Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on July 28, 2013 by Allahpundit

The odds of a government shutdown this autumn are increasing, with the White House and congressional leaders both digging in…

Twelve Republican senators — including likely 2016 presidential candidates Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) and Rand Paul (R-Ky.) — have said they will not sign off on any spending bill that includes funding for the president’s signature health care law. And as of Friday, at least 69 House Republicans had signed on to a yet-to-be-sent letter to Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) demanding that a continuing resolution defund ObamaCare in its entirety…

Influential conservative advocacy groups, including the Club for Growth and Heritage Action, have circulated letters encouraging leadership to oppose any law that funds the president’s health care plan. The implied threat is that any lawmaker who backs a bill leaving ObamaCare in place is likely to face a well-financed primary threat.

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“If this issue isn’t important enough for us to draw a line in the sand on, what issue is?” [Marco Rubio] said on the Senate floor Thursday…

“Conservatives are going to have to swallow a bitter pill,” [Republican strategist Ford] O’Connell said.

“We’ve seen this play before — the government gets shut down and the GOP is seen as the villain. That’s not good with 2014 on the horizon.

“Just imagine you’re Mitch McConnell,” he added. “You’re really going to have to walk a tightrope on this.”

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Coburn’s case against the proposal is simple: Republicans, having failed to win control of the White House and Senate in 2012, do not have the votes to cut off Obamacare funding. Given that, he sees the defunding proposal as not just wrongheaded but also an effort to mislead conservatives across the country who long to see Republicans stop Obamacare. “The worst thing is being dishonest with your base about what you can accomplish, ginning everybody up and then creating disappointment,” Coburn said. “It’s a terribly dangerous and not successful strategy.”

“You’re going to set an expectation among the conservatives in our party that we can achieve something that we’re not able to achieve,” Coburn continued. “It’s not an achievable strategy. It’s creating the false impression that you can do something when you can’t. And it’s dishonest.”

Even though Republicans don’t have the votes to defund Obamacare, they do have the power, if they choose, to bring the government to a halt. Coburn sees that as a disastrous possible result of the plan. “You’re not going to stop the funding, but what you will do is shut down the government,” he said. “Among that group of senators that has been considering this, I was the only one who was here for that,” a reference to the government shutdowns of 1995 and 1996, when Coburn was a member of the House. “The president is never going to sign a bill defunding Obamacare. Do you think he’s going to cave?”

“The strategy that has been laid out is a good way for Republicans to lose the House.”

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It is important to note that the same Republican consultants who oppose a strategy of refusing to defund Obamacare are the very same Republican consultants who worked for years to sell the American public President Romney and worked tireless for the present Senate Republican Majority.

Oh . . . wait…

It cannot be emphasized enough. The American public is weary of another partisan fight over Obamacare. They are. But the American public is also weary of Obamacare and does not like the law. What we know for sure is that the American public loves a winner.

These Republican consultants do not know how to win. Perhaps we should set our minds to winning this fight instead of listening to the consultants who told us steel tariffs in Pennsylvania, No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D, TARP, the General Motors bailout, and President Romney were the way to build a Republican Majority.

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The public, however, would almost certainly blame Republicans, for five reasons.

First, Republicans are less popular than the Democrats and thus all else equal will lose partisan finger-pointing contests. Second, the executive has natural advantages over a group of legislators in a crisis atmosphere. Third, people will be naturally inclined to assume that the more anti-government party must be responsible. Fourth, some Republicans will say that government shutdowns or defaults are just what the country needs, and those quotes will affect the image of all Republicans. And fifth, the news media will surely side with the Democrats…

Bringing the federal government to a standstill would confirm the Democrats’ caricatures that conservatives are reflexively hostile to all government. And Republicans would be doing it without proposing a plausible replacement for Obamacare. So Democrats would be able to say that Republicans were crippling the government and credit markets in order to take health insurance away from 30 million people.

While Democrats would stay unified, Republicans would fracture as their standing in the polls dropped and negative news coverage continued. When they inevitably lost the fight, they would be more divided, unpopular and demoralized than before, and the cause of repealing Obamacare would look more like the hobbyhorse of incompetent fanatics.

