Family rescued by George Zimmerman from car accident cancels press conference in fear of “blowback”

posted at 8:01 pm on July 24, 2013 by Allahpundit

A terrible moral dilemma. Hold a presser to vouch for the man who rescued you at a moment when he could really use the public support? Or stay out of the line of fire from vigilante lunatics bent on exacting “justice for Trayvon”?

What’s a couple with two small children to do?

The Gerstles were expected to hold a press conference today at the office of Zimmerman’s attorney Mark O’Mara, but cancelled a few hours before it was supposed to take place…

“The family called because they wanted to address the media. I knew that if we did it in an organized way, it would help them get back to a normal life.. But they called today and said they were more worried about blow back from saying anything that would be favorable to George, and decided they did not want to do any media,” O’Mara said.

The lawyer said that when he spoke to the Gerstles “their voices were trembling” and that they feared saying anything positive about Zimmerman “would be toxic.”…

Zimmerman “should be [armed] given the threats against him,” O’Mara said. He added, “If I were him I would leave” the country.

The most amazing thing to me about the rescue is that he was still in Sanford days after the verdict. I figured he and his defense team had devised a plan long ago to move him to Canada or Mexico or parts unknown in the event of an acquittal. He wouldn’t be “safe” there either necessarily, but the effort to track him down and get to him would be prohibitive for all but the most insistent nuts. As it is, I wonder if he’s thinking he can ride out the storm by lying low for a year or two, until most people have forgotten, and then quietly re-emerge somewhere in the U.S. I think he’s making a mistake.

Incidentally, is there an agency (or a charity) at either the state or federal level that provides security for high-profile criminal defendants upon release or acquittal? I’m not thinking about that for Zimmerman specifically, just in general. O.J. could have used it, I’m sure; so could Casey Anthony. I think they’re both guilty as sin, and maybe O.J.’s a special case because he could afford to pay for his own protection, but it seems weird to discharge a defendant from court on grounds that they’re “free” to go when they’re facing hundreds or thousands of death threats with little professional help in thwarting them. National media holds these people out, sometimes rightly and sometimes wrongly, as monsters and then they’re left to fend for themselves against a public that despises them. Is that their idea of “rough justice”? I’m not sure prison wouldn’t have been safer for Zimmerman.


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Incidentally, is there an agency (or a charity) at either the state or federal level that provides security for high-profile criminal defendants upon release or acquittal?

Isn’t that what that intern asked Baghdad Jay? What the government was doing about the death threats against anybody attached to this case. With the comment (after Carney’s moral outrage) that Zimmerman et al were essentially on their own.

Given this administration, I wouldn’t put it past administration officials to make it known to racist street thugs exactly where they can find Zimmerman and his family.

Happy Nomad on July 24, 2013 at 9:38 PM

And of course, he’s much safer than the unarmed boy he stalked and killed. Yet there is very little concern over that boy’s safety around these parts.
 
righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 9:12 PM

 
Did this happen after the “not guilty” verdict with that Trayvon guy?

rogerb on July 24, 2013 at 9:39 PM

I don’t blame them in the least.

Despicable, liberal racist sh!tbags……….

98ZJUSMC on July 24, 2013 at 9:39 PM

O’Mara’s statement bears repeating, loudly.

Zimmerman “should be [armed] given the threats against him,” O’Mara said. He added, “If I were him I would leave” the country.

I hope Zimmerman takes NBC for 8 figures.

farsighted on July 24, 2013 at 9:40 PM

(L’esprit d’escalier)
 

And of course, he’s much safer than the unarmed boy he stalked and killed. Yet there is very little concern over that boy’s safety around these parts.
 
righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 9:12 PM

 
Chicago, you have a call holding on line two, please. Chicago, line two.

rogerb on July 24, 2013 at 9:41 PM

And of course, he’s much safer than the unarmed boy he stalked and killed. Yet there is very little concern over that boy’s safety around these parts.
righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Get a clue.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2912115/posts

I’m sure the 801 or so people murdered every year by “hands and feet” would agree with you that there’s no need to be concerned about an “unarmed boy”.///

Go tell the family of the soccer ref in California that the sucker punch by a 17 year old didn’t really kill their husband/father….

dentarthurdent on July 24, 2013 at 9:43 PM

TXUS on July 24, 2013 at 9:15 PM

What kind of gun is a FN Five-SeveN?

What do you think about a Beretta PX4 Storm, full size?

My husband is thinking about that to carry.

Barred on July 24, 2013 at 9:48 PM

And of course, he’s much safer than the unarmed boy he stalked and killed. Yet there is very little concern over that boy’s safety around these parts.

righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 9:12 PM

The righty44 unit was much funnier.

r-

Del Dolemonte on July 24, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Bullying works.

CurtZHP on July 24, 2013 at 9:59 PM

What kind of gun is a FN Five-SeveN?

What do you think about a Beretta PX4 Storm, full size?

My husband is thinking about that to carry.

Barred on July 24, 2013 at 9:48 PM

The Berry PX4 Storm is a great pistol, still used by a few special ops guys, I think, but it’s heavier in weight than the 5-7 and has a much smaller mag capacity. Requires more skill in handling and placing bullets on target, which they can do in their sleep.

The 5-7 is manufactured in Belgium, which might make one skeptical, not knowing they’ve made guns since the beginning of guns. The key to the 5-7, besides its weight advantage, is that the ammo it uses can penetrate through the typical Kevlar vests that more and more are being worn by criminal assailants these days, not just by cops.

For this reason, and that they are so accurate, many in the Secret Service and police forces carry the 5-7.

I’d recommend to your husband that he range-challenge the two of them before deciding.

TXUS on July 24, 2013 at 10:14 PM

In truth, Zimmerman has done at three positive things recently.

First, he helped save that family.

Second, he reaffirmed the right to self-defense.

Third, he probably saved someone else in thinning the herd when he had no other choice. And I’d feel the same way if the races were reversed. Indeed, I’d be cheering for the black guy sticking up for himself against a white thug.

Time to move on. This is so last weekend.

BuckeyeSam on July 24, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Righty45- no,, I don’t think so. Niether did a jury.

Traycon is quite safe now. He has 6′ of dirt to protect him.

wolly4321 on July 24, 2013 at 10:19 PM

TXUS on July 24, 2013 at 10:14 PM

Thanks for the info. Not real gun savvy here.

Barred on July 24, 2013 at 10:20 PM

***

And of course, he’s much safer than the unarmed boy he stalked and killed. Yet there is very little concern over that boy’s safety around these parts.

righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Two things.

First, as I understand it, Zimmerman’s gun came out only at the end, when he used it. Until then, it was the 6’2, 160 lb young man, high on pot, with the advantage of a sucker punch to the nose and with Zimmerman on his back.

Second, stalking is a loaded term and not at all applicable to this situation. Zimmerman followed him to provide the police as exact a position on Martin as he could. His objective was providing a “20″ for the police. Tracking? Following? Both fine. Stalking? Not a chance. Get a vocabulary if you object.

