Christie swings back at “Washington politician” Rand Paul: It’s your state that’s vacuuming up federal tax dollars, not mine

posted at 3:41 pm on July 30, 2013 by Allahpundit

Paul needled him last night on Hannity’s show for taking a “gimme, gimme, gimme” attitude towards federal spending on Sandy relief. Here’s Christie needling him back by accusing Paul and his home state of Kentucky of being a couple of deadbeats:

“I find it interesting that Sen. Paul is accusing us of having a ‘gimme, gimme, gimme’ attitude towards federal spending when in fact New Jersey is a donor state and we get 61 cents back on every dollar we send to Washington,” Christie said. “And interestingly, Kentucky gets $1.51 on every dollar they send to Washington. So if Sen. Paul wants to start looking at where he’s going to cut spending to afford defense, maybe he should start cutting the pork barrel spending that he brings home to Kentucky…”

David Frum made a similar point this morning before Christie spoke. If you look at this Economist chart of federal spending and revenue per state from 1990 to 2009, New Jersey was the third biggest net exporter of tax dollars while Kentucky was the 13th biggest net importer. Christie, who accepted a temporary (but not permanent) expansion of Medicaid under ObamaCare, ain’t the guy to be attacking Paul on spending, but that’s the point here: He’s trying to inoculate himself from the damaging big-spender charge in the 2016 primaries by arguing that even libertarians like their tax money. The kicker is his dismissal of Paul as a “Washington politician,” which is … not the way most people think of Rand. But that’s strategic too. The rap on Christie two years from now will be that he’s the champion of the Republican establishment (which is true). This is him trying to muddy those perceptions by arguing that even the famously anti-establishment tea-party senator is really just a big ol’ Beltway parasite at heart.

Anyway, the takeaway is that both of these men must run for president. We want these debates. We need these debates. In fact, one X factor with Christie is whether his willingness to throw punches at grassroots heroes will end up helping him or hurting him with the centrists he’s targeting in the primaries. I agree with Dan McLaughlin that the real winners in this brawl are Rubio, Cruz, and Walker because space is being cleared in the center-right between Christie and Paul for one (or more) of them, but who knows? (Here’s a smart counter-take.) An “angry RINO” charging at rivals on the right would be a novel thing for a GOP primary; normally the RINO is a hapless figure like Romney who tolerates being dumped on by grassroots righties because he knows he needs conservatives in the general election and doesn’t want to alienate them by firing back. Christie might figure that he’ll do well enough with centrist Democrats as nominee that he can afford to lose a few stalwart conservatives. I think he’s wrong about that, if so, but either way, these primaries will be dynamite.


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Hurricane Sandy relief funds??? Need I say more?

ramblingirl on July 30, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Maybe he can give Obama a big hug before each debate.

Tater Salad on July 30, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Yes, Christie, run. The ads of you hugging Obama will be airing six months before the Iowa caucuses.

JohnTant on July 30, 2013 at 3:45 PM

f you look at this Economist chart of federal spending and revenue per state from 1990 to 2009, New Jersey was the third biggest net exporter of tax dollars while Kentucky was the 13th biggest net importer.

Of which neither men can take blame or accolades for.

The real question is what are they doing NOW for their respective states and the country.

kim roy on July 30, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Christie might figure that he’ll do well enough with centrist Democrats as nominee that he can afford to lose a few stalwart conservatives. I think he’s wrong about that, if so, but either way, these primaries will be dynamite.

why would you think he’s wrong? it’s exactly what mccain and romney did…

chasdal on July 30, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Angry RINOs charging!

John the Libertarian on July 30, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Rand Paul will win this one with Republicans who didn’t like Christie’s demand that the porkfest in the Sandy bill be passed because he need his money yesterday after Obama had him waiting for months already on FEMA help. Regardless of who takes more federal tax dollars, Paul didn’t reuse to work with fellow Republicans to reduce waste for his own benefit.

Conan on July 30, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Anyway, the takeaway is that both of these men must run for president. We want these debates.

No problem, just that the one who wins…wins.

That is who we back, 100%, all of us, so we can rid ourselves of this awful curse of consuming our own flesh and end up being ruled by these liberal zombies.

right2bright on July 30, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Kristie Kreme!

Akzed on July 30, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Anyway, the takeaway is that both of these men must run for president. We want these debates. We need these debates.

Agreed.

terryannonline on July 30, 2013 at 3:49 PM

A first term senator in a Washington insider? Pretty sure Christie got more inside action during Obama’s hug than Rand has ever gotten.

