Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on July 20, 2013 by Allahpundit

“Can you help Detroit?” ABC News’ Ann Compton asked the vice president.

“We had a meeting yesterday just getting a brief on the status. The question is, um, we don’t know at this point,” Biden responded.

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According to the paperwork, the city owes billions of dollars to more than 100,000 creditors, including bond holders and city pension funds. Orr, a state-appointed bankruptcy attorney who is trying to clean up Detroit financial mess, has said the city is insolvent, meaning it can’t pay what it owes with the taxes it collects…

He’ll likely point to the “moratorium” Detroit imposed on some bond payment last month. And he’ll cite unsuccessful efforts in recent weeks to negotiate lower payments with bond holders and union officials representing retirees.

Orr was able to win concessions from some secured creditors to accept 75 cents on the dollar for about $340 million in debt. But his offer to pay about $2 billion to unsecured creditors owed about $11 billion in debt went nowhere.

Now, he hopes to convince the bankruptcy court that the city can only afford to pay bond holders, retirees, city vendors and the rest of the list of creditors just a dime on the dollar.

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“It’s not safe here. It’s a war zone,” Terrence Coleman, a 52-year-old resident, said as embers from a blaze on Detroit’s east side rained down on him. “This whole neighborhood is going to burn down one day, I’m afraid.”…

In Detroit, arsons are so frequent – about 5,000 estimated last year by the Detroit Fire Department – that authorities can only investigate about one of every five suspicious fire cases, Fire Commissioner Don Austin said…

In a city that averages about 14 arsons a day, there are only 11 arson investigators, down from more than 20 in 2009…

With more than 80,000 abandoned buildings spread across 139 square miles, Detroit is fertile ground for arsonists. Homes that could never sell on the market are burned allegedly for insurance money, and people tired of abandoned buildings torch them, according to fire investigators. Thrill-seekers toss Molotov cocktails at vacant structures in drive-by arsons.

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Detroit’s bankruptcy has just teed up one of the most consequential court cases in recent memory. As part of the plan to help the city exit bankruptcy, the government will likely cut pensions promised to city workers, a move allowed under federal law. But there’s a catch: the state constitution of Michigan forbids it

Detroit’s situation seems almost unprecedented, and it’s not clear how the city can best respond to it. The unions’ biggest problem is that Detroit simply cannot pay their pension claims without destroying city services. Detroit doesn’t have the money to provide even minimal services to its current population while paying off the large numbers of retired workers, many of whom hail from times when the city was larger and richer.

Because there is no money, there is no solution that gives the unions the relief they seek. Total obedience to the state constitutional mandate might not be possible, and that’s a problem. The government can pass a law saying that everyone has a constitutional right to a free trip to the moon, but if it doesn’t build the spacecraft that can get you there the right is void.

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[W]hile Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder has capably overseen Detroit’s march to Chapter 9, neither the state nor the federal government has evinced any inclination to provide meaningful financial assistance.

That’s a mistake. No one likes bailouts or the prospect of rewarding Detroit’s historic fiscal mismanagement. But apart from voting in elections, the 700,000 remaining residents of the Motor City are no more responsible for Detroit’s problems than were the victims of Hurricane Sandy for theirs, and eventually Congress decided to help them.

America is just as much about aiding those less fortunate as it is about personal responsibility. Government does this in so many ways; why shouldn’t it help Detroit rebuild itself?…

When President Obama rescued the auto companies, his decision was politically unpopular. By the time of last fall’s presidential election, a majority of Americans had swung in favor of the move. History could repeat itself.

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The case will also set a legal precedent that will be watched closely by other major cities across the country struggling under the weight of years of accumulated debt and underfunded pensions covering millions of public sector retirees.

“Everyone will say, ‘Oh well, it’s Detroit. I thought it was already in bankruptcy,’ ” said Michigan State University economist Eric Scorsone.

“But Detroit is not unique. It’s the same in Chicago and New York and San Diego and San Jose. It’s a lot of major cities in this country. They may not be as extreme as Detroit, but a lot of them face the same problems.”…

“There’s no way Detroit can afford to service 140 square miles anymore,” said Scorsone. “So for parts of the city, if your streetlight’s out, they’re not going to fix it. If your road has massive potholes, it’s going to turn it to gravel. It’s that stark.”

