5:12 PM

There will always be some one a little hungrier and work for less. Are all McDonalds employees married with children or single Moms and Dads? Get those wage high enough and I’ll come out of retirement.

Herb on August 4, 2013 at 6:52 PM

you are stealing other people’s work.

sesquipedalian on August 4, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Are you still on food stamps?

Oldnuke on August 4, 2013 at 7:13 PM

you are stealing other people’s work.

sesquipedalian on August 4, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Confirmed. sesqui believes in neither free speech nor fair use. Please re-learn the law.

nobar on August 4, 2013 at 7:40 PM

2. Not even CLOSE. German motivations were pure revenge and mass murder. American motives would be “get outta my community and stay out until you learn to come in the front door instead of sneak in the window.”

— MelonCollie

You are right up to a point. However in the early going there were attempts at just exporting the `Jewish Problem`. — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement Nor is the US all lily white at the time. — http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005267 — The US Dept of State resisted pretty heavily to taking the Jews in. Ultimately they all ended up in Cuba, then a US protectorate.

Dr. Dog on August 4, 2013 at 8:42 PM

people of course will pay “pennies” more to help the poor, and this is no surprise, it IS no impact to their budget. The author’s points are well taken, however.

but try to ELIMINATE pennies from our currency, and all the doo-gooders start freaking out !

williampeck1958 on August 4, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Sure, twenty cents doesn’t sound like much, until you add it on to the burger, the fries, the drink, and multiply it times a family of four who is already struggling to make ends meet.

And by the way, Michael Moore, you stoopid piece of excrement, that super-size fry USED to be called the family-size fry in our household. It made eating out a just a little less expensive, so thanks.

Laura in Maryland on August 4, 2013 at 9:24 PM

There is an easy answer to this situation: put a tip jar where employees can’t see who contributes and let the employees split the proceeds.

thuja on August 4, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Sure, plenty of sympathetic folks will say that they’d be willing to pay 20 cents more for for any of the products.

Those civic minded folk could simply make whatever donation they want to the local food bank and it would likely do more good.

If you want to help people, you help people. You don’t push some inefficient, ineffectual government program to do it for you.

These are the same people who will walk by someone bleeding on the sidewalk mumbling something about how the government should do something…

taznar on August 4, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Exactly, doctor. Flippantly dismissing min-wage workers as all teenagers working for pocket money or complete losers is unnecessary arrogance and a flat-out lie. Don’t think for a Detroit minute that you’re very far away from being there as the Obamaconomy continutes to crumble careers.

Conservatives have a vested interest in not letting liberals “Set the battlefield”, as it was aptly noted elsewhere, and also to not keep carelessly spouting the middle-class versions of “let them eat cake”.

MelonCollie on August 4, 2013 at 3:08 PM

But then sorry-@ss whiners like you let the Dems dictate to you the battle you think you’re going to fight – when in fact you’re just a “useful idiot” fighting their battle for them.

Make yourself worth more and you won’t be unemployed or be at minimum wage for long.

dentarthurdent on August 4, 2013 at 10:46 PM

You’ve got to be fifteen different kinds of stupid to pay $4.56 for a friggin’ Big Mac, anyway.

98ZJUSMC on August 5, 2013 at 1:14 AM

I know this has been pointed out, but have any of these writers actually been to a McDonalds recently? Every time I go they screw up some part of my family’s order. Almost without fail. The guys running the registers have zero people skills and also can’t do basic math. My wife likes to pay over so she can get even change back and most MCD’s employees are like – “what, you paid too much.” The people working here are either looking for a little spending money (i.e. retired) or are darn near the bottom of the barrel skills wise; at least in my state, where the unemployment rate is about 5%. If anything, this should be a huge indictment against our public schools, because these high school graduates can’t perform basic math functions, complete basic tasks, or be personable. That kind of employee isn’t creating much value for the customers or the business, which is why they aren’t worth more than what they are paid.