BuckeyeSam on July 24, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Family rescued by George Zimmerman from car accident cancels press conference in fear of “blowback”

The Left sure does love a good fatwa.

Maybe GZ can bunk up with Salamon Rushdie and that Dutch friend of Mark Steyn who nearly got his head blowed off a while back.

.

Bruno Strozek on July 24, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Never heard of 5 7 by FN. 30% lighter than a 9mm with 20+1?

I might have to look in to this.

Although one shot from a 9mm Kel-Tek seems to work pretty good.

I like my Ruger P95, for now. Been carrying it for years. Great gun. I recommend it for all white hispanics as a carry sidearm.

wolly4321 on July 24, 2013 at 10:42 PM

His safety? What are you talking about. He’s dead.

Precisely. Puts things in perspective, doesn’t it?

In contrast, no one has so much as tried to lay a finger on Zimmerman. And yet AP and various posters here are in hysterics about him supposedly being in grave danger. Why is that?

And for what it’s worth, the jury said Zimmerman shot him to defend himself from deadly force.

Paul-Cincy on July 24, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Actually, no. That’s not what the jury said. The jury said that the prosecution failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman did not act in self defense (or that the killing was otherwise unlawful).

Did this happen after the “not guilty” verdict with that Trayvon guy?

rogerb on July 24, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Roger,

Zimmerman stalked and killed Trayvon. A jury later found that the prosecution failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the killing was unlawful. Happy to clear up any other confusion on your end as would be helpful.

Two things.

First, as I understand it, Zimmerman’s gun came out only at the end, when he used it.

Well, those are the facts as you understand them because they are the facts as Zimmerman (the only living witness to the killing) told them. Something to keep in mind.

Until then, it was the 6’2, 160 lb young man, high on pot, with the advantage of a sucker punch to the nose and with Zimmerman on his back.

Did Trayvon have a right to defend himself? If not, why not? And if he did, then in your view, should he have been killed simply because he was successfully defending himself? If so, why?

Second, stalking is a loaded term and not at all applicable to this situation.

I think it is a fair point that “stalking” is a loaded term (as are “thug,” “sucker punch,” etc). But I don’t see how it is inapplicable to the situation. Zimmerman followed Trayvon around his neighborhood with a gun, for no apparent reason, even after police asked him to stop.

Put yourself in Trayvon’s shoes. You’re walking home to your father’s house in the dead of night, and a strange man in a car is following you. You’re doing nothing wrong. He keeps following you. He has a gun. And he has been told by police to back off, but he refuses to. Would you view that man as a threat? Would you think he is “stalking” you? If not, why not?

righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 10:44 PM

You’re doing nothing wrong. He keeps following you. He has a gun. And he has been told by police to back off, but he refuses to. Would you view that man as a threat? Would you think he is “stalking” you? If not, why not?

righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Baseless assumptions. How would Trayvon know the man had a gun? Zimmerman was a routine presence in that neighborhood. Neighborhood watch. The residents knew him. Trayvon was not a resident. Hence, worthy of a second or third look…by Zimmerman. Dark night, rainy night. A person walking about a neighborhood in a hoodie, thus not subject to casual recognition…stoipping here and there…in the rain…talking on a cell phone. To a good cop, this is called casing, or at least what looks like casing.

And in a neighborhood where there had been numerous thefts and break-ins..that appearance of casing is what drew Zimmerman’s attention.

How would Trayvon know the police had told Zimmerman to back off…they did not, by the way. Ever.

It wasn’t until Rachael Jeantel convinced Trayvon that the “man” was a child rapist or something, was a creeepy ass-cracker [older gay man who preys on younger boys] only then did Trayvon, already home, re-enter the neighborhood, stalk Zimmerman, ambush him, and then in the commission of a hate crime was shot by his intended victim.

beadr

coldwarrior on July 24, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Put yourself in Trayvon’s shoes.

I never took a swing at a bus driver, never been a druggie, never burgled any houses stealing jewelry, and never tried to kill anyone. So how do I put myself in his shoes?

You’re walking home to your father’s house in the dead of night, and a strange man in a car is following you. You’re doing nothing wrong. He keeps following you.

righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Martin was home.

Then Martin went back and attacked Zimmerman.

Martin wasn’t afraid, he was hunting.

sharrukin on July 24, 2013 at 10:57 PM

I can put myself in traycons shoes. I’ve been suspended from school again. I want some weed and need some money to buy it.

Them’s some shoes, too.

Maybe I’ll get me some junk, and case houses.

wolly4321 on July 24, 2013 at 11:01 PM

Maybe I’ll get me some junk, and case houses.

wolly4321 on July 24, 2013 at 11:01 PM

If Trayvon had “junk” he wouldn’t have been dating Jeantel.

coldwarrior on July 24, 2013 at 11:06 PM

Creepy assed cracka needed to be dealt with….

In his community. By a thug that landed there because he was thrown out of school, yet again. For drug possession, and stolen jewelry.

Who is twisting the story???

wolly4321 on July 24, 2013 at 11:11 PM

wolly4321 on July 24, 2013 at 11:11 PM

In court testimony, direct and cross, and in that Piers Morgan circus, Rachel Jeantel, if you listen closely, and look at the other supporting dialog, was not saying creepy assed cracka.

And she never would have mentioned “child rapist” at all, if the concern was about a creepy-assed cracka.

She said, more than once, creepy ass-cracker. [Urban slang...an older gay man who preys on young boys...not to be too graphic, but ass...cracker...]

coldwarrior on July 24, 2013 at 11:18 PM

This is what bothers me most about Obama here. Wasting his moral capital in such a conspicuous way.
Paul-Cincy on July 24, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Hate to point it out, but the LSM will just fire up the printing presses and issue some more (counterfeit) moral capital for Dear Leader to burn through…

CPT. Charles on July 24, 2013 at 11:22 PM

Zimmerman followed Trayvon around his neighborhood with a gun, for no apparent reason, even after police asked him to stop.

righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Another moron shooting its mouth off without knowing the facts and the testimony presented in the trial.

About all that “following”…

Over the course of about two minutes of “following” these are the statements and questions the NEN dispatcher made and asked Zimmerman…

Transcript.

after the [00:42] mark in the call, all the dispatcher talking…Zimmerman’s replies/statements omitted

He’s just walking around the area, the houses? OK.

He’s near the clubhouse now?

Let me know if he does anything, OK?

Just let me know if this guy does anything else.

at the [2:08] mark in the call

He’s running? Which way is he running?

Zimmerman was in his vehicle throughout this. The dispatcher was asking him question he could only answer if he kept Martin in view. He “followed” him in his vehicle at a distance only after Martin went around a bend in the road and he lost sight of him from where he was parked by the clubhouse (from where he initiated the call), which according to all testimony by LE in the trial, is okay.

