Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on July 21, 2013 by Allahpundit

After relentlessly defending for months the Senate’s ambitious overhaul of the nation’s immigration laws, Sen. Marco Rubio didn’t respond when House GOP leaders last week trashed it as a “flawed … massive, Obama-care like bill.”

The Florida Republican’s office, which churned out countless press releases touting his interviews and speeches about the legislation, hasn’t said a word about immigration since the Senate passed the bill on June 27…

By stepping back from the limelight, Rubio is acknowledging the limits of his own powers of persuasion as well as political realities.

***

The very issue Rubio (and Harris) thought would be a game-changing, legacy-builder looks like a big liability for the Florida senator, at least right now. In the process, the self-confident presidential hopeful suddenly looks wobbly, even a little weak, as he searches for what’s next.

Rubio spent six months working over Senate Republicans only to get stiffed by 70 percent of them. He has gone underground on the issue ever since, ducking reporters on Capitol Hill…

Rubio appears to have miscalculated how much Republican support he could win in the Senate – and how much conservative backlash he could avoid outside of it. And now he feels stuck

All of this leaves the senator in the position of looking like an outlier, not a leader – not the place a guy with big ambitions wants to be.

***

The lesson, of course, is that there are far greater rewards in moving with the herd than in trying to change its direction, even if its direction leads over a cliff. While Rubio was working to accomplish something difficult — to improve the status quo — most of his likely rivals for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination offered no constructive proposals. And if immigration reform dies, the do-nothings will be the ones feted (and not only by Politico) for their political savvy.

Rubio is young and talented. Too bad he made the rookie mistake of trying.

***

First, we have the idea that “showing political strength” by pissing off the right wing gives one a certain gravitas. And then we have the need to not look like a policy “chump.” Call me crazy, but I do not think these are the two things one needs to win a Republican primary. What were Obama’s big policy achievements again? Romney even won his nomination by disowning his biggest policy victory. And pissing off the right is not going to get him his primary funding, especially in the age of super PACs.

But the crucial point isn’t that these moves are irrational. Rather, it’s that Rubio may very well have believed they were rational.

***

Although it is still early in the process, some conservative pundits and “tea party” activists already are writing off Rubio, R-Fla., because of his role in crafting the bipartisan “Gang of Eight” bill that the Senate passed June 27 on a 68-32 vote.

“I think it’s just foolish,” McCain, R-Ariz., told The Arizona Republic on Friday. “I’m not endorsing anyone, but I can tell you Marco Rubio is an articulate spokesperson for what conservatives believe in, in principle. And if we pass immigration reform, which is certainly not clear, he would get enormous credit for it.”…

“We tried very hard (to pass immigration reform in 2007), and we failed, and I was still able to get the nomination,” McCain said…

“I think he has helped his chances immeasurably by being involved in the immigration debate,” Flake said of Rubio. “In the end, Republicans are going to want to win in the general election, and I think they will recognize that we’ve got to have somebody who can do that.”

***

Now that it’s clear that the base of the GOP – as expressed in the House GOP’s diehard desire to kill reform – is emphatically not on board with the Senate immigration bill to which he tied his fate, his whole plan for the 2016 run is basically in a shambles and his support among conservatives is falling rapidly…

If you’ve watched over recent weeks, Rubio has been casting around for basically any right wing position to grab on to. First, there was his quixotic demand to shut down the government if Obamacare isn’t defunded. Then yesterday he tried to filibuster the Perez nomination even after the Senate nuclear option deal. And there have been various other examples. But as Dave Weigel aptly notes, now every desperate lurch right looks self-serving, cynical and well … desperate.

So now Rubio seems trapped, on the wrong side of his party’s base on a key issue – and one that looks unlikely even to deliver legislation that might have bipartisanship traction with middle-ground voters. It’s one thing to say ‘I bucked my party to bring change the country needs’, another to say ‘I bucked my party on change my country needs but it actually didn’t pan out. Sorry.’

***

[B]oth McCain and Romney had two resources that enabled them to overcome weak fields in a context where opponents were killing each other off demolition-derby style: high name ID and a willingness to repudiate much of their own past records to build trust among movement conservatives. McCain also had a very positive personal “story” and Romney had endless sums of money…

Having been snookered and maneuvered into nominating candidates they didn’t much trust or like for two consecutive cycles, conservative activists are probably going to be a lot more careful in 2016 about picking their champions and splitting their votes. For a guy like Marco Rubio, that means he has a very small margin of error in dealing with “the base.” Perhaps following up his immigration reform number with a long series of base-pleasing positions will rehabilitate him enough to pass the smell test in Iowa and elsewhere; perhaps Josh is right and Marco’s will smell fishier every day. But unlike McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012, Rubio (or for that matter, any other “elite” favorite, like, say, Chris Chritie) can’t count on a scattered and erratic field of rivals who keep running into each other’s clown cars, or a “base” that can’t make up its mind what it wants.

