Pelosi: We might force a House vote on the Gang of Eight immigration bill

posted at 6:01 pm on July 23, 2013 by Allahpundit

It’s not quite true that nothing reaches the floor of the House without the Speaker’s say-so. If the minority leader can get a clear majority to sign a discharge petition, guaranteeing passage of the underlying bill, she can force the Speaker’s hand.

Luckily, Pelosi can’t make that happen on the Gang of Eight bill without getting 18 Republicans to sign, and that’s impossible. Or is it?

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi told donors at an Organizing for Action event Monday night that Democratic leadership in the House was weighing a discharge petition that would bring the Senate immigration bill directly to the floor for a vote.

Pelosi was asked about the legislative strategy during a dinner with about 70 supporters of the advocacy group, which grew out of the president’s re-election campaign. She said leadership was still deciding to press forward with the legislative maneuver, noting that doing so would take 30 legislative days…

But the maneuver is seen as a direct rebuke of House leadership, and it would be tough to find [18] GOP defectors who both support the bill and would be willing to upset leadership.

Would it be tough? Not if you believe Democratic “Gang of Seven” member Luis Gutierrez:

And so what Barack Obama kept saying to me and Speaker Pelosi and everybody, every time we’d say, “Let’s organize for comprehensive immigration reform,” so they said, “Oh, slow down Luis. There aren’t 218 votes. Why don’t you just go away? Go find yourself 45, 50 Republicans and when you’ve found them, organize them, right? And have them ready to join the Democrats? Not that we’re going to help you in any way to galvanize that. Come back and talk to us.”

Well guess what? I’m back. They’re here. The 45, 50 Republicans that we were always looking for — they’re present. And they’re present and they’re embodied in Carter, and they’re embodied in Paul Ryan, and in Sam Johnson, and in [Rep. Mario] Diaz-Balart [R-Fla.], who has been wonderful. He’s been very good, very upfront and I think has helped to give hope, especially as we communicate with immigrants and the Latino community, and they see the two of us working together.

Even if he’s exaggerating for effect, does anyone on either side doubt that one-tenth of the GOP caucus would be willing to vote yes on the Schumer/Rubio disaster in the name of outreach to Latino voters? Boehner himself would vote yes, I suspect, if he thought it wouldn’t cost him his Speakership. The whole question here, then, is whether there are 18 purple-district Republicans who are not only willing to brave the wrath of conservatives back home but who think the GOP’s House leadership wouldn’t punish them too terribly for voting with the Dems. Is there any scenario where those 18 might emerge?

Actually, yeah, maybe. No Republican’s going to sign Pelosi’s petition right now, I think, because the GOP caucus hasn’t had a chance to come up with a bill yet. It’s one thing to knife your own caucus in the back, it’s another to knife them in the back while they’re busy working on their own plan. If 18 GOPers sign now, it means the ball is stripped from Boehner’s hands before Republicans have had a chance to cross the goal line. If, however, the House passes something and then the conference with the Senate goes nowhere, leaving the fate of comprehensive reform in peril, maybe then there’ll be 18 Republicans who decide to salvage the process by rubber-stamping the Gang bill. That’s not a takeaway, they’ll say, that’s picking up a fumble. They’ve got cover from Marco Rubio to pass it, don’t they? He’s a true-blue “tea-party conservative” and he thinks the Senate bill’s just fab, right?

In fact, if you assume that the Republican leadership in the House is basically pro-amnesty, a Pelosi-led discharge petition is an ideal way to get reform passed with minimal conservative backlash. If Boehner brings the bill to the floor, conservatives in the caucus will probably depose him; if Pelosi brings it to the floor, well, whaddaya gonna do? The one wrinkle in doing it that way is that it would let Democrats claim that they passed the bill by themselves, more or less, since nearly all House Republicans opposed it. That defeats the purpose of immigration reform as a big GOP outreach measure to Latinos. But the GOP could counter that by suddenly pushing Rubio back out front and center to do another media tour and claim credit (not unreasonably) for having made this thing happen in the Senate. Whether he’d want to do that given the heat he’s taken from righties is unclear, but since he’s already in for a penny, he might as well go in for a pound. He voted for the Gang of Eight crap; it’ll be held against him whether he congratulates the House for voting for it too or not. Might as well gamble on embracing it.


