Witness: Manning had “no allegiance” to country, flag “meant nothing to him”

posted at 1:01 pm on July 20, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

The main phase of Bradley Manning’s court martial has concluded and the defense has rested its case, but there were some last minute dramatics and notable moments left. First, the judge threw out a request on Thursday which would have dismissed the most serious charge of aiding the enemy. Then, following the defense’s closing, the prosecution’s rebuttal took place on Thursday afternoon and Friday.

Even that led to some fireworks, as one prosecution witness – a former colleague of Manning’s – recounted some unflattering things that the accused traitor said about his country.

The patriotism of Bradley Manning, the Army private on trial for leaking classified documents, came under scrutiny Friday when one of his supervisors testified that Manning told her that he had “no allegiance” to his country and that the American flag “meant nothing to him.”

Retired Spec. Jihrleah Showman, who worked with Manning at Fort Drum, N.Y., and at a forward operating base in Iraq, also testified that she came to think that Manning might be “a spy” after he told her that before joining the military he tried to remove personal information from the Internet in order to secure a top-secret security clearance.

It should be noted that the defense was doing their best to discredit this witness and call the testimony into question. They asked Spec. Showman whether or not she was exhibiting “animus” toward Manning because he’s gay, and she acknowledged making an anti-gay slur in reference to him previously.

Whether or not this will have much impact on the outcome isn’t certain, but since the testimony was allowed – assuming the witness is given credence regarding her report – it at least fits into the prosecution’s larger narrative. Rather than some sort of whistle-blowing, crusader for the rights of the nation, it paints the opposite picture of Manning. That is one of a soldier on the inside of the intelligence circle with direct hostility to the country and a willingness to do something to harm it. And that leads directly to the aiding the enemy charge.

(EDIT: Changed “he” to “she” in second to last paragraph)


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May his years in prison be long and painful.

LincolntheHun on July 20, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Bradley, I’d like to introduce you to your new cellmate for the next 20 years. Meet Bubba. You’ll get along famously.

GarandFan on July 20, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Weasel.

CW on July 20, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Rather than some sort of whistle-blowing, crusader for the rights of the nation, it paints the opposite picture of Manning.

That he was ever seen as a whistle-blower by anyone is laughable.

Bitter Clinger on July 20, 2013 at 1:09 PM

I want that uniform off him. Disgraceful.

Bmore on July 20, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Witness: Manning had “no allegiance” to country, flag “meant nothing to him”

Leftists and little Jakarta street kids love burning the flag. What does that make them? … Yes, that was purely a rhetorical question.

Traitors are traitors.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 20, 2013 at 1:12 PM

I assume he’ll be allowed a computer and internet access in prison. To do otherwise would be cruel and inhumane.

a capella on July 20, 2013 at 1:12 PM

A victim card shield is stronger than a Sci Fi force field. Good luck, prosecution.

Yes, he is guilty of something other than being an Internet sensation. Maybe he’ll get a talk show when this is all done (and failed). No, he should run for the Senate. He could be SecState someday.

tuffy on July 20, 2013 at 1:13 PM

“That he was ever seen as a whistle-blower by anyone is laughable.

Bitter Clinger on July 20, 2013 at 1:09 PM”

Well, he will be one in prison

philw1776 on July 20, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Manning told her that he had “no allegiance” to his country and that the American flag “meant nothing to him.”

There’s a soul sister in the White House.

OldEnglish on July 20, 2013 at 1:16 PM

I wonder how many people he’ll meet in prison that go by the name of “Whistle”?

Flange on July 20, 2013 at 1:17 PM

I want that uniform off him. Disgraceful.

Bmore on July 20, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Yeah…I don’t know how old that picture is but that sorry pri(k doesn’t rate wearing it.

Actually kind of surprising he will wear it.

BigWyo on July 20, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Bradley, I’d like to introduce you to your new cellmate for the next 20 years. Meet Bubba. You’ll get along famously.

GarandFan on July 20, 2013 at 1:09 PM

…err…this is a bad thing for him how??

BigWyo on July 20, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Witness: Manning had “no allegiance” to country, flag “meant nothing to him”

Success for Antonio Gramsci, The Frankfort Group and Saul Alinsky..

Growing up in the 50′s I learned about American history from Walt Disney; Manning learned it from Howard Zinn.

Bruno Strozek on July 20, 2013 at 1:36 PM

He’s a traitor plain and simple.

Punchenko on July 20, 2013 at 1:36 PM

OT: Does HA have any updates on the rape/death count for the ObamaRiots?

faraway on July 20, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Bradley, I’d like to introduce you to your new cellmate for the next 20 years. Meet Bubba. You’ll get along famously.

GarandFan on July 20, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Way things are going, Brad and Bubba may be getting a lot more company in the future.

