Poll: Rubio drops from first to sixth nationally among Republicans after immigration push

posted at 4:01 pm on July 25, 2013 by Allahpundit

The good news for Rubio fans? He’s just six points back of the new leader, Rand Paul. That’s how open the field is. (And how silly polls two years out from a primary are.)

The bad news? He was at 21-22 percent in PPP’s polls earlier this year, which means he’s lost more than half his support. No wonder he’s wasting no time in making repairs.

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Three things to note. One: The only candidate who registers double digits across the spectrum is Jeb Bush, brother of the last Republican president. Presumably that’s more a function of name recognition (as so much early data is) than careful appraisal of his positions. Two: Rand Paul is an also-ran among “very liberal” and “somewhat liberal” Republicans. I … would not have guessed that given his moderation on social issues and his big civil-libertarian drone filibuster. Maybe the liberal-ish GOPers aren’t liberal on “values” but rather on the need to protect the welfare state, in which case, yeah, Rand Paul really is their archenemy. Three: Byron York was right. Cruzmania is real, enough so that he’s now the leader among the “very conservative.” (And yet, oddly, far behind among the “somewhat conservative.”) You can see here too why Cruz poses such a threat to Paul especially. Paul finishes second among the “very conservative”; without Cruz here, he probably leads among that group and would enjoy a bigger lead overall. Rubio, by the way, is now sixth among the “very conservative,” a point behind, er, “someone else.”

But whatever. A new WSJ/NBC poll has his favorable rating at 35/13 among conservatives and 47/15 among tea partiers. He can bounce back on the right. The real test of his immigration push is whether it’s made him more “electable” and one gauge of that is to see whether he’s doing markedly better among Latino voters than his GOP rivals. He’s been the face of immigration reform for Republicans in both English-language and Spanish-language media this year. That’s got to mean something, no? Well, not really:

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In fairness to him, that’s slightly better than how the rest of the field fares against Hillary with the exception of Jeb Bush. She leads Jeb 51/34, but again, he has more name recognition than Rubio. Christie trails her among Latinos 56/28, Paul trails 57/26, and Ryan trails 54/25, all right in the ballpark of Rubio’s take. What about a hypothetical match-up with Biden instead? Here you go:

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That’s better than how Paul and Ryan do against Biden and equal to what Bush does (trailing 46/32), but Christie actually tops Rubio here by trailing only 44/32. There’s a potential lesson there: Since Latino voters in the aggregate trend liberal and Democratic, they might be more likely to gravitate towards a moderate Republican with a short record on immigration like Christie than an otherwise conservative Republican with a big amnesty push to his credit like Rubio. Emphasis on “might,” though: Who knows what happens to these numbers after their respective name recognition moves up to the 90 percent mark in a heated primary.

As a gloss on all this, have a look at the graph that John Sexton posted yesterday about who the most electable Republican in the field is (right now, at least.) Second look at gun control?


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Unexpectedly Expectedly!

Resist We Much on July 25, 2013 at 4:04 PM

If only the traitor, and all who are like him, will burn in Hell, slowly, in the coldest layer.

Schadenfreude on July 25, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Amnesty is an insult to all the legal citizens of America, incl. the legal immigrants.

Schadenfreude on July 25, 2013 at 4:05 PM

OT – Sophie, for your blog.

Schadenfreude on July 25, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Election time pandering vs voting records.

voting records win.

Rubio didn’t even have a public “change of heart”. He just bull dozed his Tea Party base and expected them to act like Republicans and come back home at election time?

portlandon on July 25, 2013 at 4:06 PM

A poll in 2013 for the 2016 presidential elections… Political junkies at their worst…

mnjg on July 25, 2013 at 4:06 PM

I can’t stand the sight of this guy’s face. I’ll be patient though for a few years until he turns back into a used car salesman.

LaughterJones on July 25, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Wait what? No Walker? That’s nuts. Are they afraid of what they might find? I don’t get it.

WisRich on July 25, 2013 at 4:07 PM

But whatever. A new WSJ/NBC poll has his favorable rating at 35/13 among conservatives and 47/15 among tea partiers. He can bounce back on the right.

I wouldn’t hold my breath. Tea Partiers and true conservatives(i.e. not the ones in Congress or in the Beltway media) have a long memory. Look at how much damage that couch ad with Pelosi did to Newt’s candidacy. And that was just a TV spot advocating for an issue. Rubio has his fingerprints all over an amnesty bill that actually passed the Senate and that goes completely against everything he pledged to stand for(and against) on the campaign trail when running for the Senate.

