Armed government agents raid animal shelter to euthanize baby deer

posted at 10:21 am on August 1, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

In Wisconsin, yet another example of the government’s overzealous attempts to punish citizens for good-faith interactions with wildlife, even if they’re saving said wildlife. This time, an armed raid to capture and euthanize a fawn at an animal shelter, which was on its way to a wildlife preserve. Government is just a word for things we do together, Bambi:

It was like a SWAT team,” shelter employee Ray Schulze said.

Two weeks ago, Schulze was working in the barn at the Society of St. Francis on the Kenosha-Illinois border when a swarm of squad cars arrived and officers unloaded with a search warrant.

“(There were) nine DNR agents and four deputy sheriffs, and they were all armed to the teeth,” Schulze said.

The focus of their search was a baby fawn brought there by an Illinois family worried she had been abandoned by her mother.

“When it made a little noise, it sounded like it was laughing,” Schulze said.

Schulze videotaped the fawn they named Giggles during the two weeks she was there. The Department of Natural Resources began investigating after two anonymous calls reporting a baby deer at the no-kill shelter.

The warden drafted an affidavit for the search warrant, complete with aerial photos in which he described getting himself into a position where he was able to see the fawn going in and out of the barn.

Agents told staff they came to seize the deer because Wisconsin law forbids the possession of wildlife.

So, they took the deer and killed it. Mercifully, I guess, the state has chosen not to press charges against this animal shelter for the horrible crime of trying to rehabilitate a deer abandoned by its mother in an animal shelter and transfer it to a wildlife preserve in Illinois, where wild deer are permitted by law. Apparently, if the shelter had had a state-issued permit for keeping a wild deer, everything would have been fine, which suggests keeping one is not inherently dangerous, despite that being the Department of Natural Resources’ justification for killing the fawn.

The representative of the animal shelter gave the government far too much credit:

“I was thinking in my mind they were going to take the deer and take it to a wildlife shelter, and here they come carrying the baby deer over their shoulder. She was in a body bag,” Schulze said. “I said, ‘Why did you do that?’ He said, ‘That’s our policy,’ and I said, ‘That’s one hell of a policy.’”

And a government spokesperson literally likened the raid to a drug bust:

“Could you have made a phone call before showing up, I mean, that’s a lot of resources,” WISN 12 News investigative reporter Colleen Henry asked.

“If a sheriff’s department is going in to do a search warrant on a drug bust, they don’t call them and ask them to voluntarily surrender their marijuana or whatever drug that they have before they show up,” Niemeyer said,

Previously, the government goes after those who try to save woodpeckers, eagles, save their families from bears, and the Kennedys are predictably treated with leniency after trying to save a sea turtle:

No bigs: Kennedy brothers violate Endangered Species Act rescuing sea turtle

Sigh: Indiana man faces possible jail time for nursing bald eagle back to health


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It’s safe to assume the rationale to euthanize the animal was an irrational concern over disease and the health of humans based purely on random, bureaucratic policy.

Yes, this is probably a safe assumption.

blink on August 1, 2013 at 3:43 PM

By all means if you find the concern over animal borne illness and the potential risk to communities irrational, advocate for that.
But save the jack-booted thugs swat team deer assassination squad angle. It’s silly drama.

verbaluce on August 1, 2013 at 3:47 PM

It’s not unusual at all for the folks who are “from the government” to commit worse abuses than the alleged bad actors.

Follow “USDA Bunny Tyranny of the Dollarhite Family” on FaceBook or Google their story – it’ll piss you off up one side and down the other.

2nd Ammendment Mother on August 1, 2013 at 3:50 PM

It WASN”T a swat team raid.
One of the guys said ‘It was like a swat team”.
He was using, like, hyperbole.

verbaluce on August 1, 2013 at 3:31 PM

9 DNR agents, 4 Deputy Sheriffs, all heavily armed and with aerial reconnaissance.
That’s pretty much a SWAT team – whether they were officially titled that way or not.
potato – potahto

dentarthurdent on August 1, 2013 at 3:54 PM

But save the jack-booted thugs swat team deer assassination squad angle. It’s silly drama.

verbaluce on August 1, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Please justify the need for 13 heavily armed officers/agents and aerial reconnaissance of an animal rescue shelter to go after 1 fawn?
Do you (and DNR) perhaps believe the animal shelter was a fron for a F&F armed Mexican drug gang?

dentarthurdent on August 1, 2013 at 3:59 PM

It WASN”T a swat team raid.
One of the guys said ‘It was like a swat team”.
He was using, like, hyperbole.

verbaluce on August 1, 2013 at 3:31 PM

9 DNR agents, 4 Deputy Sheriffs, all heavily armed and with aerial reconnaissance.
That’s pretty much a SWAT team – whether they were officially titled that way or not.
potato – potahto

dentarthurdent on August 1, 2013 at 3:54 PM

hhhaaaaahahahahahahahaaaaa!
(whew!) I enjoyed that.