He exited his vehicle right after he was asked the last question. And then…

Dispatcher: Are you following him? [2:24]

George: Yeah. [2:25]

Dispatcher: OK. We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]

Zimmerman: OK. [2:28]

That’s about 19-20 whole seconds of “following” Martin after leaving his car after Martin disappeared around a corner. And apparently 2 whole seconds of “ignoring” the dispatcher’s advice not to “follow”.

During that 19-20 seconds Zimmerman had no idea where Martin was because he had disappeared around the corner of a building about 200 ft away before he left his vehicle to try to spot Martin again.

The dispatcher did not “ask” Zimmerman to stop. And when he told him “we don’t need you to do that” he stopped following. Almost all evidence and testimony is consistent with Zimmerman’s statement that he stopped trying to get Martin back in sight at that point.

Further, the dispatcher testified the reason for giving this advice is for the safety of the person calling, to protect the person being “followed”. Because the suspicious person reported might do something like confront and viciously and violently attack and assault the person who called the cops.

About the NEN dispatcher’s testimony

Finally, O’Mara (on cross) returned on the point at which the State had suggested that Noffke’s telling Zimmerman, “We don’t need you to do that,” with respect to following Martin suggested that Zimmerman was somewhow disobeying an instruction. O’Mara asked if Noffke could understand how asking Zimmerman, twice, about the direction of Martin’s direction of flight might have been reasonably interpreted as a reason to get out of the car to determine the answer to the question. Noffke responded, “I understand how someone could have misinterpreted the intent of that.”

Further, the prosecution barely touched on the “following” Zimmerman did in his car, because they could not get anyone on LE to say he was doing something he should not have. The prosecution instead preferred to focus on a few words he said while in the car and the fact that he exited the vehicle, in their laughable attempt to prove Murder Two.

And about that “no reason” to follow part. The Sandford PD NWP coordinator and trainer, a black woman who trained Zimmerman and thought highly of him, testified that the behavior Zimmerman observed and described when he called the NEN was “exactly” the kind of behavior that should trigger a call.

farsighted on July 24, 2013 at 11:25 PM

not to protect the person being “followed”.

farsighted on July 24, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Try to imagine what would have happened (yes I know the Secret Service would have stopped it)if Trayvon Martin had tried to mug that sorry excuse of a man, Obama.

Obama: “Oh goooooodie! What big, strong arms you have, you gorgeous hunk!”

MaiDee on July 24, 2013 at 11:28 PM

I’ve lost my way in the urban dictionary world.

Back in the day “cracker” was the guy hired to whip slaves.

Now it’s something different.

I guess it’s true about controlling language.

wolly4321 on July 24, 2013 at 11:32 PM

In contrast, no one has so much as tried to lay a finger on Zimmerman. And yet AP and various posters here are in hysterics about him supposedly being in grave danger. Why is that?

You don’t know a GD thing about this case, do you.

Because he has received a lot of death threats, moron. And the evidence of this is everywhere in the media. The people making threats are not shy about it.

The threats to his life are one of the the reasons Zimmerman and his attorney have filed a major lawsuit against NBC.

Here’s just a sample of the race threats on twitter.

f*ck it. i’ll kill Zimmerman myself.

12:24 PM – 27 Jun 2013

f**********ck Don West. f*ck George Zimmerman . I’ll kill both them n***s

12:12 PM – 27 Jun 2013

Ill kill Zimmerman my self f*ck it—
Jasmine Jones (@_WellDonee) June 27, 2013

“@_WellDonee: Ill kill Zimmerman my self f*ck it”pistol whip the f*ck outta him—
زغردة (@Howie_Doet) June 27, 2013

If they don’t kill Zimmerman Ima kill me a cracka
5:54 PM – 26 Jun 2013

If George Zimmerman win I’m gonna kill a fat white boy dat look lik George Zimmerman I swear lol
9:12 AM – 27 Jun 2013

If Zimmerman win, I’m gonna go kill a white a kid by mistake
2:23 PM – 27 Jun 2013

farsighted on July 24, 2013 at 11:42 PM

wolly4321 on July 24, 2013 at 11:32 PM

A cracka is still a cracker.

An ass-cracker is something totally different.

coldwarrior on July 24, 2013 at 11:46 PM

farsighted on July 24, 2013 at 11:42 PM

Has Eric Holder’s New Black Panther Party lifted its bounty/fatwa to bring in Zimmerman dead or alive?

coldwarrior on July 24, 2013 at 11:47 PM

Farsighted,

Am I right that no one has tried to lay a finger on Zimmerman? It’s a yes or no question. Thanks.

I don’t think the tweets you point to justify your pearl-clutching. People say awful, ignorant things on the Internet regularly. Public figures like Zimmerman receive death threats every day. That does not mean they are in grave danger. Quit the hysterics.

righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 11:52 PM

Am I right that no one has tried to lay a finger on Zimmerman? It’s a yes or no question. Thanks.

righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 11:52 PM

Gosh that’s really generous. After Zimmerman is dead or shot you might be willing to grant that there actually is a threat against him?

sharrukin on July 25, 2013 at 12:00 AM

Put yourself in Trayvon’s shoes. You’re walking home to your father’s house in the dead of night, and a strange man in a car is following you. (1)You’re doing nothing wrong. He keeps following you. (2)He has a gun. (3) And he has been told by police to back off, but he refuses to. (4)Would you view that man as a threat? Would you think he is “stalking” you? If not, why not?

righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 10:44 PM

(1) You don’t know that, and all indications were contrary.
(2) It was concealed so it’s doubtful he knew that until he was on top of GZ trying to kill him.
(3) Trayvon didn’t know what the police were telling GZ on the phone, and if he knew GZ was talking to the police, then all your other assumptions are wrong.
(4) So call the police, you moron!!! Trayvon had a cell phone. If I was in his shoes and meeting all of your BS assumptions, I’D CALL THE GD POLICE!!!!!

But then, none of your assumptions are valid, he didn’t call the police, he was home and went back out to get a piece of that scary @ss cracker following him, and attacked GZ, and as a result – he’s dead. Not guilty. Case closed.

dentarthurdent on July 25, 2013 at 12:03 AM

righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 11:52 PM

Communicating a threat is a felony in a number of states.

Communicating a threat ca/will get you prison time if it is a federal elected official.

Not the act.

Just the threat.

coldwarrior on July 25, 2013 at 12:04 AM

righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 11:52 PM

Even his parents are in hiding because of threats and they said so in an interview. The interviewer did not dispute the validity of the threats against his parents.

Why the hell do you think the jurors do not want their identifies disclosed?

The only juror who gave an interview on TV did it in shadows. An alternate juror who gave an interview did the same thing.

And you seem to think all of these people are hysterical and unreasonably paranoid.

You are either too stupid to have an adult conversation with, or you are trolling, or both.

