Ted Cruz: Let’s face it, it’s now or never on stopping ObamaCare

posted at 5:41 pm on July 30, 2013 by Allahpundit

I think he’s right, but that just means we’re never going to do it, no? We had two huge chances last year to kill it in its crib. One was at the Supreme Court. Anthony Kennedy was prepared to pull the trigger; John Roberts wasn’t. The other was in November. We blew it both times.

The last gasp before the exchanges are up and running is to follow Cruz and hold out for defunding, but that feels like an underpants-gnome process at this point. Step one: Pass an amendment withholding funding for O-Care in the continuing resolution. Step two: ???? Step three: Obama caves and agrees to defund. What’s step two here?

“If there is ever a time to defeat Obamacare, it is now,” Cruz said at a briefing at the Heritage Foundation. “Moreover, we have, I believe, the best opportunity we will have, and possibly the last good opportunity we will have to defund Obamacare with the continuing resolution.”

“If we do not pursue this strategy,” he said later, “we are saying we surrender. Obamacare will be a permanent feature of the American economy.”…

“If the subsidies kick in, the prospect or full repeal of Obamacare diminish dramatically,” Cruz said.

Absolutely true. Obama’s secret weapon here is dependency and the sooner dependency begins, the more difficult it is to cancel the program. This is why Team O is dead set, come hell or high water, on getting the exchanges up and running. They’ll delay the employer mandate, they’ll suspend the anti-fraud provisions — they’ll fiddle with the law however they need to in order to make it more salable in the near term so long as the exchanges start on time. Hence Cruz’s desperation in dramatic action soon. But sketch this out for me: Even if Karl Rove’s polls showing that the public overwhelmingly opposes shutting down the government are wrong, under what scenario does Obama cave and decide to agree to defunding (or some lesser compromise anti-ObamaCare measure)? This is his baby. If immigration reform falls apart, O-Care may be the only real domestic legacy he has as president. He knows he has his boot on the GOP’s throat when it comes to repeal thanks to his two big wins last year. Even if the public blamed him for a shutdown rather than the GOP, how likely is it that he’ll break and risk destroying his legacy by signing a bill that defunds the program before the exchanges go into effect? I’d say it’s absolute zero, especially knowing that the media will go face first into the tank for him in blaming any shutdown on the GOP. Even staunch ObamaCare critics like Peter Suderman can’t see the endgame here.

In fact, according to the CRS, a government shutdown wouldn’t even stop certain key parts of O-Care from taking effect. Subsidies under the law are mandatory spending, so they continue; the penalties for not buying insurance would continue too. Instead of demanding defunding, then, why not demand that the individual mandate be suspended instead? That’s better terrain for the GOP since they can push the point (as Ted Cruz already is doing) that it’s unfair to exempt business owners for a year and not individual citizens. O will dig in because he needs the revenue from the mandate, but the mandate is sufficiently unpopular that you might get some Democrats voting against it too. Who knows what happens after that? Click the image to watch.

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Cruz/Palin 2016

“Exploding liberal’s heads everywhere!”

What’s not to like?

Bruno Strozek on July 30, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Pass an amendment withholding funding for O-Care in the continuing resolution. Step two: ???? Step three: Obama caves and agrees to defund. What’s step two here?

Step 2 is to shut the government down if the Senate or President refuses to accept a continuing resolution without Obamacare funding, and to keep it shut down, without blinking, no matter how loud the screams get, until the Democrats give in.

Stoic Patriot on July 30, 2013 at 5:43 PM

BS it can be stopped any damn time. So can any other federal program.

bgibbs1000 on July 30, 2013 at 5:45 PM

One man against the world

faraway on July 30, 2013 at 5:46 PM

Step 2 is to shut the government down if the Senate or President refuses to accept a continuing resolution without Obamacare funding, and to keep it shut down, without blinking, no matter how loud the screams get, until the Democrats give in.

Stoic Patriot on July 30, 2013 at 5:43 PM

You’re ready for the pain. I’m ready for the pain. MiniCave McConnell and Bo(eh)ner aren’t and will never be ready for the pain.

DO IT!

Steve Eggleston on July 30, 2013 at 5:47 PM

BS it can be stopped any damn time. So can any other federal program.

bgibbs1000 on July 30, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Name me one welfare program that has ever been stopped.