PWND!!!

avagreen on August 1, 2013 at 4:01 PM

potato – potahto

dentarthurdent on August 1, 2013 at 3:54 PM

Swat – Nawt

verbaluce on August 1, 2013 at 4:04 PM

And as for you Sterling, you might live here, but you don’t hunt … obviously.

M240H on August 1, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Wow, did you figure that out all by yourself?
No I don’t hunt, but I have plenty of brothers and relatives that do. And I have nothing against hunters or hunting. I tried it briefly, but I just never got into it fully, and I won’t, until/unless I have to.

Now that we’ve got that out of the way, what exactly does that have to do with the 9 DNR agents and 4 sheriff deputies going all militaristic on some old ladies and a fawn?

Sterling Holobyte on August 1, 2013 at 4:07 PM

… warden drafted an affidavit for the search warrant, complete with aerial photos …

You mean downloaded Google Maps pictures? Not exactly aerial recon. Heavily armed, or carrying their normal, every day service weapon?

My, little girls sure do get worked up over Bambi. Sounds like the DNR, working with the local agency as they should, foresaw that.

M240H on August 1, 2013 at 4:09 PM

I like how the troll thinks we’re the ones being drama queens when it was the DNR who showed up prepped for drama.

CurtZHP on August 1, 2013 at 4:11 PM

I’m also finding it rather amusing how certain posters (trolls) are bending over backwards to give the bureaucrats in this case the benefit of the doubt. Like showing up armed is what we are to expect from EVERY government agency that comes to our door. It’s like they don’t really want to admit what is right in front of them; namely, that government agencies at all levels are becoming increasingly heavy handed.

“It can’t happen here! If I joke about it, maybe it will go away!”

Whistling past the graveyard.

CurtZHP on August 1, 2013 at 4:14 PM

But save the jack-booted thugs swat team deer assassination squad angle. It’s silly drama.

verbaluce on August 1, 2013 at 3:47 PM

I think that’s sort of the point here: it was silly, unnecessary drama. Probably the only way they could have induced more drama would have been to let little Bambi loose, then take potshots at him as he ran across the open field. (BTW, knowing how well police shoot in most jurisdictions, they would have fired a few hundred rounds and only wounded him, then lost his trail in the woods – only to have him get hit by a bystander’s car sometime that night.)

This could have been handled by a single phone call, and maybe a follow-up with a single DNR officer visit.

BTW, anyone else find the irony in this story based on the other definition of the abbreviation “DNR”? (Do Not Resuscitate)

GWB on August 1, 2013 at 4:19 PM

How could it have been a SWAT team when no dogs died?

PersonFromPorlock on August 1, 2013 at 4:19 PM

I like how the troll thinks we’re the ones being drama queens when it was the DNR who showed up prepped for drama.

CurtZHP on August 1, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Nope. They should up with the knowledge -based on long experience- that people who knowingly violate game laws rarely violate just one game law. So they showed up prepared to conduct an orderly search of a property with enough acreage and varying terrain as to need satellite photos.

And yes, we really did land on the moon, conspiracy-boy.

M240H on August 1, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Tap dance for your betters, troll!

CurtZHP on August 1, 2013 at 4:27 PM

The police, not the military, are going to be the problem.

DFCtomm on August 1, 2013 at 4:31 PM

I’m not familiar with the law/regulation – but safe to assume enforcement is part of that enchilada.

verbaluce on August 1, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Yes I understand law is not your area of expertise. I will presume you agree with the policy since your reply was so muttered.

Second question. Do you agree with the amount of force used in this instance?

Bmore on August 1, 2013 at 4:35 PM

It’s silly drama.

verbaluce on August 1, 2013 at 3:47 PM

You find the amount of force used in this instance to be silly? Speak clearly verbaluce, you are mumbling.

Bmore on August 1, 2013 at 4:37 PM

M240H on August 1, 2013 at 4:20 PM

No that’s not the case at all. Here is the important bit.

