Don Lemon and Bill O’Reilly engage in conversation on race, Sharpton hardest hit

posted at 9:42 pm on July 30, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

Rule of thumb: He who is first to call for a “national conversation” is least interested in having a real conversation. When it comes to the “national conversation on race,” The Rev. Al Sharpton exemplifies the rule. First to jump to the mic in the wake of any racial news narrative—true, false, or downright defamatory—and quickest to use the mic to denounce anyone who dares say anything that differs from his line.

So, when Bill O’Reilly used a segment of his show to opine on problems facing the black community and accused Sharpton of exacerbating them, it was entirely predictable Sharpton would come back accusing O’Reilly of engaging in “Willie Horton stuff.” To be fair, Sharpton’s engagement with O’Reilly’s ideas was an intellectual step up from MSNBC’s Chris Hayes’, who just declared all of it “super-racist.”

But no one realistically thought Bill and Al were going to have the leading calm discussion of the country’s racial climate, since they both started out on a pretty accusatory foot. The most productive conversations usually happen, as the president noted, without large political rallies and TV crowds watching. But every now and then, you get a surprise. CNN’s Don Lemon, who cannot be accused of the “sudden concern” problem Sharpton hangs on O’Reilly, did his own monologue declaring, “O’Reilly’s got a point.”

Lemon doesn’t have to agree with every word O’Reilly said or the way he said it, but he recognizes that a bit of grace is necessary if you sincerely want to allow different voices, which is part of how conversations work. It was all the more surprising coming from Lemon just days after he seemed to disqualify guest Ben Ferguson from a conversation on race due to his “white privilege.”

Lemon was not offered any grace for the sin of engaging with ideas that diverged from liberal conventional wisdom. He’s been described as a “turncoat mofo,” an “angry white man who happens to be black,” and a “slave”— all language more mean-spirited and racially offensive than any O’Reilly used in his original Talking Points.

It’s ironic that the conversation-mongers who attacked Lemon seem incapable of recognizing that a decent discussion comes from unexpected interactions like Lemon’s and O’Reilly’s. They don’t have to agree on politics or on every issue. All they have to do is not use the moment to declare each other irredeemable racists or traitorous Uncle Toms.

If you blind yourself to the possibility of these moments, as Sharpton and others have done, and malign those who can have them you prevent the progress you claim to seek.

Sharpton himself actively ignores possible allies on issues the black community cares about if they come from the other side. On his show this week, while yelling at O’Reilly, he accused the entire “right wing” of ignoring issues of racial disparity in the justice system, particularly in the drug war. While making this argument, he tidily edited me out of his clips and references even though I argued with O’Reilly about mandatory minimum drug sentencing during the very segment he was ranting about. I have addressed the issue of racial disparity in marijuana arrests and lack of accountability for law enforcement in no fewer than three conversations on “The O’Reilly Factor” about the Trayvon Martin case, noting that while I thought the verdict was correct, I understand the source of emotions on this issue within the black community. We had a shouting match on the subject of mandatory minimum sentencing long before the Martin case, so I’m no Johnny Come Lately to the issue, but Sharpton airbrushes my views away because they don’t help his narrative.

But these kind of alliances are where progress is made, if Sharpton cared to look. (Update: A reader reminds me of the unlikely pairing of Newt Gingrich and Sharpton on education in 2009, so he at times has recognized the value of such an alliance. He backs charter schools but not vouchers. Another example is his trip to Sylvia’s in Harlem with Bill O’Reilly, which was a great chance at honest cultural exchange. But this week, he took O’Reilly’s comments about that lunch out of context to destroy anything gained on that outing. In the wake of Zimmerman, the desire for a conservative caricature has overridden any desire for conversation.)

The Fairness in Cocaine Sentencing Act, passed in 2009, was a collaboration of Democratic Sens. Dick Durbin and Pat Leahy and Alabama Republican Sen. Jeff Sessions. It closed the gap in federal sentencing between cocaine powder and crack, which had the effect of disproportionately earning black offenders much longer sentences than white offenders.

The fight against drug war mandatory minimums is a collaboration of Republican Sen. Rand Paul and Leahy.

The D.C. Opportunity Scholarship, which gives 1,700 low-income black and Hispanic students in Washington, D.C. the chance at a better education, was saved in the face of opposition from unions, Senate Democrats and the White House by an unlikely team of Republican Senators, Sen. Joe Lieberman, and Sen. Dianne Feinstein.

My friend Kirsten Powers wrote this week on her skepticism about some of the concern conservatives have evinced in the wake of the Zimmerman verdict about black-on-black crime in the country’s urban centers, pegging it as political posturing instead of genuine concern.

Conservatives also seem to have taken the Trayvon Martin case as an opportunity to try to position themselves as the only ones who care about “black on black” violence—their new obsession—and accuse Obama of disregarding it.

The criticism is not entirely unfair. Any situation as politicized as the Zimmerman trial will bring out political attacks disguised as concern on both sides, and it’s true that prominent conservatives don’t speak terribly often about concerns in the black community. Some of that is disinterest or misunderstanding, and some of it is that conservatives are petrified of the kind of backlash O’Reilly faced.