Plus as I’ve said repeatedly, Cruz takes away all of Rubio’s advantages. He’s also Latino. He’s also in the Senate after upsetting the GOP’s establishment choice thanks to Tea Party support. He’s also articulate and a brilliant public speaker. He’s also young(for a Senator anyway). But unlike Rubio, he doesn’t have the black mark of the amnesty debacle staining his thin legislative record.

If Ted Cruz runs for President in 2016, Rubio would be better served taking a pass and just trying to survive the GOP Senate Primary in Florida.

Doughboy on July 25, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Schauden-fraud.

BuckeyeSam on July 25, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Unexpectedly Expectedly!

Resist We Much on July 25, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Heh!

Who didn’t see this coming?

Oh yeah, those who think that the Marxist maniac’s in the DNC give a rats hind end about our future…

Galt2009 on July 25, 2013 at 4:10 PM

elRookio™!!!

Bmore on July 25, 2013 at 4:11 PM

elRookio™!!!

Bmore on July 25, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Bueno!

WisRich on July 25, 2013 at 4:12 PM

(And how silly polls two years out from a primary are.)

So why:

Three things to note.

?

davidk on July 25, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Wow, they didn’t even poll Walker?

crrr6 on July 25, 2013 at 4:14 PM

(But I did.)

davidk on July 25, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Poll: Rubio drops from first to sixth nationally among Republicans after immigration push

I’m shocked! SHOCKED I tell ya!

Turtle317 on July 25, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Just wait till it passes. They’ll all be replaced.

stenwin77 on July 25, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Good.

cs89 on July 25, 2013 at 4:16 PM

19% of Ted Cruz’ support is very liberal and 20% of his support is very conservative. Interesting.

Rose on July 25, 2013 at 4:16 PM

(And how silly polls two years out from a primary are.)
So why:

Three things to note.
?

davidk on July 25, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Because political junkies have to talk about polls not matter how silly they are and even if they admit that they are silly…

mnjg on July 25, 2013 at 4:17 PM

WisRich on July 25, 2013 at 4:12 PM

si ; )

Bmore on July 25, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Apart from the disgusting outright lies and betrayal, I could never trust a politician who has proved that the Democrats can play him like a fiddle. Stupidly naive isn’t a quality I want in a president.

Cicero43 on July 25, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Wow, they didn’t even poll Walker?

crrr6 on July 25, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Other pollsters have and he gets around 2%.

Jon0815 on July 25, 2013 at 4:20 PM

McClintock: If Senate Amnesty Bill Passes, ‘We’ll Never Secure the Border’

(CNSNews.com) – “The Senate pathway [to citizenship] . . . is going to make it very difficult to secure the border,” Rep. Tom McClintock (R-Calif.) said during a “Conversations with Conservatives” panel discussion Wednesday at the U.S. Capitol.

Galt2009 on July 25, 2013 at 4:20 PM

19% of Ted Cruz’ support is very liberal and 20% of his support is very conservative. Interesting.

Rose on July 25, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Not really. Unless I’m missing something, this is all voters not registered Republicans (how many Republicans consider themselves as “very liberal”). The 19% is all moonbats who want Cruz because they think he’s beatable. 50% want Jeb Bush probably because they think he’s easily beatable too with that last name of his.

crrr6 on July 25, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Marco who!!!!

Gunlock Bill on July 25, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Seriously who the heck answers political poll questions over 2 years out? I gotta toss the B$ flag on any poll more than 1 year out, they are meaningless before that.

Johnnyreb on July 25, 2013 at 4:22 PM

The truth is glaringly obvious: Marco Rubio cares about immigration reform primarily because the vast majority of illegal aliens in this country are fellow Latinos. He might as well just throw in with La Raza, Mecha, etc.

Christien on July 25, 2013 at 4:22 PM

How soon until Rubio evolves, pivots, and focuses like a laser on the values of the Conservatives who elected him?

Next time he’s up for election, I hope he’s primaried out of the running. I imagine he’s too new to have acquired the contacts and accessed the money to make a successful bid running as an independent.

Trust nothing he says, and make him the one-hit wonder he deserves to be.

Liam on July 25, 2013 at 4:27 PM

crrr6 on July 25, 2013 at 4:21 PM

I thought this was only Republicans. I must have read wrong. I just thought it was a good thing that he was accepted among a wide spectrum of primary voters.

