Audio: Hannity endorses Liz Cheney in Wyoming

posted at 6:31 pm on July 19, 2013 by Allahpundit

I wasn’t sure whether big-name conservatives would sit back and wait to see how things shake out in Wyoming before taking a side or whether the Enzi/Cheney contest would quickly turn into an arms race for endorsements. Maybe this is an early clue. Talk radio will, I assume, be solidly behind her. Enzi will get a bunch of endorsements from his Senate colleagues, which isn’t entirely bad for Cheney since it feeds into her “me against the establishment” message. What she needs to counter Rand Paul is a major tea-party pol. Ted Cruz would be a big get, but who knows if he wants to risk his political capital on this. If he goes in there, issues the big endorsement, and she ends up flattened anyway by Enzi’s popularity, it’s a stumble. He’ll be a late endorser, I take it, assuming he gets in at all.

The Guardian’s Harry Enten is bearish on Cheney’s chances, especially after today’s poll:

The problem for Cheney is there really doesn’t seem to be any area to exploit. As I noted on Wednesday, Enzi simply isn’t vulnerable on his right flank like other Republicans to go down in a primary over the past few years. Senators like Bob Bennett and Dick Lugar were among the top ten most liberal Republicans in the Senate. Enzi was the 11th most conservative member of the Senate last Congress. Wyoming’s other Senator John Barrasso was right next to Enzi at 12th most.

Indeed, there are very little policy differences between Enzi and her. She can try to play up her opposition to the internet sales tax, though that’s an issue that split Republicans down the middle. Moreover, how many people actually will vote on that issue? Most would agree that those voters would be few and far between.

Cheney, meanwhile, is likely vulnerable on her favoring of gay marriage. The Republican controlled state legislature not only didn’t get marriage passed this past year, but it couldn’t even get through a watered down domestic partnership law. A poll taken in next door more liberal Montana showed that 84% of Republicans were against gay marriage (pdf).

Yeah, her position on gay marriage is a fascinating dark-horse issue here. If she closes the gap and Enzi gets nervous, this may become one of the last major elections in America in which SSM plays a major role in deciding the outcome. I agree with her on that one but most conservatives don’t. If the race is close near the end and Enzi hammers her as being too liberal on a key social issue, will the righties who want “a fighter” in the Senate instead of him cast the gay marriage issue aside as (mostly) irrelevant? That would be quite a win for SSM, whatever you think of Cheney or Enzi.

This race is fascinating for lots of reasons, in fact, which is why I keep writing about it. A candidate named “Cheney” is somehow the grassroots upstart and a guy who’s been in the Senate for nearly 20 years is being championed by Rand Paul. Enzi’s basically an unknown quantity to Republicans nationally but he’s fantastically popular in his home state; Cheney’s a fairly well known figure nationally thanks to her media presence but she’s accused of being a carpetbagger in Wyoming. More than any of that, this race is, I think, the first attempt to primary a Republican since the tea party got rolling that has almost nothing to do with policy. No one’s seriously accusing Enzi of being a centrist squish like Bob Bennett or Mike Castle. Even Hannity notes here that Enzi ended up voting against ObamaCare after initially working with Democrats on it. The objection to him appears to be almost entirely stylistic: Cheney will stand in the well and attack Obama for betraying American values, then end up casting a vote for gay marriage later. Enzi will say nothing, then cast a vote against it. There probably is a meaningful difference between Cheney and Enzi on foreign policy, the former being very hawkish and the latter pretty hawkish, but I don’t know how much we’ll see of that in the primary or how much most conservatives even want to see of it given the party’s ambivalence about interventionism right now. Hannity accuses Enzi of being an 80/20 guy, but Orrin Hatch has always been an 80/20 guy too (at best, as the boss emeritus will tell you) and he earned Hannity’s endorsement in 2012 thanks to his help in getting conservative justices confirmed. (The latest entry on the “20″ side of the ledger for Hatch is voting for the egregious Schumer/Rubio amnesty bill. I haven’t heard Cheney speak at length on immigration yet.) Point being, the proposed upgrade here appears to be mainly rhetorical, in Cheney’s greater willingness to engage the left. The question is whether she’s an 80/20 person on policy too, and what her 20 percent consists of. No way to know yet, but finding out is another one of those things that make this fascinating.


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Now I see, this is a proxy war.

Should be fun.

faraway on July 19, 2013 at 6:34 PM

Didn’t Hannity come out for amnesty not too long ago… like, right after the election?

Punchenko on July 19, 2013 at 6:36 PM

puke.

IR-MN on July 19, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Hannity? Can’t stand him. Does his endorsement mean anything to anyone here on HA?