Zaggs on July 30, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Christie needs to take these criticisms from the right, however sharply worded, and explain why he disagrees with them. . . or how he finds common ground with them.

I’m sick of blue state bombast.

vinman on July 30, 2013 at 3:50 PM

why would you think he’s wrong? it’s exactly what mccain and romney did…

chasdal on July 30, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Which is why we don’t have a President McCain or President Romney.

Bitter Clinger on July 30, 2013 at 3:51 PM

To refresh a post from someone (my apologies)

“and then the NSA hacked Christie’s Pappy John’s account,
and sent him an extra large.”

ToddPA on July 30, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Yes, Christie, run. The ads of you hugging Obama will be airing six months before the Iowa caucuses.

JohnTant on July 30, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Meanwhile, you support someone who talks a good game, but still has his head in the trough consuming your money.

This “hugging”, the independents love, so who do you think has a better chance?

Not saying Christie is the better choice, but the “best” choice isn’t always the best choice to win the election.

We need to pick a winner, than build on that win…not hope for a win.

right2bright on July 30, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Christie’s a flaming Northeastern liberal that was bearhugging and complementing Obama a week before the election. I don’t know why we’re taking him so seriously. Who cares what he says? Is anybody seriously thinking that he has a chance at the nomination? Why is Christie always going after Repubs instead of Obama? Whether it be the libertarian or socon wings, or calling us “anti-science” for opposing the nutty proposals of the leftist climate loons, or cozying up to Islamists and gun control: http://www.policymic.com/articles/38465/chris-christie-gun-control-why-the-new-jersey-governor-decided-to-support-it

anotherJoe on July 30, 2013 at 3:52 PM

An “angry RINO” charging at rivals on the right would be a novel thing for a GOP primary; normally the RINO is a hapless figure like Romney who tolerates being dumped on

Unfortunately the Romney method is the one that works. The squish must keep the other side split.

Christie could not win against one opponent. He must have several.

faraway on July 30, 2013 at 3:52 PM

What’s Christie’s position on gun control, on man-made climate change? How about health care? He refused to include New Jersey in the big lawsuit against Obamacare.

TarheelBen on July 30, 2013 at 3:53 PM

Which is why we don’t have a President McCain or President Romney.

Bitter Clinger on July 30, 2013 at 3:51 PM

but they won the primary, which is what AP was referring to. if squishes have ignored cons 2 cycles in a row and won the nomination why would the 3rd time be any different? especially considering how pumped things were after the 2010 cycle.

chasdal on July 30, 2013 at 3:53 PM

Oop! Shade. What Christie is pointing out (and which progressives have known for a while) is that the most conservative states rely the most on the federal government because their state based safety nets have been slashed to produce tax policies that benefit higher earners. Poor people in those states then rely upon the federal safety net that their own congressional lawmakers proceed to attack. It would be interesting to see how residents in Texas, Kentucky and even Alaska were to fair if the federal government actually looked like the Cruz, Paul and Palin vision.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2013 at 3:54 PM

I guess we’re all supposed to forget how Christie went full White House intern on Zero for the hurricane relief loot.

viking01 on July 30, 2013 at 3:54 PM

When all the old people from Blue states have to head to Red states in order to retire, what do they expect?

LoganSix on July 30, 2013 at 3:55 PM

If you look at this Economist chart of federal spending and revenue per state from 1990 to 2009, New Jersey was the third biggest net exporter of tax dollars while Kentucky was the 13th biggest net importer.

CRISTie was elected Governor in November 2009, so it’s absurd for him to take any sort of credit for that(aside from being a loyal taxpayer in the state during that period). Same with Rand Paul. He arrived in the Senate in January 2011. Kentucky’s tax dollar imports are not on him either.

Now what I do hold against CRISTie is how he berated the House GOP publicly for objecting to the pork-filled so-called Sandy relief bill. A true fiscal conservative would’ve given a damn about the taxpayers in the other 49(or 56) states getting screwed in that deal.

Doughboy on July 30, 2013 at 3:55 PM

It’s a hard argument to beat when it’s black and white and clear on paper. One state contributes far more than they consume. The other consumes far more than it contributes.

Hard to blame New Jersey for a lack of federal funds when their balance shows they’ve actually contributed to the federal government rather than borrowed half over again what they sent up.

That being said, I’d choose Paul of Christie.

I just don’t jump on board with the RINO apoplexy anytime every statement out of a representatives mouth can’t sound like a radio personality who doesn’t have to actual govern or do anything but talk, get people rowled up and trusting no one else, and then run ads at them for profit.