But the other side of the coin is, Sharpton and his allies must recognize when conservatives do work on issues of importance to the black community. If they ignore every good-faith effort to address mandatory minimums and deplorable education, then it’s easy to make every comment in the wake of the Zimmerman verdict look politically opportunistic.

Which brings me back to O’Reilly’s original point about Sharpton and the conversation-mongers. It’s almost as if Sharpton isn’t looking for allies to solve problems because the problems are much more profitable than solutions.

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Forget it. A rational and honest conversation on race? In this country? You must be mad.

Cleombrotus on July 30, 2013 at 9:47 PM

National conversation on race: Sharpton, Holder, Obama, and the rest of the Left screaming in our faces with megaphones. Everyone else has to shut up and listen.

Liam on July 30, 2013 at 9:48 PM

It’s almost as if Sharpton isn’t looking for allies to solve problems because the problems are much more profitable.

You’re far too young to be so cynical. By golly, I think you were being ironic.

Drained Brain on July 30, 2013 at 9:48 PM

Can we just do away with this having to “understand what it means to be black?” If you`re not black you never will know so let`s just forget about it. It`s a roadblock that doesn`t advance anything.

ThePrez on July 30, 2013 at 9:50 PM

It’s almost as if Sharpton isn’t looking for allies to solve problems because the problems are much more profitable.

- MKH

Al Sharpton: A man that Booker T Washington nailed in 1911 when he said:

‘There is (a) class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs and the hardships of the N3gro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the N3gro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. … There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public.’

Resist We Much on July 30, 2013 at 9:51 PM

Rule of thumb: He who is first to call for a “national conversation” is least interested in having a real conversation. When it comes to the “national conversation on race,” The Rev. Al Sharpton exemplifies the rule. First to jump to the mic in the wake of any racial news narrative—true, false, or downright defamatory—and quickest to use the mic to denounce anyone who dares say anything that differs from his line.

…I’ve often wondered why Sharpton hasn’t been jailed for “etnnic intimidation” ?

KOOLAID2 on July 30, 2013 at 9:52 PM

Black on Black is a DEFLECTION!!

Who Knew!
(sarc)

canopfor on July 30, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Any “news” story, interview, or other event that engages in any way the disgraceful criminal Al Sharpton has zero (i.e. Obama) credibility.

Period …

ShainS on July 30, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Money quote right at the end MKH

cmsinaz on July 30, 2013 at 9:53 PM

It’s almost as if Sharpton isn’t looking for allies to solve problems because the problems are much more profitable than solutions.

Nailed it. Otherwise Sharpton and Shakedown Jackson wouldn’t be wearing those 3-piece Savile Row suits.

Both SHOULD be wearing prison denims.

GarandFan on July 30, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Hmmm. Should have clicked on the video first. Not bad. Not bad.

Cleombrotus on July 30, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Good for Lemon.

thebrokenrattle on July 30, 2013 at 9:58 PM

There should never be any discussion about race without hard data serving as the starting point – and tons of this data exists. When you let people blather on about race without having to cite any actual data – whether test scores, crime statistics, decently run nations/states/municipalities/etc. – then there is nothing worth talking about but feelings and how someone is getting his feelings hurt because he isn’t what he wants to be. Enough of this “empathetic”, “wise Latina” sort of BS. Data. Scores. History and historical achievements. All must form the foundation for any serious discussion of race/ethnicity/nationality. People who want to dribble feelings all over the stage have no business being taken seriously, and they certainly should NOT be.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 30, 2013 at 9:58 PM

That was good.

Like how they threw in Power’s “Sticking it to the Black Community’ at the end…

BigWyo on July 30, 2013 at 10:01 PM

We got to get over before we go under.

* Get together, get some land
* Raise our food, like the man
* Put up a factory on the job
* Save our money, like the mob

Greek Fire on July 30, 2013 at 10:01 PM

Conservatives also seem to have taken the Trayvon Martin case as an opportunity to try to position themselves as the only ones who care about “black on black” violence—their new obsession—and accuse Obama of disregarding it.

The criticism is not entirely unfair.

Of course it’s unfair … and plain stupid. The point is about the left’s and black leaders’ total and shameless hypocrisy. The left squirms at this, as they should. But they get over it quickly, since the left are nihilists who don’t really care about anything other than the moment and what power they can exercise over others, NOW, as they work to destroy everything, anyway.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 30, 2013 at 10:01 PM

…how long before libfreeorgan is here?

KOOLAID2 on July 30, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Well, I am genuinely concerned about black-onblack crime, not because I care about racial agendas but because colored folks in the inner cities are Americans too and the their being deprived of their Second Amendment rights is an affront to us all. If more guns = less crime in the country and suburbs, then it would indeed be racist to say otherwise for poor folk in the city.

abobo on July 30, 2013 at 10:05 PM

so I’m no Johnny Come Lately to the issue, but Sharpton airbrushes my views away because they don’t help his narrative.

He treats you like Bobby Filner would….now fetch him a drink, tootsie!

ted c on July 30, 2013 at 10:06 PM

I thought this was going to get ugly when Lemon started talking about a “deflection,” but he actually got real. It’s far too easy to assign blame for your problems on others, and very difficult to take responsibility for yourself and your family. Lemon spoke of personal responsibility, a very conservative notion. Look what happens when you have “no talking points.”