***

Here’s my guess: he’s toast for 2016, but might make a comeback later. He’s pretty young, after all. The specific question that Josh and Ed are tossing around, though, is this: how can we say that Rubio is doomed just because he’s pissed off the base over immigration reform? After all, the last two Republican nominees had big base problems too…

Rubio’s problem is that, immigration aside, he’s very clearly a creature of the tea party. If he runs, he’s going to be one of the guys competing like a pit bull for the 40 percent of the base they represent. But with immigration working against him, he has no chance of coming out on top. In a nutshell, he’s dead to the tea partiers and he’s too rabidly right-wing to make a play for the center. For now, he’s got nothing.

That could all change in the future, and frankly I think he’d be smart to regroup and think about 2020 or 2024. But this is why Rubio is toast for now. Immigration was his ticket to a share of the moderate vote, and that’s now looking like a bad bet.

***

[I]t’s just far too soon to know what effect support for a comprehensive bill will do to Rubio’s chances. Again, even assuming nothing passes, there’s no guarantee that immigration will be an effective issue in Iowa and New Hampshire, or even in the invisible primary in the months leading up to those events. There’s just so much we don’t know — will the economy thrive, or collapse? Will wars break out? What new issues will emerge? What new stars will emerge in the party, and who will they endorse?

Marshall believes that Rubio was something of a fluke candidate anyway, with immigration as his only real accomplishment. But that’s not true. Defeating then-RINO Charlie Crist, and then winning statewide in Florida, is Rubio’s real calling card. And that’s not going to go away.

Indeed, we don’t even yet know the outcome of the immigration fight in Congress. Even if you believe that no bill will emerge, it’s easy to imagine several different scenarios in how it dies — and not all of them leave Rubio equally estranged from anti-citizenship conservatives. It’s not altogether impossible, for example, that the House could pass something that they call comprehensive immigration (even without citizenship) and bring it to a conference committee, and that while the parties deadlock there Rubio becomes the champion of that “compromise.”

***

If Schumer-Rubio passes, Rubio will own every single tiny little amnesty implementation hiccup. E-verify fails? Blame Rubio. The wall hasn’t been started yet? Rubio’s fault. The amnesty itself is riven with obvious fraud. Rubio got rolled.

Another Rubio ally tells Politico, “If the bill fails, the only way Republicans could win the Hispanic vote in a national election would be with him on the ticket.”

This is much closer to the mark. Rubio’s best hope is that Schumer-Rubio dies a quick death in the House and is forgotten by Republican primary voters as quickly as possible. Rubio could then turn the tables on Democrats, blaming their insistence on creating entire new government agencies and slush funds for activist groups for getting in the way of immigration reform.

***

Fresh off a bruising immigration bill fight that cost him support among some on the Republican right, Sen. Marco Rubio is refocusing on bread-and-butter issues that play better with the GOP base: defunding President Obama’s health law, promoting pro-life policies and attacking the United Nations…

Mr. Rubio also on Wednesday helped lead the floor fight against Mr. Obama’s nominee to head the Labor Department, arguing that Thomas E. Perez is thumbing his nose at subpoenas from the House and must be blocked…

“I don’t think it’s necessary for him to strain any pander muscles to maintain his friendship with conservatives,” Mr Reed said. “He just needs to be himself and take the strong stands on issues he has throughout his career and he’ll be fine.”

***

Senator Marco Rubio says he supports Florida’s “stand your ground” law. The Florida Republican talked with reporters Friday about the law that’s been in the national spotlight during the George Zimmerman case.

Rubio said self-defense is a constitutional right.

“Every law is open for review, but I think we should be reminded that every American has a right to self-defense.”

***


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Freedom!!!!!!!!

KCB on July 21, 2013 at 8:02 PM

LAST!!

canopfor on July 21, 2013 at 8:02 PM

Let’s talk about…
Immigration..

Electrongod on July 21, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Go strong or don’t go at all.

KCB on July 21, 2013 at 8:03 PM

ObamaCare has already failed????

