ABC/WaPo poll: 40% think Zimmerman’s shooting of Martin wasn’t justified, 26% think it was

posted at 3:21 pm on July 22, 2013 by Allahpundit

The two Rasmussen polls I featured last week didn’t ask specifically whether the shooting was justified, only whether the verdict was. Rasmussen found a near-majority in agreement with the jury (48/34). ABC/WaPo: A 41/41 dead heat, with the question of whether the shooting was justified splitting 26/40 against. How could the public be divided on the verdict but much less divided on the shooting itself? Because, I assume, one question deals more with moral culpability and the other deals with legal culpability. There’s some subset of people here who probably believe (a) either Zimmerman’s at fault for getting out of his car in the first place and/or that he’s lying about how the confrontation happened but also (b) the prosecution simply didn’t prove manslaughter beyond a reasonable doubt. In other words, 41 percent believe he’s not guilty but only 26 percent believe he’s truly innocent.

The white/black divide on both questions is as enormous as you’d expect. Fully 87 percent of blacks think the shooting was unjustified and 86 percent disagree with the verdict; among whites, 51 percent support the verdict and there’s an even 33/33 split between those who think the shooting was justified and those who think it wasn’t. What about Hispanics, though? Last week’s Rasmussen data suggested (but didn’t clearly state) that they were marginally inclined to support the verdict. Here’s what ABC/WaPo found when it asked if the shooting was justified:

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That view, that the shooting was unjustified, prevailed across nearly every demographic — political, racial, age. The notable exceptions who think it was justified are Republicans, conservatives, and voters 65 and over, all of which overlap considerably. As for the racial split on the verdict itself, Hispanics give that thumbs down too:

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There’s a sharp, notable gender gap within the general public on the trial’s outcome — men support the verdict 47/33 and women oppose it 36/48 — and a sharp age gap, with younger voters lopsided in disagreement and older voters lopsided in support. There is, as you might expect, a sharp partisan gap too, which is partly a function of the racial composition of both parties. Democrats and Republicans are virtually mirror images of each other at 22/62 and 65/20, respectively, on whether the verdict was correct. Independents, however, side with the GOP on this one, backing the verdict, 44/35. They also side with Republicans in opposing federal charges for Zimmerman. The GOP splits 17/72 in opposition while indies split 36/50. Democrats, naturally, support federal charges 57/29. Overall the public narrowly opposes federal charges, 39/46. When Rasmussen polled that question, he found only 21 percent support for a new federal prosecution.

So, why the discrepancy between this poll and Rasmussen’s? My first thought is that Rasmussen typically polls only likely voters, which tend to be more conservative than the general population. But unless I’m misreading this, his Zimmerman polls were of adults nationally, just like ABC/WaPo’s. Another possibility is that O’s comments on Friday moved the needle. He didn’t criticize the verdict, but if you’re a low-information voter who didn’t follow the trial tuning in on Friday to find the president somberly discussing racial injustice, you’d know what lesson you’re supposed to take from the outcome. Ras’s poll was conducted before Obama’s comments, but WaPo’s poll included part of the day Friday after he’d spoken plus all of Saturday and Sunday. Third possibility: A few extra days of unhappy media coverage, starting with the “Justice for Trayvon” protests this weekend, might be shaping opinion in the aftermath. Any other explanations? What’d I miss here?

Update: Pew is out with its own poll of the verdict this afternoon that lines up in many ways with ABC/WaPo’s data, especially in Hispanic disapproval of the verdict. One interesting finding comes in the second question here:

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Once we stop understanding racism as “evil” and more as a system with a specific goal we can start that long overdue, never to arrive “conversation” about race.

libfreeordie on July 22, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Considering that such a “conversation” would be a “Shut up, he explained” moment from Slavenowandie and his ilk, it’s understandable why it will never arrive, by definite intention:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/07/22/CNN-Lemon-To-Guest-Youre-White-You-Cant-Understand

ebrown2 on July 22, 2013 at 6:30 PM

libfreeordie on July 22, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Sorry, Prof, but any honest Black person will readily admit that Blacks are not only racist, they are the MOST racist. They are even prejudiced against the different “hues” within their OWN ethnicity.

PJ Emeritus on July 22, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Harry Belafonte called General Colin Powell a house slave. Only he used more offensive words.

Del Dolemonte on July 22, 2013 at 6:36 PM

The only poll that matters in the Zimmerman case, was the poll of the Jury.

flintstone on July 22, 2013 at 6:55 PM

I don’t think that much of polls to start with, ABC/Washington Post? Who’s their reader base? May as well do a DKOS/DUG poll and say 98% of Americans think Communism is just fine.