If a sheriff’s department is going in to do a search warrant on a drug bust, they don’t call them and ask them to voluntarily surrender their marijuana or whatever drug that they have before they show up,” Niemeyer said,

The fact that the authorities could see no difference between a drug den and a no-kill animal shelter is the problem. It’s a blind adherence to procedure that is disturbing.

DFCtomm on August 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM

They had to kill the fawn in order to save the fawn.

Yeah.. really nice. These guys are top notch. Brave and courageous law enforcement types. They needed to display their raw power as they raided the animal shelter looking for the little deer. Wonder how much they brag about their heroic exploits at the bar later that night.

Pretty scary, really. Sorta like an Army of deranged Barney Fife’s roaming at will.. ready to bust down the bedroom door with m-16s blazing of any little kid helping a sick kitten.

JellyToast on August 1, 2013 at 5:00 PM

While the DNR agent was hidden on the property observing the fawn why didn’t she call the shelter and question them about the possession of the fawn? If they were up to no good they would have ran out at that moment and attempted to dispose, in some way, of the evidence going in and out of the barn.

DFCtomm on August 1, 2013 at 5:01 PM

people who knowingly violate game laws rarely violate just one game law.

M240H on August 1, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Yes, good heavens. They may have also been harboring a squirrel. /sarc

You’re such a drama queen.

blink on August 1, 2013 at 4:47 PM

Ya. I regularly try to save baby birds that I find in my yard. Have even bought babybird formula.

Sue me.

avagreen on August 1, 2013 at 5:13 PM

The warden drafted an affidavit for the search warrant, complete with aerial photos in which he described getting himself into a position where he was able to see the fawn going in and out of the barn.

You mean downloaded Google Maps pictures? Not exactly aerial recon.

M240H on August 1, 2013 at 4:09 PM

He said that he could see the deer. You can’t see anything current on old Google pictures.

Are you seriously this stupid?

blink on August 1, 2013 at 4:44 PM

M240H on August 1, 2013 at 5:24 PM

So they killed a living creature because they would not allow anyone but the privileged to have the creature, and because there was no one worthy to give it to.

No, someone not certified by the authorities is unworthy to feed and care for the innocent little beastie

Yet, the federal government this year gave permissions for re opening horse slaughterhouses in America, and one of the first ones given license is one of the worst animal abusers

Race horses who do not perform typically end up for meat. This is their reward

I wish there was a video of the thugs who took the deer and the video was played on tv every day for a year. They need their faces shown to the public, to the kiddies, so they will understand this nation now runs on arrogance and privilege

entagor on August 1, 2013 at 5:24 PM

It WASN”T a swat team raid.
One of the guys said ‘It was like a swat team”.
He was using, like, hyperbole.

verbaluce on August 1, 2013 at 3:31 PM

9 DNR agents, 4 Deputy Sheriffs, all heavily armed and with aerial reconnaissance.
That’s pretty much a SWAT team – whether they were officially titled that way or not.
potato – potahto

dentarthurdent on August 1, 2013 at 3:54 PM

I am also struck by the effective use of our tax dollars. But perhaps verbaluce and M240H either approve of this use or don’t pay taxes. This was much better than paying down debt or funding pensions./

And of course, what could possibly go wrong once the government takes over US healthcare?

talkingpoints on August 1, 2013 at 5:31 PM

For the people… even the smallest violation of the law will be dealt with in the most severest way.

But for the ruling elites and celebrities… a different thing entirely.

Yeah.. help a little deer, get caught selling raw milk, be a 7 year old and form you cookie into the shape of an “L”, wear the wrong T shirt and you will have the full force of the government come down on you. They will raid your home. arrest you. Shoot your pets. Put you face down on the floor at gun point. Lock you up and seize your bank accounts.

But.. if you are the President? Hey.. go ahead.. sell guns to Mexican drug cartels.. ignore pleas for help from Americans being fired upon in US Embassies, do whatever you want. Break the law. Ignore the law. Make your own law.

I’ll tell you what this is a symptom of too, tho… zero tolerance. We’ve allowed it to flourish in our schools and now it is expanding to the rest of our society. But again.. only for us. Not for them.

JellyToast on August 1, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Oh look, there’s more than one side to the story. Who would’ve thought that?

M240H on August 1, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Rude.

Bmore on August 1, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Oh look, there’s more than one side to the story. Who would’ve thought that?

M240H on August 1, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Read it over, and all I gleaned was that the woman is frank and curt with people, and that the people who hate her so much that they put together a website to attack her…weren’t willing to talk to the press. And an anonymous tip comes in accusing her of violations that she is willing to show are untrue.