Steve Eggleston on July 30, 2013 at 5:47 PM

If I were in the GOP, I would be figgering out how ObamaCare hurts women.

Hit the Left hard on this.

faraway on July 30, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Good idea to stop it now if we can.

The Obama Care idea on the other hand is so bad it will self destruct U.S. and itself given time.

One other way is to follow Mark Levins new book and have the States put up a Constitutional Convention when “We the People” know we have control of the Convention. Do an amendent to the Constitution makeing a law like Obama Care impossible forever if possible.

As of now this vote will show U.S. where the RINO’s stand.

Flush them out.

like that, Never Say Never.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on July 30, 2013 at 5:49 PM

In fact, according to the CRS, a government shutdown wouldn’t even stop certain key parts of O-Care from taking effect. Subsidies under the law are mandatory spending, so they continue; the penalties for not buying insurance would continue too. Instead of demanding defunding, then, why not demand that the individual mandate be suspended instead?

That’s also being demanded. The problem is neither discretionary defunding nor a suspension of the individual mandate will stop PlaceboCare from being as enshrined as SocSecurity and Medicare – only a suspension of the subsidies will do that.

Steve Eggleston on July 30, 2013 at 5:50 PM

It’s too bad we wasted all this time on “immigration reform”. It sure would be nice to rid our country of the monstrosity known as the ACA. Oh well…

Twilight in America. We had a good run.

happytobehere on July 30, 2013 at 5:50 PM

If I were in the GOP, I would be figgering out how ObamaCare hurts women.

Hit the Left hard on this.

faraway on July 30, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Considering the entirety of PlaceboCare was to further secure the Fluke vote, lots of luck with that.

Steve Eggleston on July 30, 2013 at 5:50 PM

Even staunch ObamaCare critics like Peter Suderman can’t see the endgame here.

I think the strategery here is for the Republicans(some of them anyway) to be shown to at least be attempting to do something to delay the implementation of Obamacare. There’s no way they’ll be able to defund it. That’s the problem with the other party controlling the Senate and White House. Your power is limited. But they should at least be able to get some concessions. Perhaps a one-year delay in the individual mandate. And if Obama and Reid refuses to cave on that, the GOP has one helluva talking point on the campaign trail heading toward the midterms.

We lost this fight when John Roberts stabbed us in the back and when 51% of the morons in this country voted to give Obama another term.

Doughboy on July 30, 2013 at 5:51 PM

If I were in the GOP, I would be figgering out how ObamaCare hurts women.
Hit the Left hard on this.
faraway on July 30, 2013 at 5:49 PM

You’re confused. Women don’t care about what actually hurts women. If they did they wouldn’t vote overwhelmingly for democrats.

The GOP will never get the single woman vote. They never have. They can get the married woman vote but less women are getting married. So, yeah, the GOP is screwed.

happytobehere on July 30, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Obama will never cave in. But we must never give up.

22044 on July 30, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Name me one welfare program that has ever been stopped.

Steve Eggleston on July 30, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Still doesn’t mean they can’t be stopped.

bgibbs1000 on July 30, 2013 at 5:53 PM

I think he’s right, but that just means we’re never going to do it, no?

No, he is not right. The most you could do would be to delay it for a year. It would still be the law. For a guy who talks a lot about the Constitution Cruz seems to be a little vague on how the government actually works. Obamacare will still be the law until there is enough Republicans in the Senate to repeal it. In fact, it would probably take a Republican president too. Shutting down the government will not change that. It will only disgust and annoy a lot of people.

Cruz also thinks that shutting down the government in 1996 worked for the Republicans. I am beginning to wonder if he is as smart as I thought he was. He either does not know what he is talking about or he is showboating for attention.

Right Turn

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) isn’t about to let history stand in the way of a self-destructive fight. In support of his brainstorm to shut down the government over Obamacare funding, he declared: “The sort of cocktail chatter wisdom in Washington that, ‘Oh, the [1995-1996] shutdown was a political disaster for Republicans,’ is not borne out by the data.”

Well, if you consider Pickett’s charge a win for General Robert E. Lee and the 2006 elections a moral victory for House Republicans, then you’ll buy what Cruz is selling.