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Rookio™ lied to his constituents. Primary and purge.

Bmore on July 23, 2013 at 6:04 PM

In fact, if you assume that the Republican leadership in the House is basically pro-amnesty, a Pelosi-led discharge petition is an ideal way to get reform passed with minimal conservative backlash. If Boehner brings the bill to the floor, conservatives in the caucus will probably depose him; if Pelosi brings it to the floor, well, whaddaya gonna do?

C’mon, AP. The GOP is the stupid party, but they’re not THAT stupid. If the Senate bill gets passed in the House by a handful of Republicans and nearly every Dem voting for it, the Republican Party will get destroyed in 2014 and beyond. If that were to happen….and it was because Nancy Pelosi and 18 or so Republicans forced Boehner’s hand, they may as well not even field any candidates in future elections. That would make a mockery of Boehner’s leadership which is saying something considering how low he’s already set the bar.

Doughboy on July 23, 2013 at 6:06 PM

If they’re going to cave, and they will, At least get E-Verify out of it.

FlaMurph on July 23, 2013 at 6:09 PM

Boehner can still block the move by blue slipping the Senate bill. (Not that he wouldn’t back down as he is apt to do.)

blammm on July 23, 2013 at 6:10 PM

The political class of this country truly is rotten to the core.

Travis Bickle on July 23, 2013 at 6:12 PM

If 18 GOPers sign now, it means the ball is stripped from Boehner’s hands BY HIS OWN TEAM MEMBERS before Republicans have had a chance to cross the goal line.


FIFY, AP
- you left a key phrase out

Under the circunstances you are describing, Speaker Boehner will become Mr. Boehner probably before the Gang of Eight bill gets a vote on the House floor.

And the Republican Party is guaranteed to disintegrate just in time for the 2014 elections.

PolAgnostic on July 23, 2013 at 6:14 PM

Believe it.

As much as I can’t stand Piglosi, she’s got twice the b@lls and three times the spine of Boner.

socalcon on July 23, 2013 at 6:14 PM

What a lousy thread.

They can’t force a House vote on this Senate, because there is revenue in the Senate bill.

The Constitution says that all bills that have revenue must originate in the House.

So, this bill would be struck down by the courts pretty quickly.

sentinelrules on July 23, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Every single charlatan in congress is up for re-election in 2014.

If the illegal immigration bill is voted through by congress Pelosi will be speaker in 2015. You can take this to the bank.

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Nancy Pelosi comes from a Congressional District that is more concerned about protecting ILLEGAL Aliens who have been ARRESTED, than in protecting American Citizens and Legal Residents!

From TODAY’S San Francsico Examiner:

S.F. officials want city to stop detaining people on federal immigration holds

A San Francisco lawmaker wants to prohibit local law enforcement from holding undocumented immigrants at the request of federal authorities who then pick them up for deportation proceedings.

Supervisor John Avalos is stepping into the immigration-reform debate with legislation that would stop San Francisco from honoring immigration holds, or detainers, that are part of a controversial federal program called Secure Communities, or S-Comm.

Under the federal program, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement reviews fingerprints of people who are arrested by local law enforcement agencies. ICE can request that law enforcement place an immigration hold on the person for up to 48 hours to allow the federal agency time to pick up the detained person for possible deportation.

The supervisor plans to unveil the proposal today at noon outside of City Hall. He says he has secured the support of seven colleagues on the Board of Supervisors, which would make the legislation able to withstand a mayoral veto.