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Yes, Detroit has been atrociously managed, as Edward Glaeser documents in Triumph of the City. Faced with the decline of US auto industry, Mayor Coleman Young, who led the city from 1974 through 1993, decided the city’s salvation was to be found in building things rather than “trying to attract smart, wealthy, entrepreneurial people.” In the 1970s, for instance, Detroit built an expensive new hockey arena for the Detroit Red Wings and then rented it to the team at bargain rates. In the 1980s, it built the People Mover monorail, what Glaeser calls the “single most absurd public transit project in the country.” The $350 million Renaissance Center created millions of square feet of new office space, a complex eventually sold to GM for $100 million.

But fundamentally, Detroit’s demise as an industrial city stems from a failure to adapt — as seen in its preference to invest in things rather than people — as automation allowed automakers to make more cars with fewer workers and globalization brought cutthroat international competition. The story of Detroit is the story of the transformation of global manufacturing, including the auto industry, in a gale of creative destruction…

Instead of a top-down effort, better to create the organic conditions that will draw those smart, wealthy, entrepreneurial folks Glaeser writes about — especially immigrants — to Detroit. Maybe turning Detroit into a sort of Hong Kongesque tax haven — one with decent schools and safe streets — to encourage startups and a more diverse economic base than relying on one manufacturing sector. At best it will be a long slog with no guarantee of success, but the odds will be a lot better with policies that invest in people rather than things.

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With bankruptcy temporarily struck down, we’re told that “innovation hubs” and “enterprise zones” are the answer. Seriously? In my book After America, I observe that the physical decay of Detroit — the vacant and derelict lots for block after block after block — is as nothing compared to the decay of the city’s human capital. Forty-seven percent of adults are functionally illiterate, which is about the same rate as the Central African Republic, which at least has the excuse that it was ruled throughout the Seventies by a cannibal emperor. Why would any genuine innovator open a business in a Detroit “innovation hub”? Whom would you employ? The illiterates include a recent president of the school board, Otis Mathis, which doesn’t bode well for the potential work force a decade hence.

Given their respective starting points, one has to conclude that Detroit’s Democratic party makes a far more comprehensive wrecking crew than Emperor Bokassa ever did. No bombs, no invasions, no civil war, just “liberal” “progressive” politics day in, day out. Americans sigh and say, “Oh, well, Detroit’s an ‘outlier.’” It’s an outlier only in the sense that it happened here first. The same malign alliance between a corrupt political class, rapacious public-sector unions, and an ever more swollen army of welfare dependents has been adopted in the formally Golden State of California, and in large part by the Obama administration, whose priorities — “health” “care” “reform,” “immigration” “reform” — are determined by the same elite/union/dependency axis. As one droll tweeter put it, “If Obama had a city, it would look like Detroit.”…

Like Detroit, America has unfunded liabilities, to the tune of $220 trillion, according to the economist Laurence Kotlikoff. Like Detroit, it’s cosseting the government class and expanding the dependency class, to the point where its bipartisan “immigration reform” actively recruits 50–60 million low-skilled chain migrants. Like Detroit, America’s governing institutions are increasingly the corrupt enforcers of a one-party state — the IRS and Eric Holder’s amusingly misnamed Department of Justice being only the most obvious examples. Like Detroit, America is bifurcating into the class of “community organizers” and the unfortunate denizens of the communities so organized.

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This is where blue governance has brought Detroit in the end: not even a liberal Democratic administration will step in to save the pensions of thousands of public workers and African Americans, condemning countless innocents to having their pensions and health benefits gutted in bankruptcy court…

Progressive politicians, wonks, and activists can only blame big corporations and other liberal bogeymen for so long. The truth is that corrupt machine politics in a one-party system devoted to the blue social model wrecked an entire city and thousands of lives beyond repair. The sooner blues come to terms with this reality, the greater chance other cities will have of avoiding Detroit’s fate.