My colleague Glenn Kessler wrote the definitive analysis of the ’90s government shutdown in 2011:

In the end, after weeks of turmoil, the Republicans meekly gave up and eventually cut a deal with Clinton that was not much different than what they could have gotten before the shutdown.

Clinton used the episode as the springboard for his successful reelection campaign, and he humiliated Republicans for it during his 1996 State of the Union speech. He singled out for praise a man seated next to First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton — Social Security Administration worker Richard Dean, who had survived the Oklahoma City bombing and rescued three people from the devastated Murrah Federal Building.

As Republicans stood and applauded Dean’s heroism, Clinton pulled out the knife, recounting how Dean was forced out of his office during the first shutdown and had to work without pay in the second one. “Never, ever, shut the federal government down again,” the president scolded.

After that, Clinton never lagged in the polls again.

When a balanced-budget agreement was finally reached a couple of years later, it was almost entirely on Clinton’s terms. It is remembered as his achievement, not that of the Republicans who had pressed so hard for it.

Cruz was 26 years old in 1996. So there really isn’t any excuse for his cockeyed history. But, as House Republicans are anxious to remind me, Cruz is in the minority and relishes stunts; the House Republicans have to govern — or face losing their majority. Actually, come to think of it, Cruz’s philosophy is a recipe to keep Senate Republicans in a permanent minority. After all, if Cruz-like characters are running things, would you trust the GOP with a Senate majority?

Terrye on July 30, 2013 at 5:54 PM

We had two huge chances last year to kill it in its crib. One was at the Supreme Court. Anthony Kennedy was prepared to pull the trigger; John Roberts wasn’t. The other was in November. We blew it both times.

Um, no, not both times. We blew it in November 2012 when a deeply flawed President was re-elected. Chief Justice John Roberts blew it in the Supreme Court. That really was the best chance to get the whole thing tossed out as unconstitutional. Once the Chief Justice decided to rewrite the law to make it fit some interpretation of the Constitution we lost the best chance, and it probably helped Obama’s reelection somewhat.

Now I’m doubtful the health care system and the private insurance system can be saved. Once we start down the road of a national health service, it’s going to be very hard to stop in favor of free market solutions. Once private insurance markets are wrecked, we won’t have an option to go back. Obama will literally burn the boat after steering it onto the rocks of his vaunted Government health care.

Jill1066 on July 30, 2013 at 5:55 PM

APACHEWHOKNOWS on July 30, 2013 at 5:49 PM

You’re assuming that, once 34 states ask for a Constitutional Convention, Congress will:

- Grant it (it denied a 1929 Wisconsin-led petition that supposedly had far more than the 2/3rds of the states backing it)
- Allow the states any say in said federal Constitutional Convention (there is no instruction on how Congress constitutes the Convention and no post-Articles of Confederation precedent).
- Allow the legislatures to have any say on the amendments that come out of the Convention (they’ll say that state conventions, not legislatures, will ratify the amendments, and most-to-all states have no mechanism to form said conventions).

Steve Eggleston on July 30, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Still doesn’t mean they can’t be stopped.

bgibbs1000 on July 30, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Until one is stopped, the operative scenario is none of them will be. We had a chance with SocSecurity in 1982-1983, and instead we got tax hikes. We had another chance with food stamps in 1995, and all that was done was a work-search requirement (which was administratively stripped by Teh SCOAMT) was added.

Steve Eggleston on July 30, 2013 at 5:57 PM

So who is going to defund it?
Boehner…?

AhHAhahAHhahHAhaHAHhaHAHahHHAhahA….

NeoKong on July 30, 2013 at 6:00 PM

Sorry, folks, but the Obamacare fight ended last year and we lost.

There is no way to stop the essential elements of Obamacare before they kick in January 1st. And Obama knows it. Once those elements kick in, it becomes another welfare program that the people will depend on and no politician dare touch.

It’s time to accept our defeat and move on. Our only real hope at this point is Levin’s approach of amending the Constitution via a states-ordered amendment convention. And that’s a slim chance at best.

Shump on July 30, 2013 at 6:00 PM

IMO the next and immediate front in the war on Obamacare is getting the delay of the employer mandate declared illegal. He has no legal authority to ignore that part of the law that bears his name.