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Over the course of several emails over the past few days with Breitbart News, Stewart and other McConnell aides argued the Minority Leader opposes Obamacare but would not answer when asked multiple times whether he would promise to vote against any government funding mechanism that includes paying for Obamacare’s implementation.

Lee has circulated a letter to Senate Republicans pushing for the defunding of Obamacare in the next CR, which McConnell has not signed. Chris Chocola, the president of the GOP-primary powerhouse Club for Growth, has called on McConnell to sign the Lee letter.

“If Senator McConnell is committed to defunding ObamaCare, then he should sign the Lee letter and promise not to support a continuing resolution or any budget that funds ObamaCare,” Chocola said in a statement. “We are disappointed by rumors that Senate Republican leadership is pressuring Senators not to sign Lee’s letter or to remove their names – they should instead encourage others to sign on.”

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Karl Rove’s Crossroads group commissioned a poll by North Star Opinion Research. The poll found most Americans do not want the GOP to block “health care reform.” That’s right, Crossroads repeatedly called Obamacare “the healthcare reform law” and was shocked to find people oppose stopping reform. Go figure.

But that poll has been circulated to Republican leaders and they have soiled themselves over it. That is why Mitch McConnell will not support Mike Lee’s strategy to draw a line in the sand against funding Obamacare. That is why John Cornyn withdrew his name from Mike Lee’s letter. That is why Richard Burr of North Carolina calls defunding Obamacare “stupid.”

These men are about power, not principle. They’ve chosen to let polls lead them instead of leading people…

We have seen this before. The GOP leadership will cave and dazzle the base with shiny objects. They will then send out fundraising letters in courier type telling you to stand with them and send them money if you want Obamacare defunded.

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Self-identified conservatives and Republicans roundly reject any efforts to fund Obamacare, opposing it 84 percent to 8 percent and 86 percent to 7 percent respectively. Independents oppose any congressional efforts to fund Obamacare 71 percent to 21 percent while moderates oppose such an action 62 percent to 30 percent.

Even Democrats oppose congressional efforts to fund Obamacare outside the margin of error, 48 percent to 44 percent.

A total of 53 percent of likely voters polled answered in the affirmative when asked this question: “Would you vote to replace your member of Congress if he/she voted against [Obamacare], then to fund it?” Just 33 percent said no.

69 percent of self-identified conservatives responded yes, and only 21 percent said they would not.

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“I understand that there are some in the Washington establishment . . . who aren’t happy with me over this. And, in this instance, I’m going to take that as a compliment, as an indication that I’m doing something right.”

“Maybe we can’t repeal [Obamacare] right now, but we can delay its funding. And if we can delay it, we can stop its consequences, at least for now.” The case for doing that has never been stronger, says Lee, because of the president’s enforcement decision. “That’s not fair, it’s not right, and we shouldn’t fund that effort.”

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Via the Daily Caller.

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That’s an excellent collection. :)

thatsafactjack on July 29, 2013 at 12:25 AM

I was enjoying listening to that one Saturday afternoon.

There’s a photo in the liner notes of Collins and Stevie Ray Vaughn jamming together after a Grammy event. Now that’s something I would have like to have seen and heard.

The guitar builder and repair specialist Dan Erlewine has a great story in one of his books where he met Albert Collins with AC’s boots sticking out from under the old Greyhound Scenicruiser or whatever that Collins used as his touring bus. Collins slides out from under the bus and greets him like family. The true blues man. He didn’t just “tour” on his touring bus, Collins drove the bus and did the repairs on it, too!

viking01 on July 29, 2013 at 12:37 AM

Scrumpy on July 29, 2013 at 12:34 AM

The flutter of iridescent gossamer wings… the tinkling of soft laughter… Scrumpy flies through the Glade….swift as light.

