GOP: The ObamaCare database is going to be a “honey pot” for identity thieves, fraud

posted at 4:01 pm on July 22, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

California’s state insurance commissioner Dave Jones recently expressed some serious trepidation about the lack of concrete procedures in place for cracking down on the opportunities for fraud and abuse that are almost certain to arise as the large bureaucratic network of their ObamaCare insurance exchange continues to take shape. The is hiring tens of thousands of enrollment counselors who will shortly have access to a lot of consumers’ personal and financial information, and Jones worried that California might “have a real disaster on our hands” with identity theft especially.

I missed it at first, but at a House hearing last week, lawmakers openly wondered whether all of the delays the Obama administration is implementing as they scramble to prepare the federally-run exchanges mean that the administration is also falling behind on methods for privacy protection, and if they’re planning to go on ahead with signing people up regardless. Via CNBC:

In Washington, the administration has been under increasing pressure to defend the integrity of the federal insurance exchange…

During a hearing last week, members of the House Oversight Committee grilled officials from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) about the status of security and privacy controls being built into the infrastructure of the federal system.

“Are you 100 percent finished establishing appropriate privacy protections?” Rep. Scott DesJarlais asked skeptically, with reference to the GAO report.

“No, we are not,” replied the administration’s point man on the build out of the exchanges, Henry Chao, the deputy director of the Office of Information Services at CMS.

“I would say with regards to privacy and security we’re probably about 80 percent,” Chao admitted, but assured the congressman that privacy controls would be at 100 percent functionality by October. …

Hmmm. Not a super-reassuring sign, what with so many of the ObamaCare implementation’s many other hitches and glitches, is it? From the Washington Examiner:

“It’s the greatest collection of private identification information ever assembled on Americans that will be put into one place,” said Rep. Patrick Meehan, who chairs a House cybersecurity subcommittee. “It is every bit of sensitive information one would need to know to completely take over the identification of a person,” said the Pennsylvania lawmaker.

The Obamacare data hub, he added, “creates a honey pot and the day that it goes online it is going to be a target for hackers and others and they are unprepared to protect the system.” …

“I want to assure you and all Americans, that when they fill out their [health insurance] marketplace applications, they can trust the information they’re providing is protected,” said Marilyn Tavenner, head of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.


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rob verdi on July 22, 2013 at 4:03 PM

The is hiring tens of thousands of enrollment counselors who will shortly have access to a lot of consumers’ personal and financial information,

The GOP and the republic is dearly dead.

faraway on July 22, 2013 at 4:04 PM

GOP: The ObamaCare database is going to be a “honey pot”

LATEST RACIST DOG-WHISTLE!!!!

Marcola on July 22, 2013 at 4:05 PM

The is hiring tens of thousands of enrollment counselors who will shortly have access to a lot of consumers’ personal and financial information,

GOP governors should arrest anyone in their state with access to this information without a warrant

faraway on July 22, 2013 at 4:07 PM

The Nigerians can’t wait.They will know who has a Lifelock type service.

docflash on July 22, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Well, between the NSA and Obamacare, all our lives will be like an open book, or perhaps, low hanging fruit might be a better comparison

a capella on July 22, 2013 at 4:11 PM

I thought “honey pot” was a term for a sexy woman trap used in a con.

myrenovations on July 22, 2013 at 4:12 PM

The NSA is nothing.

60% of doctors to retire early. Good luck America. You’ll be the same shithole like the rest of the world, with obama having taken you there.

The right enable the left and are, thus, more culpable of the land’s destruction.

Schadenfreude on July 22, 2013 at 4:14 PM

I thought “honey pot” was a term for a sexy woman trap used in a con.

myrenovations on July 22, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Honeypot (noun), An esoteric slang term used to refer to physically attractive women under 30 years of age who exude a measure of restrained yet potent sexuality.

GOP War on Womenz!!

pain train on July 22, 2013 at 4:14 PM

GOP: The ObamaCare database is going to be a “honey pot” for identity thieves, fraud

Dont forget the real sinister threat…blackmail! NSA is just one giant blackmail tool and so will this be( See IRS for firm grip on reality).

Alinsky on July 22, 2013 at 4:14 PM

“…but we’ll fund it anyway.”

Charlemagne on July 22, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Once this kicks in, you will no longer have an identity. You will be nothing more than a part of the collective. Individuality will be a quaint anachronism. As for the material ramifications, all your money belongs to the state first. Whatever you keep is entirely by the good graces of the state.

CurtZHP on July 22, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Dont forget the real sinister threat…blackmail! NSA is just one giant blackmail tool and so will this be( See IRS for firm grip on reality).