Happy Nomad on July 30, 2013 at 6:01 PM

Cruz also thinks that shutting down the government in 1996 worked for the Republicans. I am beginning to wonder if he is as smart as I thought he was. He either does not know what he is talking about or he is showboating for attention.

It was working back then. Polls started swinging towards the gop during the shutdown and that’s when Bob Dole went to the senate floor and caved. I remember asking and friends why would you cave when you are starting to win?

bgibbs1000 on July 30, 2013 at 6:01 PM

Um, no, not both times. We blew it in November 2012 when a deeply flawed President was re-elected. Chief Justice John Roberts blew it in the Supreme Court. That really was the best chance to get the whole thing tossed out as unconstitutional. Once the Chief Justice decided to rewrite the law to make it fit some interpretation of the Constitution we lost the best chance, and it probably helped Obama’s reelection somewhat.

Jill1066 on July 30, 2013 at 5:55 PM

We blew it in March 2008 when the godfather of PlaceboCare was made the 2012 nominee.

Steve Eggleston on July 30, 2013 at 6:01 PM

Obama will never cave in. But we must never give up.
22044 on July 30, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Give up what? Obamacare will bankrupt the nation far before we repeal this or any entitlement.

happytobehere on July 30, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Why do the Beltway pundits and GOP always assume, as does this article, that O’Bama will never cave on The Affordable Care Act regardless of a shutdown.

Starlink on July 30, 2013 at 6:01 PM

Because he has never really caved in the past.

Steve Eggleston on July 30, 2013 at 6:03 PM

I’ve thought that maybe if implementation went badly, premiums went up, and then there was a government shutdown in 2014, or 2015, that brought the mother effer to its knees, than opinion could build against government run healthcare.

El_Terrible on July 30, 2013 at 6:03 PM

He has no legal authority to ignore that part of the law that bears his name.
Happy Nomad on July 30, 2013 at 6:01 PM

So?

happytobehere on July 30, 2013 at 6:04 PM

He knows he has his boot on the GOP’s throat when it comes to repeal thanks to his two big wins last year.

barry has his boot on the neck of the GOP for a lot of reasons. One big one is the agitprop media. Let me point only to the Zimmerman issue. The mendacity of the ‘press’ is breathtaking.

simply, you can not have a functioning two party state when the broadcast media is willing to lie, cheat and steal for the left wing. Not only the lies, but also the non-coverage of obama initiatives which go below the radar. Combine that with the Howard Zinn / bill ayers education system..and, well, put a fork in it..the country is pretty much done.

obamacare will survive..until it collapse. The only choice the Rs have is to develop a set of long term core principles…like Y. Levin wrote about at NRO the other day. (and, no that is not intended to be sarcastic)

Someone needs to be thinking out ten years or so…and try to capture another vision of the country. It is not easy…esp. when the Big Donors want you to sign away your party for the sake of next year’s profit margin.

r keller on July 30, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Obamacare was passed in bad faith and is being implemented in bad faith. The only way to combat it is to execute a strategy that will help obamacare collapse. Democrats own it already and the public will give them the lions share of blame once they start feeling the pain. That means, work behind the scenes to create a muscular IPAB that functions as a death panel, while decrying it as being a death panel. That means forcing everyone to buy insurance behind the scenes while arguing that its wrong for them to have to do so. The individual manadate should not be postponed — neither should the employer mandate. Behind the scenes we should make sure that the full arm of government crashes down on individuals and businesses, while publically we blame Obamacare. Full speed ahead with implementation. Do not attempt to stop any of the pain — instead actively cause more of it behind the scenes while always decrying how awful it was that the Democrats passed Obamacare. Make no mistake, the Democrats own Obamacare through and through and the public will give them the blame for its failures. It’s time we started opposing Obamacare in bad faith.

Revenant on July 30, 2013 at 6:07 PM

It’s time to accept our defeat and move on. Our only real hope at this point is Levin’s approach of amending the Constitution via a states-ordered amendment convention. And that’s a slim chance at best.

Shump on July 30, 2013 at 6:00 PM

Levin isn’t declaring defeat at this point, why the hell are you?

Granted the chances of the GOP doing the right thing to make it happen is slim since Boehner is more concerned about not losing his job but it isn’t time to roll over and play dead.