It’s the blame game that would lead the PC crowd to term a white commentator who said the exact same things a racist.

Greek Fire on July 30, 2013 at 10:06 PM

Stats:

The States With The Most Hate Crimes [RANKED]
Abby Rogers Dec. 10, 2012, 11:11 AM
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Hate crimes were down across the country in 2011, according to the annual

report from the FBI.
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http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-2011-hate-crime-statistics?utm_campaign=email-Immediate&utm_medium=email&utm_source=national-press-releases&utm_content=160283
——————

The report identified 6,222 hate crime incidents motivated by bias against a particular race, religion, sexual orientation, ethnicity, or disability in 2011. This shows a slight decrease from 2010, which saw 6,628 incidents, and 2009, which saw 6,604 incidents.

The District of Columbia was relatively the worst state for the second year running, with 13 incidents per 100,000 people in 2011.

Below is breakdown of hate crimes reported in each state, ranked by the rate per 100,000:
=========================

http://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-2011-hate-crime-statistics-2012-12

canopfor on July 16, 2013 at 5:07 PM

canopfor on July 30, 2013 at 10:07 PM

So he admitted that broken families are no small part of why the black community is so violent? Since when hasn’t that been true?

Big whoop.

sharrukin on July 30, 2013 at 10:09 PM

It’s almost as if Sharpton isn’t looking for allies to solve problems because the problems are much more profitable than solutions.

Almost??? Try hella totes 110%.

Sacramento on July 30, 2013 at 10:11 PM

PS – the minute the insufferable, ubiquitous, annoying to the point of madness “Progressive Flo” came on the commercial I had to sit through to get to Lemon’s commentary, I immediately stopped watching and yakked into my hat.

Sacramento on July 30, 2013 at 10:14 PM

Can we get an…

Amen..

or.

Hallelujah

Electrongod on July 30, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Until black leaders start trying to rebuild the black family unit, which was destroyed by Lyndon Johnson’s “Great Society,” nothing will change.

Today 71% of black babies are born to single women, with the percentage increasing to about in cities like Detroit and Richmond. These are likely to be fourth generation life-long welfare recipients.

The unfortunate thing is that until the mid-1960s blacks were making real progress toward achieving the American dream.

These are things that race-baiters like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson don’t wish to discuss.

bw222 on July 30, 2013 at 10:16 PM

These are things that race-baiters like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson don’t wish to discuss.

bw222 on July 30, 2013 at 10:16 PM

They discuss it all the time.

It’s whitey’s fault.

Liam on July 30, 2013 at 10:20 PM

Conservatives also seem to have taken the Trayvon Martin case as an opportunity to try to position themselves as the only ones who care about “black on black” violence—their new obsession—and accuse Obama of disregarding it.

Who said they cared?

/

The point is : Get your own house in order.

CW on July 30, 2013 at 10:20 PM

There should never be any discussion about race without hard data serving as the starting point – and tons of this data exists.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 30, 2013 at 9:58 PM

Facts is racist.

bw222 on July 30, 2013 at 10:20 PM

If you blind yourself to the possibility of these moments, as Sharpton and others have done, and malign those who can have them you prevent the progress you claim to seek.

Some may blind themselves. Others, like Sharpton, are not blind but seek no conversations, no matter what they say in demagoguery. Progress does not serve their agendas. Quite the opposite.

novaculus on July 30, 2013 at 10:23 PM

…how long before libfreeorgan is here?

KOOLAID2 on July 30, 2013 at 10:04 PM

I dunno..that Lemon fellow is kinda handsome.

The teacher’s assistant has a real quandary on his hands:

Guy’s black…and totally hawt…

But he’s spouting all kinds of stuff that really get’s my thong in a Twist. Plus he has no “Tenor of the Humanities”

BigWyo on July 30, 2013 at 10:23 PM

The majority of racists in America are blacks and white liberals… Blacks because they look at everything through the prism of race… White liberals because they decided to destroy the black communities by making a majority of them totally depending on tax payers handout so in return the blacks vote the liberals into power…

mnjg on July 30, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Forget it. A rational and honest conversation on race? In this country? You must be mad.

Cleombrotus on July 30, 2013 at 9:47 PM

It’s blame the whites, the police, the system. That’s all the “conversation” ever is. Anything else like personal responsibility is “racist”.

One good example of totally missing the “racial” point: Two years ago in Cincinnati an 18 year old black student was tazed, and died of heart failure. Incidentally, he’d been tazed a year before also. In this case, cops showed up inside a dormitory responding to a disturbance call, and the kid wouldn’t get out of the cop’s faces, and the rest is history.

Result, the dead kid’s parents get a $2 million award for wrongful death, which including extra training for the cops. But NO WHERE is there seen a need for instructions for college students on how to behave when dealing with the police, which, in my humble opinion, was the major problem here.

If people suffer through their own actions, like this kid who died after ignoring orders by the police, then, that problem needs to be addressed. You can change the system all you want, but if people act irresponsibly, then they’re going to suffer for it.

Paul-Cincy on July 30, 2013 at 10:28 PM

It’s almost as if Sharpton isn’t looking for allies to solve problems because the problems are much more profitable than solutions.