John_G on July 22, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Just for the shock value, how about showing the breakdown for those who have bothered to listen to the recording of Zimmerman’s 911 call versus those who haven’t bothered to do so.

http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/raw-911-call-zimmerman-made-to-sanford-police/vGZq9/

I’ll bet 90% of the people who’ve listened to the call support Zimmerman.

Ignorance and misinformation are easy to detect.

Pythagoras on July 22, 2013 at 7:03 PM

Once we stop understanding racism as “evil” and more as a system with a specific goal we can start that long overdue, never to arrive “conversation” about race.

libfreeordie on July 22, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Considering that such a “conversation” would be a “Shut up, he explained” moment from Slavenowandie and his ilk, it’s understandable why it will never arrive, by definite intention:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/07/22/CNN-Lemon-To-Guest-Youre-White-You-Cant-Understand

ebrown2 on July 22, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Our Low-IQ troll nonpartisan posted a similar comment yesterday-white people can’t “understand” O’bama because he’s black.

Wonder what the “specific goal” is for racists who aren’t white. Oh, that’s right, in libfree’s world, only whites are racists.

Del Dolemonte on July 22, 2013 at 7:05 PM

Living in the Past.

Bmore on July 22, 2013 at 7:07 PM

http://rare.us/story/obama-wheres-your-speech-for-baby-shot-in-the-face-by-black-teens/

Antonio Santiago, RIP. A white Hispanic baby.

davidk on July 22, 2013 at 7:12 PM

I’m a White Hispanic, by way of England and Germany…thanks Comrade Soetoro you are bringing people together.

harlekwin15 on July 22, 2013 at 7:38 PM

The 40% who think it was unjustified feel that way because Batman shouldn’t use guns.

Alberta_Patriot on July 22, 2013 at 7:38 PM

Polls of Americans…..that can’t even probably name 10 countries in the world.

….worth less than a bucket of hog slop.

PappyD61 on July 22, 2013 at 7:39 PM

How many black people, who believe the verdict was wrong, believe that Zimmerman “stalked” Trayvon and shot him, versus was sucker-punched by Trayvon, knocked to the ground and ended up shooting him to save his own life?

What NBC did for dividing the races, in this country, should not go unnoticed. I believe they deserve the wrath of, not only the white community, but the black community also.

bflat879 on July 22, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Behold the power of propaganda!

Jaibones on July 22, 2013 at 7:59 PM

How many black people, who believe the verdict was wrong, believe that Zimmerman “stalked” Trayvon and shot him, versus was sucker-punched by Trayvon, knocked to the ground and ended up shooting him to save his own life?

According to Reuters, in New York a grand total of 2000 people showed up Saturday to protest in favor of Trayvon Martin in the George Zimmerman trial. That’s .00024257 of the population of our most populous city.
In our second most populous city, my hometown of Los Angeles, the results were even worse, according to the Los Angeles Times. A measly 400 people demonstrated. The totals in Miami, closest big city to the event, were 300.
In other words, the turnout was somewhere between minuscule and puny — maybe, at best, fifteen thousand people nationwide in a country of 314 million. (You do the math on that one…. Okay, I’ll do it. That’s .00005 of the population.)
H/T UM
wyntre9 on July 22, 2013 at 6:00 PM

pambi on July 22, 2013 at 8:00 PM

You want answers?

I want the truth!

You can’t handle The Truth!

Jaibones on July 22, 2013 at 8:06 PM

that can’t even probably name 10 countries in the world.

PappyD61 on July 22, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Finally, something me and Pops can agree on.

This POS poll and the PsOS who conducted it aren’t worth a damn. The clowns on the ignorant side of these answers likely don’t know the most basic facts of the case, and have been informed by the lies and nutty rhetoric of the lamestream media.

Jaibones on July 22, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Well 100 percent of the jurors saw the evidence without the lying MSM and voted nor guilty

who gives a crap about polls? Idiotic.,

TexasJew on July 22, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Jury said he was not guilty..why do a poll? I was surprised Rasmussen did one…time to move on

BTW Zimmerman saved a family from a car crash

Not a peep from the media

Redford on July 22, 2013 at 8:20 PM

I will exercise my rights regardless of the media spin.

I absolutely have the right to life.

This whole conversation is a diversion from the real problems in our society.

Shame on you, Sharpie, and all of your self-centered ilk.

hillbillyjim on July 22, 2013 at 8:44 PM

The only poll that counts is the poll of the jury. Who gives a flying damn what people who weren’t in the courtroom think about the verdict or the event itself? Why do we even give credence to “opinion polls” about criminal case verdicts? All the poll verifies is that the people polled hold the opinions they hold. They have nothing to do with the facts of the case or the legitimacy of the verdict. It’s asinine.