Even if she’s Leona Helmsley reborn, it would not justify this appalling misuse of government authority and resources, and doesn’t even come close to justifying the way in which the employees and facility were treated. Government agents, at this point, are nothing more than the biggest, most well-armed gang in America.

MadisonConservative on August 1, 2013 at 6:00 PM

MadisonConservative on August 1, 2013 at 6:00 PM

Guess you missed the part about licenssing issues and the accusation of animal theft by a named and quoted person.

As for your “armed gang” remark, that’s idiotic and based on previous submissions here, beneath you.

M240H on August 1, 2013 at 6:10 PM

“It was necessary to destroy the fawn in order to save it.”

Die Freundliche Volksregierung

Olo_Burrows on August 1, 2013 at 6:21 PM

The kindest thing I can say is that those involved, either actively, or inactively, in this raid, ARE MORONS! – which applies doubly to that spokeshole, Niemeyer.

Gov. Walker has his work cut out for him, for it is a monumental task to undo stupid this strong.

Another Drew on August 1, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Guess you missed the part about licenssing issues

…based on an anonymous tip, and she was willing to show that it was untrue.

and the accusation of animal theft by a named and quoted person.

…by a woman who admitted giving it away to someone else, who apparently let it run loose. It was brought to the shelter. How is that “theft”? The dog ceased to be her property the minute she gave it away.

As for your “armed gang” remark, that’s idiotic and based on previous submissions here, beneath you.

M240H on August 1, 2013 at 6:10 PM

You’re right. I shouldn’t be making blanket statements about entire professions. Like claiming all lawyers are not honorable people.

We’re talking about groups of people who work in agencies subject to political bias and corruption, and are authorized to break in people’s doors to their private homes with minimal justification, shoot their animals, destroy their possessions, damage their homes, and even wound or kill the occupants. Lately, they’ve been breaking into a lot of the wrong homes, violating the rights of citizens driving cars or carrying firearms, subjecting people to sexual assault with little to no legal recourse(and in some cases charging them for even making the accusation), among a number of other criminal acts that, for anyone without a badge, would mean prison time.

And it’s idiotic to call them an armed gang? On top of everything else, they’re backed by unions. Tell me about their reputation for nonviolent, intimidation-free discourse.

MadisonConservative on August 1, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Yet, the federal government this year gave permissions for re opening horse slaughterhouses in America, and one of the first ones given license is one of the worst animal abusers

Race horses who do not perform typically end up for meat. This is their reward
entagor on August 1, 2013 at 5:24 PM

A brother/sister after my own heart.
This is one of my personal campaigns that I’ve joined to help fight. This movement needs more people to help save our horses.

I can post here and do nothing, or I can post here and do something constructive as well.

This is one has closed, but this is an ongoing struggle against the rich ranchers that want horses/burros removed so they can use public land to graze their cattle on.
http://act.wildhorsepreservation.org/p/dia/action3/common/public/?action_KEY=14681

And, this…….is sickening:
http://www.change.org/petitions/fire-usda-wildlife-services-federal-trapper-jamie-olson-for-animal-cruelty?utm_campaign=signature_receipt&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition

avagreen on August 1, 2013 at 6:33 PM

MadisonConservative on August 1, 2013 at 6:33 PM

I’m agreeing with you.

This nation is becoming progressively sicker the longer it goes.

avagreen on August 1, 2013 at 6:35 PM

Open season.
Gov thugs are the same everywhere. Just following orders:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/story/2013/02/06/mb-pet-deer-shot-on-hutterite-colony-manitoba.html

c4 on August 1, 2013 at 6:36 PM

Alternate headline: The New Normal In America.

Sure must be nice to be a Kennedy.

KMC1 on August 1, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Everyone has missed the behind the scene reason.

They needed something to barbeque for the weekend.

ru2sel on August 1, 2013 at 6:48 PM

This nation is becoming progressively sicker the longer it goes.

avagreen on August 1, 2013 at 6:35 PM

If 150 million taxpayers sent in their 1040 with just the words “I will not engage a criminal conspiracy”.

Paul-Cincy on August 1, 2013 at 6:59 PM

If 150 million taxpayers sent in their 1040 with just the words “I will not engage a criminal conspiracy”.

Paul-Cincy on August 1, 2013 at 6:59 PM

That’s about half the population of the country.
We don’t have that many taxpayers do we?

dentarthurdent on August 1, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Hey, idiot.