BTW, I’m with Levin. Ready to throw my support to an alternative party to the corrupt GOP. The caveat being that not all GOP politicians should be rejected simply because of party affiliation.
For example, Justin Amash was punished by Boehner with lack of a committee chairmanship. He almost defunded NSA spying were it not for Boehner and Pelosi conspiring.

Happy Nomad on July 30, 2013 at 6:09 PM

Why shut it down…?

… This will destroy the Country and it has Obowma’s and the Democrat’s name all over it.

Good Times…!

*clinky!*

:)

Seven Percent Solution on July 30, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Our current system sucks. It’s being run by greasy politicians & lying community organizers. Spending is out of control, while the ex middle class are learning to live within the limitations of the welfare check. These scumbags have been in Congress 30-40 years & have nothing to show what they’ve done to make our lives better. The only thing we look forward to are more tax increases & when that’s maxed, they sneak in fees & other charges. They demonize alcohol. Cigarettes, & sweets but won’t outlaw it. Wonder why? Its time for for a change, any change..

RdLake on July 30, 2013 at 6:10 PM

r keller on July 30, 2013 at 6:07 PM

London has a pretty conservative media. Doesn’t make any difference. We complain about the media way too much in America. The electorate is the problem.

happytobehere on July 30, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Traitorous gop will fight!!!!

HIM!!!

PappyD61 on July 30, 2013 at 6:11 PM

I can’t imagine Obamacare ever being repealed. Except for a handful, if that, the Dems will never go for it. The Pubs are too fractured as a party to make it happen, with people like McCain sitting in the Senate.

I hate conceding defeat, but that’s the situation we’re in. My only consolation is that liberals will hurt as bad as everyone else. Not even they can escape this disaster like they have escaped the results of all their own past policies.

Let them cry in their $10 lattes when it all kicks in. Soon enough, they won’t be able to afford their coffee shop visits quite as often.

Liam on July 30, 2013 at 6:11 PM

barry has his boot on the neck of the GOP for a lot of reasons.

r keller on July 30, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Bullshite. The only real reason why this corrupt bastard is bulletproof is that he chooses to highlight the black side of his bi-racial heritage. Nobody wants to do harm to the first “black” President.

That being said, when was the last time you heard about a school being named in honor of the rat-eared coward?

Happy Nomad on July 30, 2013 at 6:12 PM

Introduce legislation to rename it “Zimmermancare.” He’ll defund it in a heartbeat.

CurtZHP on July 30, 2013 at 6:13 PM

Still doesn’t mean they can’t be stopped.

bgibbs1000 on July 30, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Everything ends, even America.

DFCtomm on July 30, 2013 at 6:16 PM

I’m with Ted.

DanMan on July 30, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Its time for for a change, any change..
RdLake on July 30, 2013 at 6:10 PM

And some hope!

Seriously, Washington is just a distilled version of our sick, ignorant electorate. The change you’re after can’t happen in Washington until there are profound changes in society. Probably starting with people getting married and THEN having children, and then staying married and raising their children.

When a politician says “working families” they mean people that don’t work and don’t really have an actual family. Just a group of older adults that occasionally scream at children while accepting countless entitlements.

Yeah, we’re screwed.

happytobehere on July 30, 2013 at 6:18 PM

If Obama can ignore the law with Obamacare then why can’t the right do the same?

sharrukin on July 30, 2013 at 6:18 PM

if we give up……the day will come when your private assets will be seized to pay for the healthcare freebies of tens of millions of Mexican illegals.

THAT is the dagger aimed at the heart of middle income Americans and passing along generational wealth (a direct threat to the Ruling class).

They think long term……..so should we……FIGHT THEM!!

PappyD61 on July 30, 2013 at 6:20 PM

In the really strong field that is our capital, John Roberts is one of the 5 people I hate most. He should be shunned by conservatives and conservative institutions. Does he still get Federalist Society invitations?

Valkyriepundit on July 30, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Step 2 is to shut the government down if the Senate or President refuses to accept a continuing resolution without Obamacare funding, and to keep it shut down, without blinking, no matter how loud the screams get, until the Democrats give in.

Stoic Patriot on July 30, 2013 at 5:43 PM

And we all must agree no to cooperate with the government. Complete civil disobedience.

dogsoldier on July 30, 2013 at 6:24 PM

If Obama can ignore the law with Obamacare then why can’t the right do the same?

sharrukin on July 30, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Will it be an improvement when the chief executives choose which laws to enforce? I think that’s clearly from the frying pan and into the fire but, that behavior will become illegal again once a Republican is in office.