IndieDogg on July 22, 2013 at 8:48 PM

I don’t own a gun. But I’m learning how to shoot one and someday I might. And if I do, if I find someone lurking around the neighborhood who looks/acts suspicious, and the guy ends up slamming me to the ground, pounding my head on the pavement and breaking my nose and telling me he’s going to kill me, I’m going to use that gun and I’m not going to think about the law or what people will think or whether I will go to jail, I’m going to think about saving my life. It’s sad that most people (according to polls) don’t think of it as a life or death, him or me situation. They just don’t get it.

scalleywag on July 22, 2013 at 8:58 PM

O’Reilly was on fire tonight!

scalleywag on July 22, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Brave man. He is this guy: http://twitpic.com/bw9in6

davidk on July 22, 2013 at 3:50 PM

so true. He gasve a great speech on july 4th also. It really is a must watch. He lives in MD and I think ran for the senate last year too bad he lives in blue blue MD. He would win goin away in NC.

The leites will divide us so they can hold on to power. It’s what they do. It’s how we have gotten to this point since bush the 1st. the last person to unify us was Reagan. Even one else wants to divide us into 50/50 segments and let us harp about small issues that they make into big issues.

While they steal us blind.

unseen on July 22, 2013 at 9:02 PM

O/T…Sorry AP…just had to share this feel good video of the day!

SC Gov. Nikki Haley’s visit to FN Manufacturing included test firing weapons — wearing heels.

mike_NC9 on July 22, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Seriously… this is the question WaPo used…

“There is a case in Florida in which a neighborhood watch volunteer, George Zimmerman, shot and killed an unarmed teenager, Trayvon Martin. As far as you’ve heard do you think this shooting was justified or unjustified, or do you not know enough about it to say?”

dforston on July 22, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Once we stop understanding racism as “evil” and more as a system with a specific goal we can start that long overdue, never to arrive “conversation” about race.

libfreeordie on July 22, 2013 at 2:10 PM

.
That only goes to show that we don’t agree on the definition of “racism”.

My definition is broad, but very precise:

“Racism is the belief that humanity is made up of multiple races.”

There’s really no fudging that definition. If you’re a human being, then you’re the same “race” as I am … period.
Doesn’t matter whether your ancestors are from Africa, Asia, or where ever.

‘Ethnicity’ is a legitimate word to use in defining different groups of people by culture and language, but not “race”.

listens2glenn on July 22, 2013 at 9:24 PM

So the Hispanics think he should have been judged guilty? I don’t get it. Do they know something we ont?

Alana on July 22, 2013 at 9:52 PM

mike_NC9 on July 22, 2013 at 9:09 PM

I didn’t see the heels, but I did see lots of careful shooting. Be nice to see the patterns on the targets.

unclesmrgol on July 22, 2013 at 9:53 PM

I have about had it with this poll shite.

I don’t believe anything they say anymore.

I know the real change will be on a local level

These rabble rousers can do all they like on the MSM

Flyover Country isn’t buying what they’re selling for good reason.

seesalrun2 on July 22, 2013 at 10:26 PM

The real problem is there are an incredibly large amount of very, very stupid people in this country. They do not know how to think. It is a disgusting display of ignorance to the whole world. And their leader is in the White House.

Ken James on July 22, 2013 at 10:54 PM

It’s not that hard to understand.

Once the altercation had physically begun he was within every legal right to use his gun if he was being attacked. That’s why people agree with the verdict.

But he should have never gotten out of his car in the first place. I’ve yet to hear a single shred of evidence that Trayvon was ACTUALLY doing anything wrong at all. He aroused Mr. Zimmerman’s suspicions, fair enough. But hoping out to go persue him does indeed appear unwarranted.

So… People agree with the verdict but still think he shared responsibility for the incident, and while not guilty of murder, not innocent in the event either.

This wasn’t the occasion, nor within the purview of any neighborhood watch’s normal course of action, to go after the person himself.

But he did, and two people who were sceptical of each other and on guard ended up running of them same emotions headlong into a confrontation about what the other was doing, and Mr. Zimmerman had a gun.

Many just believe there was no justifiable reason to have been chasing after him in the first place. Even if they also believe after it physically began Mr. Zimmerman had justifiable reason to defend himself.

But it was not thinking and only escalating a situation from suspicion to confrontation on both parts that caused this incident.

And it’s a situation that SHOULDN’T have escalated to the point it did.

How hard was that?!

;)

Genuine on July 22, 2013 at 10:59 PM

As long as our 26% out numbers their 40% we will keep the appearance of being a free country.

rgranger on July 22, 2013 at 10:59 PM

And it’s a situation that SHOULDN’T have escalated to the point it did.

Genuine on July 22, 2013 at 10:59 PM

Too bad Martin escalated it. He lost.

He could have completed his trip but no he came back.. and yes George was well within his rights to get out of his car… or even to get on top of it and dance like and idiot taunt TM. So all of you spinners can eat shit.

