Two polls show majority support for pathway to citizenship — and tougher border security

posted at 8:41 am on July 18, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

What, no poll on whether mass murderer Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is a total dreamboat?  No, both the Washington Post/ABC series and the National Journal/UT poll continues its focus on immigration policy as the House debates whether to debate it at all.  Let’s start with WaPo/ABC, where the bill’s major components are popular enough across the board to make an argument for a loose consensus:

A big majority of Americans supports a Senate-approved surge of manpower and fencing along the U.S. Mexico border, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll. But some recoil at the $46 billion price tag, highlighting deep partisan disagreement about whether the heightened effort is worth the cost.

The second major component of the Senate bill also wins majority support. Some 55 percent support a “pathway to citizenship” for undocumented immigrants, nearly identical to three recent Post-ABC polls asking the same question about “illegal immigrants.”

On Tuesday President Obama demanded once again that Congress include a way for undocumented immigrants to become citizens, a sticking point for House Republicans who want to address border security first. The poll finds continued hesitance among their base: 58 percent of Republicans oppose a path to citizenship, while most independents (55 percent) and Democrats (69 percent) support it.

An even larger majority, 64 percent, support adding 20,000 border agents and 700 miles of fence along the border with Mexico. But support drops by 11 percentage points, to 53 percent, among the random half of respondents who were asked the same question but also told the measures came “at a cost of 46 billion dollars.” (Respondents were randomly assigned to hear the proposal with or without the cost; results for each group are reported separately).

Of course, the cost is high, but border security is one of the actual and explicit duties of the federal government.  To put that cost in perspective, $46 billion comes to slightly over half of the sequester each year, and about 4.9% of this year’s estimated deficit.  The cost gets spread out over several years, too, which that question doesn’t bother to explain.

Still, the numbers for each of the components are compelling.  The pathway to citizenship has a 14-point gap at 55/41, with independent voters supporting it identically.  Even 38% of Republicans support that component of the reform.  Border security gets 2:1 support at 64/32, and a majority at 53/45 when costs are specified.  Democrats support border security 56/40 without the costs, but fall to 43/53 with them; all other demos hold their support either way.

The NJ/UT poll shows stronger support for a tougher border-security provision, but overall support for passing the Senate bill in the House:

A strong majority of Americans, 59 percent, said they would like to see the House either pass the Senate’s immigration bill as is or pass a version with even tougher border-control measures, according to the latest United Technologies/National Journal Congressional Connection Poll.

In contrast, only one in five voters said they prefer that the House pass no immigration legislation at all, and only 13 percent said they want the House to strip the path to citizenship from the Senate’s bill.

In the survey, respondents were given four options for how the House should proceed on immigration. The two most popular answers were to pass the Senate bill with tougher border-enforcement provisions (30 percent) and to pass the Senate measure as is (29 percent). …

The trouble for Republicans is that passing immigration legislation without a path to citizenship was respondents’ least popular option across all age groups and income levels, among both men and women, in cities, suburbs, and rural areas.

The NJ/UT poll offered more choices to respondents, and the results showed an even greater consensus than first thought.  A statistically identical ratio of Democrats, Republicans, and independents agree on one formulation — add tougher border-security provisions to the Senate bill and pass it.  For Republicans, that gets 18% and 42% respectively for 60%, while Democrats go 37% and 22%, and independents 30% and 29%.  However, no demographic even comes close to majority support for passing the Senate bill alone in its current state, not even the “nonwhites,” 29% of whom want tougher border-security provisions than the Senate bill currently has.  The highest support the Senate-bill-alone option gets is 37% among college-age whites, five points higher than “nonwhites” and ten points above African-Americans.

For those who want the House to run out the clock, though, doing nothing is hardly popular, not even among Republicans.   Only 16% of GOP voters want the House to do nothing.  Oddly, the highest percentage (22%) for the do-nothing option come from African-Americans … and Democrats.  The only option less popular than doing nothing is stripping the path to citizenship from any reform, which peaks at 16% among Republicans.

Neither poll asks the truly pertinent question about border security, though, which is that of trust. If the White House chooses not to enforce the law it demanded from Congress — ObamaCare and its mandates — then how can we trust them to enforce a border-security law, no matter how tough, that they will clearly despise?


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Only 16% of Republicans want the bill to die? I don’t believe it. I just don’t.

S. Weasel on July 18, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Push poll…

Skywise on July 18, 2013 at 8:47 AM

No Ed….bad news for the GOP….

you go on ahead and listen to your heart.

I’m gonna go ahead and switch parties and elect full democrats.

harlekwin15 on July 18, 2013 at 8:47 AM

But some recoil at the $46 billion price tag, highlighting deep partisan disagreement about whether the heightened effort is worth the cost.

If amnesty goes through the costs on all of these people on a personal level will make them wish they had been more vocal when they had the chance.

How much did it cost the Israelis to build that gigantic concrete barrier of theirs, and landmines can’t be that expensive. I’m only half joking.

Bishop on July 18, 2013 at 8:47 AM

Open the bidding on the fence and drive that price way down. Any government estimate is a farce, as are the scam artists they would hire to build it. Do they ever ask “Do you support spending $100 million on the bitter and racist first lady’s vacation?”

Flange on July 18, 2013 at 8:49 AM

My mama used to ask the rhetorical question, “so, if all the other sheep decide to jump off a cliff, does that mean you should too?” And of course the answer is a resounding “NO!!”

I have the same answer here. The rest of the sheep can go jump off that “pathway” cliff, if they’re so inclined. I’d rather stand on the “secure the borders” & “enforce the laws we have” firm ground.

theotherone on July 18, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Just move the IRS monies over to border security

cmsinaz on July 18, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Gee, why don’t they poll them on the “price tag” for those 11 million illegals on their “pathway to citizenship” going on welfare — which is exactly what at a minimum 6 million of ‘em are gonna do. Think the peeps will recoil at that?

Rational Thought on July 18, 2013 at 8:50 AM

Maybe if Americans were informed…their views might change…

““We can’t have Presidents of the United States picking and choosing which laws will and will not be enforced.” Crane said.

Crane went on to explain how President Obama’s de facto repeal of immigration enforcement has led to serious and dangerous criminals being set free.

“What the Obama Administration has ICE agents now doing is we now go into jails and prisons looking for illegal aliens inside of those facilities who have committed and been convicted of crimes. So we apply the Dream Act not to kids, in schools, but to adult inmates and have to ask them basically ‘Do you qualify for President Obama’s Dream Act?’ When they tell us ‘Yes we qualify’ we can’t even require them to give us any kind of proof, a transcript, or anything like that. We can’t detain them for investigation to substantiate the claims, we simply have to release them to the street. They walk out the back door of the jail as ‘Dreamers.’ There is nothing we can do about that.