There is no “almost” about it. For Sharpton, it’s an industry, and a profitable one.

novaculus on July 30, 2013 at 10:30 PM

mnjg on July 30, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Wow..you haven’t heard the news…Just listen to Jesse Jackson or the Right Reverend Al Sharpton or the multitudes of brain dead a$$holes, white and black…

White people invented and own…Racism.

BigWyo on July 30, 2013 at 10:32 PM

Conservatives also seem to have taken the Trayvon Martin case as an opportunity to try to position themselves as the only ones who care about “black on black” violence—their new obsession—and accuse Obama of disregarding it.

Powers is wrong. Here’s the closest analogy I can find. I’ve had it with whining blacks and their black race hustlers. I’m not a racists, and they need to clean up their act. In this analogy, race hustlers are Scott Farkus and Grover Dill. And true conservatives, of course, are Ralphie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvijyBIgazE

BuckeyeSam on July 30, 2013 at 10:33 PM

It’s almost as if Sharpton isn’t looking for allies to solve problems because the problems are much more profitable than solutions.

I’d like knowing how much money Sharpton made off the Zimmerman trial. And, how much of it is tax-exempt.

Liam on July 30, 2013 at 10:33 PM

Facts is racist.

bw222 on July 30, 2013 at 10:20 PM

Facts ARE racist!!

Racist.

BigWyo on July 30, 2013 at 10:34 PM

…how long before libfreeorgan is here?

KOOLAID2 on July 30, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Oh, he dropped this on the ‘Christie is the Bacon King’:

Thrive Kween Thrive!!! #SheHasHadIt:

http://instagram.com/p/cHXbGOrfJE/#

libfreeordie on July 30, 2013 at 8:11 PM

As if to prove that all white people are racists.

I hit back with…

Abortion Doctor: Kill Dem Ugly, Black Babies, Kill!

Resist We Much on July 30, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Resist We Much on July 30, 2013 at 10:35 PM

If people suffer through their own actions, like this kid who died after ignoring orders by the police, then, that problem needs to be addressed. You can change the system all you want, but if people act irresponsibly, then they’re going to suffer for it.

Paul-Cincy on July 30, 2013 at 10:28 PM

I think that’s our biggest problem – summed up as “there’s too many lifeguards watching over the human gene pool” – and that particular pool is getting horribly polluted as a result.

dentarthurdent on July 30, 2013 at 10:39 PM

National conversation on race: Sharpton, Holder, Obama, and the rest of the Left screaming in our faces with megaphones. Everyone else has to shut up and listen.

Liam on July 30, 2013 at 9:48 PM

You wouldn’t understand, whitey. Your life has been perfect in every way, just like mine.

arnold ziffel on July 30, 2013 at 10:39 PM

It’s almost as if Sharpton isn’t looking for allies to solve problems because the problems are much more profitable than solutions.

.
(Racial Harmony) = (Sharpton loses influence, notoriety & money)

ExpressoBold on July 30, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Hate crimes were down across the country in 2011, according to the annual report from the FBI.
*******************
canopfor on July 30, 2013 at 10:07 PM

+++++++++++++++++++++++++

Well, that’s what you get when authorities and the media refuse to classify any black-on-white (or even black on other minority) crimes as hate crimes.

fabrexe on July 30, 2013 at 10:41 PM

The fight against drug war mandatory minimums is a collaboration of Republican Sen. Rand Paul and Leahy.

Minimum sentences did not come from the war on drugs, they were a response to the outrageously lenient sentences coming from liberal judges in all areas of criminal sentencing.

slickwillie2001 on July 30, 2013 at 10:42 PM

The criticism is not entirely unfair.

It’s unfair and dishonest. If she weren’t your friend, you’d see it.

xblade on July 30, 2013 at 10:47 PM

I too have a lot of respect for Kirsten Powers, MKH, but her column was way out of left field. Non-blacks openly discussing the problems with the black community has always been verboten at the risk of being stigmatized as “racist” for life.

The Left forbade the discussion due to delicate feelings long ago and hundreds, if not thousands, have died because of their gag order.

But then again, can anyone name a single Leftist policy that has not resulted in more deaths than the Crusades and Inquisition combined?

StubbleSpark on July 30, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Here’s the problem Katherine:

Wait say three months. Wait until the news cycle is caught up in a combination of the New York races, the debt ceiling, and some other issues that Democrats will accuse Republicans of only caring about when there’s a problem.

At that moment, bring up race and black on black crime. You will get no where… and you’ll probably be called an exploiter.

Washington Fancy on July 30, 2013 at 11:14 PM

Resist We Much on July 30, 2013 at 10:35 PM

It is amusing to see you stumped. You have no idea what the She Has Had It tumblr is even about, or how it perfectly fits todays Rand-Christie Shade-athon.

As for Don Lemon, my response in my own circles is, *yawwn.* But if you’re dying to hear my response I’ll post what I wrote on FB recently:

“I agree that the Lemon outrage is as well rehearsed as his impersonation of Bill Cosby. But what annoyed me about his comments was that their unoriginality revealed that they were driven by blatant opportunism. He used the emotionally charged post-verdict moment to advance his own career as a news-maker; not by doing something significant but by stirring controversy (the media’s only remaining currency) and speaking worn out truth to “black power” (you know how they imagine that people with the lease political and economic power somehow lord over them right?). He’s not the first to do so. Since his segment I’ve been thinking about Ken Hamblin, the Black Avenger who made a mint in Colorado saying far more repugnant things. And we can not forget Sowell, Keys, West, etc. etc. the list goes on. So to suggest that Don Lemon advanced the cause of anti-black racism is as silly as his own claim that black men who sag their pants do the same. But there is something important, I think, about exposing Lemon as someone who uses his platform to leech off of black rage/sorrow to appeal to a broader media complex. He got his View spot though, maybe syndicated talk is next. Good for him, I suppose.”