CW on July 22, 2013 at 11:16 PM

If a man in an unmarked car and no police uniform was following you around, then got out and came after you, my bet is that you’d probably be ready and feel the impending need to possibly end up having to defend yourself as well.

It’s a natural human reaction, and Mr. Zimmerman should have thought it through enough to realize that, especially if suspicion was all he was running on. It’s just not justifiable. And it contributed greatly to causing the altercation that ended with someone dead when there’s no reason the situation warranted a personal confrontation at all.

But it happened, and if Trayvon Martin had had a gun, the law would have been on his side too. But he didn’t.

Genuine on July 22, 2013 at 11:19 PM

To Genuine – First of all, he was a community watch guy, which is what they do, they watch. Secondly, if you’re going to tell me this guy is following you around and the first thing you’re going to do is sucker punch him and get him on the ground and beat on him, you’re worse than he is.

The point is, there was no inter-action either way. Trayvon should not have sucker punched him. Once he was pinned to the ground, was getting his head beat on the concrete, he had a right to fear for his life and he did what was necessary.

I’m not sure what Trayvon was thinking, but he made a major mistake and it cost him his life. Perhaps, if the thugs of this world get the idea they could end up dead for doing this stuff, they might want to ask a question or 2 first.

bflat879 on July 22, 2013 at 11:28 PM

Too bad Martin escalated it. He lost.
He could have completed his trip but no he came back.. and yes George was well within his rights to get out of his car… or even to get on top of it and dance like and idiot taunt TM. So all of you spinners can eat shit.
CW on July 22, 2013 at 11:16 PM

Riiiiiight, because an unmarked car following you and a guy getting out of it without any sort of uniform and coming after you would TOTALLY prompt you to accepting/recognizing his authority to be stopping you and attempting to detain you until police arrived because of his suspicions.

It was not justifiable for him to be attempting to personal detain Trayvon Martin.

But it was legal to pull a gun and fire a shot once the altercation ensued. And Trayvon could have justifiably pulled one on him to after it physically began.

I imagine that if you have a conceal carry license, it would have been an occasion that you were questioning whether you’d have to use it too, had you been Trayvon Martin.

They were both culpable in its escalation. And both had the same rights once it began. Just so happens though the George Zimmerman was the only one of the two who had a gun while roaming the streets that night. So, tough luck Trayvon.

But such is life.

Genuine on July 22, 2013 at 11:32 PM

To Genuine – First of all, he was a community watch guy, which is what they do, they watch.

Well stated indeed, sir or madam. They DON’T go to persuing people down on their own.

Secondly, if you’re going to tell me this guy is following you around and the first thing you’re going to do is sucker punch him and get him on the ground and beat on him, you’re worse than he is.

Like I said repeatedly, they both had a hand in escalating the situation. A hand thy neither of them should have been attempting to deal out.

The point is, there was no inter-action either way.

Well stated again.

Trayvon should not have sucker punched him.

Opinion, and rely’s completely upon circumstance. If Trayvon felt threatened, in the same way you might feel threatened if being pursued by someone in and unmarked car, people have a right to defend themselves. Just like Mr. Zimmerman did.

Once he was pinned to the ground, was getting his head beat on the concrete, he had a right to fear for his life and he did what was necessary.
I’m not sure what Trayvon was thinking, but he made a major mistake and it cost him his life.

I agree completely.

Perhaps, if the thugs of this world get the idea they could end up dead for doing this stuff, they might want to ask a question or 2 first.
bflat879 on July 22, 2013 at 11:28 PM

You mean for walking? You gonna stop to politely ask a question or two if you had a person you also deemed suspicious coming after you with no marked car, no uniform, and even going so far to come after you on foot, which mere suspicion does not justify?

I’ll assume the best of you and believe you can be objective enough to put yourself in both people’s shoes and derive some sort of empathy for both.

Genuine on July 22, 2013 at 11:46 PM

You mean for walking?

Genuine on July 22, 2013 at 11:46 PM

It really does get old correcting the facts in this case since they have been gone over endlessly. The fact is that Martin approached Zimmerman and there is nothing that contradicts this point. And most likely Martin was egged on by Jeantel who played on his apparent homophobic tendencies (as stated by Jeantel).

NotCoach on July 23, 2013 at 12:02 AM

alternative reading:
50 percent admit to not knowing enough to have an opinion
34 percent demonstrate they don’t know enough to have an opinion

chapman on July 23, 2013 at 12:11 AM

What a testament to the power of MSM Disinformation!

jaydee_007 on July 23, 2013 at 12:55 AM

Genuine on July 22, 2013 at 11:46 PM

And most likely Martin was egged on by Jeantel who played on his apparent homophobic tendencies (as stated by Jeantel).