Sheriff Ross Mirkarimi said he supports the proposed prohibition.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/sf-officials-want-city-to-stop-detaining-people-on-federal-immigration-holds/Content?oid=2519169

Democrats and Liberals SUPPORT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!

wren on July 23, 2013 at 6:18 PM

This is line-in-the-sand territory!! Anyone who caves at this point needs to get voted out, or will we all cave to fear mongering again and prove ourselves the stupid and stubborn Charlie Browns the elites believe us to be?

abobo on July 23, 2013 at 6:19 PM

The GOP is the stupid party, but they’re not THAT stupid.

Doughboy on July 23, 2013 at 6:06 PM

I am scalpeling this remark out of context because I am going OT here and this expresses it perfectly.

I am not sure that Boehner is even in charge any more, other than in name. The GOP is fronted by a bunch of deal brokers (McStrawberries and his sidekick in the Senate are the most preeminent examples).
I think that Washington is being run by something that resembles the mob instead of civilians who serve.

I don’t consider myself a Republican anymore, and all these people who are calling me up in this new political fundraising season are getting the message.

RushBaby on July 23, 2013 at 6:20 PM

So, this bill would be struck down by the courts pretty quickly.

sentinelrules on July 23, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Where have I heard this before?

esr1951 on July 23, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Well, at least Nanzi is hoping…

d1carter on July 23, 2013 at 6:21 PM

If I had a son, he would look like Marco Rubio. – Nancy Peolsi

VorDaj on July 23, 2013 at 6:23 PM

The repubs need to reach across the aisle more. That will show good faith and a willingness to compromise, causing the dems to give in and see the other side of the issues.
//.

Almost the entire republican party.

Mimzey on July 23, 2013 at 6:23 PM

there’s that 16 degrees of convolution again

I’d say let the dems coalesce as many members as they can and try to get a vote with a bunch of GOPers stringing them to get them excited. Let the dems lose the vote with only their members voting for amnesty.

Its polling at about 70/20 against. Legal immigrants don’t want it and I bet that’s especially true with Hispanic ones. Blacks don’t want it. Who’s pushing for this other than wild-eyed dem strategists and a few liberal GOP senators?

DanMan on July 23, 2013 at 6:23 PM

I think that Washington is being run by something that resembles the mob instead of civilians who serve.

I don’t consider myself a Republican anymore, and all these people who are calling me up in this new political fundraising season are getting the message.

RushBaby on July 23, 2013 at 6:20 PM

I think you’re right.

Mimzey on July 23, 2013 at 6:24 PM

*sigh*

22044 on July 23, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Looks like all that NSA and IRS info the Dems have accumulated is going to come in handy over the next few months as they have conversations like…..say Representative, you don’t want your constituents to hear about……..

devolvingtowardsidiocracy on July 23, 2013 at 6:26 PM

So, this bill would be struck down by the courts pretty quickly.

sentinelrules on July 23, 2013 at 6:17 PM

What difference would striking down the bill make, if the courts rule on the bill AFTER millions of ILLEGAL aliens have been legalized?

Does anybody think that it would be possible to reverse the legalization of millions of ILLEGAL aliens?

wren on July 23, 2013 at 6:26 PM

Boehner needs to blue slip this travesty NOW. By not doing so, he’s playing into Pelosi’s hand. It really appears he and establishment want to see what the party’s viability is WITHOUT conservatives.

voiceofreason on July 23, 2013 at 6:28 PM

Life is more fun for the Donk Ruling Class.

Most of the stuff they believe is completely batsh*t crazy, but you have to give them credit: they draw a line in the sand and fight for what they believe. No half measures.

The GOP Ruling Class – they’re mushy, guaranteed to cave and boring to boot.

Bruno Strozek on July 23, 2013 at 6:28 PM

wren on July 23, 2013 at 6:26 PM

Ok, even before the courts, unless it’s a hard-line petition, the Senate bill could be amended well before a House vote.

Just let Steve King add the amendments.

sentinelrules on July 23, 2013 at 6:29 PM

This should not happen..Boehner should fight this tooth and nail..:)

Dire Straits on July 23, 2013 at 6:31 PM

If they’re going to cave, and they will, At least get E-Verify out of it.

