North Carolina expands concealed carry to “bars” — and other places, too

posted at 1:21 pm on July 24, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

Whenever a state moves to expand its gun laws and add to the list of places in which concealed carry is allowed, the headlines so often seem to run somewhere along the lines of “State X passes bill allowing guns in bars” — the implication being that because State X was dumb enough to allow people the capability to defend themselves and their neighbors in places where alcohol is served, we’re obviously going to see a violent increase in bloody drunken shootouts and mass restaurant carnage because some short-tempered yokel packing heat and looking for a fight won’t be able to keep it together when a guy at a neighboring table insults his favorite football team.

All of which overlooks the fact that concealed carry holders are usually extremely responsible people who don’t want to give anyone an excuse to attack their Second-Amendment rights. I remember when my home state of Virginia expanded their gun laws and allowed for concealed carry in bars and restaurants back in 2010 (and then again when the state repealed their “one handgun purchase per month” law in 2012), state progressives went berserk, shaking their heads and suggesting darkly, “Welcome to the wild, wild West.” …Except that Virginia’s rates of both bar-and-restaurant crime and general gun violence have been declining in the past few years. Bizarre, right?

Anyhow, the North Carolina legislature just moved to expand their own gun laws and allow for concealed carry — not just in “bars” — but in public recreation areas and to allow concealed permit holders to at least keep their firearms in their locked vehicle.

The Republican-backed bill approved by both the House and Senate on Tuesday allows concealed-carry permit holders to take firearms into bars and restaurants and other places where alcohol is served as long as the owner doesn’t expressly forbid it.

The measure will also allow concealed-carry permit holders to store weapons in locked cars on the campus of any public school or university. Guns will also now be allowed on greenways, playgrounds and other public recreation areas. …

“Responsible people are generally the ones who have concealed carry,” said Rep. John Faircloth, (R) District 61. “They don’t want to get in trouble. They don’t want to ruin what they know was a good constitutional right.”

The measure now heads to Republican Gov. Pat McCrory’s desk.

Gov. McCrory is expected to sign the measure, effectively allowing North Carolinians the opportunity to take a more proactive role in both self-defense and the safety of their communities.


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Schools! Come on, while I think this is a step in the right direction, schools should have come first. People aren’t committing mass murder in bars.

NotCoach on July 24, 2013 at 1:24 PM

An armed society is a polite society!

questionmark on July 24, 2013 at 1:24 PM

But we still have to lock our guns in the car when we go onto the college campus because it is a “Free Shooting Zone” or something.

LoganSix on July 24, 2013 at 1:24 PM

The feds to block it soon…

Look at the priorities of this sow.

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2013 at 1:26 PM

The measure will also allow concealed-carry permit holders to store weapons in locked cars on the campus of any public school or university.

So, how’s that supposed to help the stop the next Va Tech massacre from occurring?

Bitter Clinger on July 24, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Dem Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee Filing Bill To Cut Funding To Any State That Doesn’t Change “Stand Your Ground” Laws To “Duty To Retreat”…

Akzed on July 24, 2013 at 1:31 PM

So, how’s that supposed to help the stop the next Va Tech massacre from occurring?

Bitter Clinger on July 24, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Or Columbine? Or Sandy Hook, for that matter?

Bitter Clinger on July 24, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Or Columbine? Or Sandy Hook, for that matter?
Bitter Clinger on July 24, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Sandy Hook was psy-ops.

Akzed on July 24, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Dem Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee Filing Bill To Cut Funding To Any State That Doesn’t Change “Stand Your Ground” Laws To “Duty To Retreat”…

Akzed on July 24, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Can we cut funding to Sheila Jackson Lee’s district on the principle of voting for a moron to represent them?

Bitter Clinger on July 24, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Sure.

Akzed on July 24, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Akzed on July 24, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Heh. That should play well in Texas.

a capella on July 24, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Wyatt Earp hardest hit..

SailorMark on July 24, 2013 at 1:37 PM

reminds me of a true story happened in Dallas a few years back. There was a bar in south Dallas, a rough part of town, called “Bucket o’ Blood”. (nice, right?) Some hoodlums decided it would be a a good idea to hold the place up, so they came through the back door and front door brandishing shotguns and demanded that everyone unload their pockets and wallets.

And then some quick thinker (no one knows who) jumped for the light switch and plunged the entire place into complete darkness. All hell broke less, gun flashes everywhere, but apparently everyone hit the deck and there weren’t any injuries reported. (not to say that means there weren’t any) In the confusion, even the gangsters snuck out of the door and got away.

In the police investigation that followed, they thought they could at list pin down who was doing the shooting, and the Dallas police did a forensic analysis of the bullets recovered. There were somewhere around 50 people inside the bar when the melee started – and the police concluded that at least 33 different weapons had been fired inside the bar that night. Sweet!

Oh, and of course nobody saw nuttin’. Well how could they, it was dark in there!!!