Alinsky on July 22, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Black males are a “sinister threat” and a “tool.” I don’t even have to tell you how racist all this has become now. But MSNBC is always looking for time filler so they still will.

Gingotts on July 22, 2013 at 4:23 PM

One mans’ identity thief is another mans’ Democrat Party.

WisRich on July 22, 2013 at 4:23 PM

It will be fine, you’ll see.

That hernia operation you need, well let’s just hope that you don’t have some Tea Party registrations in your background, or that the IRS hasn’t completely removed you from the database.

“Sorry sir, it says here you don’t exist. NEXT!”

Bishop on July 22, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Death panels will be linked up to political donations! Donate to the Fascist-Democrats and you get healthcare, otherwise, sorry, we have to ration it.

rbj on July 22, 2013 at 4:26 PM

The derelict congress enables it and are, thus, more culpable.

Schadenfreude on July 22, 2013 at 4:26 PM

That’s awkward:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/07/22/proof-of-politics-indiana-fudges-truth-on-health-exchange-rates-to-make-obamacare-look-bad/

You see, while the states that have already released their projections have based their price expectations on what insurance company filings suggest will be the cost of a ‘Silver’ plan (the second least expensive option to be offered on the exchanges), Indiana decided to publish their projections based on a calculation that took all the levels of plans to be offered—ranging from the less expensive Bronze and Silver plan to the most expensive Gold and Platinum plans—and averaged them all together to come up with their projected rates.

As Sy Mukherjee points out, “That’s like saying the average cost of a car in an Indiana dealership is $100,000 because it sells $20,000 Fords, $60,000 BMWs, and $220,000 Lamborghinis — technically true, but highly misleading.”

Exactly.

What possible benefit can there be to taking an average of costs ranging from most expensive to least expensive when we know full well that the overwhelming majority of those living in Indiana—and, for that matter, everywhere else—will purchase the policies in the lower cost ranges?

How do we know this?

We know this because we have the evidence of buying patterns provided by the State of Massachusetts, a state that has been utilizing this system for quite some time now.

As Sarah Kliff at the Washington Post reports—

“In Massachusetts, 8 percent of enrollees bought a gold plan. Eighty-four percent chose bronze or silver. At least one carrier in Indiana seems to agree with this distribution. In state rate filings, Physicians Health Plan of Indiana estimates that 45 percent of its enrollees will pick bronze and 38 percent take up silver. It is expected that the average mix of Individual Market will be more toward less rich benefit plans and credit should be given for the associated reduction in induced utilization,” the company wrote in its filing. In other words, the average plan cost isn’t a great estimation of what the average person will pay.”

libfreeordie on July 22, 2013 at 4:30 PM

“I want to assure you and all Americans, that when they fill out their [health insurance] marketplace applications,

Just don’t do it.

Will they be able to go after everyone that doesn’t comply?

I will file my taxes and that is all.

Barred on July 22, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Just taking Obama’s position.

He only follows laws that he likes.

Barred on July 22, 2013 at 4:35 PM

As a person who has had their identity stolen, I say this should be a deal breaker. Once I learned what had happened to me I went to the CT State Police to report what had happened, I was informed that while they would file a report, I was “on my own” and there was not a single thing they could or would do for me as far as getting anything fixed even though I had the physical address of the person who stole my identity.

Johnnyreb on July 22, 2013 at 4:40 PM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/07/22/proof-of-politics-indiana-fudges-truth-on-health-exchange-rates-to-make-obamacare-look-bad/

ROFL

If BarkyCare wasn’t a disaster on its own then Dog Eater wouldn’t need to issue his “Let’s hold off on implementation for a few years” orders.

If only the abomination had been read BEFORE being passed into law.

Eh, what am I saying, actually reading legislation is old skool.

Bishop on July 22, 2013 at 4:41 PM

“I would say with regards to privacy and security we’re probably about 80 percent,” Chao admitted, but assured the congressman that privacy controls would be at 100 percent functionality by October. …

LOL. Right, and “the check is in the mail,” and “don’t worry, this will only hurt a little,” and “if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor,” and “Obamacare will cause the average family’s health insurance premiums to go down by $2,500 a year,” . . . . and all the other lies that lying liars tell.

AZCoyote on July 22, 2013 at 4:42 PM

We know this because we have the evidence of buying patterns provided by the State of Massachusetts, a state that has been utilizing this system for quite some time now.
libfreeordie on July 22, 2013 at 4:30 PM

So comparing blue as sin Mass to Indiana is like comparing apples to apples? Do you actually read anything you post? I think that you enjoy being smacked around.

nobar on July 22, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Jones worried that California might “have a real disaster on our hands” with identity theft especially.

