No, Virginia, you cannot have offshore drilling — but here’s an offshore wind lease as a consolation prize

posted at 1:21 pm on July 22, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

Earlier this year, Virginia’s two (Democratic, ahem) senators introduced legislation to end the offshore oil-and-gas leasing shutout that the Obama administration effectively imposed on the eastern seaboard and west coast with the five-year drilling plan they released last year, which only allows for drilling in limited areas in the Gulf Coast and for lease sales off the coast of Alaska later on. With our economic growth still moving at a snail’s pace, opening up more areas for drilling would provide a lot job opportunities as well as bring in more government revenue, and it didn’t take long for the House to take up and pass their own version of some offshore-drilling expansion legislation.

The bipartisan support in Congress, however, isn’t enough to sway the oh-so-steadfast Obama administration in their top-down, federalism-crushing, and economically-damaging decisions concerning the domestic oil-and-gas industry, but hey, at least they have something else in mind in the meantime! Here’s the joyous announcement from the Department of Interior:

WASHINGTON, D.C. – As part of President Obama’s comprehensive plan to move our economy toward domestic clean energy sources and begin to slow the effects of climate change, Secretary of the Interior Sally Jewell and Bureau of Ocean Energy Management (BOEM) Director Tommy P. Beaudreau today announced that BOEM will hold its second competitive lease sale for renewable energy on the U.S. Outer Continental Shelf (OCS). The auction, scheduled to take place on Sept. 4, will offer nearly 112,800 acres offshore Virginia for commercial wind energy leasing.

In June, Secretary Jewell and Director Beaudreau announced the nation’s first wind energy lease sale for an area offshore Rhode Island and Massachusetts, which will be held on July 31.

“The competitive lease sale offshore Virginia will mark an important transition from planning to action when it comes to capturing the enormous clean energy potential offered by Atlantic wind,” said Jewell. “Responsible commercial wind energy development has the potential to create jobs, increase our energy security, and strengthen our nation’s competitiveness.”

Under the terms of the Final Sale Notice, the wind energy area offshore Virginia will be auctioned as a single lease. The area is located 23.5 nautical miles from the Virginia Beach coastline and has the potential to support more than 2,000 megawatts of wind generation – enough electricity to power approximately 700,000 homes. As part of President Obama’s comprehensive climate action plan, he challenged Interior to re-double efforts on the renewable energy program by approving an additional 10,000 megawatts of renewable energy production on public lands and waters by 2020.

There are currently no commercial offshore wind projects in United States’ waters, and that’s something the Obama administration would very much like to bring into being via whatever market-manipulation means necessary. With that in mind, I will merely present this:

Prime minister David Cameron has today cut the ribbon on the London Array, the world’s largest offshore wind farm, in a move that serves to underline Number 10′s support for the UK’s burgeoning wind energy sector.

The 175 turbine project located in the Thames Estuary, owned by DONG Energy, Masdar and E.On, boasts 630MW of capacity, making it comfortably the largest offshore wind farm in the world. It has been fully operational since April, but today it was officially opened by the prime minister alongside climate change minister Greg Barker. …

Followed by this:

RWE npower became the first of the big six power suppliers publicly to warn that the government’s green policies will cost consumers more, saying energy bills would rise by more than 19 per cent by the end of the decade.

The intervention mounts a forceful challenge to the government, which has claimed that bills will actually fall thanks to coalition energy measures.

In a report published on Tuesday, npower said the average household energy bill could rise by £240 to £1,487 by 2020, driven by the impact of unprecedented investment in new infrastructure and the cost of improving energy efficiency in people’s homes. …

But there is mounting concern in the power industry that the costs of these policies, combined with other measures such as the carbon floor price and big subsidies for renewable energy, will be much higher than government estimates and will have a sizeable impact on what average consumers pay for their gas and electricity.

That is all.


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One piece of good news is that wind generators located so close to DC shouldn’t have any problem with too-calm winds shutting down production.

MTF on July 22, 2013 at 1:29 PM

I’d rather drink Drano, thanks.

Akzed on July 22, 2013 at 1:29 PM

So the Obama administration is okay with the definite killing of multiple bird species, but not okay with possible oil spills?