Charlemagne on July 19, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Hannity? Can’t stand him. Does his endorsement mean anything to anyone here on HA?

Charlemagne on July 19, 2013 at 6:37 PM

I don’t care for him that much. He repeats the same things every single day. It also doesn’t surprise me that he would endorse Cheney considering that he is pretty much a spokesperson for the Republican Party and follows their line.

JR on July 19, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Levin endorsed her the day she announced.

Hat Trick on July 19, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Four words: Hannity still loves Rubio.

VorDaj on July 19, 2013 at 6:40 PM

Levin endorsed her the day she announced.

Hat Trick on July 19, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Four words: Levin still likes Rubio.

VorDaj on July 19, 2013 at 6:41 PM

Enzi leads 55 to 21 in polling? Unless Mike Enzi starts favoring amnesty or turns out to secretly run an abortion clinic, I really don’t see a rationale for Cheney’s candidacy.

Stoic Patriot on July 19, 2013 at 6:41 PM

I really don’t see a rationale for Cheney’s candidacy.

Stoic Patriot on July 19, 2013 at 6:41 PM

Wasamatter? Don’t you want us to go ‘nation building’ in every muslim country on the planet?

VorDaj on July 19, 2013 at 6:42 PM

I don’t give a grizzly bears patooty what Hannity says.

Anyone in talk radio that is still kissing the gop’s behind is immediately off my list (like they care). :-)

This is probably more about beating back a Cheney so it doesn’t threaten the next-in-line for the gop Progressive Ruling class (Crown Prince Jeb, of the House of Bush).

PappyD61 on July 19, 2013 at 6:42 PM

Cheney, meanwhile, is likely vulnerable on her favoring of gay marriage.

Really? I’d heard her speaking out for the repeal of “Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell”, but gay marriage??? Lotsa luck in Wyoming.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on July 19, 2013 at 6:43 PM

I don’t care for him that much. He repeats the same things every single day. It also doesn’t surprise me that he would endorse Cheney considering that he is pretty much a spokesperson for the Republican Party and follows their line.

JR on July 19, 2013 at 6:39 PM

+1

MadisonConservative on July 19, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Didn’t Hannity come out for amnesty not too long ago… like, right after the election?

Punchenko on July 19, 2013 at 6:36 PM

Only because of the children though. And because he loves humping Rubio’s leg.

VorDaj on July 19, 2013 at 6:44 PM

Now I see, this is a proxy war.

Should be fun.

faraway on July 19, 2013 at 6:34 PM

Liz versus Jeb (a prelude to 2016)

Liz versus Rand Paul (a prelude to 2016)

yep.

PappyD61 on July 19, 2013 at 6:45 PM

And through all this Mark Levin and Sean Hannity have attained, and have created for themselves serenity, and it is only their cognitive dissonance that is keeping them alive in their mindless absurdity.

RasThavas on July 19, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Hannity and some of the folks at Fox News are good Bush Family & Associates soldiers who will continue losing elections for Republicans.

Punchenko on July 19, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Wasamatter? Don’t you want us to go ‘nation building’ in every muslim country on the planet?

VorDaj on July 19, 2013 at 6:42 PM

The problem with trying to use foreign policy as a distinguishing point is that Enzi has just as hawkish a voting record as Liz Cheney could possibly claim she would like to have. That’s part of what makes Rand Paul’s endorsement semi-surprising.

Stoic Patriot on July 19, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Liz versus Jeb (a prelude to 2016)

Liz versus Rand Paul (a prelude to 2016)

yep.

PappyD61 on July 19, 2013 at 6:45 PM

No, Liz will stick to the Senate and maybe run for even higher office down the road. The real ticket they are working on is Rubio/Jeb in 2016 with Bush courtiers filling all of their old offices in White House after the election.

Rand Paul stands in their way hence the Jonah Goldberg, Michael Gerson, Jennifer Rubin, and Washington Free Beacon (a Bill Kristol outfit) hit-pieces calling Rand a “Neo-Confederate” sympathizer through guilt by association.

Punchenko on July 19, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Hannity and some of the folks at Fox News are good Bush Family & Associates soldiers who will continue losing elections for Republicans.

Punchenko on July 19, 2013 at 6:47 PM

exactly

JR on July 19, 2013 at 6:52 PM

Enzi voted against Rubeos comprehensive immigration embarrassment and Cheney was endorsed by Hannity, a convert to the left on this issue? Hardly a good day for Cheney.