I’ll only add that if wearing certain clothes protected folks from vigilante/police violence why doesn’t the fashion stylings at your average Kentucky Walmart or NASCAR race produce waves of police brutality? Or, what was the problem with lynching victims who wore overalls and work hats…too similar to blues musicians or something? The Panthers wore leather jackets and berets and Fred Hampton was still murdered in his sleep by the police. The Nation wore suits and bowties and police still have targeted and attacked them. Were the Zoot Suiters guilty of something by wearing their hair conked? It’s just a silly distraction. But it, as always, plays great with a white controlled media complex. Get that money Don Lemon, get all you can.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2013 at 11:23 PM

If we ever get a conservative black person in the presidency, then we can FINALLY have an honest talk about race.

Specifically, why do black people suddenly hate black people?

The Rogue Tomato on July 30, 2013 at 11:28 PM

It is amusing to see you stumped. You have no idea what the She Has Had It tumblr is even about, or how it perfectly fits todays Rand-Christie Shade-athon.

Stumped? No.

Could care less? Yes.

Resist We Much on July 30, 2013 at 11:28 PM

Rational and honest conversations cannot take place with the left anymore, if it ever was possible.

Midas on July 30, 2013 at 11:32 PM

libfreeordie on July 30, 2013 at 11:23 PM

Congratulations. The entire room is dumber just for having been electronically exposed to the crap you not only took the time to post on Facebook, but bothered to cut and paste here as well.

Midas on July 30, 2013 at 11:40 PM

Don Lemon’s boyfriend is WHITE!!!

/Left

SouthernGent on July 30, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Bless his heart, O’Reilly is going to take a beating for his remarks on the racist obsession running amok in this country, but I am happy he did it. Sharpton, , Jackson, Pelosi and company need to stop stoking the fire and try and come up with solutions, otherwise they’re just part of the problem.

scalleywag on July 30, 2013 at 11:45 PM

I believe he is rightly referred to as Reverend Al Charlatan these days.

paulsur on July 30, 2013 at 11:53 PM

Send the world’s smallest violin to libby, stat!

22044 on July 30, 2013 at 11:59 PM

It’s blame the whites, the police, the system. That’s all the “conversation” ever is. Anything else like personal responsibility is “racist”.

One good example of totally missing the “racial” point: Two years ago in Cincinnati an 18 year old black student was tazed, and died of heart failure. Incidentally, he’d been tazed a year before also. In this case, cops showed up inside a dormitory responding to a disturbance call, and the kid wouldn’t get out of the cop’s faces, and the rest is history.

Result, the dead kid’s parents get a $2 million award for wrongful death, which including extra training for the cops. But NO WHERE is there seen a need for instructions for college students on how to behave when dealing with the police, which, in my humble opinion, was the major problem here.

If people suffer through their own actions, like this kid who died after ignoring orders by the police, then, that problem needs to be addressed. You can change the system all you want, but if people act irresponsibly, then they’re going to suffer for it.

Paul-Cincy on July 30, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Moral of the story:

If you’re going to act like an idiot/thug and get in the faces of police officers, bad things are going to happen to you…regardless of the color of your skin.

GrannyDee on July 30, 2013 at 11:59 PM

It’s ironic that the conversation-mongers who attacked Lemon seem incapable of recognizing that a decent discussion comes from unexpected interactions like Lemon’s and O’Reilly’s.

The writer makes the mistake of thinking Conversation means a back and forth discussion in which all viewpoints are heard, and all disagreements are hashed out with respect toward seeking a solution.

But when Conversation is defined as; “Sit Down White Boy and listen to how racist you are regardless of what you think!” Well then, it’s not so Ironic after all.

jaydee_007 on July 31, 2013 at 12:05 AM

Boehner and Cantor, Ryan, Rove are all traitors who enable the former, and suppress wages and jobs for legal Americans, for their sugah-daddies in business.

They are all thugs.

All traitors to Hell. Burn slowly, with drippings.

Schadenfreude on July 30, 2013 at 11:57 PM

Senors y Senoritas, Ladies and Gentlemen, Peeps and Peepettes, Rulers and Ruled. The time will soon come when a first world America will outlive its usefulness. Marx, either Groucho or Karl, I can’t remember which, maybe it was both or maybe it was Harpo, once said that America is the opiate of the people. I say that when America outlives its usefulness and becomes a majority Mexican nation , then opium…will be the opiate…Ahh that’s not a bad idea… we are going to need that badly especially when all the booze runs out …

Marco Rubio’s . EARNESTY’S RAINBOW – is a small contribution to a certain degree, since there are over seven billion people in the world today. 315 of them … million live in the United States which is a very, very small amount compared to those who will be miserable and enslaved and dying elsewhere…Well, I say that you will be on the road to new horizons, for we who live in a society where citizenship is a commodity and a politician can become a TV personality and very wealthy, it’s not easy to conform if you have any morality at all…I, I, I said that myself many years ago…