Like a Pinto as a pace car at Indianapolis 500

Electrongod on July 21, 2013 at 8:06 PM

“We tried very hard (to pass immigration reform in 2007), and we failed, and I was still able to get the nomination,” McCain said…

Only because you were NextInLine™ by virtue of your 2nd-place finish in 2000, Johnny-boy.

With that said, I wouldn’t be surprised if Rubio finished 2nd in 2016 to become the 2020 nominee (no, I have no hope that Rick Santorum will beat whichever out-of-left-field candidate the Rats put up).

Steve Eggleston on July 21, 2013 at 8:06 PM

God damn all the traitors of the land.

Schadenfreude on July 21, 2013 at 8:09 PM

pissing off the right wing gives one a certain gravitas

Uh, no. It comes from pissing off the squishes and the left.

Herculean QOTD, btw.

John the Libertarian on July 21, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Ken and EG always make the top 5. Always. How do they do it? How?

Hey, there is Commander Canopy up there too. (:

SparkPlug on July 21, 2013 at 8:12 PM

By stepping back from the limelight, Rubio is acknowledging the limits of his own powers of persuasion as well as political realities.
===========

Hmmmm,…………..damage control eh!

canopfor on July 21, 2013 at 8:12 PM

When you run on one thing, and do another, it’s not that difficult to realize you are a traitorous scumbag.

faraway on July 21, 2013 at 8:12 PM

I dismissed him as playing Hispanic identity-based politics. I reject that, and so, him.

Paul-Cincy on July 21, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Hey, there is Commander Canopy up there too. (:

SparkPlug on July 21, 2013 at 8:12 PM

We came in last…
:)

Electrongod on July 21, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Hey, there is Commander Canopy up there too. (:

SparkPlug on July 21, 2013 at 8:12 PM

SparkPlug:

Linky ComBat Command at Your Service:)

canopfor on July 21, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Johnnie Mc’s kiss of death…

d1carter on July 21, 2013 at 8:15 PM

We…???

He…

["W" isn't even close the "H"...
Hmmmm ]

Electrongod on July 21, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Line by line time:

The very issue Rubio (and Harris) thought would be a game-changing,

For Dems

legacy-builder

See above

looks like a big liability

Was it ever anything else?

for the Florida senator, at least right now.

/inhale(crack)

In the process, the self-confident

Self-righteous is more like it

presidential hopeful

Aww, my heart bleeds

suddenly looks wobbly,

Wasted efforts getting him there

even a little weak,

Derp

as he searches for what’s next.

Anything will do

Rubio spent six months

Too much time for bills

working over Senate Republicans

Which, strangely enough, should have been the easy part

only to get stiffed by 70 percent of them.

See above

He has gone underground

Until we mention him

on the issue ever since,

Spinning takes time

ducking reporters on Capitol Hill…

Any press isn’t good press, as it turns out

Rubio appears to have miscalculated

As we did

how much Republican support

3rd time now

he could win in the Senate

Make that 4

– and how much conservative backlash

Underestimation

he could avoid outside of it.

Zero

And now he feels stuck…

Sympathy is hard

All of this leaves the senator

Small “s” indeed

in the position of looking like an outlier,

Up for debate

not a leader

Not up for debate

– not the place a guy with big ambitions wants to be.

Life isn’t fair Marco

nobar on July 21, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Rubio’s problem is that, immigration aside, he’s very clearly a creature of the tea party. If he runs, he’s going to be one of the guys competing like a pit bull for the 40 percent of the base they represent. But with immigration working against him, he has no chance of coming out on top. In a nutshell, he’s dead to the tea partiers and he’s too rabidly right-wing to make a play for the center. For now, he’s got nothing.

…oh he’s rabid alright!…but it sure isn’t from being right wing!

KOOLAID2 on July 21, 2013 at 8:16 PM

The lesson, of course, is that there are far greater rewards in moving with the herd than in trying to change its direction
===========================================================

D*mmitt,

thats what happens when RINO’s get intermingled with Elephants
during a race to the political cliff(s)!
(sarc)

canopfor on July 21, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Come on you guys.

Just because Rubio is a lying jack-weasel who will, in effect, destroy freedom and prosperity as we know it and turn the USA into a third world hell hole is no reason to treat him with disrepect.

SparkPlug on July 21, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Rubio can’t be trusted period.

gophergirl on July 21, 2013 at 8:17 PM

One begins to wonder if voting for any GOP) candidate isn’t orchestrated suicide.

McCain is now openly helping Obama take away our guns. How long before he declares his real soul-pure as pro-socialist? Convince me it’s just a wayward ego…please!