Tom Servo on July 24, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Juvenile court official cracks down on toy gun sales
Juvenile master wants legislators to act

Akzed on July 24, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Wyatt Earp hardest hit..

SailorMark on July 24, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Ironically, Wyatt Earp was more likely to just punch a guy’s lights out than draw a gun on him.

He hated the fact that the shootout at the OK Corral defined his career.

CurtZHP on July 24, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Dem Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee Filing Bill To Cut Funding To Any State That Doesn’t Change “Stand Your Ground” Laws To “Duty To Get Your Head Beaten In By A Thug”…

Akzed on July 24, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Gratis.

CurtZHP on July 24, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Wyatt Earp hardest hit..
SailorMark on July 24, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Also, he didn’t wear a holster. His report on The Gunfight at the OK Corral (that took place in an empty lot a block away) says that he stuck his pistol into his pants, indicating that he may not have even owned a holster.

Akzed on July 24, 2013 at 1:43 PM

He hated the fact that the shootout at the OK Corral defined his career.

CurtZHP on July 24, 2013 at 1:41 PM

I hated that Kevin Costner played him in a movie.

LoganSix on July 24, 2013 at 1:43 PM

CurtZHP on July 24, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Right, but didn’t he have a ‘no gun’ policy at one point in Tombstone?

SailorMark on July 24, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Gratis. CurtZHP on July 24, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Thanks, I can’t do everything around here myself.

Akzed on July 24, 2013 at 1:44 PM

I hated that Kevin Costner played him in a movie.
LoganSix on July 24, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Yeah but so’d that other guy.

Akzed on July 24, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Slightly OT, but on the topic of SYG:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/354312/houston-woman-stands-her-ground-shoots-knife-carrying-attacker-charles-c-w-cooke

Dem Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee Filing Bill To Cut Funding To Any State That Doesn’t Change “Stand Your Ground” Laws To “Duty To Retreat”…

Akzed on July 24, 2013 at 1:31 PM

I wonder what Sheila Jackson Lee has to say about this.

BuckeyeSam on July 24, 2013 at 1:45 PM

I hated that Kevin Costner played him in a movie.

LoganSix on July 24, 2013 at 1:43 PM

If only Kurt Russell had made that movie instead of “Tombstone.”

CurtZHP on July 24, 2013 at 1:45 PM

OT : They named the baby George Alexander Louis.

Shooting a little high aren’t they?
Don’t suppose they might plan on taking back the colonies?

LoganSix on July 24, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Right, but didn’t he have a ‘no gun’ policy at one point in Tombstone?

SailorMark on July 24, 2013 at 1:44 PM

I thought that was Virgil Earp.

CurtZHP on July 24, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Full Faith and Credit demands this be respected in every state right?

gwelf on July 24, 2013 at 1:47 PM

I hated that Kevin Costner played him in a movie.

LoganSix on July 24, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Heh, I know some real wooden boat-builders in Martha’s Vineyard who, after watching the movie Message in a Bottle remarked that the only good thing at the end of the movie was that both Kevin Costner and the “plastic” (fiberglass) boat were lost.

SailorMark on July 24, 2013 at 1:47 PM

I wonder what Sheila Jackson Lee has to say about this.
BuckeyeSam on July 24, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Depends on what the races are of the victim and attacker I guess.

[E]ven though black men between the ages of 14 and 24 make up only 1% of the U.S. population, they represent 27% of all the nation’s murderers.

…While blacks make up just 13% of the population, they’re responsible for more than half – 53% – of the country’s murders.

The 36-page study, which analyzed race-based crime data spanning three decades, found that whites were twice as likely to be murdered by blacks than the other way around….

Akzed on July 24, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Too bad they did not finish the work out by getting rid of the permitting. Hopefully next year.

astonerii on July 24, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Schools! Come on, while I think this is a step in the right direction, schools should have come first. People aren’t committing mass murder in bars.

NotCoach on July 24, 2013 at 1:24 PM

NC is my home state. While I agree schools should have loosened the gun-carrying restrictions more, we still have a lot of RINO-esce types in our legislature – despite kicking out the pro-regressives in 2010.

For now, I’ll take whatever gun-leniency law I can – even though these laws are still an affront to the Second Amendment.

Turtle317 on July 24, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Only cops should have guns.

Socratease on July 24, 2013 at 2:03 PM

The feds to block it soon…

Look at the priorities of this sow.

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2013 at 1:26 PM

..this ginormous porker ought to pay more attention to the problems of her city, right Schade? It’s like the soon-to-be-bankrupt Los Angeles city council doing this as well.

Never occurs to them that they were hired by their constituents to ATTEND TO THE BUSINESS in their jurisdiction first.

The War Planner on July 24, 2013 at 2:07 PM

We have a nice friendly atmosphere, pot luck dinners, billiard tournaments, etc. The clubhouse is decorated in the “Old West” theme. We are second amendment friendly. Loving animals is a must as we are a pet friendly park.

http://www.rvparkstore.com/rv-park-help-wanted/10375-park-host

davidk on July 24, 2013 at 2:17 PM

The feds to block it soon…

Look at the priorities of this sow.