Valkyriepundit on July 19, 2013 at 6:53 PM

The problem with trying to use foreign policy as a distinguishing point is that Enzi has just as hawkish a voting record as Liz Cheney could possibly claim she would like to have. That’s part of what makes Rand Paul’s endorsement semi-surprising.

Stoic Patriot on July 19, 2013 at 6:48 PM

It’s a proxy war between Bush Family & Associates and all others.

But of course Paul is going to support “all others” over Bush courtier, Liz Cheney — especially when Bush Family & Associates (and the Cheney clan in particular) got behind Rand’s opponent in 2010.

And I liked Liz Cheney, too… but on Fox… or in the House from a seat in Northern Virginia.

Punchenko on July 19, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Hannity is a closet amnesty shill and Levin is getting chunky. The neocons are coming out of the woodworks for this one. Hell, I barely even knew about Enzi until all of DC went after his scalp and that alone makes me a fan.
:p

abobo on July 19, 2013 at 6:55 PM

And all the RINOs on here freak out as expected.

The Notorious G.O.P on July 19, 2013 at 6:56 PM

What are Liz Cheney’s conservative positions?

sharrukin on July 19, 2013 at 6:57 PM

How many safe votes did Enzi get to take?

Bmore on July 19, 2013 at 6:59 PM

For what it’s worth, I’ve heard from people who know him on both the left and right that he’s one of the nicest guys in media.

Allahpundit on July 19, 2013 at 6:59 PM

It’s a proxy war between Bush Family & Associates and all others.

But of course Paul is going to support “all others” over Bush courtier, Liz Cheney — especially when Bush Family & Associates (and the Cheney clan in particular) got behind Rand’s opponent in 2010.

And I liked Liz Cheney, too… but on Fox… or in the House from a seat in Northern Virginia.

Punchenko on July 19, 2013 at 6:55 PM

I think you’re completely right. This is a race for a political office where political issues will be nearly a non-factor. That’s why Liz Cheney’s decision to run seems so bizarre. Taking a message to the people of “Replace him with me because I waaaaaannnnttt iiiiiiit!” isn’t a compelling argument to the average voter.

Stoic Patriot on July 19, 2013 at 6:59 PM

“Reverend Wright! Reverend Wright! Reverend Wright! Reverend Wright!….breathes…Reverend Wright! Reverend Wright! Reverend Wright! Reverend Wright!….breathes…Reverend Wright!”

-Shawn Hannity, 2008 Election, 2010 Election, 2012 Election.

portlandon on July 19, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Hannity is the bigggggggeeeesssst hack in the universe! Got what a hack!

BJ* on July 19, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Contrary to his claims of being a conservative, Hannity has proven repeatedly that he is nothing more than a republican Party hack who constantly repeat himself. How anyone can watch or listen to him is beyond belief.

bw222 on July 19, 2013 at 7:01 PM

But but but… the pic! Light blue denim/chambray button shirt, green pasture with weathered split-rail fence – how much more Wyominger can you get???

Marcola on July 19, 2013 at 7:03 PM

If Austin Cunningham does a campaign song for her she’s invincible against the sponsor of internet sales tax legislation.

meci on July 19, 2013 at 7:03 PM

For what it’s worth, I’ve heard from people who know him on both the left and right that he’s one of the nicest guys in media.

Allahpundit on July 19, 2013 at 6:59 PM

There are a lot of really nice guys who never made it past AA baseball because, like Sean, they lack talent.

bw222 on July 19, 2013 at 7:05 PM

For what it’s worth, I’ve heard from people who know him on both the left and right that he’s one of the nicest guys in media.

Allahpundit on July 19, 2013 at 6:59 PM

“Nice” is overrated, AP. Look at yourself: you are an excellent commentator and nobody has the slightest clue who you are or if you are nice or not. Probably not even your cats.

Valkyriepundit on July 19, 2013 at 7:05 PM

Hannity? Suddenly, I like Cheney less…

SailorMark on July 19, 2013 at 7:07 PM

“Reverend Wright! Reverend Wright! Reverend Wright! Reverend Wright!….breathes…Reverend Wright! Reverend Wright! Reverend Wright! Reverend Wright!….breathes…Reverend Wright!”

-Shawn Hannity, 2008 Election, 2010 Election, 2012 Election.

portlandon on July 19, 2013 at 7:00 PM

LOL! Followed by, “Reverend Wright! Reverend Wright! Reverend Wright, let’s go out to Ruth’s Chris with our friend Lanny Davis. It’s on me! We’re all in it here to make $$$, am I right? Here’s a Great American Panel football for your kids. Sorry about all the mean things I said, but you know how it is when you got an audience! Gotta give ‘em what they want!”