Rose on July 25, 2013 at 4:28 PM

As a gloss on all this, have a look at the graph that John Sexton posted yesterday about who the most electable Republican in the field is (right now, at least.) Second look at gun control?

This is a mirage. Most Democrats have a favorable opinion of Christie because he’s been “Mavericky”, but that doesn’t mean they won’t vote D on election day. I have a somewhat favorable opinion of Joe Lieberman, but if my options were him or Ted Cruz, it’s a no-brainer.

That said, I think he’d be a better candidate than McCain because Christie tends to be more of an a brash fighter, which Romney and McCain were definitely not.

crrr6 on July 25, 2013 at 4:29 PM

If only the traitor, and all who are like him, will burn in Hell, slowly, in the coldest layer.
Schadenfreude on July 25, 2013 at 4:04 PM

There are three or four loons here who just can’t disagree with a politician, they have to have fantasies of piano wire and tire white-walling and sticking hot fireplace pokers up anuses. Seek help, fellas?

Marcus on July 25, 2013 at 4:30 PM

D’oh !!!

jake-the-goose on July 25, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Don’t dig the rhetoric green one?

Bmore on July 25, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Maybes Rubio should go out on a Speechy Tour,to re-clarify his position!
(sarc)

canopfor on July 25, 2013 at 4:32 PM

DEAD.
TO.
ME.

RedNewEnglander on July 25, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Rose on July 25, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Just dug into the poll – yep, just a registered voter filter. That’s why Jeb and Cruz are polling so well with very liberal.


PPP surveyed 800 registered voters, as well as 500 Republican and 418 Democratic primary voters, between July 19-21, 2013. The margin of error was +/- 3.5% for the general election, +/-4.3% for the Republican, and +/-4.7% for the Democratic primary. This poll was not authorized or paid for by any campaign or political organization. PPP’s surveys are conducted through
automated telephone interviews.

crrr6 on July 25, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Maybe he should create an ‘alias”

You know, something like….”Emilio Danger”

ToddPA on July 25, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Rubio is dead to me. Cruz is my guy.

neyney on July 25, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Marco who!!!!

Gunlock Bill on July 25, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Marco Danger.

TXUS on July 25, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Perry?

annoyinglittletwerp on July 25, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Rubio made a tactical error in thinking he could craft a truly bi-partisan bill with the like of Schumer, McCain, Graham, et al… whose general understanding of bi-partisan is “a lot for the left and none for the right… that’s fair”.

I don’t hold it as a substantive error against him… but I guess that makes me like the only person on Hot Air who doesn’t.

Granted, it was no small miscalculation on his part. And, I would even suggest that it (rightly) kills his 2016 chances.

But I see no need to write him off forever. I mean the guy:

* is only 42 years old
* was just elected to national office in 2010
* still has a phenomenal ability to connect with people
* is super-Ultra-conservative on EVERY SINGLE OTHER ISSUE

Maybe Rubio-Schumer is Marco’s “Moses hitting the rock” moment and it will keep him from ever reaching the Promised Land of the presidency.

But I doubt it.

I think it is more likely to simply force him to wander in the political wilderness for a couple presidential cycles. If all goes well and we get a conservative in the office in 2016, Rubio would have to wait until 2024. At which time he would be an ancient 53 years old.

He’s got all that time to be a solid conservative voice in the Senate and/or seek the governorship of Florida. Either way, I think he’ll still end up in the White House before he turns 60.

Question for sufferers of the New and Improved RDS – (now Rubio Derangement Syndrome):

is it wise to write off a 42 year old rising star? Or are his talents and potential worth investing in?

RightWay79 on July 25, 2013 at 4:39 PM

I think Rubio was quoted as saying:

“I am only here to provide my services and the peoples will, unless the leadership tells me otherwise.” /sarc

(not his quote really, but I think I was REALLY close on that one though)

-west

mr_west on July 25, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Marcus on July 25, 2013 at 4:30 PM

There are a few here who, no matter what, will go along to get along, being fluked into oblivion by politicians, from both sides.

Enjoy the destruction.

And, congratulations on president Romney.

Schadenfreude on July 25, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Do something incredibly stupid, and be expected to pay the price? In Washington? This will never catch on. /s

RoadRunner on July 25, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Not even Rush can save this turncoat.