But I do want to thank la Raza…I mean the RNC … I mean the DNC and it’s subsidiary the RNC, the organization for the $500 in affirmative action latino scholarships they’ve given out…tonight they took in over $5,000,000, but they do have expenses for their brilliant consultants you know, and I think that I have another appointment. I certainly hope so. I would like to stay here, but for the sake of brevity I, I must leave. I do want to thank you, and I want to thank the founding fathers for all the sacrifices
they made however much they were in vain but now, most of all, and looking into the failure … I mean the future .. I want to thank Marco Rubio – acting el Presidenta of Juarez la Raza Mexiamerica and Paul Ryan – acting First Lady of Juarez la Raza Mexiamerica and also Mr. Obama – acting Pharaoh and Peeping Tom … I mean Spy Master and Drone Commander of the World – and also I want to thank Professor Irwin Corey and again, thank you.

RasThavas on July 31, 2013 at 12:08 AM

MKH,

Pointing out the high black on black murder rate in Democratic LA, Oakland, Chicago, Atalanta … has nothing to do with RWers faking a concern.It is pointed out in order to show the left’s hypocrisy in their outrage over the Zimmerman case.

You completely turned it around. It’s not a Moby play – It’s ,instead, a little sarcastic, though Democrat ruled urban murder rates are a problem that needs looking at.

I didn’t read KP on this but if it’s like you write then she’s wrong, also. Unless you were speaking about a specific person , conservatives are NOT concern trolling black on black murders.

BoxHead1 on July 31, 2013 at 12:20 AM

.It is pointed out in order to show the left’s hypocrisy in their outrage over the Zimmerman case. .It is pointed out the left’s hypocritical outrage over the Zimmerman case.

BoxHead1 on July 31, 2013 at 12:21 AM

pointedpointing

I’m a bit like Rachel Jentel

BoxHead1 on July 31, 2013 at 12:21 AM

My friend Kirsten Powers wrote this week on her skepticism about some of the concern conservatives have evinced in the wake of the Zimmerman verdict about black-on-black crime in the country’s urban centers, pegging it as political posturing instead of genuine concern.

Look at Detroit. That is a Kirsten Powers solution, and it has led to exactly the problems we are seeing today.

Look at people beating up other people in lonely settings in putative retribution for Trayvon Martin. That’s from Kirsten Powers’ putative allies.

When mothers are arrested by liberals for taking their kids out of failing schools and enrolling them in places which afford real education, that’s a Kirsten Powers solution.

She and her fellow travelers want to bribe the blacks to stay on the plantation, and while most are willing to take the bribe and vote for her allies, there are many who have seen the light.

If you want to know why the black family is so broken, look to the kinds of aid given by liberals — aid designed to assure that such families are single-parent, and, hence, that the children are each given a large weight around their minds to drag down their upward climb.

unclesmrgol on July 31, 2013 at 12:34 AM

Don Lemon’s an Uncle Tom.

Day-O!

General John Stark on July 30, 2013 at 11:23 PM

Del Dolemonte on July 31, 2013 at 12:34 AM

Fred Hampton was still murdered in his sleep by the police.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2013 at 11:23 PM

Well before you were born.

F-

Del Dolemonte on July 31, 2013 at 12:38 AM

It’s almost as if Sharpton isn’t looking for allies to solve problems because the problems are much more profitable.

Ain’t no money in the cure.” – Chris Rock

myiq2xu on July 31, 2013 at 1:31 AM

is it my imagination or has there been an up tick in “racial discrimination” charges, first the O Reilly/Lemon, then they charge ‘Idol’ with discrimination, and there was an article about asparagus being ‘dry’ in a city in Missouri because of discrimination.

RonK on July 31, 2013 at 4:02 AM

BigWyo on July 30, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Really, really don’t want to burst your bubble, but . . .

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/16/don-lemon-comes-out-cnn-anchor-gay_n_862308.html

BigAlSouth on July 31, 2013 at 6:06 AM

It’s almost as if Sharpton isn’t looking for allies to solve problems because the problems are much more profitable than solutions.

That, in a nut shell, is why Sharpton and the racial pimps don’t look for, or want a solution. In fact, people like Sharpton are the people that generated the problems among Blacks by allowing and enabling the self destructive behavior that leads to people like Martin.

Quartermaster on July 31, 2013 at 6:35 AM

Presidential legacies:

Teddy Roosevelt: National parks and Progressivism in the gop.

Wilson: The IRS

FDR: Social Security

Eisenhower: Interstates

Kennedy: Vietnam startup.

LBJ: Welfare that collapsed the black family unit.

For this post you can stop right there…..

PappyD61 on July 31, 2013 at 7:17 AM

“There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs – partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.”

Booker T Washington

theblacksheepwasright on July 31, 2013 at 7:43 AM

Ssssssssso if you have a company that uses Background checks to pre-screen……the EEOC is coming after you. Oh wait, it’s just TEMP workers (temporarily).

http://www.selectinternational.com/blog/bid/184305/Companies-That-Use-Temporary-Workers-Should-Be-Aware-of-Recent-EEOC-Case

PappyD61 on July 31, 2013 at 8:28 AM

The criticism is not entirely unfair.