Genuine on July 30, 2013 at 3:56 PM

You are assuming that this fat f*** will be alive in 2016 and not dead from a heart attack…

mnjg on July 30, 2013 at 3:56 PM

We want these debates. We need these debates.

Debates? These are not debates. These are weirdly constructed, unresponsive phrases without any rational context, only uttered to manipulate potential voters by mentioning as many poll tested words as possible. Its only a matter of time untill politicians wont bother with speeches anymore but just shout out things like:

“Wahington politician”

“Middle class”

“Investing in our future”

“Binders full of women”

Valkyriepundit on July 30, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Christi started out like Paul, telling the truth and letting the chips fall where they may. Now he likes to pander, chum up to the celebrities and play the “let’s run for president” game. He sold his soul and will pay the price.

Pardonme on July 30, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Christie’s a flaming Northeastern liberal that was bearhugging and complementing Obama a week before the election. I don’t know why we’re taking him so seriously. Who cares what he says? Is anybody seriously thinking that he has a chance at the nomination? Why is Christie always going after Repubs instead of Obama? Whether it be the libertarian or socon wings, or calling us “anti-science” for opposing the nutty proposals of the leftist climate loons, or cozying up to Islamists and gun control: http://www.policymic.com/articles/38465/chris-christie-gun-control-why-the-new-jersey-governor-decided-to-support-it

anotherJoe on July 30, 2013 at 3:52 PM

except for the northeastern part that’s what we were all thinking about mccain in mid-summer 2007 after the immigration fiasco he spear headed. and he still managed to win. as long as iowa, new hampshire and south carolina continue to be early primaries a true con has little chance. Texas and Florida need to step and use their considerable weight to shake up the process.

chasdal on July 30, 2013 at 3:56 PM

right2bright on July 30, 2013 at 3:52 PM

How do you know who I support?

Besides, I stopped playing the Lesser Of Two Evils game after Romney and the Establishment peed the 2012 election away.

Sure, nominate Christie based on his supposed appeal to so-called moderate independents (and if they love the hugging, then it’s doubtful they’ll go for Christie over, say, Hillary Clinton anyway…). But Christie isn’t a moderate. He is a populist bully.

The reality is it no longer matters who gets elected.

JohnTant on July 30, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Do I need to play Under the Boardwalk to remind you of your bromance with the enemy, Gov Bag ‘o’ Donuts?

JohnGalt23 on July 30, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Anyway, the takeaway is that both of these men must run for president. We want these debates.

If Christie is ever in a presidential primary debate, it certainly won’t be for the GOP nomination. Christie can oink all he wants, but the bottom line is that he has continually aligned himself with democrats, not Republicans – a party switch seems imminent for Christie.

Pork-Chop on July 30, 2013 at 3:57 PM

I love the preseason

jake-the-goose on July 30, 2013 at 3:57 PM

The reality is that Christie is a bully and when he gets out on a real campaign trail and his act goes nationwide(people paying attention more than usual) he will sink himself as a candidate. And with all the other issues already pointed out in comments above, the man doesn’t stand a chance save for wholesale voter fraud. In a primary he can have the northeast, however, I find it difficult that the rest of the nation would vote for him. And for those that point to Romney and McCain, hate them if you do, but neither were the douchelords that Christie is.

TQM38a on July 30, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Pretty sure ripping on & pitting one state against the other is not the way to go here, but oh well.

Sacramento on July 30, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Debates can’t come soon enough.
“Rand Paul 2016.”
“Ted Cruz 2016.”
“Scott Walker 2016.”
“Marco sell out Rubio 2016.”
“Barry’s fat prom date 2016.”
Or the campaign bumper stickers.

onomo on July 30, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Christie needs some hookers… or blow. Must have street cred.

faraway on July 30, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Yet he loved throwing that federal weight around bragging about those Sandy dollars.

Zaggs on July 30, 2013 at 3:59 PM

The flab can blab all he wants; that pork roast is done.