Punchenko on July 19, 2013 at 7:10 PM

************* Friendly Political Fire Cometh ****************!!

canopfor on July 19, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Levin endorsed her the day she announced.

Hat Trick on July 19, 2013 at 6:39 PM

I like Levin far more than Hannity because he is smart and is up on the issues. Levin has two problems: 1) he refuses to admit when he is wrong, and, like all of us, he sometimes is and 2) he has a blind spot for people he likes. He still blames the other members of the Gang of Eight and gives Rubio a pass even though Rubio was the ringleader and lied to Levin while Levin was interviewing him.

bw222 on July 19, 2013 at 7:11 PM

I’ve got a feeling that she plans this Senate seat to simply be a stepping stone to run for president.

Dongemaharu on July 19, 2013 at 7:14 PM

“Reverend Wright! Reverend Wright! Reverend Wright! Reverend Wright!….breathes…Reverend Wright! Reverend Wright! Reverend Wright! Reverend Wright!….breathes…Reverend Wright!”

-Shawn Hannity, 2008 Election, 2010 Election, 2012 Election.

portlandon on July 19, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Dont forget his “Great American” participation trophies for every person who ever crosses his way.

Valkyriepundit on July 19, 2013 at 7:15 PM

But but but… the pic! Light blue denim/chambray button shirt, green pasture with weathered split-rail fence – how much more Wyominger can you get???

Marcola on July 19, 2013 at 7:03 PM

All she needs now are the two cowboys from Brokeback Mountain. Oh, wait, that comes after she is elected, votes with the establishment, and the buyer’s remorse sets in. :-D

Punchenko on July 19, 2013 at 7:16 PM

The objection to him appears to be almost entirely stylistic: Cheney will stand in the well and attack Obama for betraying American values, then end up casting a vote for gay marriage later. Enzi will say nothing, then cast a vote against it.

Which is why I’m staying out of this one. Don’t think either would be a bad choice.

rbj on July 19, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Dont forget his “Great American” participation trophies for every person who ever crosses his way.

Valkyriepundit on July 19, 2013 at 7:15 PM

Everyone is a Great American who rubs well-coiffed hair with Mr. Hannity. Everyone.

Punchenko on July 19, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Hannity is a closet amnesty shill and Levin is getting chunky. The neocons are coming out of the woodworks for this one. Hell, I barely even knew about Enzi until all of DC went after his scalp and that alone makes me a fan.
:p

abobo on July 19, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Same here. About all I know about Enzi is that he’s against amnesty and voted against raising the debt ceiling and that that NY/DC GOP establishment are against him, (probably because of those two issues more than any others, I’d bet), so I would probably vote for Enzi if I lived in Wyoming.

Liz Cheney is the opposite of a tea partier. She is more like a carpet bagging anti-tea partier; she represents the GOP establishment, with a lobbyist husband, who is primarying an incumbent that real tea partiers in his state probably like.

FloatingRock on July 19, 2013 at 7:18 PM

LOL! Followed by, “Reverend Wright! Reverend Wright! Reverend Wright, let’s go out to Ruth’s Chris with our friend Lanny Davis. It’s on me! We’re all in it here to make $$$, am I right? Here’s a Great American Panel football for your kids. Sorry about all the mean things I said, but you know how it is when you got an audience! Gotta give ‘em what they want!”

Punchenko on July 19, 2013 at 7:10 PM

I have never seen anyone who hawks as many products as Sean Hannity. The man has no believability.

bw222 on July 19, 2013 at 7:18 PM

Allahpundit on July 19, 2013 at 6:59 PM

I like nice people. The problem is, Boehner’s nice, Issa’s nice, Ryan’s nice, everyone’s nice. What I’d like to see are some pit bulls, who know how to fight dirty, or at least can anticipate dirty tricks by the other side, who will not only stand up to Holder, Reid, and Choomboy, but to the Republican establishment, and quit handing us pukes like McCain, more Bush’s and, to a lesser degree, Romney.

SailorMark on July 19, 2013 at 7:18 PM

So Hannity has moved to the Dark Side. He is endorsing the socially liberal candidate instead of the socially conservative one.

Rose on July 19, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Liz Cheney would primary McCain or Graham or Rubio if she were a real tea partier, not Enzi.

FloatingRock on July 19, 2013 at 7:19 PM

I’ve got a feeling that she plans this Senate seat to simply be a stepping stone to run for president.

Dongemaharu on July 19, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Or as vice president for one term (Rubio or Jeb Bush?) and then a presidential run.

sharrukin on July 19, 2013 at 7:20 PM

So Hannity has moved to the Dark Side. He is endorsing the socially liberal candidate instead of the socially conservative one.