Kissmygrits on July 25, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Question for sufferers of the New and Improved RDS – (now Rubio Derangement Syndrome):

is it wise to write off a 42 year old rising star? Or are his talents and potential worth investing in?

RightWay79 on July 25, 2013 at 4:39 PM

What talents? He’s either the biggest chump in Washington to get rolled by Schumer or he’s a giant phony who lied about his position on amnesty in order to knock off Chuck Crist and get elected to the Senate. I don’t want either one anywhere near the Presidency, let alone the Senate.

And he’s no rising star. To go from 2016 frontrunner to potential also-ran in one fell swoop reveals to me someone who has no idea what his own base is thinking(or simply doesn’t care). Again, this guy has no business being the nominee.

Doughboy on July 25, 2013 at 4:43 PM

“Someone else/ not sure” seems to be doing very well.

ddrintn on July 25, 2013 at 4:44 PM

is it wise to write off a 42 year old rising star? Or are his talents and potential worth investing in?

RightWay79 on July 25, 2013 at 4:39 PM

“Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.” Fooled once; that’s it. We don’t need any more double-dealing, say-anything-to-get-elected, McLame/Grahamnesty clones in the GOP.

RoadRunner on July 25, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Another traitor

Schadenfreude on July 25, 2013 at 4:44 PM

* is super-Ultra-conservative on EVERY SINGLE OTHER ISSUE

Maybe Rubio-Schumer is Marco’s “Moses hitting the rock” moment and it will keep him from ever reaching the Promised Land of the presidency.

But I doubt it.

I think it is more likely to simply force him to wander in the political wilderness for a couple presidential cycles. If all goes well and we get a conservative in the office in 2016, Rubio would have to wait until 2024. At which time he would be an ancient 53 years old.

He’s got all that time to be a solid conservative voice in the Senate and/or seek the governorship of Florida. Either way, I think he’ll still end up in the White House before he turns 60.

Question for sufferers of the New and Improved RDS – (now Rubio Derangement Syndrome):

is it wise to write off a 42 year old rising star? Or are his talents and potential worth investing in?

RightWay79 on July 25, 2013 at 4:39 PM

We have no way of knowing if he’s really “super-conservative” or not. McCain only skews as far right as he does because he votes “yes” on no-hoper bills like this one. Instead of coming clean and saying “I was snookered by thinking I could work with the Dems,” he quintuple to the third powered down on insulting the people who supported him over Crist, who was more honest on this issue in 2010.

Rubio was apparently pro-amnesty in 2008-09 and lied his backside off in 2010. That’s something to remember.

ebrown2 on July 25, 2013 at 4:45 PM

A tune for elRookio™

Bmore on July 25, 2013 at 4:46 PM

And he’s no rising star. To go from 2016 frontrunner to potential also-ran in one fell swoop reveals to me someone who has no idea what his own base is thinking(or simply doesn’t care). Again, this guy has no business being the nominee.

Doughboy on July 25, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Yep, you’d want a candidate with at least the political IQ of a lobotomized rock. The Perro Malinche doesn’t qualify.

ebrown2 on July 25, 2013 at 4:47 PM

Obama weighed in on these polls today saying…”if I had an Amigo, he’d look like Rubio.”

TheAudacityofNOPE on July 25, 2013 at 4:48 PM

But I see no need to write him off forever. I mean the guy:

* is super-Ultra-conservative on EVERY SINGLE OTHER ISSUE

RightWay79 on July 25, 2013 at 4:39 PM

And you know that based on what? What he’s said in speeches (as he’s not been holding office that long…)?

What did he say about Amnesty before getting elected?

I am strongly against amnesty. The most important thing we need to do is enforce our existing laws. We have existing immigration laws that are not being adequately enforced. Nothing will make it harder to enforce the existing laws, if you reward people who broke them. It demoralizes people who are going through the legal process, it’s a very clear signal of why go through the legal process, if you can accomplish the same thing if you go through the illegal process. And number two, it demoralizes the people enforcing the laws. I am not, and I will never support any effort to grant blanket legalization/amnesty to folks who have entered, stayed in this country illegally.

Hey, that’s pretty darned conservative on immigration too… Maybe even Super-ultra-conservative… assuming his words and not his actions are what we can trust.

There’s his problem. He’s now got a record of saying the exact right thing, and promising he won’t possibly do… what he did.