M240H on July 30, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Why is sending the most cash to Washington DC seen as a positive?

sharrukin on July 30, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Christie’s a flaming Northeastern liberal that was bearhugging and complementing Obama a week before the election. I don’t know why we’re taking him so seriously. Who cares what he says? Is anybody seriously thinking that he has a chance at the nomination? Why is Christie always going after Repubs instead of Obama? Whether it be the libertarian or socon wings, or calling us “anti-science” for opposing the nutty proposals of the leftist climate loons, or cozying up to Islamists and gun control: http://www.policymic.com/articles/38465/chris-christie-gun-control-why-the-new-jersey-governor-decided-to-support-it

anotherJoe on July 30, 2013 at 3:52 PM

He only has a chance in 2016, if he runs and if he is still alive and not dead from a heart attack due to his obesity, if the conservative base splits their vote among multiple candidates…

mnjg on July 30, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Yea Christie…like my friend who lives in Point Pleasant has to now raise her freakin’ house after she went through the hell of getting it back into liveable condition by taking a freakin’ SBA loan until the FEMA money came. Now she has to move out and take all her stuff so she can have it raised. Kinda like putting the cart before the horse…she has been placed on a “temporary approval” for some grants he’s giving out to raise houses – ummm..like almost a full year later. The rest of the people on the block where she lives are still waiting for any kind of approval.

But he needed that money YESTERDAY. What a joke.

NJ Red on July 30, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Libfree, You mean Fare, not fair. Get it right, Dammit!

birdwatcher on July 30, 2013 at 4:02 PM

I agree with Dan McLaughlin that the real winners in this brawl are Rubio, Cruz, and Walker because space is being cleared in the center-right between Christie and Paul for one (or more) of them, but who knows? (Here’s a smart counter-take.)

You’re all wrong. 2016 will be about anger. The properly calibrated outrage will win, not the center-right mediator. The only two possibilities as of now are Paul and Christie. Christie is really the final evolution of the RINO: that is, showing open contempt for conservatism. We know that’s how they’ve always felt. Christie thinks the mere aspect of political anger will be so novel on the Right that people will get caught up in his bruiser persona he’ll carry the day.

It all depends on Paul. If he can match this crap from Christie with slyer, more intelligent fierceness, he can win.

rrpjr on July 30, 2013 at 4:02 PM

… and this is the guy that kissed Obama’s a$$ right before last year’s election to get fed aide!

lhuffman34 on July 30, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Christie might figure that he’ll do well enough with centrist Democrats as nominee that he can afford to lose a few stalwart conservatives. I think he’s wrong about that,

He is so wrong it makes one question his capacity to think at all. These so-called centrist democrats voted for Zero. Twice. They will definitely be voting for Shrillery, and won’t go anywhere near that fat slob from New Jersey.

Rational Thought on July 30, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Debates can’t come soon enough.
“Rand Paul 2016.”
“Ted Cruz 2016.”
“Scott Walker 2016.”
“Marco sell out Rubio 2016.”
“Barry’s fat prom date 2016.”
Or the campaign bumper stickers.

onomo on July 30, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Before the start the fight for 2016 we have to deal with Obama destructive socialist policies for the next 3.5 years and of course the 2014 elections…

mnjg on July 30, 2013 at 4:03 PM

I don’t think the primaries will be dynamite. I think the Republican Party is not representing its base on key issues like mass immigration (both legal and illegal) and so enthusiasm for it will continue to sag.

“Exciting” debates that stay within the boundaries of what the leftist mass media considers allowable – which excludes doing anything real for the 90% white conservative base – may charge up pundits but won’t get all those white voters who didn’t show up for Romney to move off the sidelines.

If political junkies are saying “oohh … burn!” but the reality is that leftist policies are still destroying families and creating maimed kids that can’t face life without government support and will therefore vote for as much of it as possible, and if mass immigration is still bringing in most of a million permanent leftist voters a year, what is the incentive for those whose interests are destroyed by policies tacitly supported by both parties to care about the burn?

David Blue on July 30, 2013 at 4:05 PM

I find it difficult that the rest of the nation would vote for him.
TQM38a on July 30, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Agree, but given 24/7 subliminals from msm, Christie has a big following of the moderate/apathetic/low information majority. I hear, “I don’t know, I like Christie” so much from so many barely speak english (as their only language) but vote regularly and always from the heart.
For someone like Rand to win that huge cross section, he’d have to dress in tiger striped tights and do a slim jim commercial.

onomo on July 30, 2013 at 4:05 PM

NJ Red on July 30, 2013 at 4:01 PM

I have a friend in the EXACT same position.
Tis a joke.

bazil9 on July 30, 2013 at 4:06 PM

mnjg on July 30, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Good point. Barry’s fat prom date is just gonna have to wait. In the car preferably.

onomo on July 30, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Look at all this epistemic closure among the GOP.

Lockstep, baby!