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 20, 2013 at 1:46 PM

After Bubba, hope he needs Depends

Drill and Fill on July 20, 2013 at 1:46 PM

O/T What is with all this Chinese writing on the Hot Air website lately? What’s the deal, anybody know???

MONACO1121 on July 20, 2013 at 1:49 PM

Breaking: Ding dong.

greggriffith on July 20, 2013 at 1:52 PM

The patriotism of Bradley Manning, the Army private on trial for leaking classified documents, came under scrutiny Friday when one of his supervisors testified that Manning told her that he had “no allegiance” to his country and that the American flag “meant nothing to him.”

So he’s no different than the typical product of today’s government K-12?

slickwillie2001 on July 20, 2013 at 1:55 PM

You know, the Obama admin probably would call you all traitors too. Remember, it is just a word. Nothing more.

antisense on July 20, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Breaking: Ding dong.

greggriffith on July 20, 2013 at 1:52 PM

.
Yes, saw that earlier.

But we’re all ‘classy’ here, at Hotair, so I don’t want to see ANYONE doing an imitation of Chief Inspector Dreyfus eulogizing Clouseau.

That kind of thing is beneath us, here.

listens2glenn on July 20, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Manning had “no allegiance” to country, flag “meant nothing to him”

I think this statement applies to a lot of people born in this country. It’s the way our children are taught. They won’t realize the greatness of this country until their freedoms are gone…and those are being taken away quickly by our elected officials. Young people are going to be in for a shock and that day is not so far away. The ironic thing is the people who complain the most about inequality (think celebrities) would never have achieved their success in the society they say they want. Socialism just doesn’t offer that many opportunities in the area of arts.

Ken James on July 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM

I bet the Manning camp is pissed off at the TradeMarks for stealing all their thunder.

Again, comparing sentences in other cases where a serviceman turned over info to our enemies, I don’t think his sentence will be as high as people here think. Also, the sentences are reviewed and often adjusted downward by a military reviewer who has that power. The military is very sympathetic towards young soldiers who are stationed far from home. Of course, the argument can be made that Manning specifically went into the military to do harm.

Blake on July 20, 2013 at 2:18 PM

7 rifles. Ones’s got a blank. Pretty simple.

wolly4321 on July 20, 2013 at 2:22 PM

That kind of thing is beneath us, here.

listens2glenn on July 20, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Indeed. So is this.

Schadenfreude on July 20, 2013 at 2:25 PM

I hope his sentence involves having to listen to “Mass Text” in perpetuity.

Myron Falwell on July 20, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Of course, by the time Bradley Manning was in grade school, it was no longer fashionable to recite the pledge or sing God Bless America. And of course all learning content was being purged of anything that made America look great or exceptional. Moral relativism had crept in everywhere, and nothing was totally true, right or wrong.

We reap what we sow…

Marcola on July 20, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Neither does Edward Snowden.

MadisonConservative loves both of these anti-American scumbags.

Capitalist Hog on July 20, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Awwww. The poor little gay Democrat.

pat on July 20, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Rather than some sort of whistle-blowing, crusader for the rights of the nation, it paints the opposite picture of Manning. That is one of a soldier on the inside of the intelligence circle with direct hostility to the country and a willingness to do something to harm it. And that leads directly to the aiding the enemy charge.

The patriot whistleblower claim doesn’t stand up to the fact that the little gay traitor stole over 700K classified documents. What was he whistle-blowing, the nation’s entire foreign and national security policy for the last few decades? I particularly liked the defenses claim that it didn’t aid the enemy until those pesky Army people made a big fuss over Manning’s treason. Not that simply taking traitors out and shooting them is something I’d support in principle.

I also want to know why none of Manning’s immediate superiors haven’t been punished for the lax procedures that allowed the lil bastard to steal all those documents.

Happy Nomad on July 20, 2013 at 2:49 PM

BigWyo on July 20, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Yep, I am envisioning a few years down the road when the media regales us with the first gay wedding held at Ft. Leavenworth. Wall to wall and it will be fabulous.

Cindy Munford on July 20, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Better be careful with these headlines, Jazz. Treason is the new patriotism according to a lot of conservatives around here.

Southernblogger on July 20, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Capitalist Hog on July 20, 2013 at 2:43 PM

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Cindy Munford on July 20, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Witness: Manning had “no allegiance” to country, flag “meant nothing to him”

So he is just like the Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers :O

burrata on July 20, 2013 at 2:59 PM

The patriotism of Bradley Manning, the Army private on trial for leaking classified documents, came under scrutiny Friday when one of his supervisors testified that Manning told her that he had “no allegiance” to his country and that the American flag “meant nothing to him.”

Color me shocked.