Don L on July 21, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Call me crazy,
================

Noooo,I don’t think so,er at least
not tonight!
(sarc)

canopfor on July 21, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Rubio is so hated by the base they are even trying to change the law in order to be able to recall him.

Bubio might as well make it official and change his registration to Democrat because he is dead in any future race.

You can not run on a 100% lie and have a future in the GOP.

Steveangell on July 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM

By stepping back from the limelight, Rubio is acknowledging the limits of his own powers of persuasion as well as political realities.

BS, big fella. You own this turd. Paired up with Schumer, Menendez, McCain and Graham the Chuckhead fukhead quartet. What, you no feel the love from us?

arnold ziffel on July 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Ed! Allah!

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Here’s the latest from this morning:
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In the words of The Great One… thank me later

deedtrader on July 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM

How do they do it? How?

SparkPlug on July 21, 2013 at 8:12 PM

They get a tingle in their pants and a lump in their throat when they sense the QOTD is being posted. Or is it the other way around? I forget.

John the Libertarian on July 21, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Ladies. Rubio is the guy you catch in bed with your younger sister, and he says “hey, what’s the problem?”

faraway on July 21, 2013 at 8:21 PM

nobar on July 21, 2013 at 8:15 PM

…nice post!

KOOLAID2 on July 21, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Rubio is more dangerous than 50 jihad terror groups.

SparkPlug on July 21, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Rubio is young and talented. Too bad he made the rookie mistake of trying lying.

Fixed it!

bw222 on July 21, 2013 at 8:23 PM

You can not run on a 100% lie and have a future in the GOP.

Steveangell on July 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Sure, the vast majority of the entire GOP ran as conservatives for years and pretended to be the opposition while bumbling their way through complicit co-ruling games. Trust no one approved by the GOP. (well maybe Palin and Cruz because they are the GOP’s enemies))

Don L on July 21, 2013 at 8:24 PM

I will be eternally grateful for Rubio’s amnesty push. He let us know early what he was and now we can deal with it appropriately for 2016.

kim roy on July 21, 2013 at 8:24 PM

Evening all. He lost “trust.” Hard to get that back!

CoffeeLover on July 21, 2013 at 8:24 PM

New Zealand got rocked by a 6.9 today,

its China’s turn,and a 6.1????
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5.9 earthquake, 15km E of Chabu, China. Jul 22 07:45 at epicenter (19m ago, 97km Tianshui, depth 1km). http://j.mp/12WK30a

https://twitter.com/NewEarthquake

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/

canopfor on July 21, 2013 at 8:25 PM

One word answer. Cruz.

KCB on July 21, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Evening all. He lost “trust.” Hard to get that back!

CoffeeLover on July 21, 2013 at 8:24 PM

You speak wisely…
:)

Evening..

Electrongod on July 21, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Rubio, when pushing this bill, stressed the border security provisions and the length of time it would take for a “pathway to citizenship.” The bill does nothing other than to affirm we should strengthen southern borders when the laws on the books that say just that are already being ignored. And that long path to citizenship doesn’t apply to millions that would be fast-tracked immediately a point that he stressed on Spanish language TV but not on simultaneous English language TV interviews.

Rubio is a shifty rat bastard who cannot be trusted. His aspirations for higher office anytime soon were killed by his own lies.

Happy Nomad on July 21, 2013 at 8:25 PM

I would really like to see Senate terms reduced to four years with half the Senate facing election every two years. With a six year team Senators believe they can get away with just about anything for the first four or five years and voters will forget about it.

bw222 on July 21, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Ladies. Rubio is the guy you catch in bed with your younger sister, and he says “hey, what’s the problem?”

faraway on July 21, 2013 at 8:21 PM

And the fiscal and libertarian right will then say, “but you’ve got to attract the independent votes so back off bro….”

Don L on July 21, 2013 at 8:26 PM

“We tried very hard (to pass immigration reform in 2007), and we failed, and I was still able to get the nomination,” McCain said…

And what effin good did that do the country, not to mention the party, fool!!!

ShainS on July 21, 2013 at 8:28 PM

One begins to wonder if voting for any GOP) candidate isn’t orchestrated suicide.

McCain is now openly helping Obama take away our guns. How long before he declares his real soul-pure as pro-socialist? Convince me it’s just a wayward ego…please!

Don L on July 21, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Either conservatives have to clean the GOP out from the inside or cut their losses and go third party and try to get something useful out of that.