But of course.

Meryl Yourish on July 22, 2013 at 1:29 PM

climate change minister Greg Barker

I wonder what it’s like to have a job based solely on bogus science.

Othniel on July 22, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Minister of Silly Walks Greg Barker.

Akzed on July 22, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Has anyone figured out how many off-shore wind turbines it would take to replace the energy derived from a single offshore oil well?

And other than a weak stream of electric power, what other products can an off-shore wind turbine produce?

Plastics? Medicines? Lubricants?

coldwarrior on July 22, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Bet one of the last places for such lease sales will be off Martha’s Vineyard, lest they spoil his view and those of the wealthy liberal snobs there.

changer1701 on July 22, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Engineers worry, and rightly so, about how to make offshore oil installations strong enough to stand up to hurricanes, high winds, and rough seas, all the things that happen fairly often in the open ocean. Has any of these geniuses stopped to think about what happens when a major hurricane tears across a field of windmills? They’ll be shredded? But if you make them too heavy, heavy enough to stand up, then they’re too inefficient to generate energy from wind.

What a bad, bad, place to want to put these things!!!

Tom Servo on July 22, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Virginia must have too mny endangered birds clogging the skies – need to trim the flock a bit – and oil drilling rigs just won’t get that done….

dentarthurdent on July 22, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Virginia……..another Detroit in the making.

Buh-Bye Va.

Enjoy Governor McAuliffe.

PappyD61 on July 22, 2013 at 1:43 PM

So,there telling Oil Production,to….

Blow it out there *ss’s,er,drilling pipes!

************** NUTS ***********!!

canopfor on July 22, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Just to make sure the turbines continually produce energy, they’re going to set up an electric fan farm to blow wind at them.

The Rogue Tomato on July 22, 2013 at 1:51 PM

So the Obama administration is okay with the definite killing of multiple bird species, but not okay with possible oil spills?

But of course.

Meryl Yourish on July 22, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Virginia must have too mny endangered birds clogging the skies – need to trim the flock a bit – and oil drilling rigs just won’t get that done….

dentarthurdent on July 22, 2013 at 1:41 PM


Why build wind farms offshore?

So the evidence of the thousands of birds killed each year disappears without a trace.

PolAgnostic on July 22, 2013 at 1:54 PM

By all means, lets install windmills right in the path of the Atlantic hurricanes – the stupid with these people is monumental

PJ Emeritus on July 22, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Just to make sure the turbines continually produce energy, they’re going to set up an electric fan farm to blow wind at them.

The Rogue Tomato on July 22, 2013 at 1:51 PM

Sorry to quote myself, but I forgot to mention that in an additional technological breakthrough, they’re now going to set up sun lamps to make sure photo voltaic cells continue to produce electricity on cloudy days.

The Rogue Tomato on July 22, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Ten years ago the idea that Virginians would vote a leftist snake like Mcauliffe in as Governor would have been unthinkable. Even after ‘Obama’s America’? Even knowing that Mcauliffe is a corrupt, green fanatic?
Truly unbelievable.

AmeriCuda on July 22, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Virginia should just go ahead with offshore drilling. What are the feds going to do about it. The present regime has already established that laws are to be enforced or ignored on a whim, so who’s to argue.

Go ahead and “drill, baby, drill!” Make them stop you. Make them bring guns. Make them send in troops. That’ll look good on TV.

CurtZHP on July 22, 2013 at 1:58 PM

In June, Secretary Jewell and Director Beaudreau announced the nation’s first wind energy lease sale for an area offshore Rhode Island and Massachusetts, which will be held on July 31.

Secretary of State John Kerry will express his opposition to obstruction of his wind-surfing territory.

Under the terms of the Final Sale Notice, the wind energy area offshore Virginia will be auctioned as a single lease. The area is located 23.5 nautical miles from the Virginia Beach coastline and has the potential to support more than 2,000 megawatts of wind generation – enough electricity to power approximately 700,000 homes. As part of President Obama’s comprehensive climate action plan, he challenged Interior to re-double efforts on the renewable energy program by approving an additional 10,000 megawatts of renewable energy production on public lands and waters by 2020.