DFCtomm on July 30, 2013 at 6:24 PM

London has a pretty conservative media. Doesn’t make any difference. We complain about the media way too much in America. The electorate is the problem.

happytobehere on July 30, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Groseclose would disagree with you wrt the left-wing world view of the US press. Zimmerman is exhibit A (only because it is the most recent example of egregious dis-information)

Also, low information voters are real…and yes they vote. Polling picks up the impact of the agitprop press…if you are only exposed to one set of information, you will tend to be influenced by it.

Not everyone is a junkie…most have little interest in the truth. Leftists know this…therefore CAGW….etc. etc. etc.

r keller on July 30, 2013 at 6:26 PM

Will it be an improvement when the chief executives choose which laws to enforce? I think that’s clearly from the frying pan and into the fire but, that behavior will become illegal again once a Republican is in office.

DFCtomm on July 30, 2013 at 6:24 PM

No, it won’t be an improvement, just the reality of what we are facing.

Like Obamacare, you can’t just wish it away, or hope that your sterling example of chivalry will sway the other side, because it won’t.

sharrukin on July 30, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Hot Air Joins The Rove RINOS On Repealing Obamacare

I am starting to wonder if Allahpundit at Hot Air is himself being funded by Karl The Architect Of Defeat Rove. He has become almost as irritating.

In his latest stroke of Karlwinian brilliance, he has joined forces with John “And Build That Darn Fence” McCain, Lindsey Graham and Orrin Hatch to kinda sorta give the impression that he don’t like Obamacare while he poo-poos any efforts to stop it….

conservativeBC on July 30, 2013 at 6:41 PM

I’m afraid obamacare ain’t going anywhere.It’s sadly here to stay.

sandee on July 30, 2013 at 6:46 PM

If the big hesitation is that in so doing the GOP might be blamed for the shutdown, I say, so what? We lost in ’08, lost again in ’12, and once Amnesty and the ACA really kick in, we’re off the stage anyway. All the weak-kneed Boehners and McConnells and McCains of the world are trying to do is to provide themselves with a softer landing. I say, let Cruz go hammer and tongs with these people, and if we go down, we’ve at least gone down swinging.

And who knows? Obamacare already reeks like week-old fish, and the more damaging parts of it have yet to even kick in. Even the bought and paid for unions are grumbling, and the public at large has never embraced it. Let Cruz & Co., open a public dialogue about the mandate, the GAO report, ETC., and see what happens.

CaptFlood on July 30, 2013 at 6:47 PM

If it comes right down to it, the GOP had better damn well repeal Obamacare no matter how many people are on the exchanges. Eff ‘em. We can’t afford all these parasites sucking on the public teat anymore.

However, I like AP’s suggestion of withholding the CR and demanding a delay on the individual mandate.

DRayRaven on July 30, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Squishes are eternal azzholes.

Cruz/West — 2016

Schadenfreude on July 30, 2013 at 6:51 PM

APACHEWHOKNOWS on July 30, 2013 at 5:49 PM

You’re assuming that, once 34 states ask for a Constitutional Convention, Congress will:

- Grant it (it denied a 1929 Wisconsin-led petition that supposedly had far more than the 2/3rds of the states backing it)
- Allow the states any say in said federal Constitutional Convention (there is no instruction on how Congress constitutes the Convention and no post-Articles of Confederation precedent).
- Allow the legislatures to have any say on the amendments that come out of the Convention (they’ll say that state conventions, not legislatures, will ratify the amendments, and most-to-all states have no mechanism to form said conventions).

Steve Eggleston on July 30, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Congress doesn’t have the power to block a convention to propose amendments if the legislatures of 2/3 of the states require it.

Article. V.

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

You’ll notice, this is not a Constitutional Convention. It’s merely another way of proposing amendments to the Constitution. Congress does get to select the method of ratification, either by the legislatures of 3/4 of the states, or by conventions in 3/4 of states.

applebutter on July 30, 2013 at 7:08 PM

The House has to stop this, it is like a Bond movie the bomb is ticking and if it blows it takes the entire country. This is no time for appeasers, kill it or be killed.

tim c on July 30, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Shump on July 30, 2013 at 6:00 PM

May I never be so unfortunate as to be on any team with you.

conservativeBC on July 30, 2013 at 6:41 PM

I’ve made similar observations and it disgusts me.