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Am I Blue – Annette Hanshaw

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2013 at 1:03 AM

Ill Wind

Schadenfreude on July 21, 2013 at 12:54 AM

Two from Mott for you and Scrumdillyishus:

“(There’s An) Ill Wind Blowing”

“The Golden Age of Rock ‘N’ Roll”

Anti-Control on July 21, 2013 at 1:03 AM

ou went there?

Your words make sense then :)

Scrumpy on July 21, 2013 at 1:02 AM

Oooooh, yeah! ….and you DON’T “stop to ask directions” there…..

williamg on July 21, 2013 at 1:06 AM

williamg on July 21, 2013 at 1:06 AM

Just HOW bad is it? Whats happening?

Scrumpy on July 21, 2013 at 1:08 AM

Moanin’ Low – Libby Holman

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2013 at 1:08 AM

Thank you, A-C

Schadenfreude on July 21, 2013 at 1:08 AM

But apart from voting in elections, the 700,000 remaining residents of the Motor City are no more responsible for Detroit’s problems than were the victims of Hurricane Sandy for theirs, and eventually Congress decided to help them.

At least half of them are. They voted in one Progressive government after another for going on 60 years. While you can’t control the confluence of a extra tropical storm and a Nor’eastern you do have control over who you vote

chemman on July 21, 2013 at 1:09 AM

Jackie: You have spun some wonderful tunes tonight!! Thank you :)

Scrumpy on July 21, 2013 at 1:09 AM

I am in a ’70′s mood :(

Or I could throw this at ya!

Scrumpy on July 21, 2013 at 1:00 AM

Me too – don’t frown! (WWMBD? :))

From Luther Grosvenor, the guitarist who replaced Mick Ralphs in Mott:

“Here Comes the [Dairy] Queen”, Scrumpdillyishus

Anti-Control on July 21, 2013 at 1:10 AM

chemman on July 21, 2013 at 1:09 AM

That is so true, and the now broke ruinous Detroit stands testimony to that fact!

It cannot be ignored…

Scrumpy on July 21, 2013 at 1:13 AM

Elmer’s glue ‘ll fix that house right up.

Sherman1864 on July 21, 2013 at 1:13 AM

Scrumpy on July 21, 2013 at 1:09 AM

lol! You’re very gracious, Scrumpy. :)

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2013 at 1:14 AM

Elmer’s glue ‘ll fix that house right up.

Sherman1864 on July 21, 2013 at 1:13 AM

And miles and miles of Duct (Duck) Tape!! Lol

Scrumpy on July 21, 2013 at 1:14 AM

Jackie: You have spun some wonderful tunes tonight!! Thank you :)

Scrumpy on July 21, 2013 at 1:09 AM

Every night.

Schadenfreude on July 21, 2013 at 1:15 AM

I Only Have Eyes For You – The Flamingos

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2013 at 1:15 AM

Schadenfreude on July 21, 2013 at 1:15 AM

You’re too kind. :) Thank you, but you guys have, too. I really enjoy it. :)

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2013 at 1:17 AM

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2013 at 1:14 AM

When you and Schad spin tunes, I am loving it!!

Such a fab mix of old classic stuff, film clips etc.

Reminds me what a wonderful world this can be!

I know you played this the other night Jackie, but it is worthy of another spin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IzQWXPI8mA

Scrumpy on July 21, 2013 at 1:18 AM

Only You

Schadenfreude on July 21, 2013 at 1:19 AM

Obscure (and good) one by them – Ian showing his Dylan fixation!

Mott The Hoople – “Road To Birmingham”

Anti-Control on July 21, 2013 at 1:19 AM

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2013 at 1:15 A

Hi bombshell. Buxom bombshell with dancers legs.

SparkPlug on July 21, 2013 at 1:19 AM

Scrumpy on July 21, 2013 at 1:18 AM

Thank you, Scrumpy.You’re very sweet:)

That tune is wonderful, but it was Schadenfreude who cued it up for us the other evening. :)

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2013 at 1:19 AM

Listening to tunes :)

Scrumpy on July 21, 2013 at 1:20 AM

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2013 at 1:19 AM

Ahhh!! Thanks Schadenfreude!! :)

It is worthy of a spin every night…

Scrumpy on July 21, 2013 at 1:21 AM

SparkPlug on July 21, 2013 at 1:19 AM

Hello, my witty friend.:)

Yes… I do have dancer’s legs…and I’m not giving them back, either. lol!