You can’t use Google photos to see a fawn coming in and out of a barn. So, he couldn’t have used Google for his aerial photos.

You weren’t even smart enough to understand why you were wrong.

blink on August 1, 2013 at 7:22 PM

Hey moron, you can’t read. He isn’t saying the photos show the fawn, he isn’t saying he posiioned himself to take the photos. The AFFADAVIT says he positioned himself to see the fawn. The second comma after “with photos” might’ve helped you … bt it isn’t there and your dumb a** needs more help than that.

M240H on August 1, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Oh look, there’s more than one side to the story. Who would’ve thought that?

M240H on August 1, 2013 at 5:42 PM

.
Based on that article, I’d say Cindy Schultz is one of those “animals are people, too” philosophers.
The kind of person who has more regard for animals than people.
But that’s based on just one article.
I’d would also be interested in knowing why the owner of the “citizens against Candy” website wouldn’t return the station’s calls.

listens2glenn on August 1, 2013 at 8:54 PM

We must kill the deer to save it.

From those who would not kill it…

Psycho cops and demented government.

Welcome to the future present.

Dystopica- Land of the Bipolar Bears.

profitsbeard on August 1, 2013 at 9:21 PM

M240H on August 1, 2013 at 8:09 PM

This article:
http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/armed-agents-kill-harmless-baby-deer-in-raid/
says:

The warden sprang into action, taking aerial photos of the barn to confirm the deer’s presence and then drafting an affidavit for the search warrant.

So if he did use google photos thinking they’re real-time – to “confirm the deer’s presence”, then he’s not too bright.
But the wording of this article (as if we can trust the media these days) seems to indicate he ordered up some aerial photography – which I would take as NOT google.
But unless someone can find better details, we may never know the answer.
Regardless – I still say what they did was overkill.

dentarthurdent on August 1, 2013 at 9:26 PM

profitsbeard on August 1, 2013 at 9:21 PM

My bet is a bunch of Barney Fife’s all looking for an excuse to play SWAT or SEAL for awhile – and to me that’s a scary thought that they could justify and excuse that kind of behavior.
How many people are likely to die when they actually need to go after a real criminal?

dentarthurdent on August 1, 2013 at 9:30 PM

blink on August 1, 2013 at 7:22 PM

M240H is increasingly showing themselves to be some sort of pro-statist here to sneer.

MadisonConservative on August 1, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Pretty soon even liberals are going to hate the government. They make it so easy.

Cindy Munford on August 1, 2013 at 10:54 PM

Pretty soon even liberals are going to hate the government. They make it so easy.

Cindy Munford on August 1, 2013 at 10:54 PM

Probably not. Sadly, only conservatives maintain an intellectually consistent position on issues of this type. If the government is overly intrusive, conservatives will object no matter who is in power.

Liberals, on the other hand, as has been demonstrated in this very thread, suffer from Extreme Context Syndrome. They can and will excuse the most egregious, murderous oppression if the overall controlling political authority is liberal, objecting only if the President is a conservative. Witness verbaluce, who defends this travesty simply because Barack Obama is President (and he might need to do something similar to enforce Obamacare and its death panels).

In fact, however, the most proximate executive is Scott Walker, Republican, against whom more intellectually honest conservatives are lodging the most strenuous complaints. Demonstrating my point.

Oh, liberals won’t say as much, but they give themselves away by offering all sorts of legalistic objections intended to obfuscate the horror, starting with the classic “well, that hasn’t actually been proved“, up to and including the always good for running-out-the-clock “here’s an unsubstantiated accusation against the victim to which I am going to accord more credibility than the much better documented original charge itself”.

HTL on August 1, 2013 at 11:40 PM

Maybe now people will start listening to libertarians about the danger of the militarization of the police. They sure love pulling out all of their Dept of Homeland Security toys, needed or not.

They’ve gone after vets.
They’ve gone after dogs.
They’ve gone after grandmas.
And now a fawn.

Who’s next?

Common Sense on August 2, 2013 at 12:51 AM

Who’s next?

Common Sense on August 2, 2013 at 12:51 AM

Have you googled “pressure cooker” and/or “backpack” lately?
You may be next…..

dentarthurdent on August 2, 2013 at 1:35 AM

Do baby deer taste as good as veal?

LibertyJane on August 2, 2013 at 2:46 AM

JellyToast on August 1, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Exactly – no longer equal citizens, but an aristocracy and the peasants.