Cylor on July 20, 2013 at 3:00 PM

O/T What is with all this Chinese writing on the Hot Air website lately? What’s the deal, anybody know???

MONACO1121 on July 20, 2013 at 1:49 PM

What are you talking about?

GWB on July 20, 2013 at 3:04 PM

The patriotism of Bradley Manning, the Army private on trial for leaking classified documents, came under scrutiny Friday when one of his supervisors testified that Manning told her that he had “no allegiance” to his country and that the American flag “meant nothing to him.”

Good for him. No one should have any patriotism/loyalty to the Federal government. It is a government that spies and steals from its citizens and kills people abroad. Bradley Manning saw how the Federal government’s military senselessly killed people in Iraq. The world should be grateful that he exposed the evil doings of the Federal government and its military.

To those of us who love liberty, Bradley Manning is a hero.

antifederalist on July 20, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Capitalist Hog on July 20, 2013 at 2:43 PM

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Cindy Munford on July 20, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Nice.

kim roy on July 20, 2013 at 3:13 PM

Neither does Edward Snowden.

MadisonConservative loves both of these anti-American anti Federal government scumbags.

Capitalist Hog on July 20, 2013 at 2:43 PM

For there to be liberty in America again, we need more Bradley Mannings and Edwards Snowdens who are willing to expose and undermine the Federal government.

antifederalist on July 20, 2013 at 3:13 PM

Of course, by the time Bradley Manning was in grade school, it was no longer fashionable to recite the pledge or sing God Bless America. And of course all learning content was being purged of anything that made America look great or exceptional. Moral relativism had crept in everywhere, and nothing was totally true, right or wrong.

We reap what we sow…

Marcola on July 20, 2013 at 2:38 PM

he Pledge of Allegiance is the brainchild of Socialist Francis Bellamy. Why are children indoctrinated into blindly pledging allegiance and why conservatives support pledging allegiance to the Federal government is beyond me.

antifederalist on July 20, 2013 at 3:18 PM

antifederalist on July 20, 2013 at 3:18 PM

First, I doubt it is done much anymore and second, your not pledging allegiance to the government but the country and her people and the constitution. Unfortunately, “we” are the federal government.

Cindy Munford on July 20, 2013 at 3:22 PM

your + you’re

Cindy Munford on July 20, 2013 at 3:26 PM

To those of us who hate America, Bradley Manning is a hero.

antifederalist on July 20, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Southernblogger on July 20, 2013 at 3:27 PM

And then there’s that other patriotic soldier, Nidal Hassan. Still on trial, how many years after his bloody treason–I mean, workplace violence? Bradelina, on the other hand, wouldn’t be caught dead with a beard.

Morale in the military is terrible outside of a few elite units. But no one dares say it. Or report on it, naturally.

spiritof61 on July 20, 2013 at 3:50 PM

To those of us who love liberty, Bradley Manning is a hero.

antifederalist on July 20, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Yawn.

thebrokenrattle on July 20, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Manning told her that he had “no allegiance” to his country and that the American flag “meant nothing to him.”

Sounds like some of the progressives.

katiejane on July 20, 2013 at 4:02 PM

To those of us who hate America the enemy of liberty, the Federal government, Bradley Manning is a hero.

antifederalist on July 20, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Southernblogger on July 20, 2013 at 3:27 PM

antifederalist on July 20, 2013 at 4:03 PM

First, I doubt it is done much anymore and second, your not pledging allegiance to the government but the country and her people and the constitution. Unfortunately, “we” are the federal government.

Cindy Munford on July 20, 2013 at 3:22 PM

I, sure as hell, am not the Federal government.

If “we” are the Federal government, do “we” have the option to opt out of:

1. Obamacare
2. Social Security
3. Medicare/Medicaid
4. The Federal income tax

antifederalist on July 20, 2013 at 4:05 PM

antifederalist on July 20, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Well, let me put it another way, “we” are suppose to be the federal government. I do agree that things have certainly not been going my way for awhile. Some days I feel like it’s worth the fight to get back, other days I think, let it burn.

Cindy Munford on July 20, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Of course, by the time Bradley Manning was in grade school, it was no longer fashionable to recite the pledge or sing God Bless America. And of course all learning content was being purged of anything that made America look great or exceptional. Moral relativism had crept in everywhere, and nothing was totally true, right or wrong.

We reap what we sow…

Marcola on July 20, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Yep, a Howard Zinn fan as well, no doubt.

slickwillie2001 on July 20, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Manning had “no allegiance” to country, flag “meant nothing to him”

Well, Manning seems a much better fit than Martin for Obama’s son.