Abby Adams on July 30, 2013 at 4:08 PM

David Frum made a similar point this morning before Christie spoke. If you look at this Economist chart of federal spending and revenue per state from 1990 to 2009, New Jersey was the third biggest net exporter of tax dollars while Kentucky was the 13th biggest net importer.

This is bullshit data that the proggies love to quote to put down conservative states. The ‘data’ is skewed by the presence of military bases that the blue-states don’t welcome, and by retirement migration, among other problems.

More of that money might stay in New Jersey if the democratics made it a better place to retire, instead workers retire and GTHO as soon as possible for lower-tax states and better weather.

slickwillie2001 on July 30, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Meh. I won’t vote for either of them.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on July 30, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Fat guy needs to shut up and go away!

LurkerDood on July 30, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Oop! Shade. What Christie is pointing out (and which progressives have known for a while) is that the most conservative states rely the most on the federal government because their state based safety nets have been slashed to produce tax policies that benefit higher earners. Poor people in those states then rely upon the federal safety net that their own congressional lawmakers proceed to attack. It would be interesting to see how residents in Texas, Kentucky and even Alaska were to fair if the federal government actually looked like the Cruz, Paul and Palin vision.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2013 at 3:54 PM

Communist scum and slave of the state… The absolute fact is that most of those poor people in conservative states are democrats voters and totally depending on the producers… Romney won households that make more than $ 50,000 a year i.e. the producers… Obama won the vast majority of parasites who are totally dependent on the producers money…

mnjg on July 30, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Christie will be the Democrat nominee in 2016. He’s a mole in the Republican party.

cajunpatriot on July 30, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Just waiting for Christie to tell us that Zimmerman was guilty…

bofh on July 30, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Neither Paul nor Christie will win, but the fight must be had, so they both must run.

Interestingly enough, Palin won the AK governorship by a stellar debate performance, stepping between two fighting ideologues and presenting the centrist argument. Wonder if that would work in 2016. She’s got tons more charisma than Walker and Rubio is damaged goods for real reasons instead of imaginary ones.

alwaysfiredup on July 30, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Libfree, You mean Fare, not fair. Get it right, Dammit!

birdwatcher on July 30, 2013 at 4:02 PM

To the low-information perfesser, spelling is just an artifact of centuries of white-privilege.

slickwillie2001 on July 30, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Oop! Shade. What Christie is pointing out (and which progressives have known for a while) is that the most conservative states rely the most on the federal government because their state based safety nets have been slashed to produce tax policies that benefit higher earners. Poor people in those states then rely upon the federal safety net that their own congressional lawmakers proceed to attack. It would be interesting to see how residents in Texas, Kentucky and even Alaska were to fair if the federal government actually looked like the Cruz, Paul and Palin vision.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2013 at 3:54 PM

That’s not true. This analysis by the Tax Foundation shows that the imbalance doesn’t come from the spending side, but rather from the contribution side. The issue is that in liberal states, there’s very high inflation, which results in NY and CA and NJ people earning very high nominal wages (all of which they end up spending on very high costs of living). Since federal tax income is based on nominal dollars, the fact is that Blue states pay the lion’s share of our federal taxes. However, federal dollars are distributed back out on a per-capita basis. So, I view the “donor state vs. recipient state” issue as being less about red state politicians being better at bringing home the bacon, and more about bat-poop crazy liberal policies driving huge inflation on the coasts, which when combined with our progressive tax structure, results in liberals being hoisted by their own petards.

Outlander on July 30, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Does anyone know what is included in “Federal Taxes” and “Federal Expenditures”?

I think when most people think about this, they are probably thinking “How much is taken in through income taxes” vs “How much is spent on residents in the state”. In those instances, it would be odd to have such an imbalance.

However, if it includes things like corporate taxes (which the Feds would bring in more from states with large cities like NY/NJ) and money spent on federal parks (which will be higher in rural states like KT), it starts to make some sense.

If it includes expenditures on things like armed forces (which are frequently stationed in the south), and anti-poverty programs (e.g. free/reduced lunches, welfare, etc) it would make even more sense as an area like KT has more military and more poverty.

I guess what I’m wondering is if Kentucky is going out and advocating for more federal money (e.g. “Hey Feds, why don’t you build us a bridge?”) or if the feds are setting up programs for individuals and groups that Kentucky just happens to have more of (e.g. “We passed a welfare law and you have X many citizens that qualify so here’s their money”).

The first seems hypocritical if he’s whining about spending. The second seems less so. What’s he supposed to do? Make sure that KT citizens don’t get the money that congress allocated for them just so he can look more libertarian? If he votes against things like welfare, etc he’d still be consistent even if residents of his state get the money.