M240H on August 1, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Huh. What I got from that was that even the investigative reporter looked around and concluded that the only thing she could get away with saying was “yep, she could be considered rude, and there’s lots of animals here.”

M240H on August 1, 2013 at 6:10 PM

There was not an accusation of animal theft – the shelter wouldn’t let her readopt a pet she gave up, then was abandoned. If that’s your level of reading comprehension, then it’s no wonder we have such difficulty communicating with you.

GWB on August 2, 2013 at 9:33 AM

Sheesh, trolls. Don’t ya think a freakin DNR summer intern armed only with an order of surrender could have pulled this off during his/her lunch hour?

BigAlSouth on August 2, 2013 at 11:34 AM

That raid had NOTHING to do with a baby deer or disease. It had everything to do with MONEY & CONTROL. The kindly folks at the humane society did not ask for permission (PERMIT) and pay for permission (permit fee, aka TAX). The baby deer had to die, and there had to be a huge show of force…for if you allow the lowly people an inch, they will take a mile…and sooner or later the govt will not have the power they live for. So, the kindly folks at the humane society should learn from this terrible incident that next time they find a baby deer, they need to either A) leave it to die in the wild, or B) ask Uncle Sam for permission and pay his duly appointed minions for the privilege of a doing good deed. In the absence of a permit, “Let no good deed go unpunished,” says Uncle Barack “Sam” Obama.

TXJenny on August 2, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Do baby deer taste as good as veal?

LibertyJane on August 2, 2013 at 2:46 AM

Better than veal, but not as tender as spotted owl.

thejackal on August 2, 2013 at 4:20 PM

You mean downloaded Google Maps pictures? Not exactly aerial recon. Heavily armed, or carrying their normal, every day service weapon?

My, little girls sure do get worked up over Bambi. Sounds like the DNR, working with the local agency as they should, foresaw that.

M240H on August 1, 2013 at 4:09 PM

So Google maps is updated hourly or better, so they can… as the story reads, SEE the fawn leave the barn?

Or are you claiming the fawn happened to be there years ago when that image was taken?

IF not they meant something else by “aerial reconnaissance”.

Are you arguing Google maps is up-to-date streaming video 24/7 of everything?
Are you arguing they saw this fawn in a google maps image from several years ago? It’s an immortally young fawn?
Or are you simply provably wrong with this claim?

And what takes 13 law enforcement officers?
Confiscation of a small docile animal?

Do you think confiscating a baby deer from an animal shelter would be more dangerous or less dangerous than a traffic stop of an unknown person in a crime-prone area?

How many officers do we send for a traffic stop in a crime-prone area? Clearly by logic it must be more than 13… right? DO we have a cop bus for all speeding stops so they can have the 20+ officials needed for safe backup in those cases?

Or do you think the 13 officers were required to carry the fawn; which one civilian brought to the animal shelter? How weak are these guys?

Clearly 13 was serious overkill. 1-2 officers could easily handle that; with at most 1-2 DNR agents… 13 was absurd.

You’re clearly wrong on both your statements. Try again.

gekkobear on August 2, 2013 at 7:19 PM

I wish there was a video of the thugs who took the deer and the video was played on tv every day for a year. They need their faces shown to the public, to the kiddies, so they will understand this nation now runs on arrogance and privilege

entagor on August 1, 2013 at 5:24 PM

I stand in awe of your ability for rhetoric. Seriously. Your entire comment was staggering. I cannot believe I am the first to compliment you on it.

thejackal on August 2, 2013 at 8:15 PM

The warden drafted an affidavit for the search warrant, complete with aerial photos in which he described getting himself into a position where he was able to see the fawn going in and out of the barn.

You’re clearly wrong on both your statements. Try again.

gekkobear on August 2, 2013 at 7:19 PM

I don’t read that the aerial photos describing anything, I read that as the affadavit describing the officer as getting into position. As for being “heavily armed”, that’s Schulze’s description. And the number of officers is for the search.

I have worked with the DNR in Wisconsin, my unit has worked with the DNR. Every single person that I met was honorable and absolutely motivated to do the best for game management in this state. If they went with more than what seems necessary, you can bet the people at that shelter gave them reason to.

Or you can keep on getting played like a fiddle. Whatever.

M240H on August 2, 2013 at 8:47 PM

I have worked with the DNR in Wisconsin, my unit has worked with the DNR. Every single person that I met was honorable and absolutely motivated to do the best for game management in this state. If they went with more than what seems necessary, you can bet the people at that shelter gave them reason to.