FO.

farsighted on July 25, 2013 at 12:06 AM

Public figures like Zimmerman receive death threats every day. That does not mean they are in grave danger. Quit the hysterics.

righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 11:52 PM

There are a lot of dead people out there who would disagree – IF they were still alive – because they received threats and either they didn’t act on it or the police ignored it. They’re in the news all the time for anyone other than low info voters to read.

dentarthurdent on July 25, 2013 at 12:07 AM

Appreciate the non-response. Just as good as a yes. Thanks.

righty45 on July 25, 2013 at 12:09 AM

The reason he stayed is because he felt safe. Only in the Cult of White Victimhood, is Zimmerman in danger of his life. People are angry at the justice system. Nobody is wasting time on looking for his a$$.

Death threats are documented against George Zimmerman and his family. It’s fine that you’re completely unconcerned about the death threats. But your perspective would be different if you were George Zimmerman or George Zimmerman’s family.

BTW, why did he felt the need to publicize what every other human being in that position would have done?

Publicize? Even Zimmerman’s lawyers weren’t aware of what he had done. It’s almost like he didn’t think it was all that special.

The family rightly denied him the opportunity. Nobody wants to be used to glamorize a killer.

Salahuddin on July 24, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Why are you changing the subject to Trayvon Martin?

There Goes the Neighborhood on July 25, 2013 at 1:13 AM

And of course, he’s much safer than the unarmed boy he stalked and killed. Yet there is very little concern over that boy’s safety around these parts.

righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Trayvon Martin’s death is on his own head.

Trayvon Martin acted immorally, criminally, and stupidly.

Immorally, because he attacked Zimmerman without provocation. Someone looking at you or calling the police is not provocation.

Criminally, because he assaulted a man, and it was in no way self-defense.

Stupidly, because the man he assaulted was armed and able to defend himself.

I’ll note that acting immorally and criminally were both survivable in this case. But acting stupidly cost Trayvon Martin his life.

There Goes the Neighborhood on July 25, 2013 at 1:16 AM

Trayvon perceives a threat:
 

Put yourself in Trayvon’s shoes. You’re walking home to your father’s house in the dead of night, and a strange man in a car is following you. (1)You’re doing nothing wrong. He keeps following you. (2)He has a gun. (3) And he has been told by police to back off, but he refuses to. (4)Would you view that man as a threat? Would you think he is “stalking” you? If not, why not?
 
righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 10:44 PM

 
Zimmerman perceives a threat:
 

Am I right that no one has tried to lay a finger on Zimmerman? It’s a yes or no question. Thanks.
 
…Public figures like Zimmerman receive death threats every day. That does not mean they are in grave danger. Quit the hysterics.
 
righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 11:52 PM

 
Neat.

rogerb on July 25, 2013 at 6:30 AM

And yet AP and various posters here are in hysterics about him supposedly being in grave danger. Why is that?
 
righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 10:44 PM

 
Probably because there seem to be many people out there with bizarre emotional responses that prevent them from typing “not guilty” and instead prompt phrasing like “the jury later found that the prosecution failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the killing was unlawful”, all while not bothering to inform themselves on even the most basic details of the trial.
 
Sorry, where were we? Something about stalking, right?

rogerb on July 25, 2013 at 6:34 AM

Was it the CNN link that caused the filters to eat my post? Let’s try it again. Sorry if it doubles up, and I’ll check back later.

rogerb on July 25, 2013 at 7:11 AM

Roger,
 
Zimmerman stalked and killed Trayvon. A jury later found that the prosecution failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the killing was unlawful. Happy to clear up any other confusion on your end as would be helpful.

 
Sorry you’re still irritated from our other exchange. Did you think that last sentence would help your credibility?
 
Regardless, words mean things. Was Zimmerman was charged with stalking/unlawful pursuit? It’s a yes or no question. Thanks.
 

Zimmerman stalked and killed Trayvon.

 
And yet in the very same post:
 

I think it is a fair point that “stalking” is a loaded term (as are “thug,” “sucker punch,” etc). But I don’t see how it is inapplicable to the situation. Zimmerman followed Trayvon…

 
You admit using a “loaded” term while admitting you don’t understand how it’s not applicable (hint:charges).
 
You again have no real idea what you’re discussing, and you’re taking a faith-based approach to the case. Nothing more.
 
All the big news outlets covered the story if you need to clear up any other confusion on locations and timelines. And/or read about them for the first time, I suppose.
 
Hey, you know about NBC’s purposeful editing to promote the non-existent “racist” angle, right?
 
Ha. Nah, just kidding. Here’s a link:
 

w w w dot washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2012/12/06/george-zimmerman-sues-nbc-over-trayvon-martin-reports/

rogerb on July 25, 2013 at 7:13 AM

Isn’t it time we start letting individuals know what we’ll do to them if they bring harm to the Zimmermans or anyone they associate with? This road can go both ways.

iceman1960 on July 25, 2013 at 7:19 AM

The most amazing thing to me about the rescue is that he was still in Sanford days after the verdict. I figured he and his defense team had devised a plan long ago to move him to Canada or Mexico or parts unknown in the event of an acquittal.

I don’t think Zimmerman is safe anywhere, because there are leftist lunatics everywhere who would murder Zimmerman out of solidarity. I would guess Zimmerman would be safest in Japan or Russia, but would Japan accept him? Russia’s government would certainly say no. Chile is perhaps the best possible option.

thuja on July 25, 2013 at 7:38 AM

Isn’t it time we start letting individuals know what we’ll do to them if they bring harm to the Zimmermans or anyone they associate with? This road can go both ways.

iceman1960 on July 25, 2013 at 7:19 AM

We can’t win this game that way, because we are too decent. The only murderers associated with the right are “pro-life” ones, and the “pro-life” movement to its credit has successfully stopped such terrorists.

What we can do is start calling Zimmerman a martyr for what he has already suffered from the grievance industry. If he is murdered, we need to start talking about the blood of martyrs. The blood of martyrs still compels even in this secular age.

thuja on July 25, 2013 at 7:44 AM

Ah, the Nation of Fear ™ that we now live in.

So when do the seas start receding again?

You mean the greek columns lied to us?

dissent555 on July 25, 2013 at 7:45 AM

O’Mara’s statement bears repeating, loudly.

Zimmerman “should be [armed] given the threats against him,” O’Mara said. He added, “If I were him I would leave” the country.

I hope Zimmerman takes NBC for 8 figures.

farsighted on July 24, 2013 at 9:40 PM

Hell, I want him to aim higher. Go after NBC for 12 figures and full ownership of MSNBC (so he can be the one who gets to shut it down).

Myron Falwell on July 25, 2013 at 7:57 AM

Even though he was an Obama voter, he would be safe at my house while I was home. However, I would not wish to put the rest of my family in danger during my absence. I know plenty of folks who have a “bring it on” attitude toward the ignorant fools that wish to harm him.

trl on July 25, 2013 at 8:04 AM

If Barack Obama had an automobile accident, his rescuer would look like George Zimmerman.

