Obama would like to inform you Ho Chi Minh was totally inspired by Thomas Jefferson

posted at 4:21 pm on July 26, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

Seriously. Dude. As with the IRS targeting of Tea Party groups, it is not the fault of conservatives when this president and his administration manage to live down to the very lowest expectations you can find on an ideological message board. When it sounds like you’re copying and pasting your remarks from an all-caps parody of you on a site with a clip art screaming eagle and waving flag, you have only yourself to blame.

“…we discussed the fact that Ho Chi Minh was actually inspired by the U.S. Declaration of Independence and Constitution, and the words of Thomas Jefferson.”

– President Obama talking to reporters alongside Vietnamese President Truong Tan Sang.

While Sterling Beard notes that this may be “factually true,” it is, at the very least, morally and politically problematic to throw Thomas Jefferson out as an “inspiration” to a man whose very name is shorthand for the slaughter of millions. You don’t even have to know anything about history to know that the likes of Stalin and Ho Chi Minh are not on the list of people you should be tacitly praising. Sure, there are communist chic figures like Che Guevera who made it out of history with their crimes covered and their murderous legacies masked by cool t-shirts, but Ho Chi Minh doesn’t even make it into that category. The ranks of the communist chic are a lot bigger in a tony, super-liberal, yuppy radical neighborhood like Hyde Park, but surely Obama learned to put such things out of his vocabulary better than this. Nope. My guess is this is where this comes from. He’s speaking off the cuff, he’s trying to be agreeable, and he reverts to a comfort zone of calmly stated professorial radicalism that was a-okay in the parlors of Hyde Park. He doesn’t think about being utterly careless with the legacy of those who fought and died in Vietnam, those who perished at the hands of leaders like Ho Chi Minh, and those who escaped them but still suffer trauma.

Chris Stirewalt with a history lesson for our president:

Estimates run as high as half-a-million killed in Ho’s effort to consolidate power after his communist forces drove the French out of Indochina. The killing of landlords and bourgeois-class merchants was famous even in its day and since then has been documented in even more horrifying detail.

And those who carried his banner forward following his death in 1969 – he remains “Uncle Ho” even to this day – built upon his brutal regime. Following the final U.S. retreat from Vietnam untold thousands of Vietnamese, deemed collaborators by the regime, were put to death. He and his Leninist regime used V.I. Lenin’s tactics: murder, terror and “reeducation” to obtain, maintain and expand power.

Ho, whose preserved corpse lies in a glass tomb modeled after Lenin’s in Hanoi, was a seriously bad actor. Whether the United States should have sought to oust him or not or whether the war was rightly fought, Ho was not any heir to Jefferson and the Founding Fathers.

In Obama’s credulous citing of the Constitution as an inspiration, there is particular historical dissonance. One of the great murders of the 20th century could not have been truly inspired by the most significant advancement of the rights of the individual in human history.

There are many other ways to be polite to a visiting head of state, without going here:

Nevertheless, was it really necessary tacitcly to praise a man who killed approximately half-a-million people in an effort to consolidate his power, or to concede ideological similarities between the founding of the United States and modern Vietnam? In Sang’s translated remarks, the Vietnamese president doesn’t mention Minh at all and doesn’t hint at any remorse over his actions. Instead, he noted that he and Obama ”touched upon the war legacy issue, including human rights” and that the two “still have differences on issue.”

Obama doesn’t even need to know much to avoid this pitfall. He could have just watched “The Amazing Race.”

Update: As the front-page photo shows, the president is no stranger to using Vietnam symbolism to his own ends, regardless of how those who fought and died there feel.

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As our illegitimate (in more ways than one) non-president continues to rewrite history, let us remember what his America hating wife had to say.

“Barack knows that we are going to have to make sacrifices; we are going to have to change our conversation; we’re going to have to change our traditions, our history; we’re going to have to move into a different place as a nation.” ~ Michelle Obama, May 2008

SpiderMike
U.S. Army – 1st Infantry Division
Vietnam ’65-’66 / ’67-’68

SpiderMike on July 27, 2013 at 2:31 PM

“Nevertheless, was it really necessary tacitly to praise a man who killed approximately half-a-million people in an effort to consolidate his power…”

Hmmm… It does sound as if he meant Lincoln, not Jefferson.

Cation on July 27, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Now, now, why are you people hating Obama so much?