Also, since dems keep trying to drive the labor cost higher, we’re going to see more and more automation. If a guy is only getting paid $5 and hour it might not be worth it to replace him with an ordering kiosk. BUT if he’s getting paid 7.25 or likely higher, and keeps ticking off customers with his bad attitude and lack of skills, it’s now worth it to replace him with a machine.

I’d jump for joy if MCD’s started to install self serve ordering kiosks. No more having to deal with rude help AND My order gets placed correctly! It’s coming folks, it’s coming… And then the market will shave off all these jobs that the dems keep trying to make cost more.

Free Indeed on August 5, 2013 at 9:01 AM

So the airport fast food joints that charge me twice as much as their counterparts outside of the security gate are surely paying their workers double, right?

weaselyone on August 5, 2013 at 9:50 AM

Fast food workers should just all move to North Dakota where salaries have basically doubled in the last couple of years.

Low wage fast food workers are only low wage if they live in an area that has no jobs.

People who are poor eat cheap food, which keeps downward pressure on prices at fast food joints, who then have to hire workers cheaper to make money. Absent competition for workers who lack any marketable skills take jobs a lower wages and face competition from workers who have other skills but cannot gain employment.

Follow the North Dakota model. Create jobs, especially evil wealth building jobs like oil production. More jobs creates more competition for workers, even low-skilled ones. As more skilled workers seek employment and drive up wages, they open a void for basic services that needs to be filled with lower skilled workers. More competition for low-skilled workers leads to a higher salary. It really isn’t difficult.

weaselyone on August 5, 2013 at 10:06 AM

… robots are far preferable. But robots can’t do everything.

Funny you should mention that. You think McDonald’s wouldn’t start to use more robots/automation if employee salaries were forced higher?

Why do you think so many fast food places “let” customers serve their own drinks? It’s cheaper than having additional employees provide that service. Stores look to cut employees anywhere they can.

hawksruleva on August 5, 2013 at 10:21 AM

A couple of issues about the calculator. My understanding is that it is likely based on the labor cost of McDonalds Corp. not the franchisees. One is 10-15% while the other is 30-35%. Meaning you would have to double or triple the price increase in the calculator to get to a “living” wage. Does anyone on the left understand that minimum wage jobs are generally not career jobs? Does anyone strive to cook french fries their whole life?

Lastly, once you get McDonalds to raise their prices what do you think the government is going to do with every other minimum wage job. Everyone will be required to pay $15/hr. So businesses with margins much lower than McDonalds will have no choice but to fire people or go out of business.

vegasguy on August 5, 2013 at 10:37 AM

One of the many problems of this “analysis” is that fast food restaurants like McDonald’s are selling fewer of the premium priced burgers as consumers move toward burgers on value menus where profit margins are significantly lower. Raising prices on core menu items only accelerates the defection rate toward value menus. Besides, since when does anyone other than the business owner get to decide the price?

eaglephin on August 5, 2013 at 3:00 PM

I don’t know what pipe dream this calculator came from but here are few facts (took me 3 Google searches and 5 minutes of time).

There are 14,000 MacDonald’s restaurants in the US.

There are between 40 and 60 employees at each restaurant. Let’s say there are 40 employees per restaurant (that way each employee gets more money from a price increase on a Big Mac). Let’s assume we’re really generous and are willing to pay 50 cents more for a Big Mac.

There are 10.5 million Big Macs sold per week in the US.

Here’s the math:
10.5 mil X 50 cents / 14000 restaurants = $375 per restaurant per week.

$375 / 40 employees = $9.37 per employee per week.

vegasguy on August 5, 2013 at 5:13 PM

One point which seems to confuse the social justice battalion is this idea they seem to be stuck on that there is some sort of obligation or social contract which states that industry is obligated or intended to create jobs, and good paying ones at that.

Yes. When they start whining about the minimum wage, I respond with two points:

1) Employers are not in business to be employment agencies.

2) By what logic am I forbidden to work for a dime less than the arbitrarily-set minimum wage? Do they really prefer that I not work at all?

Paul_in_NJ on August 6, 2013 at 2:20 PM

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