Virginia Beach–isn’t that close to the passage from the Atlantic into the Chesapeake Bay, and the shipping lanes into the Port of Baltimore, and other major port cities along the Chesapeake?

Offshore wind turbines can be built anywhere there is reasonably shallow water, so why put them smack in the middle of a major shipping route, where storm-tossed ships could collide with them? Why not locate them further north (along the Delmarva peninsula) or further south (on the Outer Banks), away from the shipping lanes?

Has anybody in the Obama administration looked at a map recently? If only to find those seven extra states Obama talked about?

Steve Z on July 22, 2013 at 2:06 PM

How and when did the Federal government get to dictate to states what they can do with their own resources?

JellyToast on July 22, 2013 at 2:11 PM

The Outer Banks? Good luck putting that boondoggle through with our current legislative and executive government. Not to mention – the same hurricane issues.

PJ Emeritus on July 22, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Because those huge wind turbines look so much cuter than an oil platform
/sarc

ajbell on July 22, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Stop the stupid.

hillbillyjim on July 22, 2013 at 2:36 PM

… and while we’re at it, stop the other stupid, which is the ethanol mandate.

Corn is food.

hillbillyjim on July 22, 2013 at 2:38 PM

By all means, lets install windmills right in the path of the Atlantic hurricanes – the stupid with these people is monumental

PJ Emeritus on July 22, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Hey, that’s when those windmills will be at peak operating capacity.
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Bitter Clinger on July 22, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Under the terms of the Final Sale Notice, the wind energy area offshore Virginia will be auctioned as a single lease.

It looks as though the wind industry doesn’t have to worry about all of those environmental impact studies the eeeevvvviiiillll fossil fuel industry has to satisfy. Or maybe they just had to do one for all of them and they just resubmit the same one over and over. Studies for thee, but not for wind!

I can’t wait to see all the dead birds in the ocean. They will probably blame the deaths on increased CO2.

Patriot Vet on July 22, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Maybe they can sell the rights of the lease to Massachusetts.

unclesmrgol on July 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Ridiculous! A wind farm? Are you kidding me?
Who is making money off of crap like this. Obama and who else?
Follow the $$$$

Delsa on July 22, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Virginia should press ahead with its plan to drill…beyond the 12-mile boundary where Obama has no jurisdiction! Give ‘em the finger, and press on!

“Who is making money off of crap like this. Obama and who else?”
I know 13 failed solar companies who benefitted along with Obama as they received tax dollars as they went under. Whose next on the Obama Donor list? That’s how you find out!

easyt65 on July 22, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Big windmills look kind of cool. A few weeks ago I was riding down Rt 1 in N. Attleboro MA to visit a client. For those that forget it’s the town that the ex-Patriot’s player murdered a guy in. Anyway as I was sitting at a light near the Emerald Square Mall I noticed way off in the distance the new wind mills in Providence RI. These are the big ones over near the Blue Bug. They were slowly turning in the wind and looked really cool. Other than that these windmills are pretty useless.

Dr. Frank Enstine on July 22, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Because those huge wind turbines look so much cuter than an oil platform
/sarc

ajbell on July 22, 2013 at 2:17 PM

But they do. Not as useful as an oil rig but much nicer to look at while they are turning. I had really wanted to sail around the ones they were going to build near the Vineyard but, my dad says that at 80 he is too old to sail and is selling his boat. So if anyone in the Quonset Point area is interested in a 1982 30ft Catalina deep water sail boat. His is for sale.

Dr. Frank Enstine on July 22, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Hi, we’d like oil/gas drilling for more cash and cheaper energy thanks.

Ok, so how about we give you offshore wind instead. You’ll have to pay more in subsidies to keep it running, and you’ll have more expensive energy. Does that work as a compromise?

I’m having trouble coming up with a more counterproductive “compromise” than this. Everything you’re trying to fix; we’ll make worse instead… that’s how we compromise now?

You’re better off not asking for Obama’s Administration for help because from what we’ve seen all he will do it make it worse.

gekkobear on July 22, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Just to make sure the turbines continually produce energy, they’re going to set up an electric fan farm to blow wind at them.