FlaMurph on July 23, 2013 at 6:09 PM

The only guaranteed part of the bill is the Amnesty part.

dogsoldier on July 23, 2013 at 6:32 PM

The GOP Ruling Class – they’re mushy, guaranteed to cave and boring to boot.

Bruno Strozek on July 23, 2013 at 6:28 PM

They’re mostly liberal and or stupid to boot.

dogsoldier on July 23, 2013 at 6:33 PM

So, this bill would be struck down by the courts pretty quickly.

sentinelrules on July 23, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Where have I heard this before?

esr1951 on July 23, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Exactly what I was thinking. I can just imagine the so-called logic: The House passed it so it must not really be a tax as defined by Congress …but you will still pay.

Fenris on July 23, 2013 at 6:33 PM

It’s one thing to knife your own caucus in the back, it’s another to knife them in the back while they’re busy working on their own plan. If 18 GOPers sign now, it means the ball is stripped from Boehner’s hands before Republicans have had a chance to cross the goal line.

That’s not a goal line. That’s a cliff into a bottomless chasm. If the House GOP does ANYTHING to move forward ANY PART of legalizing illegals or anything that has to do with immigration or illegals, at all, then they have signed their political death warrants. Now, I don’t put idiotic, anti-American, suicidal tendencies past the cowardly idiots in the GOP … but let’s just be clear on what you’re talking about with this silly “goal line” stuff.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 23, 2013 at 6:36 PM

Would every Dem in the House vote for the Senate bill? There might be a half dozen or so still left who would vote against. If so, they would need more than 18 GOP traitors.

Mark1971 on July 23, 2013 at 6:42 PM

It’s never going to happen. Pelosi is the biggest liar and piece of sh** known to man. I can’t believe this is even being discussed the senate bill willl NEVER become law.

Ta111 on July 23, 2013 at 6:44 PM

If the situation were reversed, the Dems would let the Senate bill be forced to the floor and then hold together to defeat the bill. The stray cat party just wants to be loved.

Whiterock on July 23, 2013 at 6:45 PM

If Boehner brings the bill to the floor, conservatives in the caucus will probably depose him; if Pelosi brings it to the floor, well, whaddaya gonna do?

That’s not gonna wash. It’s Boehner’s JOB to keep House Republicans together. He can’t just wring his hands and claim there was nothing he could do. That’s just admitting he can’t handle it. The conservative caucus would replace him on that basis.

Nancy Pelosi is a nasty piece of work… but her Democrats toed the line. Boehner better toughen up.

Murf76 on July 23, 2013 at 6:47 PM

It’s Boehner’s JOB to keep House Republicans together. He can’t just wring his hands and claim there was nothing he could do.

Murf76 on July 23, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Yep. If the Senate bill passes the House in this manner it’s totally on Boehner, Cantor, and McCarthy. If you can twist arms and make threats to get somebody to vote for something, you certainly can do it to make somebody not vote for something.

Mark1971 on July 23, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Pelosi can’t even get all the Democrats in line to vote for this lousy legislation let alone 18 Republicans

Windsweeping on July 23, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Pelosi and Gutierrez (Democrat-Mexico) have obviously been hitting the weed if they think they’ll get 18 Republican House members to sign a discharge petition. Not if those Republicans plan on running for re-election.

GarandFan on July 23, 2013 at 6:56 PM

If the Republicans allow amnesty it will be the end of the Republican Party .
So says Rush and I agree .

Lucano on July 23, 2013 at 6:58 PM

It’s never going to happen. Pelosi is the biggest liar and piece of sh** known to man. I can’t believe this is even being discussed the senate bill willl NEVER become law.

Ta111 on July 23, 2013 at 6:44 PM

Yep! It’s a bunch of bs. Allah P. did get me to comment though.

