Abbas: “In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli — civilian or soldier — on our lands”

posted at 8:31 am on July 30, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

Diplomat after diplomat has tried to help solve the longstanding territorial conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians, and the last direct negotiations collapsed after barely a day back in 2010 — but John Kerry has been slowly but surely trying to inch both parties back toward the negotiating table. After some swirling rumors to the contrary, both groups finally agreed last week to send representatives to Washington without any preconditions for another round of peace talks that the State Department is hoping will last for about nine months. And, they’re off:

Israeli and Palestinian negotiators held their first peace talks in nearly three years on Monday in a U.S.-brokered effort that Secretary of State John Kerry hopes will end their conflict despite deep divisions.

Top aides to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas began the talks over an iftar dinner – the evening meal with which Muslims break their daily fast during Ramadan – hosted by Kerry at the State Department. …

“It’s very, very special to be here,” Kerry told his guests. “There isn’t very much to talk about at all,” he joked. …

The United States is seeking to broker an agreement on a “two-state solution” in which Israel would exist peacefully alongside a new Palestinian state created in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, lands occupied by the Israelis since a 1967 war.

The major issues to be resolved in the talks include borders, the future of Jewish settlements on the West Bank, the fate of Palestinian refugees and the status of Jerusalem.

So far, though, the United States seems to have the biggest stake in the talks’ progress; the State Department has asked both sides not to speak publicly about the negotiations nor their expectations, but Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas already took a hard line in a meeting with Egyptian officials on Monday:

Even as talks for a permanent Israeli-Palestinian peace got off to a cautious start in Washington Monday, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas told reporters in Egypt that no Israelis would be allowed to remain in a future Palestinian state.

“In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli — civilian or soldier — on our lands,” Abbas said following a meeting with interim Egyptian President Adly Mansour in Cairo. …

The Palestinian leader also reiterated that he wants a total freeze on settlement construction, and that he will not agree to any compromise solution that would halt projects in smaller outlying Jewish communities in the West Bank while allowing continued building in the larger settlement blocs.

Oof — that doesn’t bode particularly well, does it? Israel, for their part, has said in the past that they’d like to maintain a military presence in the West Bank at the border with Jordan in order to prevent any influx of weapons that might be used against them. I suppose we’ll shortly be seeing if and how the talks move forward.

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The fact that Obama / Kerry can continue to blatantly ignore the obvious goals of Abbas and the PA to make the entire region Judenrein speaks volumes about their values, biases, and vapidity around the lessons of history.

Athos on July 30, 2013 at 1:14 PM

To see what Abbas wants…look to Gaza.

No Israelis there…civilian or soldier.

So…when the factions that control Gaza go up against the factions “controlling” the West Bank…add Hezzbollah, and a little bit of al-Qaeda…and dammit, in no time at all it’ll be the vacation haven for the entire world…just all peaceful and nice and stuff.

When the folks hell-bent to destroy you, you do not capitulate.

The Arabs started how many wars and lost how many?

Spoils of war.

Been that way since Oog the caveman lost his prime spot under the ledge with the great view of the valley…just because he picked a fight with a stronger caveman.

coldwarrior on July 30, 2013 at 1:31 PM

OK, let’s name this year’s tenth hurricane Jackson-Lee, for the Honorable African-American Congresswoman. Then whatever city the storm hits will blame her for the destruction.

By the way, why does the Honorable African-American Congresswoman continue to use the last names of two Confederate generals who fought to retain slavery (Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee)?

Steve Z on July 30, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Don’t forget to waive the practice of retiring names associated with devastating hurricanes if it happens to be devastating.

Steve Eggleston on July 30, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Sheila Jackson-Lee complained that hurricane names were too “lilly white” and said that “All racial groups should be represented.” She suggested Hurricanes “Keisha, Jamal and Deshawn”.

OK, let’s name this season’s tenth hurricane “Jackson-Lee”, and whatever city the storm hits will blame her for the destruction.

By the way, why does the Honoroble African-American Congresswoman still use the last names of two Confederate generals who fought to maintain slavery?

Steve Z on July 30, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Cleombrotus on July 30, 2013 at 12:03 PM

Not likely. The majority of them-if not ALL of them- will return to terrorism.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 30, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Yep; the rate of recidivism from Israeli prisons is even worse than Guantanamo.

slickwillie2001 on July 30, 2013 at 1:39 PM

it as really foolish of Israel to release those jihadis back on the streets because there will never be peace if there is a Israeli state..they want it gone period..not a 2 state solution

sadsushi on July 30, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Northern Ireland never became peaceful until it was clear that nobody wanted to find the Provos anymore, once the Soviets were gone.