If we can’t clean out the GOP then we are going to either lose to RINOs/dem-lite or go full retard with Dem.

kim roy on July 21, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Marco -

Not all is lost. You have some great campaign slogans:

Chuck Schumer thinks “the world of me” and I am one of Chuck Schumer’s Republicans.

bw222 on July 21, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Electrongod on July 21, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Hey you :)

CoffeeLover on July 21, 2013 at 8:29 PM

WaPo’s turn

[I]t’s just far too soon to know what effect support for a comprehensive bill will do to Rubio’s chances.

Political death

Again, even assuming nothing passes,

We can only hope

there’s no guarantee that immigration will be an effective issue in Iowa and New Hampshire,

Why is Iowa even relevant?

or even in the invisible primary in the months leading up to those events.

2012 replay

There’s just so much we don’t know

Admitting the problem is step 1

— will the economy thrive,

HAHAHAHAHA

or collapse?

Detroit says “HELP!”

Will wars break out?

In some ME hellhole

What new issues will emerge?

Zimmerman

What new stars will emerge in the party,

You’ll be telling us, it’s who you fear

and who will they endorse?

UGH

Marshall believes that Rubio was something of a fluke candidate anyway,

As was Jeff Flake

with immigration as his only real accomplishment.

Which still hasn’t passed, btw

But that’s not true.

WaPo immune to facts

Defeating then-RINO Charlie Crist,

Hindsight 20/20

and then winning statewide in Florida,

See above

is Rubio’s real calling card.

Win one, win always – Obama

And that’s not going to go away.

Buried under amnesty

Indeed, we don’t even yet know the outcome of the immigration fight in Congress.

Obamacare provides some history

Even if you believe that no bill will emerge,

Optimism and me = death

it’s easy to imagine several different scenarios in how it dies

And comes back (AGAIN)

— and not all of them leave Rubio equally estranged

Face of the enemy

from anti-citizenship conservatives.

Strawman

It’s not altogether impossible,

But likely

for example, that the House could pass something

And they will

that they call comprehensive immigration

Comprehensive = Pass it to know it

(even without citizenship)

HAHAHAHAHA

and bring it to a conference committee,

That happens no matter what

and that while the parties deadlock

Dream scenario

there Rubio becomes the champion of that “compromise.”

DC protects their own

nobar on July 21, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Ken and EG always make the top 5. Always. How do they do it? How?

Hey, there is Commander Canopy up there too. (:

SparkPlug on July 21, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Bishop is letting them.

Steve Eggleston on July 21, 2013 at 8:30 PM

MeanWhile…..Boehner weighs in……

The Hill ‏@thehill 1h

Boehner promises more votes against ObamaCare http://j.mp/13vjsai
View summary
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canopfor on July 21, 2013 at 8:30 PM

…nice post!

KOOLAID2 on July 21, 2013 at 8:22 PM

The UFBS (utter f8cking bullshit) radar was triggered. It’s how I vent.

nobar on July 21, 2013 at 8:31 PM

Hey you :)

CoffeeLover on July 21, 2013 at 8:29 PM

You…

110 degrees here in Southern Idaho…
Well…it was…

Electrongod on July 21, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Bishop is letting them.

Steve Eggleston on July 21, 2013 at 8:30 PM

He ain’t letting us do it for free…

KCB on July 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Marco Rubio
Marco Rubio Verified account
@marcorubio

Proud to represent Florida in the United States Senate.

US of A · marcorubio.com
************************

https://twitter.com/marcorubio

canopfor on July 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

So you fellers harping on Rubio still think there’s a Republican out there who has any hope in hell of reforming the party?

Pardon me while I go find a corner to die of laughter in.

gryphon202 on July 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Hel-looo weekend!

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canopfor on July 21, 2013 at 8:36 PM

So you fellers harping on Rubio still think there’s a Republican out there who has any hope in hell of reforming the party?

Pardon me while I go find a corner to die of laughter in.

gryphon202 on July 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

So, your idea of reforming the party is to add 10 million Dem voters?

I guess you’re right, that would ‘reform’ the party.

faraway on July 21, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Romney even won his nomination by disowning his biggest policy victory.

it just have to stop reading here and mention that it is impossible for the left/pundit/media not to lie. Romney never disowned romneycare…he always said it was good (at least as passed) in MA..not just for the whole county.

leftists can not not lie. And that is a huge problem since they seem to control most of the country.

r keller on July 21, 2013 at 8:36 PM

SparkPlug on July 21, 2013 at 8:12 PM

We came in last…
:)

Electrongod on July 21, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Electrongod:I was hedging my bets–:O

canopfor on July 21, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Hel-looo weekend!

annoyinglittletwerp on July 21, 2013 at 8:34 PM

annoyinglittletwerp:Evening ALT:)

canopfor on July 21, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Hel-looo weekend!

annoyinglittletwerp on July 21, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Hey Twerp. A belated welcome back from the gulag of moderation. I hope it proves to be worth the trouble you went through to get reinstated. Though somehow I doubt it.

gryphon202 on July 21, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Hel-looo weekend!

annoyinglittletwerp on July 21, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Bye bye weekend…

:)

Electrongod on July 21, 2013 at 8:38 PM

I can tell you Marco Rubio is an articulate spokesperson for what conservatives believe in, in principle.