Crane then related a story of a man who was detained for assaulting a family member, injured two ICE officers during his arrest and, despite the serious nature of his crime, was released because ICE managers informed the arresting officers that ‘He’s an Obama Dreamer, release him.’ Crane went on to explain “No investigation, no criminal charges, no consideration of the public safety threat. He’s an Obama Dreamer, let him go, and that’s a scary situation.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/07/violent-criminals-released-by-ice-if-they-are-obama-dreamers-video/#ixzz2ZOvb5Gdu

workingclass artist on July 18, 2013 at 8:51 AM

I note that the poll doesn’t put the cost of legalizing and giving citizenship to millions of illegals.

Oh, right, it is claimed that acquiring millions of low paid, uneducated, unskilled people and creating incentives for many million more to enter illegally will SAVE us money.

Because everyone knows, the more poor people a country has, the richer that country becomes. It’s science.

Obviously, if you have more poor people, and create incentives for even more poor people to enter your country, you will find your deficit is reduced, gov’t spending will decrease and revenues will increase.

Again, science.

Monkeytoe on July 18, 2013 at 8:52 AM

Neither poll asks the truly pertinent question about border security, though, which is that of trust. If the White House chooses not to enforce the law it demanded from Congress — ObamaCare and its mandates — then how can we trust them to enforce a border-security law, no matter how tough, that they will clearly despise?

POSTED AT 8:41 AM ON JULY 18, 2013 BY ED MORRISSEY

Exactly, Ed. And anyone who does trust this administration is demonstrably insane, or criminally stupid. Or, more likely, both.

Chris of Rights on July 18, 2013 at 8:52 AM

The polls show that people support the concept of the bill. That support would collapse if they knew the details hidden in the 1,000+ page bill.

Charlemagne on July 18, 2013 at 8:52 AM

OT: What time is the Issa show today?

Chris of Rights on July 18, 2013 at 8:53 AM

Illegals should NEVER get citizenship. Never.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 18, 2013 at 8:54 AM

I note that the poll doesn’t put the cost of legalizing and giving citizenship to millions of illegals.

that should have ended with “as one of the questions”. In other words, let’s have a poll that says “do you support giving current illegals a pathway to citizenship knowing it will raise gov’t expenses significantly and cause millions of more illegals to enter the U.S.?”

My guess is support for a “path to citizenship” would decline significantly if that was included in the question, rather than just the feel-good notion of “do you want to do nice things for other people or are you a jerk” question.

Monkeytoe on July 18, 2013 at 8:54 AM

For those who want the House to run out the clock, though, doing nothing is hardly popular, not even among Republicans.

But there are two major caveats. Once you actually educate people on what the Senate bill does(or more importantly doesn’t do), I guarantee you support will plummet. Just ask the average American, I don’t care who they are, how they feel about 40 million new low wage, low skilled immigrants being ushered into the country over the next decade or two and even the most hardcore libtards will start to question the sanity of that idea.

The other catch is that amnesty/immigration reform doesn’t matter to most Americans. Securing the border if polled by itself might rank higher, but there are far more pressing matters to deal with right now than “bringing people out of the shadows”. So if the House GOP does wind up doing nothing on this, does anyone really fear the Dems running on an amnesty platform next year or in 2016? Obama never even mentioned immigration during last year’s campaign(Telemundo had to force the issue).

Doughboy on July 18, 2013 at 8:54 AM

And…what about the pathway to citizenship for legal, lawful, immigrants who in some cases have to wait nearly a decade, if not longer, for their application to be adjudicated?

Pathway to citizenship? It is already in place. Just have to do it leghally. Just have to follow the signs, read the instructions, and get in line…not try to jump the line and then claim it is unfair.

How about this, for all you who advocate a pathway to citizenship for illegals…

Encourage some street thugs to break into your home, regular home invasion…the whole works…then allow them to demand that you provide them lunch, dinner, and a light breakfast…of their choosing…on your dime…every day until they choose to move elsewhere…someday..maybe.

Then allow them to move you to one bedroom, maybe just the basement, while they get to enjoy the rest of your house at their leisure…on your dime…and would you fix the furnace, it gets cold at night, and maybe set up a 60-inch flat screen, that old 34-inch….just doesn’t do it.

And to stop them from complaining about how bad it is living in your house…why not just give it to them…all of it…but you continue to pay the mortgage, and maintenance, repairs, and the taxes, and insurance…well past the maturity date on the original mortgage.

Then, find a new house…wait a couple weeks…then start this process all over again…and again…as long as it takes until every one of the street thugs who invaded your home, all of them, and all their kids, and grandkids, aunts and uncles, cousins of all descriptions…all, have a nice house of their own to destroy and let you have the privilege of paying for all of it…long past your death….let your kids keep up the payments, and their kids, too…

If this is something you’d just love to do, something you think is just sooo very very fair to everybody…

There is a word for that.

Stupid.

coldwarrior on July 18, 2013 at 8:54 AM

Neither poll asks the truly pertinent question about border security, though, which is that of trust.

The Declaration of Independence is merely words on paper without the resolve to live by the principles and provisions enumerated. Same goes with the Constitution. Same goes with any law.

So any talk of tougher border security, any piece of paper that talks about tougher border security is worthless. Show me the secure border and then maybe we can talk about the pathway to citizenship thing. We already have laws saying we have tough borders even though we have anything but.

Happy Nomad on July 18, 2013 at 8:57 AM

A majority of people will always say they support something if it sounds like it is the nice thing to do and no costs are associated with it.

So, when you ask random people “should we do something nice for the illegals” and there is no cost associated with the question, of course a majority will say “sure, why not”.

This is nothing more than push-polling to try and pretend there is a groundswell of support of legalizing the illegals. There is not. Whenever the person being polled is educated a little bit about the costs and downside of legalizing millions of illegals, a vast majority opposes the idea.

Monkeytoe on July 18, 2013 at 8:57 AM

MEXICO…..America’s NEW SWEATSHOP!!!

Just like the importation of slaves in the 17th and 18th centuries America is at it again. This time importing poor Mexicans (let’s get real) from the South. However, in the 21st Century these new Corporate slaves will have benefits all at the expense of US. The corporations will get what they want, the politicians will get what they want (a new government dependent / TEATER voting bloc) and the Mexican Illegals will get what they want (Opportunity and a land they can carve out for themselves, Atzlan).