Does any one have more info on that situation?

JadeNYU on July 30, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Hurricane Sandy relief funds??? Need I say more?

ramblingirl on July 30, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Possibly not, but you might have to. That bill, which Christie pushed to get passed was 50% graft and vote-buying.

So Christie’s idea of “fiscal responsibly” is $1 in graft, waste, fraud, bribery, and corruption for every $1 that gets spent on something meaningful. Unless you think Hurricane Sandy affected Alaskan Fisheries (to pick just one of the vote buying provisions).

I guess he’s hoping all that corruption and fraud will spur the economy?

gekkobear on July 30, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Shut up Christie … go take a walk on the beach with your best bud Obama.

darwin on July 30, 2013 at 4:12 PM

I’ve grown so weary of Crispy…

Tim Zank on July 30, 2013 at 4:12 PM

What’s Christie’s position on .. man-made climate change?

TarheelBen on July 30, 2013 at 3:53 PM

Who knows whether he plans flip-flop as a campaign pander, but for years he has been solidly with the leftists on this. A quote:

“Climate change is real. When you have over 90 percent of the world’s scientists who have studied this stating that climate change is occurring and that humans play a contributing role it’s time to defer to the experts. -Chris Christie

anotherJoe on July 30, 2013 at 4:13 PM

…It would be interesting to see how residents in Texas, Kentucky and even Alaska were to fair if the federal government actually looked like the Cruz, Paul and Palin vision.

Can’t saying much about eastern states or Texas and tax expenditures.

Alaska on the other hand is 97% Federal gov’t, most western states are over 50%. Pretty sure a pile of the dollars from DC goes to wages, retirement, lavish buildings, vehicles, planes, snowmobiles, guns and other toys for the fed agencies.

If the fed was outta Alaska’s hair Alaska would be drilling in ANWAR, cutting timber for export all over the world and mining in every nook and cranny of the state. Instead we pay layer upon layer of fed agencies to ride around in fancy trucks and say ‘NO’ to everything that produces goods, services and jobs.

Same story in most western states, well except pot smoking CO, WA and CA. They’re just interested in watching cartoons or Obama speeches and munching Cheetos.

old school on July 30, 2013 at 4:13 PM

We need to pick a winner, than build on that win…not hope for a win.

right2bright on July 30, 2013 at 3:52 PM

That’s how we got Romney, wasn’t it?

Let’s do something different this time. Let’s vote for the candidate that holds the positions we’re looking for.

hawksruleva on July 30, 2013 at 4:14 PM

The owners of the gop have spoken……

They want more cheap lawn help for their Hamptons retreats.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/30/top-gop-donors-party-legalize-illegal-immigrants/

And taking Rand Paul (and anyone that is a threat is what it’s all about).

PappyD61 on July 30, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Ok Sean Hannity, get Rand back on tonight, keep this back and forth going. Popcorn time.

jake49 on July 30, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Taking down Rand Paul….

PappyD61 on July 30, 2013 at 4:16 PM

If you look at this Economist chart of federal spending and revenue per state

This chart is meaningless.

It’s obvious that it includes Federal corporate income taxes. IOW, the states with corporate headquarters will appear to be tax exporters.

Beneficial, Better Homes, Mutual Life, Ortho-McNeil are HQd in New Jersey.

faraway on July 30, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Christie might figure that he’ll do well enough with centrist Democrats as nominee that he can afford to lose a few stalwart conservatives. I think he’s wrong about that, if so, but either way, these primaries will be dynamite.

Meh, I have no objection to him being as blunt or angry as he likes, if that’s actually how he feels. It’s not going to make me vote for him, but neither is some kind of fake mild-manneredness.

Of all the ridiculous BS we had to put up with in the 2012 elections, the fakeness of the candidates was the worst. They’d all* go on with their fake niceness, until the more savvy ones picked up on the fact that people were tired of fake niceness, so they switched to fake outrage, until people caught on to that, and then the pendulum would swing back. Sure, all politics is like that, but for some reason it seemed especially bad that year.

*Ron Paul was the exception. I was going to vote for him, until I remembered he was crazy. Prescient on many matters, but crazy all the same. Thank God for Rand’s mother and her genes.