What the hell do you know about what conservatives believe in, McCain?

predator on July 21, 2013 at 8:39 PM

I can tell you Marco Rubio is an articulate spokesperson for what conservatives believe in, in principle.

What the hell do you know about what conservatives believe in, McCain?

predator on July 21, 2013 at 8:39 PM

I’d actually give McCain the benefit of the doubt here. I think what he’s saying in his own politician’s idiom is that Marco Rubio is a good liar.

gryphon202 on July 21, 2013 at 8:40 PM

BS, big fella. You own this turd. Paired up with Schumer, Menendez, McCain and Graham the Chuckhead fukhead quartet. What, you no feel the love from us?

arnold ziffel on July 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM

BOOM.

RushBaby on July 21, 2013 at 8:42 PM

If Marco wasn’t smart enough to know that working with Chuck U Schumer on anything would be a career-ending move, then he’s getting what he deserves. Glad we found out now.

phreshone on July 21, 2013 at 8:44 PM

You…

110 degrees here in Southern Idaho…
Well…it was…

Electrongod on July 21, 2013 at 8:32 PM

We weren’t near that temp!

CoffeeLover on July 21, 2013 at 8:46 PM

You can’t treat your own voters as interchangeable…

The Republican Party is on decline because they thought democracy is like capitalism… a nation and a political party is not a business.

ninjapirate on July 21, 2013 at 8:46 PM

gryphon202 on July 21, 2013 at 8:38 PM

My ex-husband agrees with you.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 21, 2013 at 8:46 PM

I went on vacation for a week. I came home and got super sick and ended up in the hospital for another week. I come home and HotAir is still talking about this has-been. Or better yet, never-was.

Rubio is the worst of the worst. He should be shunned from public office. He should be treated like Ben Nelson on a pizza run. Yet, he won’t. He has the right skin color and he can give a speech. He will run for president in 2016 and he will win the nomination. He will be our Obama with predictable results.

What’s the point anymore? Sometimes I just want to give up and let it all burn around me.

joekenha on July 21, 2013 at 8:47 PM

So, your idea of reforming the party is to add 10 million Dem voters?

I guess you’re right, that would ‘reform’ the party.

faraway on July 21, 2013 at 8:36 PM

You must have me confused with someone else. I am most emphatically ANTI-amnesty. I think Marco Rubio is a skeeze. But he’s a symptom of a larger problem within the Republican Party writ-large. Those of us who want immigration law enforced to the letter of the law as-written have very few friends in congress, and not enough to actually make anything happen over the objections of a scofflaw executive branch.

My ire is directed towards the “Could you imagine if the Republican party got behind [Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, or whoever the flavor du jour is]?” crowd. Not only will it never happen, but America’s blindness to the cancer in the Republican party just enables scum like Rubio and McCain to continue to pull the wool over enough voters’ eyes to ensure that they’ll get re-elected no matter how many voters in flyover country get pissed off at them.

gryphon202 on July 21, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Electrongod on July 21, 2013 at 8:38 PM

I get to go have a chat w/ a federal agency tomorrow. Yea. ///

annoyinglittletwerp on July 21, 2013 at 8:47 PM

The problem with all these analyses is that they treat Rubio’s behavior as political miscalculation rather than character deficit. Miscalculation can be forgiven and forgotten pretty easily. Blatantly breaking explicit foundational campaign promises with a vengeance is harder to excuse. I believe it’s going to be a long time before many conservatives come to trust Rubio again.

I’ve said it before: after eight years of obama, the nation will be on critical life support. This is not a time where politics as usual – like nominating a Dole or a McCain because they were the next in line according to centrist party money moguls – will work. A very sizable number of conservatives will either stay home or leave the party if the Pubs don’t put up a principled and competent conservative champion.

paul1149 on July 21, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Rubio is dead to me now. Am flabergasted that he saw any upside to backing this. Did he not watch this in 2007? Simple formula- CLOSE BORDER- then Discuss current crop of illegals. First Republican candidate that adopts this wins primary. NO MORE SQUISHES.