Unfair is not the word I would use. Hypocritical is the word I would use, and not against us, but them (them being the race pimps). When we have comments like this;

“Ultimately, only men can end sexism, and only white people can end racism.”

from Benjamin Jealous we have a segment of society that refuses to take responsibility for their own actions. For my part I don’t highlight the black on black violence as a defense of Zimemrman, but as an indictment of leftist policies. If blacks will not take responsibility for themselves, then the black condition will never improve. The perpetual victimhood status schtick ultimately serves only to continue perpetual poverty and blatant racist behavior by blacks in general. And quite frankly what I see from the likes of Jealous and Sharpton are projection. Projection of their own failed thinking and bigotry.

NotCoach on July 31, 2013 at 8:34 AM

Fred Hampton was still murdered in his sleep by the police.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2013 at 11:23 PM

I see Stuck on Stupid is awake. 1969 or yesterday, what’s the difference, right?

NotCoach on July 31, 2013 at 8:37 AM

I’ll only add that if wearing certain clothes protected folks from vigilante/police violence why doesn’t the fashion stylings at your average Kentucky Walmart or NASCAR race produce waves of police brutality?

Gee, I don’t know. Maybe it’s because none of those people dress like CONVICTED CRIMINALS serving time in PRISON.

I’m surprised you even know how to breathe.

Dominion on July 31, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Don Lemon’s real crime? He likes Sarah Palin. He needs to be punished.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihOOn0KhCqU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmdx7C_R6rA

Fallon on July 31, 2013 at 9:27 AM

BigAlSouth on July 31, 2013 at 6:06 AM

Yeah. He’s not really the best person to be carrying the message, because those who need to hear it aren’t going to be listening to him anyway, but at least it’s getting out there.

Cleombrotus on July 31, 2013 at 9:33 AM

libfreeordie on July 30, 2013 at 11:23 PM

Or, shorter version – the only authentic black voices are ones that say things I agree with.

Monkeytoe on July 31, 2013 at 9:35 AM

I’ll only add that if wearing certain clothes protected folks from vigilante/police violence why doesn’t the fashion stylings at your average Kentucky Walmart or NASCAR race produce waves of police brutality? Or, what was the problem with lynching victims who wore overalls and work hats…too similar to blues musicians or something? The Panthers wore leather jackets and berets and Fred Hampton was still murdered in his sleep by the police. The Nation wore suits and bowties and police still have targeted and attacked them. Were the Zoot Suiters guilty of something by wearing their hair conked? It’s just a silly distraction. But it, as always, plays great with a white controlled media complex. Get that money Don Lemon, get all you can.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2013 at 11:23 PM

So typical of your ilk, you live in the past, and therefore have no need for understanding the present. The entire Martin/Zimmerman drama was simply a vehicle by which JacksonSharptonJealous could transport America back 50 years to the world of peaceful protestors getting hosed and attacked by dogs in Birmingham. Electing Obama twice, the nation moved past race. But not so fast says JacksonSharptonJealousLibfree. Not so fast!

Say, just how many flash mobs of smiling white Appalachian teens and youths have run roughshod through the Harlan, Kentucky Wal-Mart lately? Ever?

shuzilla on July 31, 2013 at 9:37 AM

For my part I don’t highlight the black on black violence as a defense of Zimemrman, but as an indictment of leftist policies. If blacks will not take responsibility for themselves, then the black condition will never improve. The perpetual victimhood status schtick ultimately serves only to continue perpetual poverty and blatant racist behavior by blacks in general. And quite frankly what I see from the likes of Jealous and Sharpton are projection. Projection of their own failed thinking and bigotry.

NotCoach on July 31, 2013 at 8:34 AM

The reality is that the left and the race hustlers like Sharpton and Jackson have no interest in seeing black communities improve. the left wants black communities to remain how they are so as to be a continual source of votes and Sharpton/Jackson types want black communities to remain as they are because they make a lot of money from it and gain status from it.

People like libfree like to keep the black communities down because it gives him a sense of moral superiority to believe he alone understands or cares about the black community. If the black community improved, how would people like libfree be able to claim moral superiority to all other Americans?

So, the left does everything in its power to keep the black community from improving.

Monkeytoe on July 31, 2013 at 9:44 AM

The Fairness in Cocaine Sentencing Act, passed in 2009, was a collaboration of Democratic Sens. Dick Durbin and Pat Leahy and Alabama Republican Sen. Jeff Sessions. It closed the gap in federal sentencing between cocaine powder and crack, which had the effect of disproportionately earning black offenders much longer sentences than white offenders.

Not a fan, MKH. Not a fan at all. Powder cocaine is generally bought and paid for by rich people having their own money to spend. Crack is so cheap that it poisons the very neighborhoods that our trillions in pubic assistance have been spent to try to improve. The money to buy crack typically comes fraudulently out of the benefits we give to inner city poor, which undermines those very social programs. That’s what makes dealing and using crack so much worse than powder.

shuzilla on July 31, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Blacks vote against their self-interest. If they want to keep their kids in failing schools, by all means keep voting Democrat. If they want their cities run like mob machines wherein the poor folk get the table scraps while the class war talking honchos rake in the graft, keep voting Democrat. If they want to keep aborting millions of babies and having millions more borne by unwed mothers, keep voting Democrat.