The Rogue Tomato on July 22, 2013 at 1:51 PM

ROFLMAO!!!!!

dentarthurdent on July 22, 2013 at 3:49 PM

and has the potential to support more than 2,000 megawatts of wind generation – enough electricity to power approximately 700,000 homes

Has the potential. Right. Except that the actual output is typically well under 10% of that advertised “potential.”

Hey, but with all the chopped up birds that will be floating around those things, the fishing should get really, really good after a while.

iurockhead on July 22, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Personally, I like this idea. The submerged structures will attract a lot of different fish species and the falling dead birds will make for terrific chum.

Win, win!

pain train on July 22, 2013 at 4:09 PM

iurockhead on July 22, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Bastage!

pain train on July 22, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Hey, but with all the chopped up birds that will be floating around those things, the fishing should get really, really good after a while.

iurockhead on July 22, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Hey – What are they biting on today?
This morning it was Piping Plover, but now they seem to prefer Roseate tern….

dentarthurdent on July 22, 2013 at 4:17 PM

AND FREE CHOPPED SEABIRD CASSEROLE FOR EVERYONE!!!

Marcola on July 22, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Q: What was the last thing that entered the seabird’s mind when it hit the turbine blade?

A: Its butt.

Marcola on July 22, 2013 at 4:24 PM

OK, so, MW for MW, if we take the British field as an example, they will have to place about 556 windmills to get to 2000.

How much does it cost to produce a windmill that can stand up to the conditions that will exist in this area?

How much maintenance will be required, let’s say on a yearly basis?

How is the electricity to be transported? If it’s DC (what is usually generated by a windmill, no?), the transmission losses alone will be staggering.

And how much does it cost to install such a windmill 23 miles offshore? There can’t be too many companies that do any of these things.

I’m betting the production, maintenance, and installation will all be done by obama cronies. And I’m also betting that every one of these windmills will be completely useless (i.e. not producing a watt of electricity) within the first 5 years. The follow on contracts will be even more expensive.

runawayyyy on July 22, 2013 at 4:28 PM

So the Obama administration is okay with the definite killing of multiple bird species, but not okay with possible oil spills?

But of course.

Meryl Yourish on July 22, 2013 at 1:29 PM

To say nothing of the migration habit of other sea creatures and mammals.

Twana on July 22, 2013 at 4:33 PM

How much does it cost to produce a windmill that can stand up to the conditions that will exist in this area?

How much maintenance will be required, let’s say on a yearly basis?
runawayyyy on July 22, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Most of the commercial-scale turbines installed today are 2 MW in size and cost roughly $3-$4 million installed. From: http://www.windustry.org/resources/how-much-do-wind-turbines-cost

According to this link: http://toryaardvark.com/2011/11/17/14000-abandoned-wind-turbines-in-the-usa/
There are about 14000 abandoned windmills in the US. Those are land based ones and it is not cost effective to fix them. I would imagine that ones out in the water are even less cost effective to maintain.
I don’t think that number includes all the private property windmills. I know of at least three within a few miles of me that are abandoned.

Dr. Frank Enstine on July 22, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Interesting data compilation to consider:
http://www.caithnesswindfarms.co.uk/fullaccidents.pdf

dentarthurdent on July 22, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Ten years ago the idea that Virginians would vote a leftist snake like Mcauliffe in as Governor would have been unthinkable. Even after ‘Obama’s America’? Even knowing that Mcauliffe is a corrupt, green fanatic?
Truly unbelievable.

AmeriCuda on July 22, 2013 at 1:57 PM

In our defense, the only other option that we have is Ken Cuccinelli. Both candidates are hyper-partisan blowhards. If the same person were to moderate each of their debates, the moderator could possibly win as a write-in candidate.

hawksruleva on July 22, 2013 at 4:44 PM

I’m betting the production, maintenance, and installation will all be done by obama cronies. And I’m also betting that every one of these windmills will be completely useless (i.e. not producing a watt of electricity) within the first 5 years. The follow on contracts will be even more expensive.

runawayyyy on July 22, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Whoah, whoah whoah, whoooooaaaaahhh. Why are you trying to bring facts into this argument? We’re talking about SAVING THE PLANET! What are all of these little details compared to that?

hawksruleva on July 22, 2013 at 4:46 PM

So the Obama administration is okay with the definite killing of multiple bird species, but not okay with possible oil spills?