Rose on July 19, 2013 at 7:19 PM

He’s been in NY a looooong time.

FloatingRock on July 19, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Punchenko on July 19, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Valkyriepundit on July 19, 2013 at 7:15 PM

LOL. Of course!

“Reverend Wright! Reverend KKK! Ruth Chris! “You’re a Great American! Ayers!”

- Hannity Remix

portlandon on July 19, 2013 at 7:20 PM

For what it’s worth, I’ve heard from people who know him on both the left and right that he’s one of the nicest guys in media.

Allahpundit on July 19, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Allahpundit:

Don’t let the Scrutenizers bother you, plus, its Friday….

…..take no prisoners…AP!!:)

canopfor on July 19, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Whenever we lose an election, it’s the same silly voices who want boot social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, the realists, the doves, the libertarians… but never the neoconservatives. We have our spat, and then we go back to neoconservative Bushness as usual and go on to lose another election.

And now they’re closing ranks, trying to get like-minded Bush courtiers elected to the Senate; and are gearing up to give Rubio his makeover in time for 2016 after the knife he gave us in the back over amnesty. Just when will it end? I wouldn’t be surprised if Bush Family and Associates apparatchiks didn’t gleefully support the IRS’s targeting of Tea Party groups. Hell, Queen Barbara told Sarah to go back to Alaska, for heaven’s sake.

Punchenko on July 19, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Everyone is a Great American who rubs well-coiffed hair with Mr. Hannity. Everyone.

Punchenko on July 19, 2013 at 7:17 PM

If Hannity was bald, he would be doing the farm report on a 500 watt station in the middle of Nebraska, telling everyone what a “great Cornhusker” they are. He is a caricature.

bw222 on July 19, 2013 at 7:31 PM

LOL. Of course!

“Reverend Wright! Reverend KKK! Ruth Chris! “You’re a Great American! Ayers!”

- Hannity Remix

portlandon on July 19, 2013 at 7:20 PM

No, YOU’RE A GREAT AMERICAN, Portlandon! Buy my book.

Punchenko on July 19, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Dont forget his “Great American” participation trophies for every person who ever crosses his way.

Valkyriepundit on July 19, 2013 at 7:15 PM

A routine outright stolen from Bill Cunningham.

Myron Falwell on July 19, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Hannity endorces!

…LMAO

celt on July 19, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Hot Air has officially been overrun by Ron Paul Libertarian Wackjobs.

AYNBLAND on July 19, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Hot Air has officially been overrun by Ron Paul Libertarian Wackjobs.

AYNBLAND on July 19, 2013 at 7:57 PM

I think libertarians are deluded about several things, but the establishment GOP is far, far worse. They have completely destroyed any claim they have to conservatism.

sharrukin on July 19, 2013 at 7:59 PM

…on the QT… Hannity is CIA… Sshhhh….

Akzed on July 19, 2013 at 8:00 PM

who cares..

gatorboy on July 19, 2013 at 8:05 PM

i guess this means Liz is a terrible person?

mythicknight on July 19, 2013 at 8:05 PM

“Those senators, dey be old. Dey old school people. We in a new school, our generation, my generation.”

SouthernGent on July 19, 2013 at 8:05 PM

i guess this means Liz is a terrible person?

mythicknight on July 19, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Nobody seems to know what she is, or what her positions are.

sharrukin on July 19, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Same here. About all I know about Enzi is that he’s against amnesty and voted against raising the debt ceiling and that that NY/DC GOP establishment are against him, (probably because of those two issues more than any others, I’d bet), so I would probably vote for Enzi if I lived in Wyoming.

Liz Cheney is the opposite of a tea partier. She is more like a carpet bagging anti-tea partier; she represents the GOP establishment, with a lobbyist husband, who is primarying an incumbent that real tea partiers in his state probably like.

FloatingRock on July 19, 2013 at 7:18 PM

AGREE!

KirknBurker on July 19, 2013 at 8:16 PM

i guess this means Liz is a terrible person?

mythicknight on July 19, 2013 at 8:05 PM

You’d have to define ‘terrible person’.

But, if terrible means you carpetbag another state against a solid conservative instead of running for office in your home town, district, or state because you are probably a coward and need daddy’s power to get you over the top……then….YES, you are a terrible person.

KirknBurker on July 19, 2013 at 8:18 PM

i guess this means Liz is a terrible person?

mythicknight on July 19, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Nobody seems to know what she is, or what her positions are.

sharrukin on July 19, 2013 at 8:07 PM

She’s done probably 200 interviews since Obama’s been President. Go listen. She’s as Conservative as anyone and has done consistent and constant battle with Obama and Progressives.