Glenn Jericho on July 25, 2013 at 8:18 AM

I think it is a fair point that “stalking” is a loaded term (as are “thug,” “sucker punch,” etc). But I don’t see how it is inapplicable to the situation. Zimmerman followed Trayvon around his neighborhood with a gun, for no apparent reason, even after police asked him to stop.

Put yourself in Trayvon’s shoes. You’re walking home to your father’s house in the dead of night, and a strange man in a car is following you. You’re doing nothing wrong. He keeps following you. He has a gun. And he has been told by police to back off, but he refuses to. Would you view that man as a threat? Would you think he is “stalking” you? If not, why not?

righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Lie, lie, straw man, lie. Police did not “ask him to stop”. A 911 dispatcher (who is not a police officer) told him “I don’t need you to do that”, but then continued to ask him questions as to where Martin was and what martin was doing. Regardless, even if “police had told him to stop” (which they did not) he had every right to be on the street.

“for no apparent reason” he followed Travon? He saw a kid wearing the uniform of a local gang, standing in the rain and looking at houses in a neighborhood that had several recent break-ins. You may believe that doesn’t raise suspicion, but honest people disagree with your illogical assumption.

You’re doing nothing wrong. He keeps following you. He has a gun. And he has been told by police to back off, but he refuses to. Would you view that man as a threat? Would you think he is “stalking” you? If not, why not?

A) there is no evidence Trayvon knew Zimmerman had a gun. It was concealed carry. therefore, the most common sense interpretation is that Trayvon did not know. As Trayvon went home and then came back to confront Zimmerman, it is most likely he did not know about the gun – otherwise he would not have confronted Zimerman.

b) Again, no police told him to “back off” or anything of the sort.

c) Again, the evidence is that Martin went home and then decided to go back out and confront Zimmerman.

d) Stalking is a silly description for someone merely observing someone else on a public street. It identifies that you have no interest in the actual facts of the case and want to convict Zimmerman because he is a “white Hispanic” and find Martin did nothing wrong because he is black.

If you are going to argue that Zimmerman is guilty, at least argue using facts and not made up nonsense.

Monkeytoe on July 25, 2013 at 8:43 AM

The reason he stayed is because he felt safe. Only in the Cult of White Victimhood, is Zimmerman in danger of his life. People are angry at the justice system. Nobody is wasting time on looking for his a$$.

BTW, why did he felt the need to publicize what every other human being in that position would have done?
The family rightly denied him the opportunity. Nobody wants to be used to glamorize a killer.

Salahuddin on July 24, 2013 at 8:45 PM

You might want to educate yourself first, before presenting yourself as a flaming lynch mobster intent on murdering an innocent man.

dominigan on July 25, 2013 at 8:58 AM

God Bless America.

Really, what f**king country do we live in again? This thug, line-steeping shiat is way overdue for a “checking”.

Saltyron on July 25, 2013 at 8:59 AM

The reason he stayed is because he felt safe. Only in the Cult of White Victimhood, is Zimmerman in danger of his life. People are angry at the justice system. Nobody is wasting time on looking for his a$$.

BTW, why did he felt the need to publicize what every other human being in that position would have done?
The family rightly denied him the opportunity. Nobody wants to be used to glamorize a killer.

Salahuddin on July 24, 2013 at 8:45 PM

…oh look!…a live…walking a$$hole!

KOOLAID2 on July 25, 2013 at 9:03 AM

Public figures like Zimmerman receive death threats every day. That does not mean they are in grave danger. Quit the hysterics.

righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 11:52 PM

Zimmerman was MADE a public figure by the lynch mobs howling for his blood. And to my knowledge few “public” figures have ever had to deal with bloodthirsty wolves like this before. Name a current public figure that has received as much hate in the last year. I’ll wait for YOUR reply…

In the meantime, try educating yourself on the facts of what happened…

http://www.dlas.org/questions-zimmerman-verdict/

dominigan on July 25, 2013 at 9:05 AM

People say awful, ignorant things on the Internet regularly.

righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 11:52 PM

As you proved for yourself on this thread.

dominigan on July 25, 2013 at 9:09 AM

Did Trayvon have a right to defend himself? If not, why not? And if he did, then in your view, should he have been killed simply because he was successfully defending himself? If so, why?

righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 10:44 PM

The answer is ABOLUTELY NOT, because Trayvon was not defending himself. Please explain to us how Trayvon was defending himself when he initially made it home safely, then decided to go back outside and confront Zimmerman? That’s fact, from the mouth of the prosecution’s own witness. Trayvon was home safe. Had he stayed inside, we wouldn’t be talking about this right now. Trayvon left the house specifically to confront Zimmerman, that makes him the aggressor whether you like it or not.

Pale Rider on July 25, 2013 at 9:12 AM

The thing about ig’nant young Liberal Trolls like Righty is they know that they are right, even when they lie about what happened and their post is a boxcare full of b.s.

kingsjester on July 25, 2013 at 9:16 AM

The thing about ig’nant young Liberal Trolls like Righty is they know that they are right, even when they lie about what happened and their post is a boxcare full of b.s.

kingsjester on July 25, 2013 at 9:16 AM

Gulag and gas-chamber loving collectivist thugs are like that.

ebrown2 on July 25, 2013 at 9:20 AM

Why are the lefties defending a

batterup on July 25, 2013 at 9:23 AM

Put yourself in Trayvon’s shoes. You’re walking home to your father’s house in the dead of night, and a strange man in a car is following you. (1)You’re doing nothing wrong. He keeps following you. (2)He has a gun. (3) And he has been told by police to back off, but he refuses to. (4)Would you view that man as a threat? Would you think he is “stalking” you? If not, why not?

righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Ok, putting myself in Trayvon’s shoes. Ready? Here we go….

I’m walking home to my father’s house in the dead of night and I see a strange man in a car following me. I’m doing nothing wrong, but he keeps following me. I do not know if he is armed or unarmed because I don’t own a crystal ball. I don’t know if he has called police on me, if he’s trying to harrass me, or looking to rob and rape me. I view him as a threat, so I run home. I make it home! Thank God, I made it home! I am now safe. The first thing I do is tell an adult that a man followed me home and that I’m scared. If there is no adult home at the time, I call the police.

The last thing I do is go back outside like an effin’ retard to confront the person. Then again, I didn’t make it to the age of 17 by being a reckless teenager with a thug mentality.

Pale Rider on July 25, 2013 at 9:23 AM

Why are the lefties defending a guy (Trayvon) whose planned gay beat down went wrong?

Would they be calling for his imprisonment if he had beaten the suspected gay (Zimmerman) to death?

batterup on July 25, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Did Trayvon have a right to defend himself? If not, why not? And if he did, then in your view, should he have been killed simply because he was successfully defending himself? If so, why?