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2013 at 1:21 AM

Listening to tunes :)

Scrumpy on July 21, 2013 at 1:20 AM

Got Moth Diaries on TV.

I love the movie for the vampire chick (played by Lily Cole).

With beautiful women running around on Earth, I can’t for the life of me figure out how any guy can lust after other guys.

Liam on July 21, 2013 at 1:23 AM

The best backup is to clone the whole drive to another drive.

http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.aspx

SparkPlug on July 21, 2013 at 1:24 AM

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2013 at 1:08 AM

Nice. I recognized the song, but not the singer. The I realized it’s the song sung by Claire Trevor as Gaye Dawn in Key Largo. Interesting trivia, John Huston told Trevor he would arrange some voice lessons for her, because she was not a singer. But Huston had no intention of letting her even rehearse the song, and without any warning at all told her they were shooting the scene and made her sing it with no preparation. That scene may have won her the Oscar.

I found this one: The House Of The Rising Sun

novaculus on July 21, 2013 at 1:24 AM

It is worthy of a spin every night…

Scrumpy on July 21, 2013 at 1:21 AM

As the world used to be…will be played over my ashes, if anyone cares by then.

Good Night Dear Friends

Schadenfreude on July 21, 2013 at 1:24 AM

Thank you, A-C

Schadenfreude on July 21, 2013 at 1:08 AM

Y/w.

This is good & funny (it’s a “Sparkartoon” so SparkPlug should approve, too!)

Sparks – “This Town Ain’t Big Enough For Both Of Us” (official silent film version)

Anti-Control on July 21, 2013 at 1:24 AM

Schadenfreude on July 21, 2013 at 1:19 AM

I love The Platters. :) Here’s one more My Prayer

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2013 at 1:25 AM

Schadenfreude on July 21, 2013 at 1:24 AM

Good night, Paladin. Sleep well. :)

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2013 at 1:26 AM

I love The Platters. :) Here’s one more My Prayer

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2013 at 1:25 AM

I do too :)

Schadenfreude on July 21, 2013 at 1:27 AM

Schadenfreude on July 21, 2013 at 1:24 AM

Those of us who are wise, will care Schad…

Good night and God Bless!

Scrumpy on July 21, 2013 at 1:28 AM

we’ve seen some of these photos before, but this a collection from 2 French photogs…they are good at their craft

the scroll arrows are on the left side of the webpage. Started in 2005.

http://www.marchandmeffre.com/detroit/index.html

and wrt to their oeuvre

Ruins are the visible symbols and landmarks of our societies
and their changes, small pieces of history in suspension.

The state of ruin is essentially a temporary situation that happens at
some point, the volatile result of change of era and the fall of empires.

This fragility, the time elapsed but even so running fast, lead us to watch them one very last time :

being dismayed, or admire, making us wondering about the permanence of things.

Photography appeared to us as a modest way
to keep a little bit of this ephemeral state.

check out their other collections. Very haunting about the decline o a culture and industry or city or whatever. One has this maybe naive view that ‘something’ should replace these ruins…Phoenix and all that.

and sure, sometime..yeah…just not anytime soon

r keller on July 21, 2013 at 1:29 AM

Liam on July 21, 2013 at 1:23 AM

You get the Chiller channel don’t you?

Scrumpy on July 21, 2013 at 1:29 AM

The best backup is to clone the whole drive to another drive.

http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.aspx

SparkPlug on July 21, 2013 at 1:24 AM

That is good, but I haven’t used it in a long time – I use this for simple cloning:

DriveImage XML

Anti-Control on July 21, 2013 at 1:30 AM

novaculus on July 21, 2013 at 1:24 AM

Libby Holman was an actress and a torch singer. She had a reputation for her lifestyle as much as anything else.