Meanwhile you stupid crackers voted for it.

Message to the black community. The Progressives have been so successful killing off your babies (27 million black babies killed since Roe v. Wade) that you’re about to get swamped by tens of millions of Hispanics that have LARGE FAMILIES that are going to diminish your power and influence.

NAACP, you’re about to get kicked to the curb in favor of LARAZA.

AMNESTY……Empty Mexico now.

PappyD61 on July 18, 2013 at 8:57 AM

There was a member of congress a few years back that had ties or owned a construction company and he said it could be done for 1 billion. This is all a lie, I’m done with all these pigs. Those of you who don’t think this country is going to split in two are wearing the tin foil.

wheelgun on July 18, 2013 at 8:59 AM

The polls show that people support the concept of the bill. That support would collapse if they knew the details hidden in the 1,000+ page bill.

Charlemagne on July 18, 2013 at 8:52 AM

Sounds suspiciously like Obamacare.

Happy Nomad on July 18, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Stall / DeLay 2016

mjbrooks3 on July 18, 2013 at 9:02 AM

If amnesty goes through the costs on all of these people on a personal level will make them wish they had been more vocal when they had the chance.

How much did it cost the Israelis to build that gigantic concrete barrier of theirs, and landmines can’t be that expensive. I’m only half joking.

Bishop on July 18, 2013 at 8:47 AM

Much like 1986, really, only we have the experience with amnesty they didn’t. Then again, the first generation to not be taught history is now legislating.

You can easily double the cost per mile because it would be American union labor building it.

Steve Eggleston on July 18, 2013 at 9:02 AM

PappyD61 on July 18, 2013 at 8:57 AM

The Trayvons are gonna be schooled by a hell of a lot of “white” Hispanics…real quick.

Old school?

New skool…

Soon to be replaced by Nueva escuela.

And all because you insisted on voting Democrat because the Dems is your fren’./

coldwarrior on July 18, 2013 at 9:03 AM

But some recoil at the $46 billion price tag, highlighting deep partisan disagreement about whether the heightened effort is worth the cost.

Yeah, what the Hell, the cost, the COST!!

But let’s get those TV’S to Gitmo stat!!!

EFFING IMBICILES!

ToddPA on July 18, 2013 at 9:03 AM

Not that polls really matter, but if people knew the truth these numbers would change drastically.

Yesterday, I saw a headline about a man deported twenty-two times just got arrested here in a drug bust.

This whole notion we somehow ‘owe’ these illegals is worse than naive. Personally, I say we paid any presumed debts we owe (we don’t and never did, really) by letting their kids go to our schools for free, taking care of them all in our hospitals for free, letting them get away without paying taxes, and let them on welfare. Did I miss anything?

How many use forged or stolen documentation? If I recall, some states are issuing them driver licenses and they can’t get in trouble for having fake or otherwise illegal ones. Cities in CA are ‘sanctuary cities, where local government refuses to cooperate with Federal agencies responsible to deal with these people under Federal law.

How many carry no insurance on their cars like citizens have to, leaving people with damage to their property and maybe injuries as well with no compensation? Lacking any recourse, they end up paying out of their pockets.

How many are repeat criminals who commit crimes all the way up to and including rape and murder? Do we really want to give people like that citizenship?

The media hide most of these stories, but we know violent crimes by illegals happen every day. How fast and far would the crime statistics fall if we got rid of these illegals?

These are things people need to hear and internalize at long last.

Liam on July 18, 2013 at 9:03 AM

These polls are progressive and structured to yield predictable results. Citizenship for law-breakers is out of the question. Legalizing the “Dreamers” is just an attempt to desensitize conservatives to legalizing the entire group, by increments. Border Security, although important, doesn’t fix the problem, it’s a smoke-screen. The only real solution is penalizing the business’s that are breaking the law by hiring illegals. Fine the guilty and send habitual law-breakers to prison. No work and a hostile environment to law-breakers will remedy the situation almost overnight.

Oracleforhire on July 18, 2013 at 9:04 AM

For those who want the House to run out the clock, though, doing nothing is hardly popular, not even among Republicans.

That is a lie.

See, just because people marginally say they support legalizing the illegals does not mean that they care enough about it for it to effect their voting.

Even if this poll were true and accurate – which it is not as it does not reflect the costs to the U.S. of legalizing millions of illegals – it does not mean that a majority of the people claiming to support a “path to citizenship” really care one way or the other whether it actually gets done.

The only people who truly care about it getting passed are the left – the GOP is not going to lose votes by “doing nothing”. It will, however, lose votes and volunteers and contributions by passing any form of amnesty.

So, this is a false dichotomy. the argument that the GOP has to “do something” is a lie. Who actually gets angered if the GOP does nothing? Only the people who were never going to vote for the GOP in the first place.

this lie is right up there with the lie that Hispanics will start voting for the GOP if we give them amnesty.

Why – I ask this constantly – do pro-amnesty shills do nothing but lie?

Again, I have seen no argument whatsoever by any pro-amnesty person as to how granting amnesty benefits the U.S. in any way. It does not. Put aside whether it benefits the GOP politically for a moment and think about the country. How does millions of new poor people (and a new incentive for millions more to come) benefit the U.S.?

Now, as to politically benefiting the GOP – that is delusional as well. There is zero evidence it will help the GOP and plenty of evidence it won’t. All polling shows Hispanics are liberal fiscally. They come from leftist countries that don’t have conservatism – so what makes anyone believe they will be conservative? Because they are Catholic? So is John Kerry and so was Ted Kennedy. Plus, the 1986 amnesty by Reagan gained no support for the GOP among Hispanics. All evidence points to zero gains in Hispanic votes from an amnesty. But that shouldn’t even matter. It is not good for the Country. It has tons of costs and no benefits to the U.S. to legalize these people.

Monkeytoe on July 18, 2013 at 9:05 AM

The NJ/UT poll shows stronger support for a tougher border-security provision, but overall support for passing the Senate bill in the House:

No, it doesn’t.

Only 29% want to pass the Senate bill as is.

Only 29%

sentinelrules on July 18, 2013 at 9:05 AM

OT: What time is the Issa show today?

Chris of Rights on July 18, 2013 at 8:53 AM

It’s at 11 AM, Chris.

Chris of Rights on July 18, 2013 at 9:08 AM

I don’t understand why HA gives liberal polls any ink.

cajunpatriot on July 18, 2013 at 9:08 AM

The lie here and the reason for the rage at Ryan and Rubio and company is that if this was “the CRISIS!” that the newfound Amigo Grande! enthusiasts say it was why did it not get passed when Frau Botox had Thor’s Gavel in ’09?