NotCoach on July 23, 2013 at 12:02 AM

What do think, Genuine? Was Martin justified in assuming that GZ might be a gay rapist who would go after his 1/2 brother? That’s what the star witness said. What say you? Should young teens be afraid of gay rapists?

BoxHead1 on July 23, 2013 at 1:08 AM

The Rachel Jentel interview will go down the lib memory hole. THey will remember, vaguely, how she spoke simple down home truth. But they won’t remember what she said.

1. She said in the new school you take a whoopass. Hello Clockwork Orange.
2. She worried, not that Zimmerman was white-Hispanic but that he was a gay pervert.

The Rachel Jentel/Morgan interview puts the lie to this whole charade. Unfortunately, no one was actually paying attention to what she said.

Morgan challenged Elders “Rachel speaks 3 languanges , how many do you speak?”(paraphrased)

But Pierce and the most of the audience missed what RT said in her broken English. It’s funny. Everyone knows RT was lying. She wasn’t afraid of Gay predators. But it shows that she was having a conversation with Trayvon that she hasn’t shared because she made up an obviously false one. Trayvon probably wasn’t afraid of the pudgy suburbanite and he probably didn’t think Zimmerman was carrying or else he wouldn’t have “confronted” him.

Lastly, neither Trayvon or Jentel called the cops. I know, Iknow “Black people don’t trust the cops.” <~ That's a lie. Black people , yellow people, green people and every color Obama's inaugural preacher mentioned calls 911. That canard is BS*it. Everyone calls fng 911 when things get scary. EVERYONE!

BoxHead1 on July 23, 2013 at 1:31 AM

If Zimmerman had not shot him he would be dead instead.

He had no choice.

That’s it.

Sherman1864 on July 23, 2013 at 2:01 AM

“The great terror of modern society is that facts simply don’t matter to the vast majority of people. This is why we get a self destructive political system, endless debt, a dying currency, wars, and zombie movies.” — Stefan Molyneux

The facts of what has taken place and the evidence thereof are plainly laid out in public view since the George Zimmerman trial.

And yet, only 26% of the population agrees with the conclusion that the jurists of said trial have come to: that the shooting of Trayvon Martin was justified under statues of self defense within Florida Law. That only an additional 13% of the population only partially agrees with the verdict reinforces this one situation we’re in:

We’re hosed. We’re hosed because most people won’t even bother making any effort to find the truth.

If they won’t even provide effort to that task, they will not be able to provide sufficient effort to defend their own freedoms.

Chaz706 on July 23, 2013 at 2:30 AM

The problem with polls, as always, is who is controlling them. I wouldn’t put a lot of faith in anything ABC news & the Washington Post put out. Of course the poll results are skewed by the information fed to the respondents. Where the poll was taken also figures in. How many people, who actually followed the trial closely, feel this way?

Boats48 on July 23, 2013 at 5:08 AM

In a world where the Talent Required To Learn A Living (TREL) grows ever higher and a world where the ability of black children to compete grows ever lower, blacks are being obsolete in the competitive world. Young black males, growing up fatherless in 80% of the cases, with no one to discipline them and drifting into a “gangsta” contra-culture often exacerbated and glorified by Hollywood and the music world have turned large sections of American cities into cesspools more dangerous than Baghdad. On a chart the TREL is continually rising while the quality of young black males is descending.It is fair to say that from a competitive point of view blacks are LOSING GROUND in the war to survive and unless this situation is reversed they will take America with them.And the biggest enemy these blacks have (and all America as well) is POLITICAL CORRECTNESS–including liberal politicians, a look-the-other-way MSM, an exploitative Hollywood, demagogic self-styled black race baiters such as Sharpton and Jackson and teachers either too terrified or too bureaucratized to educate black children.

The Zimmerman Trial only a diversion from reality but the poll does indicated how effective PC has become.

MaiDee on July 23, 2013 at 6:43 AM

Thoughts:

1. Polls and polls have nothing to do with ‘Justice’, as it pertains yo what the law says and requires. It is obvious that many people, primarily blacks, BELIEVE … FEEL … Zimmerman should have been found ‘Guilty’, but that is not what the LAW dictated.

2. How many of those who believe Zimmerman should have been found guilty also think the black man who shot and killed his white attacker then avoided even being arrested by claiming ‘Stand Your Ground’ should have been arrested and found guilty of murder as well?

easyt65 on July 23, 2013 at 8:02 AM

If the 40% was on the bottom of the fight with their nose broken and their head being bashed on the ground repeatedly, wondering if they were about to die, they would think it was a righteous shooting

NoPain on July 23, 2013 at 8:28 AM

The 50% of responses saying they don’t know enough is what makes the whole poll ridiculous.

The vast majority are answering based on their perceptions instead of the facts and reality.