AYNBLAND on July 19, 2013 at 8:19 PM

This is about the Bush Mafia wanting to control the party. It’s been there personal party since the 1980′s and they are now seeing holes in the dam. They already got their claws on Rubio and if they can get Cheney in, they can form a coalition in the Senate.

As for Hannity, Old man Cheney called in a favor for that endorsement; and Levin… well he’s always been a hypocritical big military executive power kind of guy.

OliverB on July 19, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Hot Air has officially been overrun by Ron Paul Libertarian Wackjobs.

AYNBLAND on July 19, 2013 at 7:57 PM

And my party has been officially been overrun by freaks who want unlimited government power….

OliverB on July 19, 2013 at 8:23 PM

She’s done probably 200 interviews since Obama’s been President. Go listen. She’s as Conservative as anyone and has done consistent and constant battle with Obama and Progressives.

AYNBLAND on July 19, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Yep. And that is why it is a disgrace for her to chicken out and not run in Virginia.

She was poised to run in Virginia and she backed down.

KirknBurker on July 19, 2013 at 8:23 PM

You Bush and Cheney bashers are full of CRAP. You guys didn’t say JACK during his two terms and you supported (as I did) virtually everything he did.

You only turned on them when some talk radio hosts did. You’re a bunch of phonies.

AYNBLAND on July 19, 2013 at 8:23 PM

She’s done probably 200 interviews…

AYNBLAND on July 19, 2013 at 8:19 PM

200?

So her positions on that big dustup over amnesty is what?

sharrukin on July 19, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Whenever we lose an election, it’s the same silly voices who want boot social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, the realists, the doves, the libertarians… but never the neoconservatives. We have our spat, and then we go back to neoconservative Bushness as usual and go on to lose another election

Punchenko on July 19, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Best post on the thread…. It’s never the neo-cons that are to blame for losing elections… It’s everyone else in the party’s fault.

OliverB on July 19, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Sean thinks I think with my testicles.

Hey Sean..FU, the Bushes, the Cheney’s and the GOP Neo-Con Estiblishment interventionist mess.

You want to win for the right, you MUST start to reform the GOP by going back to a prudent, balanced, sensible foreign policy where we fight for American interests and stop trying to do the impossible nation-building madness.

FCOL, can’t the GOP learn anything about what is going on at the grass roots?

KirknBurker on July 19, 2013 at 8:26 PM

AYNBLAND on July 19, 2013 at 8:23 PM

BS! I have been saying “Don’t go to Iraq!” since before Bush went there. And I’ve been saying “Get out!” since then. How long did it take? Years.

And what the heck are we still doing in Afghanistan?

If we would simply campaign on a strong but sensible foreign policy and get the heck out of Afghanistan, we’d win the White House and also the Senate in 2014.

Overextended empire…hmmmm…..where have noted that in history? Maybe EVERY empire there ever was.

Obama voters who got creamed with the bad economy and the wallop they will take on O-Care, can be won over if we attack Obamacare and campaign on reeling in foreign policy excesses.

KirknBurker on July 19, 2013 at 8:32 PM

For what it’s worth, I’ve heard from people who know him on both the left and right that he’s one of the nicest guys in media.

Allahpundit on July 19, 2013 at 6:59 PM

I’d love to have dinner with him as it would probably be fascinating and he’d be a great host. He’s probably a wonderful friend.

However, he is an establishment shill. I have no problem with that because I know it and adjust my listening accordingly when he talks politics.

kim roy on July 19, 2013 at 8:34 PM

She’s done probably 200 interviews since Obama’s been President. Go listen. She’s as Conservative as anyone and has done consistent and constant battle with Obama and Progressives.

AYNBLAND on July 19, 2013 at 8:19 PM

I’ve seen a number of them. She’s very articulate, but they were all red meat criticizing O and his Regime. Maybe I’ve missed it, but I have yet to see her say “I agree/disagree with _____”.

It appears a lot of us are waiting for that as Enzi has shown his beliefs with his votes and he’s already been through an election and is a matter of public record previously (unless he’s “evolved”).

kim roy on July 19, 2013 at 8:37 PM

You Bush and Cheney bashers are full of CRAP. You guys didn’t say JACK during his two terms and you supported (as I did) virtually everything he did.

AYNBLAND on July 19, 2013 at 8:23 PM

I got banned at Free Republic by bashing Bush before bashing Bush was cool. I opposed Bush on No Child Left Behind, TARP, amnesty, the DOJ’s persecution of BP agents for doing their job and much more.

bw222 on July 19, 2013 at 8:55 PM

She’s done probably 200 interviews since Obama’s been President. Go listen. She’s as Conservative as anyone and has done consistent and constant battle with Obama and Progressives.