Oh it just SUDDENLY became a popular overriding concern did it….

we got the hammer back for Boehner so we could get THIS done did we?

You know what go ahead…

diminish our vote even more.

I’ll join 40 million guys named Juan in throwing the GOP into the dustbin of history.

harlekwin15 on July 18, 2013 at 9:08 AM

Liam on July 18, 2013 at 9:03 AM

Some folks look at Rachel Jeantel, she be new skool…and got a 3.0…as some sort of aberration.

Over the past forty years or so, thanks to the libs, she is the archetype.

Logic means nothing…cuz it be retarded…and history…who cares, I got a new phone.

Across all racial lines, in all states, in all neighborhoods, even within families…the stupid runs deeper and deeper…not by accident, but by design.

Stupid is easier to rule.

Explains the outcry over homeschooling, or parochial schools, or vouchers for inner city kids…explains it all.

coldwarrior on July 18, 2013 at 9:11 AM

I am for doing nothing if we are going to do amnesty without security. And security must be first.

National Journal/UT

A garbage poll run by a garbage outfit. We can ignore any and all National Journal polls.

NotCoach on July 18, 2013 at 9:11 AM

Did they ask if the respondents read the bill? If they haven’t I don’t care what their opinion is. They don’t know what they’re talking about.

I don’t believe either poll. Polls are now tools used to form opinion rather than measure them.

Amnesty is the wrong thing. It’s especially wrong considering the economic mess the socialists put us in. We simply do not need to ramp up an army of low paid socialists.

Are we supposed to believe that public sentiment on this has moved since McNumbnuts tried this before during W’s administration? No, it hasn’t.

STOP PUSHING AMNESTY.

Send the criminals and their children back where they came from.

And no more guest workers. SEND THEM HOME TOO.

dogsoldier on July 18, 2013 at 9:13 AM

Oh, right, it is claimed that acquiring millions of low paid, uneducated, unskilled people and creating incentives for many million more to enter illegally will SAVE us money.

Confused? You shouldn’t be. This is the argument of supply side economics. As immigration places even more downward pressure on wages corporate profits will continue to rise (as they have been steadily since Obama got in office). This will all somehow help the rest of us economically as those increased profit margins are passed on to workers with increased pay (wait that doesn’t happen) workers pension programs (wait those don’t exist) investment in new innovators (nope Wall Street isn’t into that either). But, you know, it will trickle down to us somehow I guess….

libfreeordie on July 18, 2013 at 9:15 AM

dogsoldier on July 18, 2013 at 9:13 AM

They should have asked the respondents if they were willing to foot the bill, out of their own pocket.

The results would be quite a bit different, I’d wager.

coldwarrior on July 18, 2013 at 9:15 AM

libfreeordie on July 18, 2013 at 9:15 AM

You are correct. It will be a disaster.

dogsoldier on July 18, 2013 at 9:16 AM

The results would be quite a bit different, I’d wager.

coldwarrior on July 18, 2013 at 9:15 AM

I agree.

dogsoldier on July 18, 2013 at 9:17 AM

No, it doesn’t.

Only 29% want to pass the Senate bill as is.

Only 29%

sentinelrules on July 18, 2013 at 9:05 AM

Obviously, those 29% are the hard core Racists in our Nation.

(possibly some White Hispanics thrown in as well)

ToddPA on July 18, 2013 at 9:17 AM

I’m not usually a poll skeptic but these immigration polls really are basically push polls, and Ed is showing his admitted pro-amnesty agenda by hyping them. Why don’t they just ask whether people support or oppose the Senate bill? Instead they provide clearly biased descriptions that emphasize the bill’s security components, and don’t mention the features that critics object to, such as the legalization first structure, the doubling of legal immigration, or the fact that CBO forecasts it will only reduce illegal immigration by a third to half. Rasmussen did add the CGO projection to his poll and found that support dropped dramatically.

Jon0815 on July 18, 2013 at 9:18 AM

libfreeordie on July 18, 2013 at 9:15 AM

Another black against amnesty for George Zimmerman’s amigos.

sentinelrules on July 18, 2013 at 9:18 AM

Obviously, the other 71% are the hard core Racists in our Nation.

(possibly some White Hispanics thrown in as well)

Corrected from us New Schoolers

My bad!

ToddPA on July 18, 2013 at 9:17 AM

ToddPA on July 18, 2013 at 9:20 AM

Once again This is placing the Cart before the Horse.

These should be two separate issues. Border Security First.

Then…a policy debate on immigration reform that focuses on immigration violations enforcement…No Amnesty.

Washington DC doesn’t have a clue nor do they really care about securing the border…and they never have Texans involved in border security issues.

A wall works when it is secured by surveillance and boots on the ground in strategic areas and backed by consistent enforcement with penalties…otherwise the illegals climb it anyway…the drug cartels tunnel under it or jack it up…or even build ramps to drive over it.

Every state or location has a different fence design…so some fences are easier to breach then others…and some areas of the border are in canyons and mountains (almost 1/2 of the Texas border)

In Texas the entire border is covered by the Rio Grande River…a river protected by International Treaty, a Congressional Heritage River Resolution and a Tri-State Water Compact between Texas,New Mexico and Colorado.

In Texas…the Border Fence has ceded 50,000+ acres to Mexico placing 1/3 of the citizens in Brownsville on the wrong side of the fence…and it has holes in it because of the river.

Until Texans are involved in the solution…and until Obama is out of office…The Southern Border will continue to be unsecured because even when Texas spends it’s own money…Obama refuses to enforce detainment and deportation of illegals unless a show of enforcement benefits him politically. Currently it benefits Obama and the democrats to load up illegal demographics so that they vote illegally in targeted states for the upcoming congressional elections.

Then you have the issue of federal seizures of land…This is an old article but it describes some of the problems and any perusal of regional media has other stories like this on problems with the wall.

“As the U.S. Department of Homeland Security marches down the Texas border serving condemnation lawsuits to frightened landowners, Brownsville resident Eloisa Tamez, 72, has one simple question. She would like to know why her land is being targeted for destruction by a border wall, while a nearby golf course and resort remain untouched.

Tamez, a nursing director at the University of Texas at Brownsville, is one of the last of the Spanish land grant heirs in Cameron County. Her ancestors once owned 12,000 acres. In the 1930s, the federal government took more than half of her inherited land, without paying a cent, to build flood levees.