Vince on July 23, 2013 at 6:58 PM

They whole lot of them make me ill. There are a few still fighting the good fight but until they get some leadership with backbone the caving will continue. Maybe someone can write a strongly worded letter or something. I also no longer consider myself a Republican either.

ldbgcoleman on July 23, 2013 at 7:00 PM

When Pelosi was Speaker, now-retired Heath Shuler’s (BlueDog-NC) SAVE Act, a strict enforcement act, got over 200 co-sponsors — 1/2 Democrat. They had enough for a discharge petition, but Pelosi INSTRUCTED the Democrat sponsors to vote against the petition.

Boehner should return the favor and kill any petition from the Dems and RINO’s.

BTW – I am definitely AGAINST breaking up families, so naturally I am against any DREAM Act, or KIDS Act being discussed today, which would give citizenship to innocent children while deporting their parents. BWAHHHHHHHH!!!!

I think the family should stay together and travel to their home country together.

The DREAM Act and KIDS bill are as sane as this: what about the innocent children of felon citizen parents in prison — should we free their parents, or should we send their kids to prison? Duh!!!

STOP THIS MADNESS! Enforce the (existing) damn laws for a change!!

fred5678 on July 23, 2013 at 7:03 PM

I don’t think blacks will like the result of 20 million more Mexicans and others coming in to take their welfare checks.

redguy on July 23, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Another theory – are all these amnesty passing stories just the Dems using the media to push this prior to the August recess? I’ve read that there’s so much going on when they come back(debt ceiling, budget, etc.) that the Commies know that they’ve gotta hurry up & pass this or they’re out of time.

8 weight on July 23, 2013 at 7:26 PM

if Pelosi brings it to the floor, well, whaddaya gonna do?

Whatever. As far as I’m concerned if the ruling class, regardless of the meaningless D or R labels by their names, imposes amnesty, it is essentially an attack on the citizens of the United States, a political act of civil war. If they try to stack the electorate and undermine American workers, I hope there is a backlash that topples them.

Freedom Party, anyone?

If amnesty is passed I will never vote for another D or R, ever. If Ted Cruze/Mike Lee wants my vote in ’16 they had better not have an R next to their name.

FloatingRock on July 23, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Cruze = Cruz

FloatingRock on July 23, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Please, this is planned kabuki for triangulation purposes…

ninjapirate on July 23, 2013 at 7:40 PM

How about enforcing existing law and prevent being swamped by 30,000,000 Mexican and central American Indians with no money, no job skills and no education? They are not Muslims, you aren’t forced to keep them at the risk of some elite traitor loosing money on some Saudi deal if you send them home.

BL@KBIRD on July 23, 2013 at 7:51 PM

“We’ve got to pass it, to see what’s in it”.

kirkill on July 23, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Does someone want to remind me again, Why RINOs are a lesser evil than Dems? Giving political cover for TREASON? Back Stabbing the rest of the Party? BTW, has anyone thanked Scott Brown & the other RINOs who voted for cloture & gave us ObamaTaxCare, lately? If not, don’t forget to thank them for the 30Million or so, New Democrat voters, the Illegal Alien Amnesty/Slush Fund for La Raza & ACORN types, they are about to shove down our throats! #NOrinos2014 #PJNET

http://www.paratisiusa.blogspot.com

God Bless America!

paratisi on July 23, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Pelosi: We might force a House vote on the Gang of Eight immigration bill

…oh oh!

“We’ve got to pass it, to see what’s in it”.

kirkill on July 23, 2013 at 7:55 PM

….I’m ten minutes late…Kirkill said it!

KOOLAID2 on July 23, 2013 at 8:07 PM

They’re going to cave. We know they’re going to cave. AND they’ll get NOTHING for it. Well, they’ll get fat donations for their campaigns, with high-paid retirements behind gates where they don’t have to be bothered by the “Citizens.”

Perfesser on July 23, 2013 at 8:38 PM

I despise Pelosi, the Democrats and every other progressive piece of crap out there…but damn, wouldnt it be nice if the GOP fought HALF as hard as they do?