AYNBLAND on July 19, 2013 at 8:19 PM

So, where does she stand on amnesty, the biggest issue of the day? “Google” Liz Cheney + amnesty or comprehensive immigration reform” and it’s like the internet has been scrubbed clean. She can’t duck and hide much longer.

bw222 on July 19, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Hey, Levin Bashers:
The guy’s human, he’s made mistakes, but he consistently goes hammer and tongs against Rove and the Neocons, and savages, and I mean savages the Republican leadership for not having the b*lls to take the fight to Reid and Pelosi.

And he’s about the only voice in the wilderness right now who’s actually thinking outside the box and trying to come up with an attack plan to restore us to a Constitutional government (The Liberty Amendments…)

If you haven’t listened in a while, tune in.

CaptFlood on July 19, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Obama voters who got creamed with the bad economy and the wallop they will take on O-Care, can be won over if we attack Obamacare and campaign on reeling in foreign policy excesses.

KirknBurker on July 19, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Exactly, and that won’t happen if they are attacked as “low-information voters,” which is basically telling them that they are too stupid to do anything in society.

RINOs and severely misguided conservatives alike are both making this massive mistake. You’re going after the wrong people and are portraying yourselves to the classic Reagan Democrats that you are out-of-step with the times, just like the Whigs devolved into the Know-Nothings.

Same with Hannity’s predictable and unoriginal act. I stopped listening to his show long ago, and I’m not the only one… his style of one-trick-pony talk radio has collapsed in the ratings across the board. It isn’t winning anyone over.

Myron Falwell on July 19, 2013 at 9:01 PM

So I guess because someone has a last name now they qualify for the senate?

stop the circus I want to get off.

this is rove/bush wing trying to take out a conservative and hurt the cruz/paul wing in the senate nothing more nothing less.

If rove/bush/chenny wanted to help conservatives they would be taking on hagan or the open MT seat.

I mean liz is a carpetbagger in WY what’s the difference if she carpetbags in MT or NC?

unseen on July 19, 2013 at 9:01 PM

CaptFlood on July 19, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Levin is a great broadcaster, a profound intellectual, and a good entertainer. He really should have Hannity’s time slot (many talk stations on the East Coast tend to preempt Levin’s show to air sports play-by-play).

Myron Falwell on July 19, 2013 at 9:05 PM

AS for Liz Cheney running as a TEA Party Candidate, this is typical Bush Family M.O. Just like Old man Bush having a disdain for Social Conservatives when he ran against Reagan- he saw the power in the that movement and placed his people in positions of power within the movement. They infiltrated the Social Cons to serve the family’s power, now they are aiming to do it with the TEA Party.

OliverB on July 19, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Myron Falwell on July 19, 2013 at 9:01 PM

agreed the low information voter meme is only hurting conservatives we should be trying to win over the 47% not bad mouth them. I know Rush didn’t mean it in a mean spirited way but many other conservatives took it to mean stupid voter.

Why should people know the heads of the DOJ, NSA, FBI the senators house members? the country was designed so that the federal government could be run by low information voters. That we as citizens could go about our lives and not really give a fig about DC. a small limited government can’t hurt its citizens. In a perfect world we shouldn’t have to read a 2,000 page bill. the congress should not have the power to impact our daily lives. We should only have to worry about the big things.

sadly now the federal gov impacts our daily lives stealing our freedoms and liberties daily hourly. And even the high information voters are powerless to stop it. No we don’t have to inform the voters. We have to limit the gov so the uninformed can go about their lives in ignorance and the federal gov can’t do a thing about it.

unseen on July 19, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Hot Air has officially been overrun by Ron Paul Libertarian Wackjobs.

AYNBLAND on July 19, 2013 at 7:57 PM

We just need us some Bob Dole I guess…

celt on July 19, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Old man Bush having a disdain for Social Conservatives when he ran against Reagan- he saw the power in the that movement and placed his people in positions of power within the movement. They infiltrated the Social Cons to serve the family’s power, now they are aiming to do it with the TEA Party.

OliverB on July 19, 2013 at 9:05 PM

yeap people like Chenny and rumsfield and baker stopped the Reagan revol! and they have been acting to stamp it out for the last 30 odd years.

unseen on July 19, 2013 at 9:12 PM

No, Liz will stick to the Senate and maybe run for even higher office down the road. The real ticket they are working on is Rubio/Jeb in 2016 with Bush courtiers filling all of their old offices in White House after the election.