He and his DC (Republicans included) are selling US’s interest, resources (technology, for defense as well as economics) land, historical companies, future back bending work of American young (your children and grandchildren), voting right (that means ownership of US) to foreigners (former enemies China and USSR, current enemies ME/Muslim, illegals from Latin America, legals from third world, and anyone else in between) for their power grab/sustaining and its consequent fat from their super fat donors/friends/associates (domestic or foreign).

To me, they are doing exactly what Diem, Thieu, Ky and their French-molded gang. The only difference between the two groups is the savaged, bloody war on own people from the US gang.

You embraced D, T, K and co, and all those like him around the world, welcomed them and their sheep into US with open arms, not once stopped to see them for what they are (crooks who sell the blood of their people and land for power and rich). You praised them for their treacherous conduct, lavish media fame and admiration on them.

But you now bitch and moan about Obama for the same things?

When Obama is done with dividing US into factions, pitching classes, religions, genders, sexual orientations against one another (with Republican ruling elites pretend to fight while going along), you will wish you have one like HCM.

The guy was not a saint (no political leader is) but he was devoted to keep his country whole (sounds like Lincoln, no?) and void of foreign invaders/ruler.

And just because I said this does not mean I am a commie.

vnohara on July 27, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Sheep in left farm, sheep in right farm, sheep in first world, sheep in other world, sheep everywhere are the same.

Both conservative and progressive field managers censor what they don’t want their sheep to read/hear.

No difference.

Until Americans live as the occupied by foreigners, and for, say 80 years, Americans will talk as most of them do here about what would be right/good for VN.

Thank to Obama, that they may come sooner than later.

vnohara on July 27, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Obama is a shameful,anti-American would be dictator.Ho Chi Minh and Barack Obama will both go down in history as ignominious tyrants.

redware on July 27, 2013 at 3:13 PM

Ho Chi Minh and Barack Obama will both go down in history as ignominious tyrants.

redware on July 27, 2013 at 3:13 PM

Well one of them will the other will go down as the least qualified moron in any room that he entered.

Oldnuke on July 27, 2013 at 4:17 PM

I would like too inform everyone that Obama was totally inspired by Mao, Lenin, Stalin, and every other tyrant and commie known to mankind.

mobydutch on July 27, 2013 at 4:53 PM

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mobydutch on July 27, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Really? A good communist like Ho Chi Minh inspired by Thomas Jefferson? I do not think so.

Backstory on Obama’s Ho Chi Minh/Thomas Jefferson Remarks

Minh, wanting to “butter up” the American Government, used language from the American Declaration of Independence when he declared Independence for Vietnam from French colonial rule at the end of the 2nd World War.

Inspired? No. Endeavoring to dupe the American Government? Yes.

But, hey, a good marxofacist like Obama would know these things.

john.frank on July 28, 2013 at 12:59 AM

I guess I missed the part where Obama explained how Thomas Jefferson killed millions of Americans and locked millions more into “Re-Education” camps.

This guy make “Plugs” Biden look like a genius.
What a sad state our country has become…

shorebird on July 28, 2013 at 1:12 AM

Best White House President ever!

Shy Guy on July 28, 2013 at 2:18 AM

Speaking as a Viet Nam era Navy veteran, I so seriously want to see this pompous jackass sorry excuse for a President either impeached or forced to leave office in disgrace!

I have had enough of Obama!

pilamaye on July 28, 2013 at 9:02 AM

“…we discussed the fact that Ho Chi Minh Charles Manson was actually inspired by the U.S. Declaration of Independence and Constitution Beatles White Album song Helter Skelter, and the words of Thomas Jefferson George Harrison.”

– President Obama talking to reporters alongside Beatles stalwart Paul McCartney.

MarkT on July 28, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Colonel George Everett “Bud” Day passed away yesterday at the age of 88. Rest in peace, Misty 1.

Christien on July 28, 2013 at 1:52 PM

As our illegitimate (in more ways than one) non-president continues to rewrite history, let us remember what his America hating wife had to say:

“Barack knows that we are going to have to make sacrifices; we are going to have to change our conversation; we’re going to have to change our traditions, our history; we’re going to have to move into a different place as a nation.”

Michelle Obama, May 2008

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SpiderMike
U.S. Army – 1st Infantry Division
Vietnam ’65-’66 / ’67-’68

SpiderMike on July 27, 2013 at 2:31 PM

.
The need to remind people of this quote, will last until the end of the world.

She ain’t never gonna “live it down”.

Thanx ‘Mike.

listens2glenn on July 28, 2013 at 1:58 PM

B.O. needs to wear the mirrored sunglasses and a big military hat…

Galtian on July 28, 2013 at 6:16 PM

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