Hey! It’s just another ‘bump in the road’.

GarandFan on July 22, 2013 at 4:48 PM

The California hiring plan for the 20,000 Obamacare ‘helpers’ can include felons of ANY kind. They have decided to NOT have ANY ‘limitations’ on those that want this job.

The Obamacare system will allow these ‘helpers’ to access the records from HHS, Dept of Justice, and the IRS, for ANYONE in the ENTIRE country.

This entire Obamacare plan is a disaster that could ruin the entire economy in a matter of months. This is BEFORE any health care related event happens!

Freddy on July 22, 2013 at 4:57 PM

And that’s just one of the thousands of problems centralized planning runs into.

They’ve taken incompetence to a higher lower level.

kirkill on July 22, 2013 at 4:58 PM

We know this because we have the evidence of buying patterns provided by the State of Massachusetts, a state that has been utilizing this system for quite some time now.

libfreeordie on July 22, 2013 at 4:30 PM

And the left was caught doing the exact same in New York and California trying to make ObamaCare look good.

The fact that Obama himself pulled the plug on a large part of it should tell you where the truth lies.

Chuck Schick on July 22, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Just think of how many illegal aliens will be able to get IDs from this!

astonerii on July 22, 2013 at 5:28 PM

“The ObamaCare database is going to be a “honey pot” for identity thieves, fraud”

…in other words, yet another gift from OBOZO to ILLEGALS.

TeaPartyNation on July 22, 2013 at 6:24 PM

libfreeordie on July 22, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Turnabout is fair play. Øbama has been saying that it will reduce costs for years but it has only increased them.

Kafir on July 22, 2013 at 8:25 PM

I thought “honey pot” was a term for a sexy woman trap used in a con.

myrenovations on July 22, 2013 at 4:12 PM

It is also used in I/T to describe a dummy database you put on the Internet to see who attacks it and how so you can defend against those things when you go into production.

Kafir on July 22, 2013 at 8:26 PM

If the Republicans were smart (which is always in doubt) they would insist on complete cooperation during this IRS investigation. It’s actually pretty simple, if the administration was willing to use the IRS to shut down political opposition, God only knows what they could do if they had everyone’s medical information. We really need answers and we need prosecutions. Whoever released the Koch Brothers tax information to the White House needs to be prosecuted. The person who gave out the donor information of the defense of marriage group, needs to be prosecuted.

The fact that the Justice Department refuses to investigate and prosecute really means we don’t want to go there. We don’t want the IRS involved in health care and we don’t want government involved in health care.

It’s time for the Republicans to do the right thing. If they can’t they should all be primaried. To hell with the Dream act and all this trivia, do the important things and see how the voters respond.

bflat879 on July 22, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Why bother? When it happens, they’ll only blame it on Republicans.

After reading here how two of MSNBC’s dimmest have blamed Detroit’s troubles on the GOP, I tuned in RT channel today to see what it was (turns out it stands for Russia Today) and they had a news “analyst” spouting the same nonsense and predicting that the coming crash of America will be caused by Republicans. What a coincidence!

flataffect on July 22, 2013 at 9:04 PM

With every passing hour, the mess that is “Obamacare” is revealed to be a huge, evil cloud of bad gas descending on us all. There is nothing good, beneficial, contributory about it — no, quite the opposite.

I TOLD everyone who’d listen or read about this impending disaster of putting medical records online — under ruse of making practicing medicine easier for physicians, it’s a disaster as to individual safety, wellbeing and security.

I told people so before it was implemented, that that’s what would be in store if it was. I told everyone so.

Lourdes on July 23, 2013 at 6:36 AM

I had the misfortune not too long ago of meeting with a physician — Leftwing, from Harvard — who was/is eager as can be to get-Obamacare-rolling. He gleefully but vainly tried selling all the (non-existent) good things about these ‘online records’ while pushing “the email system” for contacting him, his office, communicating lab results, appointments, all of it.

I reminded him that for those who want to get this information for their underhanded, unauthorized, illicit or whatever purposes, they could and would get it. Doctor was suddenly very busy in another direction…

The very idea that one’s critical details — and movements, locations, health issues in specifics — are to be (and now are being) sent in email IS A DISASTER for security purposes.

Doctors, the Leftwing ones, so eager to sell the public on the Leftwing socialism coolness of Obamacare are doing us and themselves a huge disservice. The public sharing of medical records and just about all defining, personal details including one’s location information (where one goes, when, for what, how, times and schedules among other things) is utter disaster for everyone from a security point of view, not to mention the liability this post identifies as to identity theft. Now any criminal with a hacker friend can find out when you’re not at home.