Punchenko on July 19, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Finally, someone see’s what’s going on.

The selection has been made by your owners, and they will have their way and you will suck it up and take it, let’s not feign some kind of outrage, in the end you subservient’s do as you’re told

It was going to be Romney whether you liked it or not, it will be another Bush whether you like it or not

True_King on July 19, 2013 at 9:20 PM

At least Enzi has a voting record to check. Liz Cheney has never run for office, but she has worked for the government. Unfortunately, she is disqualified because she quit her government job to work on her father’s campaign (sarc). I’ve seen her on tv and she strikes me as more liberal than conservative with the exception of foreign policy. Not sure where she stands on amnesty (re-branded as path to citizenship). It would be better if she had a record that we could judge. She should run for the House. That way if she lied on the campaign trail there wouldn’t be a six year wait to boot her to the curb. Conversely, if she followed through on her promises she’d be more credible for a Senate run.

Regarding Sean Hannity, he seems like a nice guy, but his repetitious rants on the show really annoy me. I tune in sporadically and if he doesn’t have a guest on I tune back out. Without a guest his show gets monotonous. He uses the same phrases over and over, like an instructor at a communist re-education camp. He should trade-mark “MMA Style ground and pound”. He must have said that a dozen times the other day before I turned the dial.

Ibanez Lotus on July 19, 2013 at 9:25 PM

Levin is a great broadcaster, a profound intellectual, and a good entertainer. He really should have Hannity’s time slot (many talk stations on the East Coast tend to preempt Levin’s show to air sports play-by-play).

Myron Falwell on July 19, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Agree on all points, Myron. Listening to Levin has transformed me from someone who says, “Hippies suck,” to someone who still says, “Hippies suck,” but can now cite chapter and verse as to why they suck.

CaptFlood on July 19, 2013 at 9:25 PM

This is about the Bush Mafia wanting to control the party. It’s been there personal party since the 1980′s and they are now seeing holes in the dam. They already got their claws on Rubio and if they can get Cheney in, they can form a coalition in the Senate.

As for Hannity, Old man Cheney called in a favor for that endorsement; and Levin… well he’s always been a hypocritical big military executive power kind of guy.

OliverB on July 19, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Yup, and they have King George P. Bush III running for Texas Land Commissioner which is the first step in his journey to become Governor and then President.

Punchenko on July 19, 2013 at 9:41 PM

What she needs to counter Rand Paul is a major tea-party pol. Ted Cruz would be a big get, but who knows if he wants to risk his political capital on this. If he goes in there, issues the big endorsement, and she ends up flattened anyway by Enzi’s popularity, it’s a stumble. He’ll be a late endorser, I take it, assuming he gets in at all.

Why would Cruz endorse her? He wants to get rid of the rove/bush chenny wing not give it a free seat for the next 40 years.

If liz really wants to win she should be asking Palin to endorse her but I doubt Palin will endorse her either. the idea is to get rid of the GOPe not cozy up to them.

unseen on July 19, 2013 at 9:51 PM

It was going to be Romney whether you liked it or not, it will be another Bush whether you like it or not

True_King on July 19, 2013 at 9:20 PM

sad to say but I would rather have a Clinton than a bush in office at least then I can honestly oppose the left. Instead of fighting my “side” on Bush .

unseen on July 19, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Yup, and they have King George P. Bush III running for Texas Land Commissioner which is the first step in his journey to become Governor and then President.

Punchenko on July 19, 2013 at 9:41 PM

I really doubt another bush will ever get into POTUS again. maybe in 30 or 40 years but not now and not soon.

unseen on July 19, 2013 at 9:54 PM

I side with the Crown against the pretenders! Liz has , in fact, an sworn allegiance to the Bush family through her father. If she presses forward to honour the Bush name and glorify the Bush banner then I will follow. For the Crown! For Mother Queen Barbara!

BoxHead1 on July 19, 2013 at 10:13 PM

And, I care what Hannity says like how?

I stand with Rand.

Kalifornia Kafir on July 19, 2013 at 10:19 PM

I really doubt another bush will ever get into POTUS again. maybe in 30 or 40 years but not now and not soon.

unseen on July 19, 2013 at 9:54 PM

No, Jeb will be the next Vice President if all goes accordingly and Rubio wins the nomination — and he will since he will have the $$$ and Bush Machine working for him unlike Romney and McCain.

Punchenko on July 19, 2013 at 10:53 PM

Hannity also loves that backstabbing traitor Nicole Wallace.

AmeriCuda on July 19, 2013 at 11:42 PM

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