Second, stalking is a loaded term and not at all applicable to this situation.
I think it is a fair point that “stalking” is a loaded term (as are “thug,” “sucker punch,” etc). But I don’t see how it is inapplicable to the situation. Zimmerman followed Trayvon around his neighborhood with a gun, for no apparent reason, even after police asked him to stop.

righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Defend himself against what? being followed? There’s no indication George even threw a punch at Trayvon.

George also clearly says “OKAY” when they tell him to stop following him. Why does everybody forget that part?

Wagthatdog on July 25, 2013 at 9:28 AM

George also clearly says “OKAY” when they tell him to stop following him. Why does everybody forget that part?

Wagthatdog on July 25, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Oh it’s not forgotten, it’s CONVENIENTLY IGNORED.

Pale Rider on July 25, 2013 at 9:31 AM

George also clearly says “OKAY” when they tell him to stop following him. Why does everybody forget that part?

Wagthatdog on July 25, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Oh it’s not forgotten, it’s CONVENIENTLY IGNORED.

Pale Rider on July 25, 2013 at 9:31 AM

Just another component of the Nazi “Big Lie” techniques being used in this case by the thug-justifiers and apologists for “gang life.”

ebrown2 on July 25, 2013 at 9:34 AM

Did Trayvon have a right to defend himself? If not, why not? And if he did, then in your view, should he have been killed simply because he was successfully defending himself? If so, why?

He had a right to jump a guy who was following him at a distance and proceed to beat the guy’s head into the sidewalk? How is that self-defense?

Per Jeantel, Martin went all the way home before he decided to come back and jump the creepy ass-cracker.

Missy on July 25, 2013 at 9:35 AM

Put yourself in Trayvon’s shoes. You’re walking home to your father’s house in the dead of night, and a strange man in a car is following you. You’re doing nothing wrong. He keeps following you. He has a gun. And he has been told by police to back off, but he refuses to. Would you view that man as a threat? Would you think he is “stalking” you? If not, why not?

righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Still no reason to jump somebody….

Wagthatdog on July 25, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Did Trayvon have a right to defend himself? If not, why not? And if he did, then in your view, should he have been killed simply because he was successfully defending himself? If so, why?

righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Defend himself against what, exactly? Being looked at on a public street? Being observed on a public street?

Is it truly your position that if someone looks at you wrong, you are allowed to physically attack them and beat their head into the curb? Because that is exactly the position you are taking.

Talk about evil ignorance.

the left’s newest “right” – the right to physically assault anyone who looks at you wrong.

Monkeytoe on July 25, 2013 at 9:36 AM

George also clearly says “OKAY” when they tell him to stop following him. Why does everybody forget that part?

Wagthatdog on July 25, 2013 at 9:28 AM

I know we’re on the same side in this, but let’s be clear – nobody told Zimmerman to stop following Martin. All the dispatcher said was “I don’t need you to do that.” And – the dispatcher has no authority to order anyone to stop watching someone on public street anyway.

The myth that Zimmerman was ordered to stop following Martin has to be killed – that lie is about 90% of the left’s “argument” as to why Zimmerman was allegedly in the wrong.

Monkeytoe on July 25, 2013 at 9:39 AM

Did you hear Shepard Smith’s absurd comment on it ?

“And the family cancelled the press conference because they didn’t want to be associated with Trayvon’s killer”

Arssanguinus on July 25, 2013 at 9:44 AM

Monkeytoe on July 25, 2013 at 9:39 AM

Absolutely, that’s all they have and it’s a complete fabrication.

Wagthatdog on July 25, 2013 at 9:44 AM

And of course, he’s much safer than the unarmed boy he stalked and killed. Yet there is very little concern over that boy’s safety around these parts. righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Akzed on July 25, 2013 at 9:44 AM

Did Trayvon have a right to defend himself?

From what? No one has offered any evidence that he was assaulted. Are you at all aware of any of the facts in this case whatsoever?

If not, why not?

Because the right to self-defense does not include a right to assault people for following or “confronting” you.

And if he did, then in your view, should he have been killed simply because he was successfully defending himself? If so, why?

righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 10:44 PM

He didn’t. Trayvon Martin was not defending himself. There is no evidence to support the proposition that he was.

Once more for the terminally slow:

1. You DO have the right to follow, confront, or otherwise lawfully interact with a person, regardless of whether or not a dispatcher says that you don’t “have to”, or whether its a “good idea” or “wise”.

2. You DO NOT have the right to physically assault someone, simply because they exercised their right to come and go where they please.

3. You DO have a right to defend against such an assault, using deadly force if necessary to eliminate a credible threat to your life, e.g., a person on top of you punching you in the face, as happened per eye-witness testimony.

4. You DO NOT have a right to threaten the life or physical safety of a person, or to threaten general violence, and people who make such threats pose a serious danger to our freedom of speech and public discourse, as they create a chilling effect, as has happened hear. This very story reports, directly, that this has had a chilling effect on people unrelated to Zimmerman, who are now afraid to publicly speak out on his behalf even after he saved their lives. That is not a side remark – that is the main topic of this post. It’s in the damned title!

Which of these things do you not understand? And how can you call yourself a “righty” without such understanding?

RINO in Name Only on July 25, 2013 at 9:45 AM

It’s a sad state of affairs, when a family cant even thank the man who saved them, in fear of retaliation.

Zexerz on July 25, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Did you hear Shepard Smith’s absurd comment on it ?

“And the family cancelled the press conference because they didn’t want to be associated with Trayvon’s killer”

Arssanguinus on July 25, 2013 at 9:44 AM

Um, if they didn’t want to be associated with Zimmerman, I’m guessing they never would have scheduled the press conference in the first place.

Shep is loathsome.

I hope the family will at least issue a statement.

Missy on July 25, 2013 at 9:50 AM

Put yourself in Trayvon’s shoes. You’re walking home to your father’s house in the dead of night, and a strange man in a car is following you. You’re doing nothing wrong. He keeps following you. He has a gun.

Trayvon didn’t know Zimmerman had a gun.

Trayvon only found that out after he had punched Zimmerman in the face unprovoked and had broken Zimmerman’s nose and was slamming his head into the pavement.

Keep up.

Good Lt on July 25, 2013 at 9:51 AM

It’s a sad state of affairs, when a family cant even thank the man who saved them, in fear of retaliation.

Zexerz on July 25, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Retaliation from mostly peaceful Democrat lynch mobs.

Good Lt on July 25, 2013 at 9:52 AM

FAR LEFT TX ACTIVIST Apologizes for Smearing Pro-Zimmerman Group With Hateful Racist Sign

I’m sure that she would have apologized anyway, even had she not been caught.