Now Homeland Security wants to put an 18-foot steel and concrete wall through what remains…

While Garza and Tamez wait for answers, they say they are being asked to sacrifice something that can’t be replaced by money. They are giving up their land, their homes, their heritage, and the few remaining acres left to them that they hoped to pass on to their children and grandchildren.

“I am an old man. I have colon cancer, and I am 76 years old,” Garza says, resting against a tree in front of his home. “All I do is worry about whether they will take my home. My wife keeps asking me, ‘What are we going to do?’”

Besides these personal tragedies, Eagle Pass Mayor Foster says there is another tragedy in store for the American taxpayer. A 2006 congressional report estimates the cost of maintaining and building the fence could be as much as $49 billion over its expected 25-year life span.

“They are just going to push this problem on the next administration, and nobody is going to talk
about immigration reform, and that’s
the illness,” Foster says. “The wall is a Band-Aid on the problem. And to blow $49 billion and not walk away with a secure border-that’s a travesty….”

http://www.texasobserver.org/2688-holes-in-the-wall/

The point I’m trying to make is that we can secure the southern Border using common sense combined with serious penalties applied to the countries that are demographic dumping.

We just can’t do that with a liberal Californication of the Immigration Reform Policy Debate and especially the Security of the Border.

workingclass artist on July 18, 2013 at 9:21 AM

libfreeordie on July 18, 2013 at 9:15 AM

Justice for Trayvon!

NotCoach on July 18, 2013 at 9:22 AM

Only 16% of GOP voters want the House to do nothing.

We. Are. The. 16. Percent!

http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/post/55715208108/baseball-fans-super-angry-hispanic-american-superstar

libfreeordie on July 18, 2013 at 9:23 AM

Another black against amnesty for George Zimmerman’s amigos.

sentinelrules on July 18, 2013 at 9:18 AM

Justice for Trayvon!

NotCoach on July 18, 2013 at 9:22 AM

Bait fail….

libfreeordie on July 18, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Perhaps we need a poll that outlines the full consequence of legalization – namely: more influx of illegals hoping to grab that next bout of amnesty (some history on previous amnesties need to mentioned on this score), lowering of wages, higher unemployment for citizens, higher costs and strains on welfare and entitlement services, prisons, etc.

Oh, and please let them know just effective previous toughening of the border has gone… what happened to that ‘dang‘ fence anyways?

Like most polls I’m certain they set out to get a certain result and through framing of the questions certainly got it.

Ukiah on July 18, 2013 at 9:27 AM

We. Are. The. 16. Percent!

http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/post/55715208108/baseball-fans-super-angry-hispanic-american-superstar

libfreeordie on July 18, 2013 at 9:23 AM

You do realize Marc Anthony is a United States citizen, correct? Or are you only judging based on skin color once again? I guess an old bigot can’t learn new tricks.

NotCoach on July 18, 2013 at 9:28 AM

So the majority of my freaking brain dead countrymen want some sort of socialist/communists utopia. I don’t get it and I give up. It’s way past trying to stop the fall. We are over the cliff and the only thing to do is hang on and enjoy the fall. I’m in favor of crowning BO king and just getting it over with. It really seems what everyone wants and drams of so why not let them have it. Bread lines here I come.

Dr. Frank Enstine on July 18, 2013 at 9:29 AM

Bait fail….

libfreeordie on July 18, 2013 at 9:25 AM

We got a nibble! Quick, throw some white Hispanic chum in the water!

NotCoach on July 18, 2013 at 9:29 AM

Why will increased low wage workers increase welfare burden. Because *all low wage work increases the welfare burden.* McDonald’s helpfully proves this fact by offering their employees a chart on how to survive on a McDonalds full time income. It includes the assumption that the person is going to pull in just as much as they pull in working full time at another job as well! Oh and it doesn’t include an allotment for heat. So for workers, already, low wage work means seeking out government assistance in some form or another. Downward pressure on wages will only increase the welfare burden. Hmm…considering that major employers like Walmart and McDonald’s employees don’t make enough to avoid seeking out welfare, maybe they shouldn’t oppose taxation that pays for those programs. That is, if they had a shred of decency.

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/202172/mcdonalds-suggested-budget-for-employees-shows-just-how-impossible-it-is-to-get-by-on-minimum-wage/

libfreeordie on July 18, 2013 at 9:32 AM

You do realize Marc Anthony is a United States citizen, correct? Or are you only judging based on skin color once again? I guess an old bigot can’t learn new tricks.

NotCoach on July 18, 2013 at 9:28 AM

And yet the idiots who posted those tweets STILL make those horrible statements….

libfreeordie on July 18, 2013 at 9:33 AM

During the Obamacare debate, didn’t pollsters usually just basically ask: “Do you support the health care bill?”

Yet all these immigration polls don’t just ask “Do you support or oppose the Senate immigration bill?” Instead, they give a long description that focuses on the things the bill’s supporters like to focus on.

Jon0815 on July 18, 2013 at 9:33 AM

And yet the idiots who posted those tweets STILL make those horrible statements….

libfreeordie on July 18, 2013 at 9:33 AM

Feel the post-racialism: Black Obama fans review ‘white girl’ Kelly Clarkson’s performance

sentinelrules on July 18, 2013 at 9:35 AM

And yet the idiots who posted those tweets STILL make those horrible statements….

libfreeordie on July 18, 2013 at 9:33 AM

What tweets? I don’t bother with the idiocracy…well, there’s you…

NotCoach on July 18, 2013 at 9:36 AM

What is now obvious is the fact that Boehner, Ryan, Cantor, and the rest of the Republican Establishment are the most gullible politicians on the planet.

These lunatics actually believe that, if they grant incremental amnesty to the illegal immigrants who broke into our sovereign nation, these lawbreakers will repay them by voting for RIINO Candidates in the Midterms and beyond.

Sure, they will. And, I actually resemble the late Paul Newman. Trust me.

kingsjester on July 18, 2013 at 9:40 AM

What tweets? I don’t bother with the idiocracy…well, there’s you…

NotCoach on July 18, 2013 at 9:36 AM

How did you follow the link and not see the tweets……..the denial is strong with this one.

libfreeordie on July 18, 2013 at 9:41 AM

A Big part of the problem…is representatives like this who think that they represent illegals in congress…because illegals illegally vote and keep them in office.

From NPR interview:

“RAY SUAREZ: Is the path to citizenship, some path to citizenship, a necessary precondition for this bill or a version of it to get your vote?

REP. RAUL GRIJALVA: My vote and I think a great number of Democrats.

The sentiment I’m giving you, Ray, about we don’t like this part, we don’t like that part is pretty prevalent, but the golden opportunity to do something about these families — and I represent 350 miles of border communities, Nogales, San Luis, Somerton, all those communities, and constantly every day dealing with those families, the deportations, the split families, children left in foster care because their parents are gone.