How do you know he’s super-ultra-conservative on every other topic? Has he voted on all of them and voted the right way consistently; or is it just words and promises like the one he broke into pieces above?

gekkobear on July 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM

How proud he must be, being referred to as one of Schumers Republicans.

Bmore on July 25, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Schumers Republicans

Bmore on July 25, 2013 at 4:51 PM

is it wise to write off a 42 year old rising star? Or are his talents and potential worth investing in?

RightWay79 on July 25, 2013 at 4:39 PM

People other than Rubio have been left for dead. What makes him so special?

ddrintn on July 25, 2013 at 4:52 PM

I guess I just don’t buy into the mindset that someone who is with me 99% should be viciously hated and written off because he went against me on 1% of the issues.

I know, I know, I know…

Rubio Lied, Conservatism Died and all that jazz.

But, really.

He hasn’t lost me. And I know I’m not alone. He’s probably lost a bunch of politically obsessed Conservatives (of which I am one), but I would wager that most rank-and-file’s can still appreciate and support him because of his conservative stances on (again I’ll say it) EVERY OTHER ISSUE.

RightWay79 on July 25, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Ted Cruz coming up on Hannity in a minute

bluefox on July 25, 2013 at 4:53 PM

What disturbs me most about this poll is how high up Rand, Paul, and Cruz are.

Why would anyone would want a sitting U.S. Senator with no leadership/executive experience as POTUS? Haven’t we learned our lesson with the current office holder? Set aside our current president’s liberal policies, what makes him the worst two-time president in the history of this country is his inability to lead. All he knows how to do is campaign. How many times has he been gallavanting around this country to sell Obamacare, job bills (AKA spending money we don’t have), or whatever other liberal nonsense?

Do we really want a Rubio (pre-amnesty), Rand, Cruz, or Ryan as POTUS? Really? Can’t we set our sights a little higher? Can’t we get behind someone who can actually lead?

I hear Levin decry some of the things that Christie has done. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not backing Christie, but we need someone who can work with people, who can select the right people for the job. We need a cat herder not a bs’er

RedinPDRM on July 25, 2013 at 4:53 PM

He hasn’t lost me.

RightWay79 on July 25, 2013 at 4:52 PM

I’ll bet he would have if he weren’t a Latino.

ddrintn on July 25, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Obama weighed in on these polls today saying…”if I had an Amigo, he’d look like Rubio.”

TheAudacityofNOPE on July 25, 2013 at 4:48 PM

LMAO!

ToddPA on July 25, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Do we really want a Rubio (pre-amnesty), Rand, Cruz, or Ryan as POTUS? Really? Can’t we set our sights a little higher? Can’t we get behind someone who can actually lead?

RedinPDRM on July 25, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Sure. Who?

ddrintn on July 25, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Let this veteran, business owner, law abiding citizen be very clear…go straight to hell – Rubio!

FU McCain. You’re an embarrassment to the NAVY.

dubito ergo cogito
cogito ergo sum

FlyNavy on July 25, 2013 at 4:55 PM

He’s probably lost a bunch of politically obsessed Conservatives (of which I am one)…

RightWay79 on July 25, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Then, by the way, he has LOST. It’d be no different from Romney.

ddrintn on July 25, 2013 at 4:57 PM

I can’t stand the sight of this guy’s face. I’ll be patient though for a few years until he turns back into a used car salesman.

LaughterJones on July 25, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Some talented person needs to morph his face into Schumer’s.

bluefox on July 25, 2013 at 4:57 PM

As a gloss on all this, have a look at the graph that John Sexton posted yesterday about who the most electable Republican in the field is (right now, at least.)

Why do ya think it is than when the discussion comes to potential Dem candidates there’s not that obsession with “electability”?

ddrintn on July 25, 2013 at 4:59 PM

* THAT when

ddrintn on July 25, 2013 at 5:00 PM

RightWay79 on July 25, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Amnesty and obama’care’ will destroy the land, what’s left of her.

Plus, he’s a traitor to the TEA party, which brung him, the land. Why would you trust the punk on anything he says. He’s a mini-obama.

Schadenfreude on July 25, 2013 at 5:00 PM

but I would wager that most rank-and-file’s can still appreciate and support him because of his conservative stances on (again I’ll say it) EVERY OTHER ISSUE.

RightWay79 on July 25, 2013 at 4:52 PM

If he can’t be counted on to do the right thing for the country in one of the most important matters right now facing America, how can he be trusted with anything else of lesser import?

I mean, if a man sleeps with his wife’s sister, should the wife trust him with the babysitter?