Kerbouchard on July 21, 2013 at 8:48 PM

A whole day with no posts about Z******** or T****** M*****! Hallelujah!!

Senator Marco Rubio says he supports Florida’s “stand your ground” law. The Florida Republican talked with reporters Friday about the law that’s been in the national spotlight during the George Zimmerman case.

Aww, crud.

KS Rex on July 21, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Electrongod on July 21, 2013 at 8:38 PM

I get to go have a chat w/ a federal agency tomorrow. Yea. ///

annoyinglittletwerp on July 21, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Sounds like a great weekend..
:(

Electrongod on July 21, 2013 at 8:49 PM

What base? Republican base? Do they exist? The few that post here? Is that the base? Get out sometime..talk to people, there is NO right wing BASE!

Look around you…there are none…

Redford on July 21, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Recall Rubio

Anti-Control on July 21, 2013 at 8:52 PM

What base? Republican base? Do they exist? The few that post here? Is that the base? Get out sometime..talk to people, there is NO right wing BASE!

Look around you…there are none…

Redford on July 21, 2013 at 8:50 PM

I went to Man in the Moon earlier this month. At least 20,000 total. Moderates don’t win because they moderate, they lose because they fail to come off as genuine.

nobar on July 21, 2013 at 8:52 PM

What base? Republican base? Do they exist? The few that post here? Is that the base? Get out sometime..talk to people, there is NO right wing BASE!

Look around you…there are none…

Redford on July 21, 2013 at 8:50 PM

I’m begging to think you’re right.

Where is the conservative movement? Who is the leader of the conservative movement? Romney? What happened to that guy?

faraway on July 21, 2013 at 8:54 PM

McCain is now openly helping Obama take away our guns. How long before he declares his real soul-pure as pro-socialist? Convince me it’s just a wayward ego…please!

Don L on July 21, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Perhaps the best thing John McCain could do for the GOP and the country is go out on a date with Helen Thomas.

bw222 on July 21, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Electrongod on July 21, 2013 at 8:38 PM

I get to go have a chat w/ a federal agency tomorrow. Yea. ///

annoyinglittletwerp on July 21, 2013 at 8:47 PM

annoyinglittletwerp:I already have,NSA Boinked up my OUTLOOK’s
E-mail log-in code a few weeks ago:)

canopfor on July 21, 2013 at 8:55 PM

McCain is now openly helping Obama take away our guns. How long before he declares his real soul-pure as pro-socialist? Convince me it’s just a wayward ego…please!

Don L on July 21, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Don L:Yup,….kinda:)
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The Hill ‏@thehill 2h

McCain: ‘Stand your ground’ laws need review http://j.mp/1bCPrdI
View summary
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https://twitter.com/thehill

canopfor on July 21, 2013 at 8:57 PM

annoyinglittletwerp:I already have,NSA Boinked up my OUTLOOK’s
E-mail log-in code a few weeks ago:)

canopfor on July 21, 2013 at 8:55 PM

I’m afraid to ask how you figured that out!

CoffeeLover on July 21, 2013 at 8:57 PM

What base? Republican base? Do they exist? The few that post here? Is that the base? Get out sometime..talk to people, there is NO right wing BASE!

For thirty years, since Reagan provided vision and leadership, Christian conservatives have flocked to the Republican Party as their vehicle to try to save this nation from itself. Everything changed, however, on Nov 6, 2012, when America ratified its own destroyer. You can’t fix stupid, you have to let it reap consequences so it will be open to change. There is a conservative base out there, but its ties to the Republican Party are very tenuous at this point.

paul1149 on July 21, 2013 at 8:59 PM

annoyinglittletwerp:I already have,NSA Boinked up my OUTLOOK’s
E-mail log-in code a few weeks ago:)

canopfor on July 21, 2013 at 8:55 PM

I’m afraid to ask how you figured that out!

CoffeeLover on July 21, 2013 at 8:57 PM
One of the letters in that is right…

annoyinglittletwerp on July 21, 2013 at 8:59 PM

For thirty years, since Reagan provided vision and leadership, Christian conservatives have flocked to the Republican Party as their vehicle to try to save this nation from itself. Everything changed, however, on Nov 6, 2012, when America ratified its own destroyer. You can’t fix stupid, you have to let it reap consequences so it will be open to change. There is a conservative base out there, but its ties to the Republican Party are very tenuous at this point.

paul1149 on July 21, 2013 at 8:59 PM

I was bled dry of sympathy for victims of Republican backstabbing many years ago. I have none left to offer.

gryphon202 on July 21, 2013 at 9:00 PM

paul1149 on July 21, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Well said.