Those Jooos, they had it coming they provoked it, those Selma Marchers they PROVOKED it…

Yeah 240H you’ve wandered into Jack-Booted Thug Apology Land…the people at a NO KILL SHELTER gave them reason to roll in with 13 personnel, to include 4 Deputy Sheriffs.

The person being played here is YOU, played by your hubris, you just can’t admit you blew it on this…so you are just going to keep twisting.

JFKY on August 2, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Yeah the DNR folkz your unit worked with…so it’s personal right, no one or no organization YOUR unit worked with could be anything less than honourable or spotless….

JFKY on August 2, 2013 at 9:09 PM

They find ways to justify their existence and use a law as an excuse to keep their job. Why they didn’t turn the deer loose to be cared for by other does shows their understanding of nature.

mixplix on August 3, 2013 at 8:06 AM

But save the jack-booted thugs swat team deer assassination squad angle. It’s silly drama.

verbaluce on August 1, 2013 at 3:47 PM

You tiresome pompous f*ck . The handling was overkill and you cannot admit it. One person could have done the job. Hyperbole …not by much. PSMDandS.

CW on August 3, 2013 at 1:57 PM

What a waste of government resources! Whomever ordered the raid should be fired.

EdmundBurke247 on August 3, 2013 at 5:02 PM

As quoted in a Madison paper, a spokeswoman for the Wisconsin DNR said, “We don’t have the ability to pick and choose which laws to enforce.”

I fear for her political future.

Barnestormer on August 3, 2013 at 5:12 PM

We need to start firing people for bad judgment and this was horrible judgment. There are too many idiots in government. If we fired all the idiots, we could cut the headcount in half.

RickCaird on August 3, 2013 at 9:52 PM

“It doesn’t bother me that they killed the baby deer”
listens2glenn on August 1, 2013 at 11:30 AM

I wouldn’t be proud to admit this, you heartless, A-hole.

theaddora on August 3, 2013 at 10:33 PM

“It doesn’t bother me that they killed the baby deer”

listens2glenn on August 1, 2013 at 11:30 AM

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I wouldn’t be proud to admit this, you heartless, A-hole.

theaddora on August 3, 2013 at 10:33 PM

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Thank you for your honesty.

For what it’s worth, it wasn’t spoken with pride, or bravado.
But, nor was it spoken with shame, either. Just with sobriety.
The main issue regarding this story is the unreasonable, overwhelming “physical power/capability” with which this raid was carried out.

Whitetail Deer are hardly an ‘endangered species’.

Animals (any animals, including “baby” animals) are not “people too”.

listens2glenn on August 3, 2013 at 11:07 PM

Animals (any animals, including “baby” animals) are not “people too”.

listens2glenn on August 3, 2013 at 11:07 PM

So according to you, we have a right and a duty to kill them if we take a mind to. Nice. Have you ever thought about going into the veterinary practice?

theaddora on August 4, 2013 at 1:12 AM

This was extremely cruel. The staff at the shelter had located a proper refuge that would have taken the fawn The Very Next Day! But no, our cruel government agents had to kill the poor baby deer instead. I’m disgusted that We the People put up with this kind of overreaction.

sherrimae on August 4, 2013 at 2:21 AM

So according to you, we have a right and a duty to kill them if we take a mind to. Nice. Have you ever thought about going into the veterinary practice?

theaddora on August 4, 2013 at 1:12 AM

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What does “if we take a mind to” even mean ?

I don’t kill for the sake of some “blood-lust”. If I can’t convince you of that, then we’re at an impasse.
Killing animals is either for “control” (rodents, scavengers, predators, etc), or food.
Killing this fawn would, by definition, fall under the “control” category. But it was done purely on the basis of “the letter of the law”, and definitely NOT based on some ‘common sense’.
I don’t believe killing the fawn was the best way for this to have been handled, but I didn’t have any influence in the event.

Animals are made to be used by mankind. I’m quite certain you and I disagree (and this is KEY) on the ‘line of demarcation’ between legitimate use, and ABuse.
There’s nothing I can do about that.

Animals (includes dogs and cats) are not our “fellow brethren” on this earth.
Animals are not “people too.”
Walt Disney was not a Prophet of the Almighty Living God, sent to teach us what our relationships with animals are really supposed to be like.