Goodnight, Spritely One. Sleep well. :)

thatsafactjack on July 29, 2013 at 12:38 AM

AZfederalist on July 29, 2013 at 12:33 AM

A 30.06 sign is Texas’s ‘no firearms permitted’ sign. Either one of those needs to be posted-or a similarly written version of it needs to be in the membership agreement.
No 30.06 sign-CC will happen in Texas Costcos,

annoyinglittletwerp on July 29, 2013 at 12:40 AM

viking01 on July 29, 2013 at 12:37 AM

What a great story. :)

These guys are such pro’s and most are well acquainted with the need to stretch a dollar. :)

thatsafactjack on July 29, 2013 at 12:40 AM

listens2glenn on July 29, 2013 at 12:28 AM

Nowadays whenever I make a typo I figure it’s the NSA up to their usual tricks.

viking01 on July 29, 2013 at 12:40 AM

Granada

Nite Scrumpy

Schadenfreude on July 29, 2013 at 12:41 AM

Time

and I mean it.

Adios: vaya con dios

Fred

jrsrigmvr on July 29, 2013 at 12:43 AM

Got To Be Some Changes Made – Albert King

I can get behind that sentiment when it comes to the political class in general. TERM LIMITS would be a great start.

thatsafactjack on July 29, 2013 at 12:43 AM

jrsrigmvr on July 29, 2013 at 12:43 AM

Goodnight, Fred. :) Great tunes. Sleep well. :)

thatsafactjack on July 29, 2013 at 12:44 AM

THIS is a 30.06 sign

annoyinglittletwerp on July 29, 2013 at 12:44 AM

thatsafactjack on July 29, 2013 at 12:40 AM

There’s a cartoon by the fellow who does those for the “for Dummies” series of books of a two workers in a music store talking as a grinning, fancy-suited customer leaves carrying a guitar case.

One salesman says to the other:

“I don’t think anyone who buys a blues guitar with a Gold Card should be allowed to have one.”

viking01 on July 29, 2013 at 12:46 AM

A 30.06 sign is Texas’s ‘no firearms permitted’ sign. Either one of those needs to be posted-or a similarly written version of it needs to be in the membership agreement.
No 30.06 sign-CC will happen in Texas Costcos,

annoyinglittletwerp on July 29, 2013 at 12:40 AM

Sounds like the Arizona ARS posting. Glad to hear they won’t be pushing that in Texas. Not sure why they do here in AZ. Well, Tucson at least, don’t know about other AZ Costcos. Tucson is stupid, so that could be one of the reasons, they think it plays well.

AZfederalist on July 29, 2013 at 12:46 AM

In his amnesty Rubio has just perpetrated the Mother of all Deceptions. It’s kind of disturbing now having him on our side (defund O-Care) now. I wish he would back off, sit on the bench, and reduce his visibility. It’s not helping us having such a despised person as a spokesman for our side He really should resign, and let Scott appoint a replacement.

anotherJoe on July 29, 2013 at 12:47 AM

viking01 on July 29, 2013 at 12:46 AM

lol!

thatsafactjack on July 29, 2013 at 12:47 AM

Duane Eddy – Rebel-rouser

Schadenfreude on July 29, 2013 at 12:48 AM

anotherJoe on July 29, 2013 at 12:47 AM

I agree.

PS- He’s not on our side. Most of them aren’t. They’re on their own side… what’s best for the political class…their careers and their investments.

thatsafactjack on July 29, 2013 at 12:48 AM

Instrumental Jam- Albert Collins/A.C. Reed

thatsafactjack on July 29, 2013 at 12:36 AM

The Icepicker! and AC!

Used to see them – A Lot at The Bluenote in Columbia, Mo……..

Remember pulling up to talk music with AC – as he was ordering a “Whisky and Milk” at the bar……..

I asked him why he liked that drink….and he told me that he had a ulcer and that the Milk was “better for his ulcer”…….

He didn’t say what the Whisky did for it……and I didn’t ask….

As you know – AC played saxophone with Bonnie Raitt, too……

williamg on July 29, 2013 at 12:49 AM

This is an Arizona ARS sign: LackOfSafetyForLawAbidingCitizens

AZfederalist on July 29, 2013 at 12:49 AM

Schadenfreude on July 29, 2013 at 12:48 AM

There’s a musician who’s work doesn’t get enough play. :)

thatsafactjack on July 29, 2013 at 12:49 AM

thatsafactjack on July 29, 2013 at 12:43 AM

Mild punishment for the scumbags and scumhags, but a good start, indeed.