Jack_Burton on July 23, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Boehner needs to blue slip this travesty NOW. By not doing so, he’s playing into Pelosi’s hand. It really appears he and establishment want to see what the party’s viability is WITHOUT conservatives.

voiceofreason on July 23, 2013 at 6:28 PM

Just like California. The Republicans in California happily took a position as a permanent 1/3 minority (electorally) to preserve “what little (power) we have.”

California continues to show you the future in 15-ish years. Detroit got a little ahead, but the cities filing bankruptcy in California set the example.

Nationally, the Republican establishment views itself as part of the ruling class. Their actions are to protect that membership, not represent the “People.”

Perfesser on July 23, 2013 at 8:49 PM

This will pass, one way or another. Just like every travesty before it. We will have amnesty, and soon after we will have a fast-tracking mass-”naturalization” or 30+ million illegals, regardless of the crimes they have committed here.

The republic suffered a fatal blow in November 2008, we’ve just been watching the last few death throes.

Kakalak Pundit on July 23, 2013 at 8:56 PM

I say this simply. IF the GOP passes the Gang of Eight bill… even with amendments… I will vote for the Democrats.

Why shouldn’t I? If the GOP is going to rubber stand something as egregious and destructive as the Gang of Eight bill… not just undermining but deleting the rule of law entirely… there is no substantive difference between the GOP and the Democrats.

Boehner and the GOP have already failed to completely defund Obamacare as they promised. They’ve failed to repeal that monstrosity that is going to destroy our health care system.

The GOP has failed to nail Obama for ‘delaying’ the employer mandate, which was illegal, a clear usurpation of the rightful duties and purview of the legislative AND judicial branches of government. Clearly, Obama is not entitled to change the law to suit himself, even one with his fingerprints on it and that bears his name in slang parlance. He may not legislate from his desk. This was unconstitutional and not only an abuse of his position, but beyond his capacity as president.

So… along with many of those who’ve also had enough of our political class moving, not to protect the interests of American citizens but to protect their own interest and remain a part of that elite club… the political class…I understand that there is no real separation, no credible distinction between the Democrats who are members of the political class… and the Republicans who are part of that political class. Hence, to do the most damage that I may to those who are doing the most damage to the causes of the RIGHT… I will vote Democrat. In this, I understand the sentiment oft expressed by those long exhausted with the doings of the political class… LET IT BURN.

thatsafactjack on July 23, 2013 at 9:02 PM

I heard Steve King at Judiciary hearing today on “KIDS” amnesty Act hearing.

I called his office to thank him for his courageous remarks.

But he was WRONG yesterday in this estimate:

For every one who’s a valedictorian, there’s another 100 out there that, they weigh 130 pounds and they’ve got calves the size of cantaloupes because they’re hauling 75 pounds of marijuana across the desert. Those people would be legalized with the same act.”

It’s more like 1000 drug mules for every valedictorian.

With 1 million+ illegals a year estimated, probably many more doing quick round trip and not estimated, and I bet there are fewer than 1000 illegal alien valedictorians a year. Doesn’t that make it 1000 to 1????

fred5678 on July 23, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Pelosi: We might force a House vote on the Gang of Eight immigration bill

Once again the Democrats play to win and play for keeps while the Republicans are largely useless.

Can anyone dream of Republicans trying to thus force a Democrat controlled House to do their bidding? It would never cross their minds to do such a thing, the Republicans are too busy finding ways to surrender when they are in control.

RJL on July 23, 2013 at 9:25 PM

The whole question here, then, is whether there are 18 purple-district Republicans who are not only willing to brave the wrath of conservatives back home but who think the GOP’s House leadership wouldn’t punish them too terribly for voting with the Dems.

Not this year. But next year around mid November there will be tons of Republicans willing to vote with the Democrats on this issue.

ButterflyDragon on July 24, 2013 at 12:30 AM