But of course.

Meryl Yourish on July 22, 2013 at 1:29 PM

To say nothing of the migration habit of other sea creatures and mammals.

Twana on July 22, 2013 at 4:33 PM

The windmills kill sea birds as well as others. These birds help to feed the sea creatures thus completing the circle of life. An oil spill not only kills sea birds that can then not be eaten but, in fact can kill something stupid enough to eat it. Oil spills also kill the sea life and will make an area uninhabitable for zillions of years. Oil spills break the circle of life.

Based on those facts I have scientifically pulled out of my backside you will have to agree that windmills are very green and help life on mother gaia.

Dr. Frank Enstine on July 22, 2013 at 4:49 PM

In June, Secretary Jewell and Director Beaudreau announced the nation’s first wind energy lease sale for an area offshore Rhode Island and Massachusetts, which will be held on July 31.

Kennedys and Kerrys reportedly are THRILLED! NOT!

Exit question for ‘energy experts’. Do salt air and electrical components work well together?

GarandFan on July 22, 2013 at 4:56 PM

Dr. Frank Enstine on July 22, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Hmmmm. I wonder why metal recyclers/scrappers haven’t jumped onto that yet.

cptacek on July 22, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Exit question for ‘energy experts’. Do salt air and electrical components work well together?

GarandFan on July 22, 2013 at 4:56 PM

Based on my experience with various military systems – that’s an unequivocal NO.

dentarthurdent on July 22, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Back in 2008, Delaware allowed a company called Blue Water Wind (Babcock & Brown) to build windmills offshore. They got the local utility to play along and everything was supposed to be up and running in 2012. Well, here we are in 2013 and construction still hasn’t begun.
As a matter of fact, they went out of business and NRG Energy took all the contracts from them. However, this didn’t help the project stay on track.
Why did it fail? Because they could never line up the investors. Without a guarantee from the government for continual money, no investors will ever come through.

http://www.wdde.org/32627-offshore-lease-revive-wind-delaware

djaymick on July 22, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Why did it fail? Because they could never line up the investors. Without a guarantee from the government for continual money, no investors will ever come through.

http://www.wdde.org/32627-offshore-lease-revive-wind-delaware

djaymick on July 22, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Because unlike the government, private investors quite often know a losing proposition when they see it.

dentarthurdent on July 22, 2013 at 5:22 PM

No, Virginia, you cannot have offshore drilling — but here’s an offshore wind lease as a consolation booby prize

ReWrite™ engaged for accuracy.

Steve Eggleston on July 22, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Virginia Beach–isn’t that close to the passage from the Atlantic into the Chesapeake Bay, and the shipping lanes into the Port of Baltimore, and other major port cities along the Chesapeake?

Offshore wind turbines can be built anywhere there is reasonably shallow water, so why put them smack in the middle of a major shipping route, where storm-tossed ships could collide with them? Why not locate them further north (along the Delmarva peninsula) or further south (on the Outer Banks), away from the shipping lanes?

Has anybody in the Obama administration looked at a map recently? If only to find those seven extra states Obama talked about?

Steve Z on July 22, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Hint – it’s not mere civilian shipping lanes Teh SCOAMT is looking to block.

Steve Eggleston on July 22, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Under the terms of the Final Sale Notice, the wind energy area offshore Virginia will be auctioned as a single lease.

Translation – This seabed is Algore Goracle’s.

Steve Eggleston on July 22, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Interesting that the previously proposed area for lease sales was in deepwater out of sight of land. Now they propose wind close to shore? Are they going to chop up bikinis?

Kermit on July 22, 2013 at 5:35 PM

In addition to drilling, what would actually make SOME sort of sense is tidal generators – the tide is FAR more reliable than the wind, after all.

PJ Emeritus on July 22, 2013 at 6:44 PM

630MW of capacity…

In reality, the installed capacity of the London Array was supposed to be 1000MW, but the power delivered will be about 370MW, covering 245 sq km (95 square miles), for a power density of 1.5MW/sq km.