Akzed on July 25, 2013 at 10:02 AM

Did Trayvon have a right to defend himself? If not, why not? And if he did, then in your view, should he have been killed simply because he was successfully defending himself? If so, why?

righty45 on July 24, 2013 at 10:44 PM

As an aside, how on earth is it that even now, you remain so unaware of even the basic facts of this case? This is one of the most widely reported stories out there, and while plenty of opinion writers are flagrantly misstating the facts, it’s pretty easy to find direct news accounts of the actual witness testimony.

Your knowledge of the facts of this case appears roughly on par with that of a typical YouTube commenter.

RINO in Name Only on July 25, 2013 at 10:05 AM

George can come up my way and he would be safe from all the Obama’s here in MT. The New Black Panthers are panzies. They put the bounty out because they are chicken shitz. But no fear GZ will get the Govt. heart attack like Andrew B. did. If you don’t think our Govt. isn’t killing journalists like Putin, then why are they tapping their phones?

RAIDER on July 25, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Obviously the family is not afraid of Tea Party members, they are afraid of the intolerant left, see “Lynch Mobs,” above. A woman called a talk radio show I listen to, and she said her preacher was going on about injustice and recounted a Trayvon story that is not the one you know if you were annoyed but followed it on TV. “Innocent boy, yes boy, attacked by a white man for drinking iced tea and buying his brother candy.” The media allows that to stand.

Let’s feel for Trayvon’s parents. The night he died, their son lied to his parents and said he wanted to get his brother some candy when really he needed to rendezvous at the 7/11 store to get high. Can you imagine they wish they said, don’t go out, we know you want to get high, stay away from the drug dealers? That feeling will never go away for them. They alone, knew whatever juvenile crimes that were concealed for the trail. They were told the medical evidence said he lied to them that night to go out. He played them for fools with a promise of candy for a little brother. I don’t know if the parents were aware of the break ins and burglary by people wearing hoodies, but the next wish I have if I am the parents is, I wish he didn’t go there looking like a hood. He could have worn anything else, a coat, a jacket, and why did he go thru a gated community where they had breakins? He could have just walked around it, he was healthy and had long legs for the walk.

The media has not told the low information voters anything except what Jesse Jackson, imperfect individual tells them. Jackson and his family really have lost all credibility, for truth anyway. And there at church is the pastor repeating his phoney made up story. And calling Zimmerman, a white man. And other bigots at the start, thinking he was a Jew from Florida. And that can’t be overlooked as how this whole thing got started. To quote Holder, “we don’t have the courage” to ask the hard questions when the media wants to write the narrative.

Fleuries on July 25, 2013 at 10:14 AM

If I were Zimmerman’s attorney’s, I would send registered letters to Sharpton, Jackson, Ben Justice (NAACP), etc, stating quite clearly that their speeches and comments are being recorded and closely monitored and that if they utter even a single violent word against their climate and those words result in any physical harm or proerty damage whatsoever, there will be lawsuits.

That won’t stop the liberal nut-jobs on Twitter, but the goons at the top of all this are smart enough (or lawyered up enough) to know that what they say can and will cost them.

powerpickle on July 25, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Why would a car accident require a press conference anyway?

libfreeordie on July 25, 2013 at 10:24 AM

et’s feel for Trayvon’s parents. The night he died, their son lied to his parents and said he wanted to get his brother some candy when really he needed to rendezvous at the 7/11 store to get high.

What?!? Where is this bit of fantasy coming from. The toxicology report indicated that Trayvon had marijuana in his system, but marijuana is detectable in the body for weeks after one consumers and long, long after THC is no longer active in the blood stream.

Or in the words of Dr. Carl Hart, Columbia University neuroscientist:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/12/opinion/reefer-madness-an-unfortunate-redux.html?_r=2&

As a neuropsychopharmacologist who has spent 15 years studying the neurophysiological, psychological and behavioral effects of marijuana, I find this line of reasoning laughable. The toxicology exam, which was conducted the morning after Mr. Martin was killed, found a mere 1.5 nanograms per milliliter of blood of tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, in his body. This strongly suggests he had not ingested marijuana for at least 24 hours. This is also far below the THC levels that I have found necessary, in my experimental research on dozens of subjects, to induce intoxication: between 40 and 400 nanograms per milliliter. In fact, his THC levels were significantly lower than the sober, baseline levels of about 14 nanograms per milliliter of many of my patients, who are daily users. Mr. Martin could not have been intoxicated with marijuana at the time of the shooting; the amount of THC found in his system was too low for it to have had any meaningful effect on him.

libfreeordie on July 25, 2013 at 10:27 AM

HOW DOES ANYONE HERE KNOW TRAYVON MARTIN MADE IT HOME AND THEN DOUBLED BACK TO CONFRONT GEORGE ZIMMERMAN?

I keep reading that on HotAir threads and want to know where I can verify it.

The Bringer on July 25, 2013 at 10:28 AM

George also clearly says “OKAY” when they tell him to stop following him. Why does everybody forget that part?

Wagthatdog on July 25, 2013 at 9:28 AM

I know we’re on the same side in this, but let’s be clear – nobody told Zimmerman to stop following Martin. All the dispatcher said was “I don’t need you to do that.” And – the dispatcher has no authority to order anyone to stop watching someone on public street anyway.

The myth that Zimmerman was ordered to stop following Martin has to be killed – that lie is about 90% of the left’s “argument” as to why Zimmerman was allegedly in the wrong.

Monkeytoe on July 25, 2013 at 9:39 AM

Plus, it is against the PD’s policies for dispatchers to try to give such orders. From reporting on the dispatchers testimony during the trial.

The State also asked Noffke why he didn’t simply order Zimmerman not to follow Martin–giving the lie, by the way, to the enduring myth that Zimmerman followed Martin contrary to police orders–and Noffke answered that it was against policy because it could make them liable for the consequences.

That was a question asked by the state on direct of their own witness. The state in phrasing their question conceded the dispatcher did not order Zimmerman.

The dispatcher explicitly said that dispatchers are not supposed to give orders. And that they are not cops and do not have the authority to give orders.

Nevertheless, the Left will continue to spread the lies that Zimmerman was told not to exit his vehicle (he wasn’t), that Zimmerman was ordered to stop following (he wasn’t), and that he ignored those orders (he said he stopped “following” someone he had lost sight of when told by the PD they did “not need for him to do that”, and the evidence and testimony is consistent with that — he took the advice). The lies will be repeated over and over again until the sheeple assume they are true.

They even continue telling those lies on HA.

And then there is the new lie introduced on this thread — Zimmerman is in no real danger. I hope NBC tries to argue that in court, so that O’Mara can destroy that claim in a court of law. But I doubt NBC will even try to claim that. They will try to argue they should not be held responsible for any danger Zimmerman is in, conceding the point that he is at risk, while negotiating and trying to offer Zimmerman an out of court settlement.

If it’s no big deal and did not place Zimmerman in danger, why did NBC fire the individual(s) responsible for editing the NEN call tape to make Zimmerman sound like a racial profiler? Why not slap them on the wrist as if it was no different than editing down to its essence a call reporting a pot hole?

farsighted on July 25, 2013 at 10:28 AM

2. You DO NOT have the right to physically assault someone, simply because they exercised their right to come and go where they please.