ButterflyDragon on July 23, 2013 at 9:20 AM

The most significant poll was Nov 7 2012 when it was shown how utterly ignorant and corrupt 51% of Americans have become through greed and selfishness. Polling the public for any cause is a lost cause. It will take a catastrophic event with much horror and death to awaken the lost 51% but I doubt even then that will work as they already swallow every lie fed to them.

wepeople on July 23, 2013 at 9:35 AM

I wonder how many of those 40% would change their mind if we put them on their back on the ground in the dark in the rain, had someone standing over them beating them, and put a gun in their hand?

Hmmm….

On second thought I am sure every one of them would take their tail whoopin’ and accepted that same lesson Trayvon was trying to teach Z that night without putting up a fight.

easyt65 on July 23, 2013 at 10:33 AM

What this latest polling shows is that blacks are overwhelmingly racist – and other polling data is beginning to suggest that everyone knows that already.

When all you see is race, that is pretty much the definition. I expect this is becoming the boy who cried wolf – and more and more whites will continue to tune this out completely. We have seen how their intitial exodus out of Detroit was helpful to that town.

Zomcon JEM on July 23, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Nation of Laws, not Nation of Polls.

Let’s remind everyone what the White House told us about Obamacare:

It’s. The. Law.

Applies here too. Especially since it is a State of Florida law. Residents of other states can go suck lemons.
—-

Of course, if the race-baiters hadn’t decided to create a whole new class called “white Hispanic” then this never would be an issue.

ProfShadow on July 23, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Let me ask a question. Why didn’t the drug addled jewelry thief thug wannabe just go in his dad’s place? Maybe because his drug propelled ego prompted him to go after GZ and sucker punch him. J think the evidence says yes.

scboy on July 23, 2013 at 11:29 AM

The most important poll is 100% of the jurors believed it was justified.

JohnBrown on July 23, 2013 at 11:44 AM

But he should have never gotten out of his car in the first place.

Genuine on July 22, 2013 at 10:59 PM

Another moron implies that Zimmerman should have not exited his vehicle while parked in his own neighborhood… Because he should have “profiled” Martin as prone to violence black man and there was a good chance he might be viciously and violently attack and assaulted by him, or something. It should be against the law to exit your vehicle and look around the corner of a building in your own neighborhood in such circumstances, because you might get attacked and have to shoot someone and then it will be in part your fault for looking like an easy target to a prone to violence black man, or something.

Anyone in the neighborhood could have legally and within the law done exactly what Zimmerman did, NW or nor, when they saw a suspicious looking individual run around the corner of a building 200 ft away. Presumably everyone in the neighborhood under such circumstance should run into their homes, lock the doors, turn out the lights, and cower in a corner somewhere while calling 9-11. So when the cops arrive ten minutes later they can tell them “he ran around that corner ten minutes ago”.

It was not justifiable for him to be attempting to personal detain Trayvon Martin.

Genuine on July 22, 2013 at 11:32 PM

The prosecution presented no testimony or evidence to support this hypothetical.

Idiot.

They were both culpable in its escalation.

The jury did not think the prosecution presented testimony or evidence to support this hypothetical. Did you watch the trial?

What evidence and testimony did the prosecution miss that you are privy to, other than your own fantasies?

If the prosecution thought Zimmerman was legally culpable for anything other than what he was charged with the prosecution would have charged him with the lesser charges along with Murder Two. They didn’t. They could not even charge him with a CCW violation. They had nothing. It should have never gone to trial.

It really does get old correcting the facts in this case since they have been gone over endlessly. The fact is that Martin approached Zimmerman and there is nothing that contradicts this point.

NotCoach on July 23, 2013 at 12:02 AM

Yes it does. And when not even Krauthammer can get the facts and the timeline straight and based on a falsehood blames Zimmerman for not following the dispatcher’s advice to not “follow”…

Situation Hopeless.

The spineless cowardly pundits and politicians on the Right let the Left lie, misrepresent, and distort the truth once again.

farsighted on July 23, 2013 at 12:30 PM

You’re right. It’s amazing how the lefty blogs and cable shows continue to perpetuate misinformation in order to prolong this issue. It’s almost as if the trial never occurred and the facts aren’t available. The reality is that this is the new Orwellian tactic with liberals.

blink on July 23, 2013 at 9:34 AM

“Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful” — George Orwell.

farsighted on July 23, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Looking at the results of whether the shooting was justified I find hispanics (50% saying they don’t know enough about it) to be the most honest group polled.

agmartin on July 23, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Great comment on PJmedia worth reposting here…

SilverAge

This illustrates something that’s been pissing me off about the coverage of this case from day one.