Black America has no hope until it begins looking in the mirror instead of peering through the windows of white America and envying what they have. Blacks are America’s Palestinians: they persist in the politics of failure, anger, and blame instead of doing some constructive self-criticism. And woe to the white man who gives advice–Lemon (and Cosby before him) discovered that even the black man who questions the race grievance industry is going to get vilified.

You can fix ignorant, but you just cannot fix stupid.

PD Quig on July 31, 2013 at 10:19 AM

The criticism is not entirely unfair.

Yes it is because if you brought it up you were labeled racist. Just ask Mr. O’Reilly.

Herb on July 31, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Who would have thought Bill O’Reilly could actually be the one to lance this boil? He deserves huge props for daring to touch the third rail of race and do it so bluntly that his words demanded a response. That took a heck of a lot of guts on his part. He doesn’t care of he gets called a racist, because he knows he isn’t one. And Roger Ailes will not touch him at Fox. He has as big a bully pulpit as anyone in the media does these days, and good for him for using it in this way.

rockmom on July 31, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Has anyone read the article that Drudge Report is linking to regarding Oprah Winfrey, racism and use of the “N-word”?

Both she and Forest Whitaker use the race card big-time in another blatant attempt by blacks to drive the wedge between the races.

Oprah claims that millions of blacks were hung in the trees…MILLIONS! You can be sure the low-information liberals will use this line as proof positive that whites are genocidal killers of the black people. No one in the lamestream media will challenge such an idiotic statement!

Here is the link to the article…

http://www.parade.com/58556/katherineheintzelman/oprah-winfrey-forest-whitaker-talk-lee-daniels-the-butler-racism-and-the-n-word/

metroryder on July 31, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Conservatives also seem to have taken the Trayvon Martin case as an opportunity to try to position themselves as the only ones who care about “black on black” violence—their new obsession—and accuse Obama of disregarding it.

Sorry, Mary Katherine (and of course Kirsten), conservatives are not allowed to talk about things like black on black crime because they will immediately be identified as racists. Lemon got tarred and feathered, do you seriously believe that if all of the sudden Ted Cruz or Rush Limbaugh started a crusade to do something about black on black crime that they wouldn’t be immediately destroyed? Any attempt to address the serious sociological problems in the black community and culture cannot be addressed by anyone. Just as blacks cannot be guilty of racism, there is nothing wrong with the black community that is not caused by white people and cannot be tempered by a big donation to the Rainbow Coalition or whatever sharpton’s scam organization is. The black community has decided to segregate itself from American culture so by their own actions and the actions of those they allow to seize the mantle of “black leaders” they are on their own and need to clean up their own mess. Unfortunately for not only future generations of blacks but for all of America, except for an ostracized few conservative blacks, there is no inclination to do the heavy lifting.

peacenprosperity on July 31, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Conservatives also seem to have taken the Trayvon Martin case as an opportunity to try to position themselves as the only ones who care about “black on black” violence—their new obsession—and accuse Obama of disregarding it.

The criticism is not entirely unfair.

It is not only unfair, it is a disingenuous falsehood.

First, what is being pointed out is the hypocrisy of the left and Obama about black victims of violence. Why are they so vocal about Martin-Zimmerman and so relatively silent about almost epidemic levels of black-on-black violence and murder?

Second, pointing out their hypocrisy does not translate into trying to exploit it as “an opportunity to try to position themselves as the only ones who care about “black on black” violence.” AFAIK, no one on the right has tried to do that. As usual, liberals and lefties just make sh!t up and fling at their political opposition, regardless of the facts and the truth.

Third, it is the Left/MSM/liberals/Dems who are exploiting Martin-Zimmerman for political and financial gain, not people on the Right (other than Corey). It is they who from the beginning spread lies, untruths, and falsehoods, and who continue to do it. It is they who advocated using the power of the State to railroad Zimmerman. Even the most pliable, emotional, and confused juror, the only “minority” on the jury, saw through that and has stated there should have never been a trial, that she thinks it was a publicity stunt.

And there is much, much more.

farsighted on July 31, 2013 at 2:41 PM

The only comment any conservative should ever make about the Sharptons of the world is that they have no credibility.

Knott Buyinit on July 31, 2013 at 4:01 PM

If liberals think conservatives only talk about black-on-black crime when it’s politically convenient, let’s have some realistic selfishness to chew over then:

Black-on-black crime, and black family dysfunction (maybe particularly that) are a burden for the entire nation, not just blacks. More and more black children born into welfare-mom homes are a burden on the nation, because they will more often than not grow up to become dependent on welfare themselves, or end up in prison. Single-mom black communities cannot pay the taxes to support quality schools, and generations of functionally illiterate black citizens are a burden on the nation. The perpetuation of gangsta rap culture glorifies violence and denigration of women, leading to more crime and dysfunction among those whose only cultural reference is gangsta rap culture. And that’s a burden on the nation.

More than anything in the 21st century, the whiney attitude that “It’s not my fault, it’s because of racism, and I’m owed something,” is the most toxic excuse anyone can make, and believing it makes one a burden on the nation.

RebeccaH on July 31, 2013 at 5:50 PM