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2013 at 1:26 PM

They are just trying to distract from their driving the city into ruin.

Dr. Frank Enstine on July 24, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Somewhat OT but has some self-defense issues:

SWAT Mix-Up: U.S. Marshals Mistakenly Raid Home of Fla. Nurse

This story has been out a couple of days, and I tweeted about it. But Fox News had a seg on air today.

novaculus on July 24, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Dem Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee Filing Bill To Cut Funding To Any State That Doesn’t Change “Stand Your Ground” Laws To “Duty To Retreat”…

Akzed on July 24, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Like it will go anywhere. What does she have in her state? It would be really funny if her bill cut state funding for the state she represents.

Dr. Frank Enstine on July 24, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Elections have consequences.

LtGenRob on July 24, 2013 at 2:24 PM

What is Sheila Jackson Lee and the other morons who support repeal of Stand Your Ground Laws going to say if someone does retreat instead of standing their ground and the violent street thug that is attacking is also armed and lets loose with a volley of lead killing little black children in the line of fire?

meci on July 24, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Akzed on July 24, 2013 at 1:40 PM

I guess she doesn’t know she can’t dictate laws. I say remove her from her position. If not then the people of Baltimore should get use to lots of petty dictators ruling their lives.

Dr. Frank Enstine on July 24, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Right, but didn’t he have a ‘no gun’ policy at one point in Tombstone?

SailorMark on July 24, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Many towns back then were gun free zones.

Dr. Frank Enstine on July 24, 2013 at 2:29 PM

They retreat on the streets of Chicago and the carnage of innocents is just deplorable.

meci on July 24, 2013 at 2:29 PM

How guns can be understood as more dangerous to society than legalized marijuana I’ll never understand.

libfreeordie on July 24, 2013 at 2:44 PM

How guns can be understood as more dangerous to society than legalized marijuana I’ll never understand.

libfreeordie on July 24, 2013 at 2:44 PM

I’m pretty sure you don’t understand a lot of things, and I also think you must have trouble typing. Are you sure the above is what you wanted to post?

NotCoach on July 24, 2013 at 2:48 PM

NotCoach on July 24, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Buzzed.

novaculus on July 24, 2013 at 2:51 PM

novaculus on July 24, 2013 at 2:21 PM

The sad thing is that all these swat teams know that mistakes like this are going to garner national publicity and yet they still don’t appear to give a darn. It is time to demilitarize the police and end the swat teams.

chemman on July 24, 2013 at 3:09 PM

libfreeordie on July 24, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Still can’t think your way out of a shredded paper bag that has decomposed.

“How guns can be understood as more dangerous to society than legalized marijuana I’ll never understand.”

Is this really what you want to say?

chemman on July 24, 2013 at 3:12 PM

We can carry in bars here in Ohio. Guess how many shootings we have had in bars by CCW holders. ZERO, nada, none.

NotEasilyFooled on July 24, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Buzzed.

novaculus on July 24, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Buzzed posting?

NotCoach on July 24, 2013 at 3:33 PM

In TX-you can carry in liquor stores. You can’t carry in any place that make more than 50% of its sale, in booze .

annoyinglittletwerp on July 24, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Like it will go anywhere. What does she have in her state? It would be really funny if her bill cut state funding for the state she represents.

Dr. Frank Enstine on July 24, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Sadly, she is reelected by some very stupid voters in Texas.

The irony is almost as thick as her skull.

stvnscott on July 24, 2013 at 4:04 PM

I had my twentieth class reunion this weekend….I carried everywhere (as I usually do), even into the bars. The only time I had to leave it was during the tour of the school.

tommer74 on July 24, 2013 at 4:08 PM

What is Sheila Jackson Lee and the other morons who support repeal of Stand Your Ground Laws going to say if someone does retreat instead of standing their ground and the violent street thug that is attacking is also armed and lets loose with a volley of lead killing little black children in the line of fire?

meci on July 24, 2013 at 2:26 PM

You mean like what happens every night in Chicago?……

dentarthurdent on July 24, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Love the cover photo – I’ve been looking at the S&W Model 60 .357 magnum (which what that looks like) for my next “toy” for CCW.

dentarthurdent on July 24, 2013 at 4:14 PM

I wonder what Sheila Jackson Lee has to say about this.

BuckeyeSam on July 24, 2013 at 1:45 PM

I’d bet she would think this horrible woman should go to jail since she was obviously “asking for it” and she profiled and killed some poor misunderstood criminal, when she should have just peed on hersilef and vomited…..

dentarthurdent on July 24, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Don’t suppose they might plan on taking back the colonies?

LoganSix on July 24, 2013 at 1:45 PM

At the rate we’re going, they’ll be able to buy us for $24 and a song.

Kafir on July 24, 2013 at 5:08 PM

How about the State of Texas threaten to cut off funding the Federal Gov’t if they try and pull this shiznit.

44Magnum on July 24, 2013 at 5:41 PM