Even on websites that don’t toe the Left/MSM line (like this one) many if not most columnists writing about the case have attempted to be “fair” or “evenhanded” by using boileplate language like “Zimmerman’s no angel…” or “there are no heroes here…”. The basic thrust is always the same: even if Zimmerman deserves acquittal this tragedy could have been avoided if only he wasn’t such a screwed up loose cannon.

Well, I call BS. Everything we know about Zimmerman paints a picture of a man who tries to help others, often at risk to himself. Everything we know about Martin tells us his highest aspiration was to be a thug. There’s nothing fair or evenhanded about denying those things. The world would be a much better place with more George Zimmerman’s in it.

farsighted on July 23, 2013 at 1:17 PM

The Many Misperceptions of the Martin-Zimmerman Matter

By Jack Dunphy

To watch the news today, it’s as if there never was a trial clearing George Zimmerman.

farsighted on July 23, 2013 at 1:23 PM

More about the lies, the deliberate distortion of the facts, and the falsehoods and misrepresentations in this case from the beginning, in particular allegations, taken as fact, of racial profiling by Zimmerman, the racist.

What Do Zimmerman’s Calls to Police Show About His View of Black Men?

I have been struck by the frequency with which many commenting on this case, including the public on social media — but also journalists, scholars, and lawyers, all of whom should prize fidelity to facts — have made bald, confident assertions, often without citing any evidence, and sometimes in direct contradiction to the available evidence…

My primary purpose in this post, then, is to place the facts on this particular issue in the law prof blog domain so that conclusions that are drawn about GZ’s racial profiling — whatever those conclusions are — are based on the facts, as best as we can know them. (This post is limited to the phone logs that are receiving the bulk of attention and seem most relevant to the shooting…

farsighted on July 23, 2013 at 3:13 PM

BoxHead1 on July 23, 2013 at 1:31 AM

Blacks call 911 when McDonald’s is out of Chicken McNuggets (also Florida, btw – Port St. Lucie)

PJ Emeritus on July 23, 2013 at 3:13 PM

I personally know black people who truly despise white people. Like George Zimmerman, they are not inhuman monsters. Unlike George Zimmerman they actually think about those issues and why, but they are also academics so perhaps they are just the introspective type.

libfreeordie on July 22, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Did they take any white people to prom or mentor them?

If not, that dog won’t hunt.

Wagthatdog on July 23, 2013 at 3:34 PM

An example of just how bad the Left’s reporting on this is…

From July 16, 2013, in the New Republic…

The Law that Acquitted Zimmerman Isn’t Racist But that doesn’t mean the outcome wasn’t

By contrast, Zimmerman was an edgy basket case with a gun who had called 911 46 times in 15 months, once to report the suspicious activities of a seven year old black boy.

This is a blatant falsehood.

A Few Zimmerman-Related Notes

VI. Today on a law professor listserv I frequent, one of the members was fulminating about how Zimmerman had once called 911 because he was afraid of a seven-year-old black boy, and this shows how racist Zimmerman is, and so forth and so on. The professor cited to this blog post at breakingbrown.com. The post cites to a Daily Beast post about Zimmarman’s interactions with the police. The first thing that raised my suspicion was the Beast made it clear that the call was to the police non-emergency number, not 911. The Beast reported the call log as:

April 22, 2011 – 7:09 p.m. Type: TEL Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Juvenile black male “apprx 7–9” years old, four feet tall “skinny build short blk hair” last seen wearing a blue t-shirt and blue shorts.

This presented me with two possibilities: this was either strong evidence that Zimmerman was truly a paranoid racist nutjob, or the “suspicious activity” he reported was something along the lines of an unsupervised child. So I spent less then a minute googling and found the more detailed police description of his call (page 37 of the link), which paraphrased Zimmerman as follows: “Advsd is walking alone & is not supervised on busy street compl concerned for well-being.”

And thus a call from Zimmerman expressing concern for the safety of a young boy walking alone on a busy street gets turned into Zimmerman calling 911 on a seven year African American boy that he feared because of his racist paranoia. Unfortunately, lots of people seem to be only reading websites like BreakingBrown and not bothering to check on what they read so long as it fits the narrative they’ve already adopted. As noted, even law professors, who one would think would try to investigate before spreading libelous rumors, aren’t immune (though I should note based on blogs and social media I’ve seen, most crim law and evidence professors, including most liberal ones, think that the jury came to the correct conclusion based on the evidence presented).

farsighted on July 23, 2013 at 3:38 PM

And it contributed greatly to causing the altercation that ended with someone dead when there’s no reason the situation warranted a personal confrontation at all.

But it happened, and if Trayvon Martin had had a gun, the law would have been on his side too. But he didn’t.

Genuine on July 22, 2013 at 11:19 PM

I agree, following isn’t a reason to punch somebody in the nose.