RINO in Name Only on July 30, 2013 at 4:17 PM

I really hate these comparisons about taxes sent to the black hole of DC and monies returned. Yeah Ky may receive $1.52 for every $1 sent, but, and no one ever mentions this, Jersey taxpayers who itemize deduct $.33 for every $1 they pay in state and local taxes from their total IRS bill. That money which Washington never collects allows states like Jersey to claim that its high taxes aren’t so bad because you get back $.33 for every dollar you pay. Repeal the state and local tax deduction and see how blue staters react. And the $$ do not leave the state, but remain in the hands of taxpayers , and yet they are never accounted for as monies from the feds. Add state and local deductions as federal money fo NJ and I’d bet Jersey’s federal tax vs. federal return is a good deal north of Kentucky’s

xkaydet65 on July 30, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Before the start the fight for 2016 we have to deal with Obama destructive socialist policies for the next 3.5 years and of course the 2014 elections…

mnjg on July 30, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Amen. While I have definite opinions about both Christie and Paul, I don’t want to even start thinking about the 2016 election until the middle of 2015 or later. But unfortunately this next presidential election will be a very long one because of Obama. Not only is he termed out, but he is a SCOAMF (Stuttering ClusterFluke of a Miserable Failure). There is a huge vacuum and everyone and their brother will be vying to fill it for the next 3 years plus.

NotCoach on July 30, 2013 at 4:18 PM

David Frum made a similar point this morning before Christie spoke. If you look at this Economist chart of federal spending and revenue per state from 1990 to 2009, New Jersey was the third biggest net exporter of tax dollars while Kentucky was the 13th biggest net importer.

Hmmmm… Rand Paul wasn’t in Congress then.

Calling Rand Paul a ‘Washington politician’ when you are still giving virtual tongue baths to Barack Obama and big government statists is rich.

Resist We Much on July 30, 2013 at 4:19 PM

The state with the corporate HQ gets the credit for all of its corporate tax, even though they may not do any business in that state, and probably do business in every state, and other countries.

Phony chart from a phony Republican.

faraway on July 30, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Whatever ya do…be sure to keep writing about it…guh. Like Christie needs more exposure…

phadedjaded on July 30, 2013 at 4:21 PM

This is bullshit data that the proggies love to quote to put down conservative states. The ‘data’ is skewed by the presence of military bases that the blue-states don’t welcome, and by retirement migration, among other problems.

More of that money might stay in New Jersey if the democratics made it a better place to retire, instead workers retire and GTHO as soon as possible for lower-tax states and better weather.

slickwillie2001 on July 30, 2013 at 4:08 PM

i’ve always had my doubts about how accurate those charts are showing these things. however both NJ and Kentucky have military bases so thats a push.

chasdal on July 30, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Say, Gov. Christie, you started all this with your support of the Security State and the abridging of individual rights to support it. Would you care to respond on that original topic? Or have you just run out of arguments and now must attack on a different venue having no ability to actually defend yourself on the first topic?

Because it seems the latter: you are devoid of ideas and ability to say how your version of reality actually supports individual liberty and freedom. If that isn’t the case then you can respond substantively to those you criticize and STAY ON THAT TOPIC.

You can’t stay on topic.

You have no ability to defend your statements.

You are losing this, Governor.

ajacksonian on July 30, 2013 at 4:24 PM

No problem, just that the one who wins…wins.

That is who we back, 100%, all of us, so we can rid ourselves of this awful curse of consuming our own flesh and end up being ruled by these liberal zombies.

right2bright on July 30, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Not a chance! There is no way I’m ever voting for anybody like Obama or Christie. People like them are a far bigger threat our well being than Russia, China, Iran or any foreign enemy. Foreign countries, even nuclear superpowers, could never hope to have as much success destroying our freedom and liberty as our own corrupt multi-national corporatist government already has.

I think what you aught to do, if you are a Christie fan, is convince him to be honest, if he wants to run for President, and run in the Democrat primary where he traditionally belongs.

Having said that, I’m not a Rand Paul fan, either, but at least he’s on the side of freedom and liberty.

FloatingRock on July 30, 2013 at 4:24 PM

“Climate change is real. When you have over 90 percent of the world’s scientists who have studied this stating received direct funding to find that climate change is occurring and that humans play a contributing role it’s time to defer to the experts. -Chris Christie

Fix it for the truth.

kirkill on July 30, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Anyway, the takeaway is that both of these men must run for president. We want these debates. We need these debates.

Not me. First, they’re pretty empty-headed debates. Paul’s “gimme gimme gimme” comment is unsubstantiated hyperbole, and Christie’s reply is based on contributions by state, and not efforts by either politician on policy.