It’s been too long since the gop actually stood for something and pursued it. Give the people of America a reason to vote for you. Kill obamacare now and any way you can.

voiceofreason on July 30, 2013 at 7:12 PM

r keller on July 30, 2013 at 6:26 PM

I’m not really following what you’re saying. Regardless, the electorate is still the problem, whether they’re influenced by the press or not. My point is that in London there is a more conservative press than we have here in the US. And yet the London electorate is even more liberal than here.

I’m sure the media plays a role, but if its role is as large as you think then the electorate is STILL the problem for being dupes.

happytobehere on July 30, 2013 at 7:13 PM

How about reminding those congress critters that they have to participate in the exchanges too; them and their staff. If they get a pass from exemption from the law, there will be hell to pay. Come on, Congress……I dare you to take an exemption

skeeterbite on July 30, 2013 at 7:13 PM

GOP- we must surrender or our political opponents won’t like us!

Surrender!!!!!!!!!!!!

50 million future Democrat voters can’t be wrong.

profitsbeard on July 30, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Congress doesn’t have the power to block a convention to propose amendments if the legislatures of 2/3 of the states require it….

You’ll notice, this is not a Constitutional Convention. It’s merely another way of proposing amendments to the Constitution. Congress does get to select the method of ratification, either by the legislatures of 3/4 of the states, or by conventions in 3/4 of states.

applebutter on July 30, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Which, of course, explains why no convention was called in 1929.

What became the Constitutional Convention was supposed to be merely a way to propose amendments to the Articles of Confederation. Trust me – at a minimum, major elements of the Constitution (and especially the 2nd Amendment) won’t survive a new convention.

Steve Eggleston on July 30, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Go to dontfundit.com and sign the petition! Or http://www.dontfundobamacare.com

SIGN UP!!!

John the Libertarian on July 30, 2013 at 7:44 PM

I think AP is right, the stronger argument is to fight to delay the individual mandate. If Dems refuse they are choosing big business over middle class business owners. It’s the argument liberals like best…fairness. It’s not fair to delay one and not the other. It doesn’t seem constitutional either.

hopeful on July 30, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Cruz also thinks that shutting down the government in 1996 worked for the Republicans. I am beginning to wonder if he is as smart as I thought he was.

Oh look, a democrat disagreeing with a Conservative. What a shocker, lol.

BTW, he’s smarter than you are, we all know that.

xblade on July 30, 2013 at 9:53 PM

We lost working class whites when we nominated Romney for President. If we acquiesce to the democrats and fund Obamacare, we’ll lose them again. Why not defund? What if Republicans do get blamed? How can that possibly be worse than having the RINO Republican big money donors control who we nominate and what bills the House passes, such as amnesty, which will just cause more of our base to stay home?

NbyNW on July 30, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Cruz/Palin 2016

“Exploding liberal’s heads everywhere!”

What’s not to like?

Bruno Strozek on July 30, 2013 at 5:42 PM

..very good Bishop !
…RINO heads endangered too!

KOOLAID2 on July 30, 2013 at 10:32 PM

We have to win one battle at a time. I believe if Amnesty is lost, Obamacare won’t matter.

“If the battle can’t be won, don’t fight it.” Sun Tzu.

Right now Amnesty is winnable, Obamacare is not-for the simple reason that the first is NOT law and the second is.. But MAYBE if the Amnesty battle is won, there will be enough leverage and momentum (for one thing it will mean that some RINOS found courage to fight) to find a way to defeat Obamacare (unknown to us now).

MaiDee on July 31, 2013 at 12:26 AM

MaiDee on July 31, 2013 at 12:26 AM

the only weapon congress has left to disable this rogue president is to defund Obamacare and try to prevent or at least delay the entitlement from being instituted. as Ted Cruz said tonight you will lose every battle if you capitulate at its inception.
this one is worth the fight. let the people, the majority of whom are against Obamacare know you stand with them.

gracie on July 31, 2013 at 1:30 AM

OK, if we shut down the government that means we must pull ALL our soldiers from bases for which we can no longer legally pay rent. It means the federal government can no longer pay anybody to hassle civilians. The TSA is put on ice.