Liam on July 25, 2013 at 5:01 PM

RedinPDRM on July 25, 2013 at 4:53 PM

You can forget Paul Ryan. He’s busy working behind closed doors on that House Trojan Horse a.k.a. Immigration.

bluefox on July 25, 2013 at 5:01 PM

The bad news? He was at 21-22 percent in PPP’s polls earlier this year, which means he’s lost more than half his support.

Coulda had Charlie Crist…is it time for an “I told you so”?

/s

Seriously tho, I’m still awed at how Rubio is so adamantly being tossed under the bus because of immigration. Those who still believe it’s anywhere near realistic that, to some degree, there needs to be some sort of “path to citizenship”. Nothing at all will get done unless that’s part of the cure.

JetBoy on July 25, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Besides, he is just too short.

Bmore on July 25, 2013 at 5:03 PM

From the Sexton entry:

Christie is supported by only 49 percent of Republicans with 14 percent who do not support him. However, Christie gets support from 43 percent of independents and 37 percent of Democrats. In short, Christie is not disliked by any segment of the electorate.

Romney redux. No one hates him except a few crackpots in the base, so he’s a lead pipe cinch!

However, Christie’s more positive numbers among independents and even Democrats suggest he has more upside potential than Clinton who is a known quantity and unlikely to win over many Republican converts.

Just as all those indies and even Dems were going to vote for Mitt in droves. Good Lord, this idiocy will never stop. Maybe it will do in the feckless GOP for good.

ddrintn on July 25, 2013 at 5:04 PM

MeanWhile,………………..

Mediaite ‏@Mediaite 1m

Rand Paul Pulls Ahead In National GOP Primary Poll, Still Gets Crushed By Hillary http://bit.ly/19kQuhy (Column By @tommyxtopher)
===================================================================

http://www.mediaite.com/online/rand-paul-pulls-ahead-in-national-gop-primary-poll-still-gets-crushed-by-hillary/

canopfor on July 25, 2013 at 5:05 PM

He hasn’t lost me.

RightWay79 on July 25, 2013 at 4:52 PM

I’ll bet he would have if he weren’t a Latino.

ddrintn on July 25, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Hmmm…

I really don’t appreciate the inference there.

RightWay79 on July 25, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Rubio /conservatives: It ain’t like you and a friend disagreeing over what your favorite football team or pro wrestler is.

This is like he screwed your wife, stole your favorite gun and shot your dog.

LegendHasIt on July 25, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Hmmm…

I really don’t appreciate the inference there.

RightWay79 on July 25, 2013 at 5:05 PM

I’m sure you don’t. Give me some other reason for your fidelity to Rubio then.

ddrintn on July 25, 2013 at 5:08 PM

He’s acting like the hier aperant to John McCain.

Who needs another under the radar RINO cum liberal doing the bidding of the utopian masterminds of the left?

TO HELL WITH HIM…!

Kuffar on July 25, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Here is my last two cents and then…..
The problem I have with most of these cats is that while the place is on fire and burning to the ground. They give 0 oxygen to breath. Represent my interest 24/7. Shut 0 down.

Bmore on July 25, 2013 at 5:09 PM

That picture of Marco on his knees servicing Chuck Schumer just won’t go away…

… will it?

Seven Percent Solution on July 25, 2013 at 5:11 PM

* is super-Ultra-conservative on EVERY SINGLE OTHER ISSUE

1. BS. There is no evidence of this whatsoever, and plenty of evidence to the contrary.

2. It wouldn’t matter if it WERE true. His amnesty plan will guarantee none of those super-ultra-conservative issues ever see the light of day.

And it’s a stupid argument anyway. If a husband molests children but is super faithful and a super-caring-awesomely-good guy in every other aspect of his life, does that mean he should be given a pass by his wife and family, not to mention the justice system?

This ain’t just naming a post office or some other meaningless issue cave, his amnesty plan is a pretty big f*&^king deal, and not a good one.

xblade on July 25, 2013 at 5:11 PM

Seven Percent Solution on July 25, 2013 at 5:11 PM

Once burned, difficult to remove. ; )

Bmore on July 25, 2013 at 5:13 PM

* is super-Ultra-conservative on EVERY SINGLE OTHER ISSUE

1. BS. There is no evidence of this whatsoever, and plenty of evidence to the contrary.

Examples?

JetBoy on July 25, 2013 at 5:14 PM

OK… I get it.