She was born to a wealthy family, they went broke, she was in and out of affairs with both sexes, it is said, she eventually married the Reynolds tobacco heir and when he was found dying of a gunshot wound to the head after she’d told him she as pregnant and they had a fierce argument, she and another man were charged with murder. Later, she was acquitted as was the other man, but people thought it might be to avoid further scandal, related, again, to her lifestyle, to the Reynolds family.

In any case, she was a pretty good singer. :)

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2013 at 1:31 AM

Schadenfreude on July 21, 2013 at 1:24 AM

Great song, great movie too :)

I watch a lot of the oldies…

Scrumpy on July 21, 2013 at 1:32 AM

Liam on July 21, 2013 at 1:23 AM

You get the Chiller channel don’t you?

Scrumpy on July 21, 2013 at 1:29 AM

Yes. That’s where the movie is playing.

Liam on July 21, 2013 at 1:32 AM

Scrumpy on July 21, 2013 at 1:29 AM

Chiller is an offshoot of SyFy, with more commercials.

Liam on July 21, 2013 at 1:33 AM

Twilight Time – The Platters

I bid you all a fond goodnight. It’s been a pleasure, as always.

Live in the moment.

“Keep yourselves where the light is.”

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2013 at 1:35 AM

Detroit:

Slayer – “Hell Awaits”

\m/

Anti-Control on July 21, 2013 at 1:36 AM

Thak you all for the wonderful songs and memories :)

Time for me to fly!!

God Bless and Good Night all!! :)

* swoosh *

Scrumpy on July 21, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Scrumpy on July 21, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Pretty dreams!

Liam on July 21, 2013 at 1:38 AM

In any case, she was a pretty good singer. :)

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2013 at 1:31 AM

Since you’re spinning Libby Holman….this goes right along with it…. not to mention right along with this evening’s themes……

williamg on July 21, 2013 at 1:40 AM

Poor Peter King. He’s become such a doofus. I’m guessing there is a Lady Macbeth behind all of this.

John the Libertarian on July 21, 2013 at 1:47 AM

And now for something completely different. Dedicated to the NSA (due to the title only.)

Eye In The Sky

novaculus on July 21, 2013 at 1:49 AM

Dedicated to the NSA (due to the title only.)

novaculus on July 21, 2013 at 1:49 AM

Every Breath You Take.

John the Libertarian on July 21, 2013 at 1:56 AM

Every Breath You Take.

John the Libertarian on July 21, 2013 at 1:56 AM

….I’ll be waaaa-tching you!!

williamg on July 21, 2013 at 2:41 AM

Trayvon Protestors hitting a mother and preventing her from getting her child to the hospital:

http://barracudabrigade.blogspot.com/2013/07/trayvon-protesters-smack-houston.html?utm_content=bufferb643b&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer

williamg on July 21, 2013 at 2:43 AM

Let’s print a new currency with Obama’s face on it and call them O-dollars.

Print as many billions as Detroit needs and let them pay off their creditos with them.

Redeemable in the year 2020 when the socialist Utopian finally dawns.

And a bag of Unicorn excreted Skittles for everyone, too.

profitsbeard on July 21, 2013 at 3:37 AM

Trust me on this, MI’s guv and the state Legislators know there is ZERO appetite for any Detroit bailout from the state coffers. ZERO. In fact, if not for those voters, we would not have 2 idiotic Dem Senators in Congress for as long as we have. Nor would we have had to endure that incompetent Granholm as guv for 8 years.

I read a headliner that the suburbs are thinking about erecting a 12 foot fence around Detroit. It might be smarter to divert the Detroit river and re-route is around the city, and maybe Canada can be tricked into thinking Detroit is now part of Windsor!!!!

karenhasfreedom on July 21, 2013 at 4:53 AM

The regime knows if it bails out detroit that Chicago is next and then la and it will never end. It will be one rat bankrupted/managed city after city. It’s not that the commies are against buying votes its just that they have already bought these votes and hate to have to buy them over and over and over. But that’s what you get when you stand for nothing but tearing down capitalism and when it works you get detroit.

rodguy911 on July 21, 2013 at 6:57 AM

Morning. Happy Friday…for me anyway.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 21, 2013 at 7:15 AM

When President Obama rescued the auto companies, his decision was politically unpopular. By the time of last fall’s presidential election, a majority of Americans had swung in favor of the move. History could repeat itself.