Barred on July 21, 2013 at 9:02 PM

In the process, the self-confident presidential hopeful suddenly looks wobbly, even a little weak, as he searches for what’s next.

Hey, I saw Dade county has an opening for dog catcher…

katy on July 21, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Screw the Hispanic vote. Go after the Asian vote.

Asians are coming to this country to work hard, raise their kids right, and get a piece of whatever is still left of the American dream. Yes, they are politically misguided, but that can be corrected.

A lot of them voted for Obama because they identify with him as a minority, and they didn’t want to see the 1st minority POTUS be judged as a failure by being a one termer.

Bobby Jindal would be the perfect guy to set them straight.

ardenenoch on July 21, 2013 at 9:10 PM

gryphon202 on July 21, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Politics won’t save this nation. I recognized that early in my 20′s now in my early 60′s. The system corrupts those who run for office. That said in most cases they are already corrupt and that is why they pick politics for a profession.

chemman on July 21, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Bishop is letting them.

Steve Eggleston on July 21, 2013 at 8:30 PM

He ain’t letting us do it for free…

KCB on July 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

…I don’t know about you… but …I have to limp after every time I do it…it hurts!

KOOLAID2 on July 21, 2013 at 9:13 PM

gryphon202 on July 21, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Politics won’t save this nation. I recognized that early in my 20′s now in my early 60′s. The system corrupts those who run for office. That said in most cases they are already corrupt and that is why they pick politics for a profession.

chemman on July 21, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Ted Cruz is a good guy; it doesn’t matter.

Sarah Palin is a good gal; it doesn’t matter.

We insist on playing chess long after the board’s been tipped over and the immoral scofflaws have ragequit.

gryphon202 on July 21, 2013 at 9:16 PM

…I don’t know about you… but …I have to limp after every time I do it…it hurts!

KOOLAID2 on July 21, 2013 at 9:13 PM

It’s the Holder Treatment….

Put now is not the time to talk about the past..

Justice For Trayvon!!!!

[Whatever that means]

Electrongod on July 21, 2013 at 9:18 PM

canopfor on July 21, 2013 at 8:55 PM

I’m afraid to ask how you figured that out!

CoffeeLover on July 21, 2013 at 8:57 PM

CoffeeLover:

Ahem,I’m assuming.it was hacked.

When I read this,NSA had the whole 9 yards!

[Outlook.com encryption unlocked even before official launch]

How Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted messages

• Secret files show scale of Silicon Valley co-operation on Prism
• Outlook.com encryption unlocked even before official launch
• Skype worked to enable Prism collection of video calls
• Company says it is legally compelled to comply

The Guardian, Friday 12 July 2013
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data

canopfor on July 21, 2013 at 9:18 PM

…I don’t know about you… but …I have to limp after every time I do it…it hurts!

KOOLAID2 on July 21, 2013 at 9:13 PM

KOOLAID2:Limpy,…eh???!:)

canopfor on July 21, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Rubio flew too close to the sun.

22044 on July 21, 2013 at 9:25 PM

This little dedication goes out to the awesome employees of the governmental agency that I’ll be chatting with tomorrow.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 21, 2013 at 9:26 PM

canopfor on July 21, 2013 at 9:18 PM

So it wasn’t a locked out email account? Something sent to you marked open when you didn’t open it? I guess I must confess I don’t understand the encryption part. LOL Maybe a notice pop up….your computer has been hacked by the U.S. govt.? LOL

But thanks for the points. I had read a few of the articles on what the govt. is doing and did.

CoffeeLover on July 21, 2013 at 9:27 PM

Marco Socialism-and-Free-Market-are-both-legitimate-forms-of-government-for-the-United-States-of-America Rubio who?
This is not what will kill his future career. He has been a dead man walking since his first floor speech.

astonerii on July 21, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Sunday, July 21, 2013
Two Marines who made a decision to die!
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VIDEO:

http://politicsandfinance.blogspot.ca/2013/07/two-marines-who-made-decision-to-die.html

canopfor on July 21, 2013 at 9:28 PM

“I’m not endorsing anyone, but I can tell you Marco Rubio is an articulate spokesperson for what conservatives believe in, in principle.

A quasi endorsement from McCain? Good lord, can it get any worse for Rubio?

rrpjr on July 21, 2013 at 9:28 PM

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