Second, it’s a trivial debate. Over a million dead from Roe a year, marriage is crumbling, drug-use is expanding, illegal immigration remains unchecked, racial agitators abound, foreign adversaries like Iran and North Korea remain threats, the economy remains hampered by our daft trade agreements, and you want to have a debate over who is thriftier-than-thou? No thanks.

Stoic Patriot on July 30, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Sorry Big Boy but that meltdown over hurricane Sandy funding can’t be unseen. You own the crash from that spectacular stunt.

As for arguing who spends more, yes more please. Let’s air it out!

DanMan on July 30, 2013 at 4:31 PM

I’m enjoying this debate quite a bit.

I’d rather have our ideas front and center than the liberals.

gophergirl on July 30, 2013 at 4:32 PM

fatty and toupee in a fight to the death.

i hope they kill each other.

renalin on July 30, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Still not a huge fan of Christie’s after what he did to Romney, but he’s slowly redeeming himself with me.

GOPRanknFile on July 30, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Paul needled him last night on Hannity’s show for taking a “gimme, gimme, gimme” attitude towards federal spending on Sandy relief.

Paul never mentioned Sandy relief in his comment. And this is about the opinions and actions of two people, Rand Paul and Chris Christie, not two states.

Christie, the coward, first tried to use the victims of 911 as a shield to protect himself. I guess there weren’t enough of them for Governor Bulkatude to hide behind, so now His Enormity is trotting out every citizen of New Jersey to provide cover, playing the state card, which beside still being insufficient, is irrelevant.

Dusty on July 30, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Hey round man, go give your messiah a hug and leave those who are more conservative than you alone.

voiceofreason on July 30, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Christie swings back at “Washington politician” Rand Paul: It’s your state that’s vacuuming up federal tax dollars, not mine

You were the one french-kissing the Indonesian Dog-Eating America-hater on the Jersey beach in order to suck up feral dollars (which you didn’t get) and to throw the election to the traitor, fat boy.

Just shut your friggin mouth, already.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 30, 2013 at 4:36 PM

(which you didn’t get)

Not from the Dog-eater, I meant. You should have been humping the crybaby, instead. That’s where the money comes from, dipsh!t.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 30, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Come on, libs. Tell us all about how you’re going to vote for the foul-mouthed slob over Huma’s girlfriend in 2016. Tell us all about those “inroads” the porker is making.

Rational Thought on July 30, 2013 at 4:39 PM

I’m already tired of both of them, especially Chris Christie.

SAMinVA on July 30, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Still not a huge fan of Christie’s after what he did to Romney, but he’s slowly redeeming himself with me.

GOPRanknFile on July 30, 2013 at 4:34 PM

You are the typical Liberal Republican… At the end you and your ilk will lose…

mnjg on July 30, 2013 at 4:41 PM

I think the only reason Democrats-in-all-but-name, like Christie, only run in the Republican presidential primaries because that way, instead of attacking other Democrats to compete for a place on the November ballot, they get to attack Republicans that they don’t care about and probably largely despise. That is why McCain and Romney, who trashed other Republicans in the primaries, were relatively much nicer to Obama in the general. It’s not because they wanted to lose, necessarily, but they do see themselves as being more closely aligned with Obama than their supposed “fellow” Republican nominees.

FloatingRock on July 30, 2013 at 4:44 PM

This fight is good stuff. Go Rand! I hope we get a post a day. I’m keeping a score card.

Round1 NSA: – Paul 10 – 8
Round2(ongoing) Spending: – even -

Paul’s “gimie,gimie,gimie,gimie” is clever because it plays up Christie’s weight in a bad way. Instead of a NJ touch guy, Paul casts Christe as a fat baby.

BoxHead1 on July 30, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Christie will be the Democrat nominee in 2016. He’s a mole in the Republican party.

cajunpatriot on July 30, 2013 at 4:10 PM

yep, those north east libs on both sides see him as the new Reagan

DanMan on July 30, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Those who live in glass houses are throwing stones at each other.

unclesmrgol on July 30, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Somebody ask Christie what he has done here in New Jersey as governor other than hold a microphone and hang out with President Obama.

http://watchdogwire.com/new-jersey/2013/07/15/chris-christie-new-jerseys-celebrity-governor/

http://watchdogwire.com/new-jersey/2013/07/08/revels-redo-in-atlantic-city/

JR on July 30, 2013 at 4:50 PM

None of this will matter after the media falls in line. They will choose the next president in the same fashion as the last president. If your not paying attention, the whispers have begun for America’s first woman president. Which only begs the question, “who will be set up for slaughter”?

DDay on July 30, 2013 at 4:51 PM

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