VorDaj on July 20, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Cindy Munford on July 20, 2013 at 4:16 PM

There is never going to be a “we” when it comes to the Federal and almost any government. The concept of “we” may be somewhat applicable to a small town (say 1000-2000 people) where everyone knows each other. In a consolidated state that has jurisdiction over 315 million people, as is the case for the US, the size of the country and government prevents it from ever becoming a “we.” There is a limited scale for political order.

antifederalist on July 20, 2013 at 4:44 PM

antifederalist on July 20, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Maybe the country has gotten to big, I know the liberal would agree, but our founding documents relied heavily on “We, the People”.

Cindy Munford on July 20, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Maybe the country has gotten to big, I know the liberal would agree, but our founding documents relied heavily on “We, the People”.

Cindy Munford on July 20, 2013 at 4:51 PM

“We, the People” is an overused phrase. There were about 3-4 million people who inhabited the US at the time and all 3-4 million people had a say in writing and ratifying the Constitution.

Conceptually, when the Constitution was ratified, the Federal government was to be limited in its scope and have enumerated powers. Today, the Federal government has unlimited scope and has innumerable powers. No one will bring the US back to the Constitution (despite what the Republicans will have you to believe). The Constitutional Republic ceased to exist for the last 80 years. There is no “saving the country.” The only way to reclaim our liberties is for the Federal government to go out of business. So I say, let it burn.

antifederalist on July 20, 2013 at 5:07 PM

“We, the People” is an overused phrase. There were about 3-4 million people who inhabited the US at the time and all 3-4 million people had a say in writing and ratifying the Constitution.

antifederalist on July 20, 2013 at 5:07 PM

That’s the legend. Would it surprise you that 99.99% of the folks in the colonies were taken totally by surprise by the Declaration of Independence? None of the people expected it, they expected redress of their “grievances” and continued union with Britain. The Rebel Congress said it was a necessary piece of paper work to facilitate borrowing money from Britains enemies to finance the revolt.

BL@KBIRD on July 20, 2013 at 7:03 PM

Manning told her that he had “no allegiance” to his country and that the American flag “meant nothing to him.”

Sad that we have a president who feels the same way.

Sterling Holobyte on July 20, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Well, Manning seems a much better fit than Martin for Obama’s son.

VorDaj on July 20, 2013 at 4:35 PM

I don’t know if I would go that far.

Martin = Thug.
Obama = Thug in chief.

Sterling Holobyte on July 20, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Lock him away in a room of his own. See that he’s fed, clothed, and receives medical care.
He’s young yet. It will be a slow crawl to the dirt nap that awaits him many, many, many years from now.

tpitman on July 20, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Of course, by the time Bradley Manning was in grade school, it was no longer fashionable to recite the pledge or sing God Bless America. And of course all learning content was being purged of anything that made America look great or exceptional. Moral relativism had crept in everywhere, and nothing was totally true, right or wrong.

We reap what we sow…

Marcola on July 20, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Well put.

Cleombrotus on July 20, 2013 at 8:05 PM

May his years in prison be long and painful.

LincolntheHun on July 20, 2013 at 1:07 PM

I thought shooting him was still a possibility. Did they put that aside?

trigon on July 21, 2013 at 12:52 AM

Hang him and bury him at Gitmo.

profitsbeard on July 21, 2013 at 3:20 AM

He’s so tiny. We can use 22s when he gets the firing squad. It’ll be like shooting a squirrel.

hawkdriver on July 21, 2013 at 5:50 AM

I would like to know why the careless boobs who allowed this wretch access to America’s secrets are not also being court-martialed. This little Manning creep was a Private First Class, and he apparently walked out of a room with huge secrets on a thumb drive. Who allowed this to happen? Apparently Manning was fairly open about the fact that he was not loyal to America, etc. What idiots selected him to handle our secrets? So the private gets court-martialled (which he should) but the rest of the chain of command walks away blameless so that they can screw up the country again. Great.

Rogervzv on July 21, 2013 at 6:46 AM

THIS is a traitor.

Snowden loved his country and wanted to give power back to his countrymen.

MadisonConservative on July 21, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Snowden loved his country and wanted to give power back to his countrymen.

MadisonConservative on July 21, 2013 at 11:17 AM

And ‘revealing’ that we’re being spied on (old news since the Patriot Act if not the Clintoon era), followed by promptly running to Communist dictatorships, sure did a lot to give power back to us.

Oh wait…

MelonCollie on July 21, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Rogervzv on July 21, 2013 at 6:46 AM

Good point. An investigation should be launched to find out why such low-level staff can gain such wide access. It points to pervasive ignorance and incompetence in the militrary intelligence management that such things can happen. They should not be allowed to have technology if they do not know how to secure it.

It’s total stupidity to put defense department web-sites on the internet and there is no national need to do so. Here’s another case where liberals think open access is more important than security. It’s just like their immigration posture.

virgo on July 21, 2013 at 2:00 PM