I mean, the human toll sometimes makes you makes you believe that that has to be the ultimate goal. And if that path isn’t there, then what are we settling for?

RAY SUAREZ: Earlier in the week, Congressman Trey Gowdy, your Republican colleague from South Carolina, was on this program.

REP. RAUL GRIJALVA: Right.

RAY SUAREZ: And he said the path to citizenship is not as important to him as securing the border right now, because unless you secure the border, you end up back in the same problem we’re in now, with newly legalized residents and more people coming over the border trying to achieve that status.

How do you reply to that?

REP. RAUL GRIJALVA: I think that within the Senate bill, there’s E-Verify that’s going to make a demand of employers that people must have the proper documentation. Otherwise, the penalties on those employers that hire unauthorized people is going to be huge.

Beyond that, you know, people are coming out of the shadows, declaring themselves, starting that process, family unification, much — 40 percent of the people that are right now in this country overstayed their work visas or overstayed their visas.

And as you seal this border and as you try to feel that the only way you can provide immigration reform is by zero-tolerance, secure border fences, double links, Border Patrol agents shoulder to shoulder, that’s naive thinking. That’s not the reality of the border.

And the reality of the economy of this nation and this world, the effect of poverty, there’s root causes here. And merely building the fences, symbolism, it’s pandering and good political rhetoric, but it is not going to fix or accommodate the issue that we’re dealing with here, which is the people that are here already and what do you do about them? He doesn’t answer that question.

And his idea of — his idea of keeping people here with a provisional legal status is something that’s so un-American, to have a second class of workers and people in this country with no access to citizenship and, more importantly, with a different set of rights and protections than the rest of us have.

I don’t think that’s American. I don’t think — we have never been about that. And I think he misses the point on that value. But securing the border, from somebody from a state that doesn’t have to deal with it on a daily basis, it’s not just overreach. I think it’s oversimplification.

RAY SUAREZ: So very, very quickly, before we go, Congressman, is there a compromise floating out there that will leave people like Congressman Gowdy satisfied about the border and its security and leave the members of your Progressive Caucus satisfied that you have done well by the people who are here struggling, trying to get legal status?

REP. RAUL GRIJALVA: Yes, I think a path has to be integral, redefining what you mean by security, so that we make it comprehensive, so that the issues that the gentleman from South Carolina is concerned about, we use — part of security has to be economic development.

Six million jobs in this country depend on direct trade import and export from Mexico, in the country. And so this is about jobs. This is about a vitality that we need in the borderlands in terms of an economy. We need to redefine that.

I think that’s the compromise, that you expand the definition of security from the simpleton stuff that we’re talking about right now, fences and boots, to the more complex and lasting solutions, which is the economic development, good ports of entries, increased trade, increased visitorship.

It’s a win-win for everybody. And if there was an opportunity to sit down and have a rational discussion without posturing, I think that’s a potentially good compromise.

RAY SUAREZ: Congressman Raul Grijalva of Arizona, thanks for joining us, sir.

REP. RAUL GRIJALVA: Thank you, Ray. Appreciate it…”

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec13/immigration_07-11.html

It’s crapola like this that is pushed on NPR daily…and a big part of their audience is liberals and moderates who are clueless and manipulated by the propaganda.

workingclass artist on July 18, 2013 at 9:42 AM

Feel the post-racialism: Black Obama fans review ‘white girl’ Kelly Clarkson’s performance

sentinelrules on July 18, 2013 at 9:35 AM

Girl….humble your wig. That link had 7 negative tweets and two extremely complimentary ones. Versus the dozens and dozens of hateful ones that emerged not only for Marc Anthony, but also for the young man who sang the national anthem at the Spurs game:

http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/post/52763976629/racist-basketball-fans-pissed-a-mexican-american-boy

And the Zimmerman apologists: http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/post/55400524628/post-racial-america-finds-george-zimmerman-not-guilty

libfreeordie on July 18, 2013 at 9:46 AM

How did you follow the link and not see the tweets……..the denial is strong with this one.

libfreeordie on July 18, 2013 at 9:41 AM

Probably because my Firefox browser blocks twitter. No matter. If it’s linked by you it is 100% certain to be disingenuous and/or misrepresented garbage. I’m not missing anything.

NotCoach on July 18, 2013 at 9:46 AM

How did you follow the link and not see the tweets……..the denial is strong with this one.

libfreeordie on July 18, 2013 at 9:41 AM

Did you miss my 9:35 AM post of blacks going after Kelly Clarkson on MLK Day?

sentinelrules on July 18, 2013 at 9:46 AM

That link had 7 negative tweets and two extremely complimentary ones.

libfreeordie on July 18, 2013 at 9:46 AM

That’s because Twitchy only highlighted 9 of them. If it would highlight all the racist black tweets, it would probably overload their sever.

‘If Zimmerman Get Off, Ima Go Kill a White Boy’: Trayvon Martin Supporters Make Shocking Threats Ahead of Verdict.

sentinelrules on July 18, 2013 at 9:50 AM

Did you miss my 9:35 AM post of blacks going after Kelly Clarkson on MLK Day?

sentinelrules on July 18, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Clearly not. Did you see how, if that’s the best you can do, this isn’t even close to a fair fight?

libfreeordie on July 18, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Clearly not. Did you see how, if that’s the best you can do, this isn’t even close to a fair fight?

libfreeordie on July 18, 2013 at 9:51 AM


IT BEGINS… Black Mob Beats White Journalist in Oakland Over Zimmerman Verdict (Video)

I Win.

sentinelrules on July 18, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Confused? You shouldn’t be. This is the argument of supply side economics. As immigration places even more downward pressure on wages corporate profits will continue to rise (as they have been steadily since Obama got in office). This will all somehow help the rest of us economically as those increased profit margins are passed on to workers with increased pay (wait that doesn’t happen) workers pension programs (wait those don’t exist) investment in new innovators (nope Wall Street isn’t into that either). But, you know, it will trickle down to us somehow I guess….

libfreeordie on July 18, 2013 at 9:15 AM

It’s your side of the aisle pushing for this – don’t try and blame this on conservatism. As far as “trickle-down” – it does work, as has been proven many times. When wealth is created, everyone gains. Just because some people don’t gain as much as other people doesn’t mean it doesn’t work. What doesn’t work, and has been proven over and over and over again, is wealth redistribution, which you favor.