There is a downside, speaking of ice, ICE will be frozen as well. Ah well. Let civilians and states do the job.

Let it happen. Let it run six months or so. People might discover they like the situation and demand that it never be fired back up.

{^_^}

herself on July 31, 2013 at 5:44 AM

Cruz/Palin 2016

“Exploding liberal’s heads everywhere!”

What’s not to like?

You guys are awesome. I’d love to hear me the state(s) you pick-up you that McCain or Romney didn’t win in the last 2 ass-kickings.

I will enjoy a 44 state electoral victory by the Dems.

Utah
Oklahoma
Mississippi
Alabama
Kansas
South Carolina (maybe)

You’d probably even lose Alaska.

Go for it!

inklake on July 31, 2013 at 8:39 AM

Boy, I hope Cruz runs in ’16. I also hope that he doesn’t do a Rubio on us between now and then.

cajunpatriot on July 31, 2013 at 8:47 AM

gracie Believe me i feel your pain. There is NOBODY who wants to stop Obamacare more than I do. But, for starters, the numbers just aren’t there-not only for repeal but not even for defunding.. According to http://www.dontfundobamacare.com (as of last night) of 46 Republican Senators (not enough) only 13 have pledged to support defunding, 9 have pledged NOT to support defunding and 24 are sitting on the fence. This means support within the Republican Party is lacking and we definitely cannot count on any Democrat.

Also, just my feeling, If we can’t even win a battle (Amnesty) which we are ahead, how can we win one where we are far behind? If RINOS torpedo us (in the House) on Amnesty, they will also destroy us on Obamacare. And, also, EVEN RINO help on Obamacare is not enough.

It is also my feeling that Amnesty is a nation breaker. If we don’t win there, we are essentially finished even before Obamacare does its dirty work.Also imagine–as many a 60 million new Americans, essentially penniless, receiving Obamacare. Thus Amnesty will lead to Obamacare on steroids.

MaiDee on July 31, 2013 at 10:03 AM

BEWARE, Cruz is just a better disguised Rubio. Cruz is all about getting more Illegal and Legal immigrants into our country. He’s another GOP Traitor. See: http://americandictators.blogspot.com/2013/07/ted-cruz-declares-war-on-america.html?showComment=1375240032168

el Vaquero on July 31, 2013 at 10:24 AM

MaiDee on July 31, 2013 at 10:03 AM

thank you for your thoughtfulness.

I still believe in the fight. It may be all we have left to turn the tide and get some reprieve from Obamacare. You know like that medal of honor winner from WWII who just kept firing on the Germans coming at his men and him until he ran out of bullets and ran like he!!, too. Ending up killing about 100 Germans they estimate and saving many of his own comrads providing cover for them as they fled. true story. it’s that kind of fight to me.

gracie on July 31, 2013 at 10:54 AM

P.S. Did anyone see McCain just say that he wouldn’t know whom he would support between Hillary and Rand Paul if it came to an election? R U kidiing me? Do you see what kind of numbnuts McCain is now and what we conservatives are up against? Unstinkinbelievable.

gracie on July 31, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Cruz/Palin 2016

“Exploding liberal’s heads everywhere!”

What’s not to like?

Bruno Strozek on July 30, 2013 at 5:42 PM

The Democrat landslide.

Arnold Yabenson on July 31, 2013 at 11:37 AM

P.S. Did anyone see McCain just say that he wouldn’t know whom he would support between Hillary and Rand Paul if it came to an election? R U kidiing me? Do you see what kind of numbnuts McCain is now and what we conservatives are up against? Unstinkinbelievable.

gracie on July 31, 2013 at 10:57 AM

McCain is just having a hissy-fit in his feud with Paul. I wouldn’t think he would really vote for Hillary over Paul, but with him you can’t tell.
I can’t believe I voted for the idiot in 2008. Though I told myself I was really just voting for Palin. Just as I was really just voting for Ryan in 2012.
But if the GOP tries to win us over by running a conservative as running mate with their squishy RINO nominee for President in the next election, they will not get my vote this time.

Yes, I believe the time is right for a third-party candidate.

Sterling Holobyte on July 31, 2013 at 12:48 PM