Sekhmet on July 30, 2013 at 9:32 AM

The Good Friday Agreement was only implemented following U.S withdrawing support for the IRA

mags on July 30, 2013 at 2:02 PM

To see what Abbas wants…look to Gaza.

Sorry Coldwarrior, but for a better example, look to Judea and Sumaria. Both of those regions have had Jews living there for millenium – but now both are virtually Judenrein because of the policies and actions of the Palestinian Authority particularly after Oslo gave the PA power over these regions.

The PA has even passed laws that not only criminalize the selling of real estate in the West Bank to Jews, but if one is caught doing so, the penalty is death.

The outrage is not that this is the policy of Abbas – it’s been the policy of the PA ever since its creation in 1964 under the corruptocrat terrorist Arafat… the outrage is that pinheads like Kerry, Obama, and others of the Progressive left are so willing to appease the jihadists, they are willing to sell out millions in a more contemptible manner than Chamberlain did when he set the stage for WW2.

Those who fail to learn the lessons of history……

Athos on July 30, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Make Jerusalem international territory. As the center of three main religions it “belongs” to no one group over another.

Genuine on July 30, 2013 at 9:08 AM

That’s my capital you are talking about. It belongs to Israel and the Jewish people. It’s the seat of my government, judiciary, parliament, and Israel’s holiest sites.. Let me repeat ISRAEL’s holiest sites (of 3 religions). Do you want we should give away your capital also? To make someone somewhere ‘feel good’ ?

Buzz off.

saus on July 30, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Not likely. After several lost wars they have shifted their strategy to one of international condemnation. They continue to make terrorist attacks, but outright war is futile and they know it.

NotCoach on July 30, 2013 at 11:52 AM

It may not be likely, but it is going to happen–the pieces are falling into place now. A coalition of Israel’s neighbors will attack and Israel will expand its borders after their destruction. Then, of course, all hell will break loose.

zoyclem on July 30, 2013 at 5:22 PM

Abbas is not racist at all /sarc

john.frank on July 30, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Make Jerusalem international territory. As the center of three main religions it “belongs” to no one group over another.
Genuine on July 30, 2013 at 9:08 AM

Jerusalem belongs to Israel / Judaism. Period. Jerusalem was built from scratch by the God of Abraham, so it’s not like any pre-native people could claim it.

If anything “belongs” to Christianity, it would be Bethlehem. nothing in Israel or the so-called Palestine belongs to Islam. Yet by pissing on Jerusalem in marking their territory, the rop act as if it was, is and will forevermore be third. Sorry raghead, go back to mecca.

No matter, when it’s all said and done Christ will come and reclaim Jerusalem in the name of his Father with a firery vengeance. And as foretold, the interlopers will be destroyed.

AH_C on July 30, 2013 at 8:31 PM

…”By the way, why does the Honoroble African-American Congresswoman still use the last names of two Confederate generals who fought to maintain slavery?

Steve Z on July 30, 2013 at 1:38 PM

I suggest: “Shiela Stonewall-Forest.”
As an alternative, she could find the Swahili translation for “Large Pile of Dung?”

shorebird on July 31, 2013 at 12:56 AM

You make peace with the strong. With the strongest. Who is Abbas? He is a Western stooge, and by no means is he strong, let alone the strongest.

If he is not strong, who is?

Hamas is strong (though recently weakened).
Syria-Hizballah-Iran axis is strong.

Those boys are doing just fine, are aiming many tens of thousands of rockets at Israeli population centers, and let’s not forget about Iran’s ballistic missile program and its nuclear weapons program of course. Neither of these 4 parties are involved in the peace talks.

Who exactly does Abbas represent?

Netanyahu’s government represents all of Israel, and when it comes to these negotiations I’d even be so bold as to say every Jew on the planet.

Abbas’s influence extends PARTIALLY to the so-called “West Bank”, and is only a couple millions of western pity donation dollars away from total and disintegration. At least he’s got the Arab League’s backing, but these boys are undergoing revolutions these days so how reliable is their support really, and with shale gas extraction increasing, their stability is decreasing.

This round of negotiations is a farce. The reason Netanyahu agreed to it, and to release the 104 animals (who should have been killed during capture instead of captured for this release that hurts the victims’ surviving family members and reopens national wounds) is because CNN and the BBC and the world media have painted a bizarre picture from another dimension ever since the year 2000 (2nd intifada) and so he has to somehow push back and change perceptions. No, Israel isn’t the National Socialist party. No, Israelis don’t eat babies.

Anyway, it goes without saying that this round of negotiations will fail. I’m laughing because if I don’t laugh then I’ll certainly cry.

AlexB on July 31, 2013 at 10:20 PM

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