Hot Air posters hate Marco Rubio.

That’s your choice, I suppose. I don’t want to start sounding like a Rubio schill, lest a get labeled a Rub-Bot or Mar-Bot (have you cleverest of clevers come up with a snappy sounding put down for people who don’t mind Rubio yet?) – so, I will stop defending him.

(For the record, I haven’t been defending his immigration debacle… just the whole of him and his potential)

I am out for the day.
Hope everyone has a truly wonderful evening (no matter what you think of me for not wanting to murderize Rubio).

;-)

RightWay79 on July 25, 2013 at 5:15 PM

RightWay79 on July 25, 2013 at 5:15 PM

We love you, for your 99% :)

p.s. still hate the traitor!

Schadenfreude on July 25, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Seriously tho, I’m still awed at how Rubio is so adamantly being tossed under the bus because of immigration.
JetBoy on July 25, 2013 at 5:02 PM

It’s because he LIED. Why is this so hard to understand?

rrpjr on July 25, 2013 at 5:20 PM

RightWay79 on July 25, 2013 at 4:52 PM

1% of the Issues? I see you haven’t read that Senate bill that he promoted non stop with the ads paid for by Facebook’s CEO? He lied to get elected and then lied when promoting this evil bill.

You know the one that will destroy this Country? Can’t you understand that if this isn’t defeated all of your “other issues” won’t matter?

Are you of this standing by Rubio based on the fact that you like him?

Haven’t you read any factual articles on this evil bill that he is a part of?

You say you are a politically obsessed Conservative, but something is wrong with your thinking on Rubio.

I think your opinions on Rubio are 1% of Conservatives.

bluefox on July 25, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Rubio, You chose to be from latinoland and not America. Go back to your homeland. I’m not in FL but I will do everything I legally can to stop your reelection.

crash72 on July 25, 2013 at 5:25 PM

It’s because he LIED. Why is this so hard to understand?

rrpjr on July 25, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Its that too, but not only that. The thing is that you can claim to hold as many conservative positions as you want, if you actively vote for the legalization of millions of Democrat voters, you undermine all of these positions in practice.

Valkyriepundit on July 25, 2013 at 5:25 PM

It’s because he LIED. Why is this so hard to understand?

rrpjr on July 25, 2013 at 5:20 PM

What was the lie?

JetBoy on July 25, 2013 at 5:25 PM

He might as well just throw in with La Raza, Mecha, etc.

Christien on July 25, 2013 at 4:22 PM

He already did. They wrote the bill for the most part.

bluefox on July 25, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Hot Air posters hate Marco Rubio.

That’s your choice, I suppose.

RightWay79 on July 25, 2013 at 5:15 PM

I don’t hate him at all. I’m just wondering what evidence there is of Rubio’s “potential and talents” other than the fact that he’s a Latino who beat Crist and who can give a nice speech. Obama-like, in other words.

ddrintn on July 25, 2013 at 5:30 PM

What was the lie?

JetBoy on July 25, 2013 at 5:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In5e5kTB95M

Valkyriepundit on July 25, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Go back to your homeland. I’m not in FL but I will do everything I legally can to stop your reelection.

crash72 on July 25, 2013 at 5:25 PM

That w/b FL.

Schadenfreude on July 25, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Go back to your homeland. I’m not in FL but I will do everything I legally can to stop your reelection.

crash72 on July 25, 2013 at 5:25 PM

That w/b FL.

Schadenfreude on July 25, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Well, that’s another problem both Rubio and Cruz would have. Just as you have a lot of GOP voters who would never ever vote for a “purty” woman for president, you have a huge chunk who’ll never vote for a Latino. Sorry, but it’s a fact.

ddrintn on July 25, 2013 at 5:34 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In5e5kTB95M

Valkyriepundit on July 25, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Thanks.

I don’t see anything contradictory then vs. now. He said then that he’s against “blanket legalization amnesty”…his words…and his plan today doesn’t include that. So where’s the lie?

JetBoy on July 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM

I don’t see anything contradictory then vs. now. He said then that he’s against “blanket legalization amnesty”…his words…and his plan today doesn’t include that. So where’s the lie?

JetBoy on July 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM

He won election as an immigration hawk and now he’s an immigration dove. There’s the “lie”. Rubio’s willingness to take point on the issue doesn’t say much for his political sense.

ddrintn on July 25, 2013 at 5:37 PM

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