But, with all the controversy, cost over-runs, etc, it ended up covering just 100 square kilometers. That 630MW will turn into a delivered 207MW, with a power density of 2.07. Slightly better in action. But not much.

Compare that to a typical natural gas installation, such as the West County in Palm Beach, which has installed of 3750MW, delivers 3263MW, covers .9 sq kw (.3 sq miles), with a power density of 3626.

Wind has the worst power density of any, including solar. But, nuclear, coal, and natural gas kick the @ss of wind and solar by huge margins. (coal is typically in the 800′s and nuclear in the 300′s)

William Teach on July 22, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Every megawatt of wind generation needs to be backed by a megawatt of conventional generation for when the wind drops.

And that conventional generation must be peaking generation, able to go from idle to full power in a few minutes. Which means it’s not at idle, it probably has to be natural-gas fueled gas turbines, and you can’t use a combined-cycle plant, which would improve its efficiency.

It certainly can’t be nuclear, because nuclear plants can’t peak. When you shut them down too fast, reaction products poison the reactor and you can’t start it for a couple of days–not the definition of a peaking plant.

Stored hydro would work, but we abandoned stored hydro (which also helps nuclear plants).

Instead of building wind farms at sea, how about a low-head, high-volume stored hydro that can also extract a little power from the tides?

njcommuter on July 22, 2013 at 8:51 PM

I’m all for this. If you’ve ever been to the beach there, there’s just too damn many seagulls. This should help a lot.

Squiggy on July 23, 2013 at 5:57 AM

All these trivial complaints will be considered absurd in just a few years.

STEP 1: Obama took the first step in this journey when he announced via the EPA that large numbers of existing coal fired plants (which produce a large percentage of the electricity consumed in the US) will be shuttered, and permits for new ones will be as common as unicorns. Thus fulfilling his promise made to SF progressives in 2007 that he would do just this and “energy prices would of necessity skyrocket”. He also has stalled new nuclear power projects, natural gas extraction, and pipelines to distribute cheap carbon based fuels.

STEP 2: Watch energy demand exceed energy supply within a few years with resulting economic dislocations for citizens and businesses alike. Brownouts will become commonplace in summer throughout the Midwest and East.

STEP 3: Extremely expensive and unreliable energy from windmills will be the only new source of power on the menu. People will clamor for it and praise The One for his foresight in starting energy projects way back when before the days of brownouts darkened the land.

As for follow the money, here’s a starting point:

“After two studies refuted President Barack Obama’s assertions regarding the success of Spain’s and Denmark’s wind energy programs, a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request reveals the Department of Energy turned to George Soros and to wind industry lobbyists to attack the studies.

Via the FOIA request, the Competitive Enterprise Institute has learned that the Department of Energy — specifically the office headed by Al Gore’s company’s former CEO, Cathy Zoi — turned to George Soros’ Center for American Progress and other wind industry lobbyists to help push Obama’s wind energy proposals.”

http://pjmedia.com/blog/breaking-anti-lobbyist-obama-administration-recruited-left-wing-lobbyists-to-sell-bogus-green-jobs/

Anyone else remember the serendipity when Obama decided deep water drilling in the Gulf would defile the earth for all eternity and effectively banned it, while simultaneously providing a multi-billion dollar grant to the Brazilians to do deep water drilling? George Soros just happened to be a major shareholder in the Brazilian oil firm when that went down. How lucky for him.

“But what has followed is nothing but pure dirt (cronyism and corruption) including the fact that “in the first quarter of 2009, Mr. Soros went on a stock-buying spree in companies that ultimately benefited from the federal stimulus,” including twelve alternative energy and utility companies. And, after three weeks of intense research, I found that through these twelve, and other timely investments in renewable energy, Soros’ green tab exceeds $11 BILLION of stimulus money –– and you, the taxpayer, footed the bill. Keep in mind that this tally is not factoring in the huge profit Soros is making off of these investments.”
http://greencorruption.blogspot.com/2013/03/left-wing-billionaire-george-soros.html

in_awe on July 23, 2013 at 1:26 PM