Monkeytoe on July 18, 2013 at 9:53 AM

libfreeordie on July 18, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Still hijacking threads with your nattering…hey nabob?

and defending a Teenage Profilin’ Gay Panicking Ragin’ Gay Basher

Stay focused perfersser…The local abortion rally needs more glitter and jars of fluids…

workingclass artist on July 18, 2013 at 9:54 AM

Half of me wants to scream into the pig-ignorant face of every uninformed ass who thinks ‘legalizing’ millions of criminals is ‘OK with them;’ the other half wants to scream at the swinish ‘Fourth Estate’ whose liberal machinations help to foster this ignorance.

Looking forward to Levin’s new book. Goodness knows the solution isn’t to be found in the likes of our current Republican leadership.

And not to sound like a petulant teen, but this just sucks. This is such a beautiful country, with so much possibility, if only we would abide by our Constitution as originally envisioned.

CaptFlood on July 18, 2013 at 10:00 AM

Gov. of Texas…not impressed…

“Texas governor Rick Perry, who this week fueled speculation about his presidential ambitions by announcing he will not seek a fourth term as governor, criticized the Senate’s immigration bill and scoffed at the suggestion that any single piece of legislation will disproportionately impact the GOP’s prospects in the 2016 election.

“The idea that there’s one piece of legislation that’s gonna decide whether an individual is gonna get to the White House is a little bit out of the realm of reality,” Perry said Sunday.

He went on to criticize the Gang of Eight’s legislation for its failure to adequately secure the border, which he argued is a prerequisite for immigration reform rather than a feature of it.

“I don’t think the will is in Washington, D.C., to secure the border. So, until that happens, I’m not sure the American people are going to trust Washington to come up with some immigration bill until they secure the border.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/353363/rick-perry-slams-senate-immigration-bill-eliana-johnson

workingclass artist on July 18, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Just don’t believe it. If it’s true, America as it was intended to be is over.

CatoRenasci on July 18, 2013 at 10:15 AM

In other news…this is funny as hell…

@GregAbbott_TX Owns @BGTX
(Greg Abbott is running for governor in Texas and he just pawned Battle Ground Texas…in spanish)

“BG Texas asks Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott online, “How do you intend to communicate with the Latino community?”

As if no Hispanics in Texas speak any English. Why does Battleground Texas assume that?

Abbott answers them in Spanish: “My wife is Latina and I will be able to communicate myself with all of the voters.”

In gamer parlance, that is known as pwnage.

This is how Battleground Texas intends to operate here. They won’t focus on policy because the Obama policies they espouse are deeply unpopular. So they will launch little gotchas. This time, they got got. And they will keep getting got if they insist on messing with the Texas Republicans…”

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/07/17/gregabbott_tx-owns-bgtx/

workingclass artist on July 18, 2013 at 10:22 AM

I don’t recognize this country anymore.

Capitalist Infidel on July 18, 2013 at 10:22 AM

“Bad news for the do nothing crowd.”

Except that none of the questions were:
Would you support your Government enforcing existing law, including deporting those that have overstayed their visas and securing the border?”

oldroy on July 18, 2013 at 10:23 AM

Always the RINO and shill for amnesty.

Like Ed, the media only presents a positive spin on amnesty. There’s little, if anything, is said about:
- Amnesty can bring 40 – 60 million illiterate, uneducated, unskilled aliens who don’t speak English (illegals and family reunification) over the next 20 years.
- The Mexican population is 115 million; assuming 75% of the illegals are from Mexico, approximately 40% of Mexico’s population could be relocated here in 20 years.
- The costs over an extended period to time (Heritage estimates $6 trillion).
- The demographics of Hispanics in the U.S. (53% illegitimacy rate, 2.5 times more likely to have abortions than white women, 34.9% of the federal prison population is Hispanic. This shatters the myth of Hispanic family values

Anyone who honestly believes that adding 40 – 60 million illiterate aliens over the next 20 years will benefit the United States is fooling himself/herself.

bw222 on July 18, 2013 at 10:26 AM

The questions in these polls are not in depth enough to really give us any information. I don’t think the House should do anything right now, not until the Senate is out of Harry Reid’s hands. That doesn’t mean I don’t think they should do anything ever.

It’s a complex issue and what we’re talking about is another one of Obama’s 1000+ page, “comprehensive”, behemoths, something that most people don’t understand what all is entailed. So, it’s not good enough to ask people if they believe “a pathway to citizenship” is in order. Under the right circumstances, any number of people might say ‘yes’. Heck, I might say ‘yes’ myself if we were talking about a process which had rejected all those who had been in ANY trouble with the law or who had taken ANY welfare money into their homes, and one which put an END to Chain Migration.

Simplistic poll questions don’t get the job done. They tell us nothing.

Murf76 on July 18, 2013 at 10:27 AM

Open the bidding on the fence and drive that price way down. Any government estimate is a farce, as are the scam artists they would hire to build it. Do they ever ask “Do you support spending $100 million on the bitter and racist first lady’s vacation?”

Flange on July 18, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Allow the fence to be built WITHOUT requiring greedy-union labor. That will cut the cost in half and it will be better quality work.

slickwillie2001 on July 18, 2013 at 10:29 AM

Secure the border FIRST. No discussions on anything else until the border is sealed tight.

Jack_Burton on July 18, 2013 at 10:31 AM

Neither poll asks the truly pertinent question about border security, though, which is that of trust. If the White House chooses not to enforce the law it demanded from Congress — ObamaCare and its mandates — then how can we trust them to enforce a border-security law, no matter how tough, that they will clearly despise?

That’s the whole problem, we can’t and they won’t. We have a president that stole the last presidential election and who is fine with being a dictator for his second term.

Do nothing. The status quo is a magnitude better than anything that will get through Congress and be selectively enforced by the REB.

slickwillie2001 on July 18, 2013 at 10:33 AM

My guess is support for a “path to citizenship” would decline significantly if that was included in the question, rather than just the feel-good notion of “do you want to do nice things for other people or are you a jerk” question.

Monkeytoe on July 18, 2013 at 8:54 AM

Unfortunately, that’s how this legislation will be passed. Sponsors will ask “Are you compassionate or a jerk?”

freedomfirst on July 18, 2013 at 11:10 AM

Bad news for the do-nothing protect the land and her laws crowd.

What an insult you all are to legal Americans, including legal immigrants. YOU are traitors of the land.

Ronald Reagan signed his amnesty and lamented to his dying sane days that the left never respect their words/signatures, thus do nothing on borders. They get what they want and the land becomes a third world potentate run latrine. Even Jimmy Carter said to Spiegel that the US is “no longer a democracy”. He used it in ref. to the NSA but the illegal immigration is part of it.