Schadenfreude on July 29, 2013 at 12:50 AM

williamg on July 29, 2013 at 12:49 AM

Good evening, williamg. :) That’s quite a drink. I think I’ll let him have my share. :)

thatsafactjack on July 29, 2013 at 12:51 AM

Schadenfreude on July 29, 2013 at 12:50 AM

I’m thinking they’ve wasted enough of our money, our time, our culture, and our freedoms. I favor dismissing them with as little expense or ado as possible. A trial for each would cost us even more. Send them packing and make them members of the private sector as swiftly and efficiently as possible. Then we’ll have plenty of time to take a close look at those investment portfolio’s…and exactly how they amassed them.

thatsafactjack on July 29, 2013 at 12:54 AM

williamg on July 29, 2013 at 12:49 AM

Good evening, williamg. :) That’s quite a drink. I think I’ll let him have my share. :)

thatsafactjack on July 29, 2013 at 12:51 AM

…….yeah – AC and I had a nice conversation at the time………he was always able to finish his sets….

I drank my Whisky straight at the time………and Scotch……

I hadn’t realized it at the time, but – I’d already had enough……….

williamg on July 29, 2013 at 12:55 AM

AZfederalist on July 29, 2013 at 12:49 AM

Gunbusters aren’t considered official notice in TX.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 29, 2013 at 12:56 AM

Dream On – DIO/Malmsteen

Yeah… I know.

thatsafactjack on July 29, 2013 at 12:56 AM

williamg on July 29, 2013 at 12:55 AM

Better late than never… as they say, williamg. It takes a strong character to realize it and do something about it. Well done. :)

thatsafactjack on July 29, 2013 at 12:57 AM

thatsafactjack on July 29, 2013 at 12:54 AM

I hate the Rs more than the Utopian Ds. They enable the rats and, thus, are more culpable. Most all out in 2014…if only…

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Krauthammer is often like Kirstin Powers…not that she ever has his brain.

Schadenfreude on July 29, 2013 at 12:59 AM

Schadenfreude on July 29, 2013 at 12:59 AM

Yes. Sadly, this is the case. The corruption and cronyism of the political class is the source of what ails both Left and Right. While Left and Right may disagree ideologically, it’s the political class that calculates means of keeping Americans embittered, set against one another, to manipulate, and connive at our misery.

Term limits is the only viable means to end that cronyism and cut through the connivance and end the manipulation.

thatsafactjack on July 29, 2013 at 1:03 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on July 29, 2013 at 12:56 AM

Just a gun buster sign won’t cut it here either, the ARS reference is also required.

AZfederalist on July 29, 2013 at 1:05 AM

Shadow of the Moon – Blackmore’s Night

thatsafactjack on July 29, 2013 at 1:05 AM

Gunbusters aren’t considered official notice in TX.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 29, 2013 at 12:56 AM

We also have a website here that keeps a database of gun-friendly and gun-unfriendly businesses: gunburger.com

AZfederalist on July 29, 2013 at 1:11 AM

We need to end the ‘Career Politician’. Politics, in the United States of America, should never be a career option, and neither should it be a hereditary profession.

I think eight years, total, should be enough for any person to serve in a political position.

This limitation would encourage more people to run for political office, since one would no longer be required to ‘have the right connections’ to get elected, and it would also serve to prevent the close cronyism, allowing for a closed political class, that flourishes in our capital today.

thatsafactjack on July 29, 2013 at 1:14 AM

I Love You More Than You’ll Ever Know – Moore

I bid you all a fond goodnight. It’s been a pleasure, as always.

Live in the moment.

“Keep yourselves where the light is.”

thatsafactjack on July 29, 2013 at 1:17 AM

Deep Purple – An American Dream Story

thatsafactjack on July 29, 2013 at 1:14 AM

Indeed, and regretfully the founders didn’t think of it…today someone from the white/yellow pages, on a term limit, would be way better.

For tomorrow

Good night Jackie – keep hope alive.

Good night America.