I don’t know about that.

What’s the difference between the Detroit Auto Makers and the City of Detroit?

The Auto Makers actually produced a product.

BigAlSouth on July 21, 2013 at 7:23 AM

Morning. Happy Friday…for me anyway.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 21, 2013 at 7:15 AM

Stuck working on a Sunday?

Liam on July 21, 2013 at 7:26 AM

But apart from voting in elections, the 700,000 remaining residents of the Motor City are no more responsible

Libtards owning their namesake–might as well said “Other than eating 1 gal of ice cream a day, Oprah is no more responsible for her physique than a 1 yr old”….

hillsoftx on July 21, 2013 at 8:24 AM

You get the Chiller channel don’t you?

Scrumpy on July 21, 2013 at 1:29 AM

High quality entertainment.

CW on July 21, 2013 at 9:01 AM

But apart from voting in elections, the 700,000 remaining residents of the Motor City are no more responsible for Detroit’s problems than were the victims of Hurricane Sandy for theirs, and eventually Congress decided to help them.

This statement shows that the author does not understand that the voters did this to themselves. The real solution for the conglomeration of SE Michigan “cities” near Detroit is to recognize that a) in the long run, this should be some of the most valuable real estate on the planet (transportation, water, international trade, etc); and b) there needs to be power sharing and cooperation across many existing jurisdictions. The current residents of Detroit have to get over their obsession over having “power” in a totally dysfunctional city. By their own actions, they have now abdicated any control, so they truly have become “kings of nothing”. The economically viable ‘burbs around Detroit will never become involved in the solution unless they have some control over the situation. Now that “home rule” has collapsed, maybe that’s possible. It should also teach Detroiters that one party rule is never healthy. Some liberals point to the relative viability of cities like Austin and Madison as poster children for D’s being able to run cities. However, these examples are government and university towns, so government can directly support them (at the expense of the rest of the state). Detroit depended on the private economy, but Detroiters acted as if they were a government town.

MichiCanuck on July 21, 2013 at 9:09 AM

Good Morning, Americans! “The Glorification of Evil: Oiling Up Society’s Slippery Slope” My take.

kingsjester on July 21, 2013 at 9:19 AM

Can somebody do the math and tell me at the current rate of depopulation, when will Detroit return to a wilderness area?

Decoski on July 21, 2013 at 9:22 AM

Decoski on July 21, 2013 at 9:22 AM

Demographically, it already is a wilderness…

Anyway, with all the houses and buildings, factories and such having burned down, or allowed to decay beyond reoair, there is a move to create wilderness in Detroit.

They call them green zones…and they are growing all over Detroit. A lot of it is privately financed…land is getting cheaper in the Motor City…buy an entire city block…level all the homes, rip out all the underground utilities…set up a fixed single utility entry point.

Check out GoogleEarth…lots of open space.

Will it become wilderness?

Already species of animals not seen in Detroit in decades are commonplace…deer downtown, all sorts of smaller animals abound. Heard bears have been sighted in the city limits, too.

All sorts of vegetation long thought gone is springing up all over the city…

One of the best things that could happen with this bankruptcy is to sell off and divide up the hundred or so square miles of Detroit, and turn them into individual communities..privately owned, gated…inexpensive…and wait for the return.

They are not making land anymore…except in Detroit…one city block at a time…clear land…cheap land.

coldwarrior on July 21, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Good Morning, Americans! “The Glorification of Evil: Oiling Up Society’s Slippery Slope” My take.

kingsjester on July 21, 2013 at 9:19 AM

…I left the same comment on the blog…why am I pissed after reading that!…I usually don’t get pissed off after reading My take !

KOOLAID2 on July 21, 2013 at 11:47 AM

I hope everyone here is dutifully ignoring the racial aspect of this whole travesty, correct?

http://www.vdare.com/articles/learn-whitey-learn-paul-kersey-s-escape-from-detroit

ex_machina on July 21, 2013 at 6:19 PM

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