Lourdes on July 23, 2013 at 6:42 AM

…God only knows what they could do if they had everyone’s medical information. We really need answers and we need prosecutions. Whoever released the Koch Brothers tax information to the White House needs to be prosecuted. The person who gave out the donor information of the defense of marriage group, needs to be prosecuted.

The fact that the Justice Department refuses to investigate and prosecute really means we don’t want to go there. We don’t want the IRS involved in health care and we don’t want government involved in health care.

It’s time for the Republicans to do the right thing…

bflat879 on July 22, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Well said.

But isn’t it PITIFUL that any one of us has to say that? I mean, that Congress — specifically, the GOP members — would not have thought of these liabilities and crimes before such that they’d have done something about them? I can understand Democrats being cool-on-crime and eager to let it happen but at least some among the GOP I still have expectations of to act responsibly on behalf of citizens.

I just hang my head in great sadness that our US Congress is allowing these horrors to happen and so many among Congress are not outright raging about how horrible these things are and doing something to penalize those doing them, and to stop them from happening.

It’s outrageous we citizens must complain about these things as we do, that Congress has to be complained to about them…

Lourdes on July 23, 2013 at 6:48 AM

The fact that the Justice Department refuses to investigate and prosecute really means we don’t want to go there.

I was horrified when Congress approved Holder’s nomination to Justice. Same with Napolitano and just about everyone else Obama has “surrounded himself with.”

I do understand that there is a “tradition” of allowing a President to put nominees into Cabinet positions without Congress posing too much of a hassle about who is of consideration, but in Obama’s case, I mean, ERIC HOLDER?! And Congress allowed that guy to be AG? I was horrified. Still am. Not as if he didn’t have a well identified history of utter Leftwing fringe if not prejudicial nature entirely before he was even nominated, not like Congress didn’t know who he was.

Lourdes on July 23, 2013 at 6:51 AM

Why bother? When it happens, they’ll only blame it on Republicans.

After reading here how two of MSNBC’s dimmest have blamed Detroit’s troubles on the GOP, I tuned in RT channel today to see what it was (turns out it stands for Russia Today) and they had a news “analyst” spouting the same nonsense and predicting that the coming crash of America will be caused by Republicans. What a coincidence!

flataffect on July 22, 2013 at 9:04 PM

There was an excellent and quick takedown via twitter of that Democrat Party propaganda feed…

READ:

Sally Kohn: Detroit ‘set up to fail’ by racially biased policies
Posted at 10:32 pm on July 22, 2013 by Twitchy Staff

—————————-

The DNC always has an irrational takedown excuse rant at the ready for everything they do wrong, illicitly, just awfully that is idenfied as failure. They’re not going to stop doing this, it’s their way.

We just have to all, each, be prepared and ready to deflate their stupid excuse rants. That one there on twitter of this DNC – Detroit-is-GOP’s-Fault nonsense was so well done, so quickly, correctly, sensibly. Kohn still had no reasonable retort other than more nonsense.

Lourdes on July 23, 2013 at 6:56 AM

For aver 50 years the government has required that students and their parents fill in a variation of the FAFSA form, and fill in at least a 1040 form in order to get Pell grants or whatever the financial aid was available. Students swear that they have no drug convictions/felonies and that they are properly registered for the Selective Service.

One. Should we be concerned about privacy today with the FAFSA? In the past no one was concerned with that or the 1040 form.

There are no navigators that can see the data when you use a FAFSA. What justifies anyone being able to see what information you enter? The FAFSA generates a simple report for the college that says this is your taxable income and whatever FAFSA information the government feels is useful. (They count your single children in college as if they are only children, no matter how many years of college bills you have to pay for siblings.)

So, does anyone know if this info can be shared or leaked? I had the impression from the financial aid office that they can only see the simple report. They can look up how much you own on student loans totally, if the college is disposed to consider outside debt for college (but they don’t have to.)

I am very much opposed to expanding the mess that is Obamacare to employ ignorant community organizer/ navigators to help. I think you should have to have a MSW to view the info, and I am not much of a fan of social workers. The databases ought to be as easy as the FAFSA to log into and submit your data. The FAFSA itself was improved a few years ago so as not to waste your time and once it was set it is pretty easy to use. Sadly, I wonder why the FAFSA is not the model. HHS Over Reach and insanity. “Liberals cannot make anything simple everything has to be a huge burden and overly complex to be all things to all people…”

There is some statute on the books about a reduction of Paper work rule…can anyone find it and apply it to ObamaCAre????

Fleuries on July 23, 2013 at 9:18 AM