Wagthatdog on July 23, 2013 at 3:40 PM

From July 16, 2013, in the New Republic…

The Law that Acquitted Zimmerman Isn’t Racist But that doesn’t mean the outcome wasn’t

By contrast, Zimmerman was an edgy basket case with a gun who had called 911 46 times in 15 months, once to report the suspicious activities of a seven year old black boy.

Also, about “who had called 911 46 times in 15 months”.

From this article…

What Do Zimmerman’s Calls to Police Show About His View of Black Men?

A note about the number of calls GZ made. I’ve listed 43 incidents over about 7.5 years.

farsighted on July 23, 2013 at 3:47 PM

About all that “following”…

Over the course of about two minutes of “following” these are the statements and questions the NEN dispatcher made and asked Zimmerman…

Transcript

after the [00:42] mark in the call, all the dispatcher talking…Zimmerman’s replies/statements omitted

He’s just walking around the area, the houses? OK.

He’s near the clubhouse now?

Let me know if he does anything, OK?

Just let me know if this guy does anything else.

at the [2:08] mark in the call

He’s running? Which way is he running?

George was in his vehicle throughout these. He exited his vehicle at about the same time the last was asked.

Dispatcher: Are you following him? [2:24]

George: Yeah. [2:25]

Dispatcher: OK. We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]

Zimmerman: OK. [2:28]

Wow. About 19-20 whole seconds of totally irresponsible behavior on Zimmerman’s part. And apprently 2 whole seconds of “ignoring” (Krauthammer’s word) the dispatcher’s command order instructions advice (Krauthammer’s word) not to “follow”.

And during that 19-20 seconds Zimmerman had no idea where Martin was because he had disappeared around the corner of a building about 200 ft away before he left his vehicle to hunt down stalk track “follow” Martin.

farsighted on July 23, 2013 at 4:09 PM

MG! This is horrible. Has anyone else heard this story?
http://cnsnews.com/commentary/charlie-daniels/aftermath-agendas-making-trayvon-martins-tragedy-far-worse

In the time that the Zimmerman trial was going on there were sixty-one murders in Chicago, forty-three of them were black males and seven of those black males were under the age of 18, most of them died from gunshot wounds, all violent, all senseless. Do Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson just not care as much about the black male population of Chicago or is it that they just can’t garner as much media attention there?

Speaking of media attention, a young white couple, students at the University of Tennessee in Knoxville, was carjacked, raped, tortured and murdered.

The young man, Christopher Newsome, was raped and beaten, then castrated, shot, his body dumped by train tracks and set on fire while his girlfriend, Channon Christian, was forced to watch.

Channon was gang raped over a period of days, her breasts cut off while she was still alive, then had cleaning fluid sprayed in her mouth in an attempt to erase the traces of DNA and her body put into a garbage receptacle.

Maybe you’re wondering why you haven’t heard about this inhuman crime, perhaps you think your local paper didn’t had time to cover it yet.

I seriously doubt that, since the crime took place in August of 2006, and of your local news outlets, most probably never covered it. I live about 150 miles from where it took place and, to the everlasting shame of networks and the local news media I didn’t hear about it either until somebody brought my attention to it on the internet.

How could a crime this heinous, this inhuman, this completely evil escape the notice of the mass media and the talking heads who are always screaming for equal justice under the law?

Simple, it doesn’t fit their agenda, the perpetrators were all black, all five of them. If this wasn’t a case of blatant racism, I truly don’t know what is. Do you honestly believe there wasn’t racial bias involved in the choosing of the victims and the malicious violence that was done to them, and yet this story, one of the most hideous murders of the decade, was not covered by the media and was completely ignored by the so called civil rights leaders of all colors.

A dangerous precedent has been set by Eric Holder’s Justice Department and aided and abetted by the mainstream American media, selective prosecution and selective journalism all calculated to push a political agenda that drives the races in this nation farther apart every day.

No good will come from Al Sharpton calling for demonstrations around the nation, already a group of blacks have beaten a random Hispanic citizen claiming, “This is for Trayvon”.

What’s the difference in this and what the KKK was doing a few short decades ago? Is this what Sharpton and his ilk want to see happen, anarchy in the name of prejudice? Isn’t that very thing that he’s supposed to be fighting against?

America cannot continue down this path and remain the land of the free and the home of the brave where all men are equal under the law.

America desperately needs a president who is a uniter, not a divider, a Justice Department that actually wants to enforce the law equally, regardless of color or race, a Congress and Senate who could reclaim their testicles and a media which reports the news instead of trying to make it.

Blind hate is blind hate no matter what color it comes in.

I will not be a part of it.

avagreen on July 24, 2013 at 12:34 PM

40% thinks that Zimmerman should have let Martin kill him. OK, I get it now.

cajunpatriot on July 24, 2013 at 12:53 PM

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