Schadenfreude on July 29, 2013 at 1:19 AM

AZfederalist on July 29, 2013 at 1:11 AM

To date I’ve only seen 30.06s at two types of places: government buildings-and hospitals/clinics,

annoyinglittletwerp on July 29, 2013 at 1:21 AM

Timing – was writing concurrently with you J. :)

Schadenfreude on July 29, 2013 at 1:21 AM

I hate the Rs more than the Utopian Ds. They enable the rats and, thus, are more culpable.

Schadenfreude on July 29, 2013 at 12:59 AM

Yep.

You’re in good company, as Ayn Rand — some 60 years ago, now — espoused this same principle …

ShainS on July 29, 2013 at 1:21 AM

ShainS on July 29, 2013 at 1:21 AM

If only she were alive today.

Because I respect her, it’s good that she isn’t. I only wish she were alive to see how 100% prescient she was…and to write another novel about the creeps of today.

Schadenfreude on July 29, 2013 at 1:26 AM

So…Jimmah is going to visit North Korea.

Liam on July 29, 2013 at 1:54 AM

“If this issue isn’t important enough for us to draw a line in the sand on, what issue is?” -Marco Rubio.
Um, amnesty. Marco, you tell the Dems that we’re going to draw the line at not going for their crazy idea of swamping the electorate with millions upon millions of undocumented Dems, turning red states like Texas blue. You draw the line, Marco. … … Oh yeah, never mind.

anotherJoe on July 29, 2013 at 3:43 AM

The Rs are a minority party (maybe deservedly so, due to stupidity and total lack of principles) and they lost in 12…in spite of Romney saying he would end barry.care.

We have a weak and incompetent party. Falling on their sword will do nothing…barry will win…and do Victory Dances all the way to 14…stomping down those evil stupid racist b@stards.

Remember his game…those SS payments? They’ll stop. Paying medicare Docs…guess you have to shut it down to see…chumps

barry will win this going away…then the only question is how much damage to the House in 14?

Rs don’t have the strength…nor the solidarity, nor the alternatives, they have Nothing.

r keller on July 28, 2013 at 9:18 PM

This I fear, and I just don’t know.

anotherJoe on July 29, 2013 at 4:26 AM

good morning HA!

so the morning joe crew continues their bashing of gop ‘crooked’ guys with the conservative mcdonnell in virginia…funny, you never hear about the san diego mayor being a democrat until the end of a segment or not at all

cmsinaz on July 29, 2013 at 6:29 AM

msdnc is giddy because there are peace talks between israel and palentstine…I think they are only giddy because this is under obama’s watch which nothing will come to fruition…again

cmsinaz on July 29, 2013 at 6:30 AM

a dem super pac is keeping tabs of ALL GOP candidates flubs to use against them in later elections…politico thinks this is awesome, natch

cmsinaz on July 29, 2013 at 6:33 AM

These Republican consultants do not know how to win. Perhaps we should set our minds to winning this fight instead of listening to the consultants who told us steel tariffs in Pennsylvania, No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D, TARP, the General Motors bailout, and President Romney were the way to build a Republican Majority.

AMEN!

Happy Nomad on July 29, 2013 at 6:35 AM

Good Morning, Patriots! It’s amazing what a little research will unearth. A KJ Scoop. “Anti-American Creative Director of 9/11 Memorial/Museum was an Anti-Vietnam War Activist at Harvard.” My take.

kingsjester on July 29, 2013 at 6:39 AM

good morning HA!

so the morning joe crew continues their bashing of gop ‘crooked’ guys with the conservative mcdonnell in virginia…funny, you never hear about the san diego mayor being a democrat until the end of a segment or not at all

cmsinaz on July 29, 2013 at 6:29 AM

Morning cmsinaz!

What Morning Schmoe doesn’t seem to get is that Bob McDonnell, by all accounts, didn’t do anything illegal. It begs the question if VA needs stronger (or clearer) ethics laws but nothing that has been drummed up by the WaPo verges on illegal or crooked. And since Bob can’t run for a second term they really are trying to paint the VA GOP as corrupt so that Terry McAuliffe’s truly crooked activities are ignored- like the fact that his company is implicated in the visa selling scheme (not the WaPo has been interested in covering that).