Essential to the white supremacist fantasy of Trayvon’s murder is the notion that black men and boys do not have the right to feel threatened in any circumstance. If the law simply says that one must have a “reasonable fear” to defend yourself, then there’s nothing to suggest that Trayvon had no reasonable fear of Zimmerman. This is why the right has tried to smear Trayvon as a “street thug,” doing so makes it easier for them to elide the fact that the law indicates Trayvon had a right to stand his ground as well.

More evidence of the way our society treats black and white juvenile behavior differently:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/22/media-kids-racial-stereotypes_n_3624740.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false#sb=4991416b=facebook

libfreeordie on July 25, 2013 at 10:30 AM

HOW DOES ANYONE HERE KNOW TRAYVON MARTIN MADE IT HOME AND THEN DOUBLED BACK TO CONFRONT GEORGE ZIMMERMAN?

I keep reading that on HotAir threads and want to know where I can verify it.

The Bringer on July 25, 2013 at 10:28 AM

Absolutely none of them have evidence of that claim. But it comforts them to repeat it.

libfreeordie on July 25, 2013 at 10:31 AM

2. You DO NOT have the right to physically assault someone, simply because they exercised their right to come and go where they please.

Essential to the white supremacist fantasy of Trayvon’s murder is the notion that black men and boys do not have the right to feel threatened in any circumstance. If the law simply says that one must have a “reasonable fear” to defend yourself, then there’s nothing to suggest that Trayvon had no reasonable fear of Zimmerman. This is why the right has tried to smear Trayvon as a “street thug,” doing so makes it easier for them to elide the fact that the law indicates Trayvon had a right to stand his ground as well.

More evidence of the way our society treats black and white juvenile behavior differently:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/22/media-kids-racial-stereotypes_n_3624740.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false#sb=4991416b=facebook

libfreeordie on July 25, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Short translation of our local fascist’s filthy assault apologia:

“Jews have no right to observe their betters.”

ebrown2 on July 25, 2013 at 10:35 AM

Essential to the white supremacist fantasy of Trayvon’s murder is the notion that black men and boys do not have the right to feel threatened in any circumstance. If the law simply says that one must have a “reasonable fear” to defend yourself, then there’s nothing to suggest that Trayvon had no reasonable fear of Zimmerman. This is why the right has tried to smear Trayvon as a “street thug,” doing so makes it easier for them to elide the fact that the law indicates Trayvon had a right to stand his ground as well.

libfreeordie on July 25, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Jeantel was clear in her testimony that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman after she suggested he was a gay rapist. Zimmerman was a victim of a gay bashing. I am disgusted by libfreeordie’s homophobia.

thuja on July 25, 2013 at 10:36 AM

The night he died, their son lied to his parents and said he wanted to get his brother some candy when really he needed to rendezvous at the 7/11 store to get high.

What?!? Where is this bit of fantasy coming from.

libfreeordie on July 25, 2013 at 10:27 AM

Martin himself.

http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/lean-2-e1337766657695.jpg

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lean

sharrukin on July 25, 2013 at 10:36 AM

Why would a car accident require a press conference anyway?

libfreeordie on July 25, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Because when a racist white Hispanic who has been made as infamous a killer as Manson, saves people from a car wreck, it is news. “Pressers” is how events of complexity and interest to the media are handled.

You can sign for a journalism course for more information on this.

After you learn to read and write, if necessary.

IlikedAUH2O on July 25, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Jeantel was clear in her testimony that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman after she suggested he was a gay rapist.

Quotes and transcripts please.

libfreeordie on July 25, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Because when a racist white Hispanic who has been made as infamous a killer as Manson, saves people from a car wreck, it is news.

What is it news of, exactly?

libfreeordie on July 25, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Essential to the white supremacist fantasy of Trayvon’s murder is the notion that black men and boys do not have the right to feel threatened in any circumstance. If the law simply says that one must have a “reasonable fear” to defend yourself, then there’s nothing to suggest that Trayvon had no reasonable fear of Zimmerman. This is why the right has tried to smear Trayvon as a “street thug,” doing so makes it easier for them to elide the fact that the law indicates Trayvon had a right to stand his ground as well.

libfreeordie on July 25, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Jeantel was clear in her testimony that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman after she suggested he was a gay rapist. Zimmerman was a victim of a gay bashing. I am disgusted by libfreeordie’s homophobia.

thuja on July 25, 2013 at 10:36 AM

That has as least as much validity as the Nazi-style “Big Lies” that slavenowandie’s peddling in this thread.

ebrown2 on July 25, 2013 at 10:39 AM

HOW DOES ANYONE HERE KNOW TRAYVON MARTIN MADE IT HOME AND THEN DOUBLED BACK TO CONFRONT GEORGE ZIMMERMAN?

I keep reading that on HotAir threads and want to know where I can verify it.

The Bringer on July 25, 2013 at 10:28 AM

The young man was apparently missing for four minutes and had time to go home or just leave the area.

He could have been doing anything.

IlikedAUH2O on July 25, 2013 at 10:42 AM

Here’s what I’ve have been saying about Zimmerman’s heroism.

I have no doubt that many Klan members were kind to their families, helped their neighbors in times of need and even engaged in acts of genuine heroism for their fellows. We really have to move beyond thinking about racism as an all encompassing evil which eradicates an individual’s relationship to humanity. Quite the contrary, racism is all about strengthening community bonds, it is all about protecting an imagined notion of community and guaranteeing a stable and prosperous future for those children one imagines as part of one’s heritage. So we shouldn’t be surprised, persuaded or interested in the fact that George Zimmerman helped a family dealing with a car accident. There’s no evidence that I have seen that humanism, in and of itself, is opposed to racism. If we start thinking about racism as both systemic and *strategic,* and we start talking openly about the goals of racism and less about racism’s “morality” we may get somewhere. Zimmerman wasn’t a rabid hating dog, which is the image too many people conjure up when they think “racist.” He was someone who thought he was “protecting his community.” What needs to be investigated is the very notion of “community” and what Zimmerman thinks he is protecting and where he locates threats. So let him save all the people he wants from car wrecks, it is wholly irrelevant to what happened to Trayvon Martin.

libfreeordie on July 25, 2013 at 10:43 AM

In her testimony, Rachel Jeantel said that Martin told her he was at the front of his home.

If true, then how did he then wind up BACK at the “T” where Zimmerman was? Where the confrontation/fight took place.

If Martin was fearful of Zimmerman, all he had to do was walk the 80 yards to his home, go in, lock the door, and call police or his Mom or Dad.

But if Jeantel is correct, then he apparently went to his home and then went back to where Zimmerman was.

That’s very odd behavior for someone who is afraid.

Again, if this is all true.

SteveMG on July 25, 2013 at 10:44 AM

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