I reject the premise that the attitude represented by those preceding lines constitutes “hard-heartedness”.

listens2glenn on August 4, 2013 at 1:20 PM

Thanks to M240H posting the complaint website we have a probable motive,
This woman who runs the shelter probably pissed of a relative or associate of the sheriff or some other person on the “right” side of the line, forcing this Asshat sheriff to implement a multi-agency sting operation so he could teach that B!&ch a lesson.
M240H’s pals were just helping the sheriff to protect his turf against the uppities that disrespected him and his posse. Thus causing the necessary show of force (waste of a whole lot of resources, manpower etc.)

Those of you comparing them to NAZI’s are out of line, this is way more like a Mob enforcement.

notalemon on August 5, 2013 at 12:05 AM

notalemon on August 5, 2013 at 12:05 AM

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Excellent observation ….. I hadn’t considered that.

The more I think about it, the more sense it makes. It would explain why no representative for the “Citizens Against Candy” website would return the station’s (FOX6) phone calls.

listens2glenn on August 5, 2013 at 10:41 AM

It’s not a live deer.
It’s a CHOICE.

connertown on August 5, 2013 at 1:02 PM

So Mary is adamant the certain laws should be enforced, say the law about entering the USA, but… our laws about controlling wildlife? no, Mary should be in charge of that on a ..case by case basis, …by the way there is no difference between a Bambi and a baby rat.

Observation on August 5, 2013 at 4:56 PM

Dear Moron,
CWD, like Jacobs-Kreuzfeldt, the hunan equivalent, is transmitted by prions, a type of extremely heat-resistant protein that concentrates in marrow and other bone structures. A person who is knowledgeable about the disease can butcher and consume flesh from an infected animal. The real danger is infection to other game where other animals are concentrated … like in baited areas, or, say, a rescue shelter.

Your condescension would play better if you had the least clue of what you talk about. But hey, the comedy’s good. Keep it up.

M240H on August 1, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Can you give us an update on the situation in your neck of the CWD quarantine zone? How are you folks holding out? Any signs of CWD-infected walkers trying to get in and eat your brains? Keep up the fight! Keep shooting those bambis on-sight! The fate of humanity depends on you! (giggle)

Pale Rider on August 6, 2013 at 8:56 AM

(giggle)
Pale Rider on August 6, 2013 at 8:56 AM

.308 Winchester with Lapua brass, a Federal large rifle primer, about 44.5 grains of IMR 4064 powder, all beneath a Sierra 165 grain boat-tailed spitzer is just the thing for Bambi. Rock that sh** through a Krieger barrel, a Bat Machine action, and a Jewell trigger and you’ll really be cooking with peanut oil.

Get a different screen name, you giggly little girl.

M240H on August 6, 2013 at 11:30 AM

M240H on August 1, 2013 at 3:15 PM

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Can you give us an update on the situation in your neck of the CWD quarantine zone? How are you folks holding out? Any signs of CWD-infected walkers trying to get in and eat your brains? Keep up the fight! Keep shooting those bambis on-sight! The fate of humanity depends on you! (giggle)

Pale Rider on August 6, 2013 at 8:56 AM

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In PA, the greater reason for “extreme measures” is the belief that CWD would spread throughout the deer herd (spreading from deer to deer is easy), and severely decimate the overall herd.

There wasn’t any particular panic over humans cotracting the disease, though it is possible by improper handling or cooking of the meat.

Aw yeah (licking lips) ….. now I gotta get me some venison.

listens2glenn on August 6, 2013 at 12:31 PM

.308 Winchester with Lapua brass, a Federal large rifle primer, about 44.5 grains of IMR 4064 powder, all beneath a Sierra 165 grain boat-tailed spitzer is just the thing for Bambi. Rock that sh** through a Krieger barrel, a Bat Machine action, and a Jewell trigger and you’ll really be cooking with peanut oil.

M240H on August 6, 2013 at 11:30 AM

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That’ll work. : )

Is that a ‘custom rifle’ with Krieger barrel, Bat Machine action, and a Jewell trigger ? … Or does one of the major manufacturers build a particular rifle model this way ?

I’ve been out-of-touch with the firearms industry for nearly thirty years, now.

listens2glenn on August 6, 2013 at 12:39 PM

listens2glenn on August 6, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Full custom. However, the Jewell HVR full adustable trigger is available for the Remington 700 action and its’ clones- of which the Bat Machine receiver I’m referring to is one. Krieger Barrels are produced in Wisconsin, Germantown northwest of Milwaukee, I believe.

M240H on August 6, 2013 at 12:54 PM

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