As to Weiner and Filner. We really should start a pool as to when they quit/resign their respective endeavors. Because I think they are both going to be holding the “more time with the family” speeches this week.

Happy Nomad on July 29, 2013 at 6:41 AM

A KJ Scoop. “Anti-American Creative Director of 9/11 Memorial/Museum was an Anti-Vietnam War Activist at Harvard.” My take.

kingsjester on July 29, 2013 at 6:39 AM

There’s that word again….. Harvard.

Just as one can profile likely terrorists (young Muslim male), I’m begining to think we have a pattern as to what constitutes an enemy of the state by starting with where they went to university.

Happy Nomad on July 29, 2013 at 6:43 AM

Happy Nomad on July 29, 2013 at 6:43 AM

Yep. That’s what caught my eye. It has become an Anti-American Indoctrination Center.

I am amazed that Ted Cruz got out of there as well-adjusted as he is.
It’s definitely because of his strong family, including his remarkable Dad.

kingsjester on July 29, 2013 at 6:49 AM

This fight starts in the House, not the Senate.

It is the House that sets the budget, it is the House that tells what gets funded and it is the House to which federal spenders look to so that they are in compliance with its wishes.

The House has a simple remedy that Boehner has no intention of taking: fund the government agency by agency, remove the slush fund groupings that allow money to be sloshed around by the President and then simply omit any reference to the ACA aka Obamacare and put in the simple part of each and every bill that states: the funding granted to these agencies are for the subjects given inside this bill and may not be used to fund other agencies or items.

You do not defund Obamacare by saying you are defunding it.

You just don’t fund it and restrict spending to the items listed in the bill. That way large sections of the federal government get funded and if the President gets picky, then send forward all of Treasury save the IRS by going by sub-departments and agencies within Treasury. Do not make it a fight about Obamacare.

Make it a fight over the IRS.

You want to win? Stop talking about the effects of the law and point to the massive, hated bureaucracy set to RUN IT. No one loves the IRS and if it has problems actually doing anything then some of its functions can be explicitly moved to someplace else in Treasury and the IRS slowly be stripped of its powers by not moving all of them. Let Obama try and stop simple tax collection so he can get Obamacare: he is arguing that the tax collector is less important than Obamacare. I want to hear that argument.

The people you have to convince don’t have their seats in the Senate.

It is the HOUSE where the fire must be applied, the Senate is a MASSIVE DISTRACTION.

ajacksonian on July 29, 2013 at 6:52 AM

Happy Nomad on July 29, 2013 at 6:41 AM

I hear ya…and yet they are insisting that he needs to step down…

puhleeze

cmsinaz on July 29, 2013 at 7:05 AM

kingsjester on July 29, 2013 at 6:39 AM

wow….just wow

morning KJ

cmsinaz on July 29, 2013 at 7:20 AM

cmsinaz on July 29, 2013 at 7:20 AM

‘Mornin’, ma’am!

Yeah. That’s what I said.

kingsjester on July 29, 2013 at 7:22 AM

Rubio, Paul, no abomination called Obamacare — just open our borders and destroy us that way?

Don L on July 29, 2013 at 8:06 AM

ajacksonian on July 29, 2013 at 6:52 AM

you make a lot of sense with your strategy, therefore you’ve got to run for something, but then you’d be all alone if you won as a Republican.

Don L on July 29, 2013 at 8:11 AM

kingsjester on July 29, 2013 at 6:39 AM

…the first part of My Take !…HUCK Farvard!…and the scum they create!…the second part…thank you!…never heard that story…and you know the present administration WOULD NEVER ALLOW that to happen TODAY!… the DOJ would have SWAT TEAMS in Alabama!

KOOLAID2 on July 29, 2013 at 8:46 AM

OT/…………. we’ve been really getting slammed from opinion pieces in the Green Room lately…haven’t we?…I’m so glad that the powers to be have requested that some of the people who write here……..oh…I don’t know!…like ResistWeMuch or kingjester and a few others who post here…submit some pieces when people are on va-ca or something………..It would take tooooooooooooo much effort….and be a detriment to this site or something!
Smart Power!

KOOLAID2 on July 29, 2013 at 9:01 AM

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