Schadenfreude on July 18, 2013 at 11:15 AM

Call me crazy, but isn’t there already a path? My grandparents took it. Screw the freeloaders looking for a shortcut.

reaganaut on July 18, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Who needs to worry about terrorists and traitors from the outside. You are within, for shame.

Schadenfreude on July 18, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Bad news for the do-nothing crowd.

Do nothing doesn’t mean do nothing, status quo boy. It means to enforce current laws regarding immigration into America rather than to appease law breakers…

Gohawgs on July 18, 2013 at 11:20 AM

GOP, go to Hades. Pass this think and Pelosi will be the speaker in 2015. YOU have not seen wrath in all your lives.

There is NO way in Hell that any sane conservative will ever vote for you again, not after all the insults of the last few years. Rubio was the last straw.

You all, those in here too, with Rubio your ‘leader’, go to Hades. You are on your own. May you be destroyed as a party because you have NO spines, no principles and you are for the lawlessness of the land. YOU deserve it all. May she become the same latrine the rest of the world is.

Schadenfreude on July 18, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Do nothing doesn’t mean do nothing, status quo boy. It means to enforce current laws regarding immigration into America rather than to appease law breakers…

Gohawgs on July 18, 2013 at 11:20 AM

What an insult the Rs are. I hate them more thant he communists. They are the squishes who enable the lawless thugs, for business and their own glory/power, shameless hacks, YOU.

Schadenfreude on July 18, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Schadenfreude on July 18, 2013 at 11:15 AM

Yep. As kj likes to call them, “vichy republicans”…

Gohawgs on July 18, 2013 at 11:22 AM

I don’t recognize this country anymore.

Capitalist Infidel on July 18, 2013 at 10:22 AM

The West is dead. The only thing left is fixing the funeral date.

The Rs killed it more than the commies. They enabled the thugs and goons, insulting the rest of us. Look around, right here in the house, shameful!!!

Schadenfreude on July 18, 2013 at 11:23 AM

obama’care’ and illegal immigration amnesty will finish you off.

May it be so!

Schadenfreude on July 18, 2013 at 11:25 AM

The R/Ds hate the US American workers, skilled and unskilled.

The bill will scroom the minorities the most.

Your masters, incl. in this house, hate you, passionately and in your faces. Wake up.

Schadenfreude on July 18, 2013 at 11:27 AM

You can ADD all the ‘border security’ provisions you want. King Barry just won’t enforce them.

KILL IT!

GarandFan on July 18, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Why are we asking average citizens to vote on complex bills that they haven’t read? This is completely retarded and a terrible way to govern. We elected representatives; let them represent. This is just media pressure, and needs to be resisted.

alwaysfiredup on July 18, 2013 at 12:34 PM

They should only be polling registered voters not adults.

Rose on July 18, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Of course, the cost is high, but border security is one of the actual and explicit duties of the federal government.

Interior enforcement even more so. And all these idiots talk about is denying interior enforcement … and rendering the concept of interior enforcement moot for the future, too (as they all cry like babies at the thought of deporting any of these poor, little illegals who invaded our sovereign territory).

Border security without interior enforcement is a ridiculous joke.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 18, 2013 at 12:45 PM

For those who want the House to run out the clock, though, doing nothing is hardly popular, not even among Republicans. Only 16% of GOP voters want the House to do nothing. Oddly, the highest percentage (22%) for the do-nothing option come from African-Americans … and Democrats. The only option less popular than doing nothing is stripping the path to citizenship from any reform, which peaks at 16% among Republicans.

nothing like missing the forest for the trees.

In its poll from Apr. 4-7, Gallup surveyed 1,005 adults by telephone and asked, “What do you think is the most important problem facing the country today?”

Respondents answered in the following order:

Economy in general 24%

Unemployment/Jobs 18%

Dissatisfaction with Government 16%

Federal budget deficit/Federal debt 11%

Healthcare 6%

Ethical/Moral/Family decline 5%

Immigration/Illegal aliens 4%

Education 4%

Guns/Gun control 4%

Situation with North Korea 4%

Lack of Money 3%

Welfare 2%

Lack of respect for each other 2%

Poverty/Hunger/Homelessness 2%

Foreign aid/Focus overseas 2%

Taxes 2%

- See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gallup-only-4-americans-think-gun-control-important-problem#sthash.xWYqNqnj.dpuf

this is why the do nothing crowd still comes out on top.

sure when the issue comes up people have a opinion on it but at the end of the day no one but a small minority thinks immigration is important. the house simply has to pivot to something like the economy and amnesty is gone down the rabbit hole. this is why DC lives in a bubble and why the people in Dc are stupid and why congress has a 9% approval rating. NO one gives a crap about amnesty we are worried about jobs, increased food prices, increased fuel prices, etc.

the Dc elites deal with problems like gun control and amnesty when the rest of the country doesn’t care. It’s like watching nero fiddle while rome burns.

unseen on July 18, 2013 at 1:14 PM

IT’S AMNESTY…..

It’s the EMPTY MEXICO Act.

It’s the official proclamation that Mexico is our new slave provider like Africa was centuries ago.

It’s confirmation that Americans are too busy with the “hookup” culture to get married and have kids (declining birth rate) and the Ruling class knows we need people that will have lots of kids and lawn care and maids for their houses at the Hamptons.

It’s freebies supported by taxpayers for the new tens of millions of low paid welfare workers for American Big Business.

Both masks of the Progressive Party that runs American government want to show THEY can deliver the new economic slaves for Big Business and that will help line the pockets of the politicians and breed generational dependence on our Federal overlords.

…..And Eric Cantor wants to lead a parade of Progressives with their republican masks on to tell us that we need to “become America”?

They are….

Traitors that can’t defend our nations sovereign borders.

PappyD61 on July 18, 2013 at 1:16 PM

polls, polls, and damned polls – depends on the questions — especially those not asked!!!

How about this poll – ONLY one to offer attrition through enforcement as an option:

http://www.jmisys.com/immigrationmarches/zogby5.html

And those who support amnesty in any form are culpable for this situation: http://www.jmisys.com/calosha/

fred5678 on July 18, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Who is this “do nothing” crowd, and where can they be found?

Meanwhile,90% wanted more gun control, so I guess it’s time for second amendment to go away. Bad news for gun crazies, right Ed?

xblade on July 18, 2013 at 3:00 PM

“Less filling!”

“Tastes great!”

“Less filling!”

“Tastes great!”

Jaibones on July 18, 2013 at 3:02 PM

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