Rasmussen: Near-majority agrees with Zimmerman verdict, 48/34

posted at 2:01 pm on July 17, 2013 by Allahpundit

Significant, not only because it’s the first major poll of public opinion about the verdict but because Holder will think twice about bringing federal charges if he believes it’s a sure political loser for his boss.

We’ll need more polls before drawing hard conclusions but here’s data point number one:

Reactions to the jury decision in the shooting of Trayvon Martin vary sharply along racial lines.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 48% of American Adults agree with the jury’s verdict that Hispanic neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman is not guilty of murder in the shooting death of the black teenager. Thirty-four percent (34%) disagree with the Florida jury’s verdict. Eighteen percent (18%) are not sure.

I have the crosstabs in front of me but they’re reg-walled for subscribers only, so I’ll give you the broad outline without providing actual numbers. The white/black split on the verdict is what you’d expect, as is the fact that men are much more likely to agree with the outcome than women are. One big question mark is how Latinos feel about it; Rasmussen didn’t list them as a separate racial demographic in the poll, choosing to include everyone who’s neither white nor black in the “other” category, but “other” ended up agreeing with the verdict almost (but not quite) to the same extent as the public generally did. Politico marveled last night that not once during four separate interviews yesterday with Univision and Telemundo did Obama get a question about the Zimmerman verdict, even though the White House issued a statement about it on Sunday and the DOJ is supposedly seriously considering filing federal charges. Not one question. Said one TV executive: “It’s unbelievable that any journalist with access to the President this week wouldn’t ask the first African-American president about his reaction to the verdict.” Indeed it is, but it makes sense if you assume that it’s not so much an oversight as a deliberate omission. Spanish-language media and Obama are united in wanting comprehensive immigration reform; the whole point of the interviews was to give O a pipeline to Latino voters in order to put pressure on the GOP. If, as Rasmussen’s numbers suggest (but don’t prove), Latinos lean toward thinking that Zimmerman deserved to be acquitted, then both O and his partners at Univision and Telemundo would want to stay away from this subject lest it complicate the White House’s PR initiative.

Rasmussen also asked people what they thought of media coverage of the trial, but those results are hard to parse. Only a few people think it was “excellent,” but the spread among “good,” “fair,” and “poor” isn’t wide. And of course, “poor” can include people from both ends of the spectrum, those who think the coverage was unfair to Zimmerman and those who think it was, surreally, biased in his favor. There isn’t a wide racial gap here, in fact; the big gap, oddly, comes among men under 40 and women under 40. The former thought the coverage was quite good. The latter didn’t. Huh. Maybe that’s just a fluke from a small subsample.

Speaking of sample splits, read this. I wasn’t the only one, apparently, who thought juror B37 was surprisingly pro-Zimmerman in her interview with CNN.


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Eighteen percent ‘undecideds’ seems a little high, to me.

listens2glenn on July 17, 2013 at 2:05 PM

I was wondering when the polls would come out. Anger at the verdict seems confined to blacks, Vile Progs and the Chattering Classes. Of the three, the Chattering Classes seem the most outraged.

myiq2xu on July 17, 2013 at 2:07 PM

are they going to poll whether or not Martin was justified in leveling a beatdown to a guy he thought was a gay rapist??

questions…/

ted c on July 17, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Considering about 90% of them have repeatedly heard little else other than, and have accepted without question, the many lies and untruths and fictions the MSM is broadcasting and repeating over and over — such as that Zimmerman was ordered not to leave his car and he did anyway — this is somewhat encouraging. But still a disappointment.

farsighted on July 17, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Guess the Trayvon faction will have to stage more riots over raaaacist polls or something…

workingclass artist on July 17, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Liveenslavedthendie, hardest hit.

Resist We Much on July 17, 2013 at 2:08 PM

“It’s unbelievable that any journalist with access to the President this week wouldn’t ask the first African-American president about his reaction to the verdict.”

Shouldn’t that be White African-American president or mixed-race president who identifies himself as Black?

RadClown on July 17, 2013 at 2:08 PM

It will be illustrative to see if any of the other usual “polling” suspects do “polls” on this story. They may not even want to, because they are afraid their results will mirror the Rasmussen result, and that would be bad for business, AKA their Leftist Agenda.

Del Dolemonte on July 17, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Clearly, 48% of those polled are racist/

Thomas More on July 17, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Eighteen percent ‘undecideds’ seems a little high, to me.

I wonder how many are undecided because they disagree with the official narrative but don’t want to admit it because they are afraid of being accused of racism.

myiq2xu on July 17, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Count it!

Good Lt on July 17, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Del Dolemonte on July 17, 2013 at 2:09 PM

They won’t touch it. That would destroy the Progressive Propaganda that “the overwhelming majority of the countryis outraged over the verdict”.

kingsjester on July 17, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Indeed it is, but it makes sense if you assume that it’s not so much an oversight as a deliberate omission. Spanish-language media and Obama are united in wanting comprehensive immigration reform; the whole point of the interviews was to give O a pipeline to Latino voters in order to put pressure on the GOP. If, as Rasmussen’s numbers suggest (but don’t prove), Latinos lean toward thinking that Zimmerman deserved to be acquitted, then both O and his partners at Univision and Telemundo would want to stay away from this subject lest it complicate the White House’s PR initiative.

MSNBC Sets Out To Lynch A Hispanic Man…So Typically Progressive

Resist We Much on July 17, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Were White Hispanics eating Churros at Taco Bell polled??

ToddPA on July 17, 2013 at 2:12 PM

verbaluce to begin his circular argument, designed to de-rail the thread in 5…4…3…

kingsjester on July 17, 2013 at 2:12 PM

I wonder what the numbers would be if the same sample watched Rachel Jeantel explain to Piers Morgan that Zimmerman might be a gay rapist that might looking for Trayvon’s little brother?

oldroy on July 17, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Guess the Trayvon faction will have to stage more riots over raaaacist polls or something…

workingclass artist on July 17, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Which will only push more of the 18% into the 48% camp.

Resist We Much on July 17, 2013 at 2:12 PM

We think we won. The verdict effected one man.

The Left has activated millions of protesters, and future voters.

The Right has activated nobody. Our politicians have been silent. Our movement is dead.

faraway on July 17, 2013 at 2:13 PM

How many polled were government employees or State Run Media..?

d1carter on July 17, 2013 at 2:13 PM

They should poll only black people and ask if gay rapist should be beat at any chance you get.

oldroy on July 17, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Yep, the GOP has been very vocal in their support of American justice…LOL. Scared little rabbits.

d1carter on July 17, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Life by opinion poll.

What a great life.

Good Lt on July 17, 2013 at 2:15 PM

This is just me guessing, but I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of Americans are disgusted by not only the media’s race-baiting, but also how the entire Zimmerman clan(save for Robert who’s been ubiquitous on TV) is in hiding thanks to the nonstop nasty(and oftentimes misleading) coverage George has been receiving from the drive-bys. Plus it can’t be helping the Justice for Trayvon crowd’s plight to be linked to the likes of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

Doughboy on July 17, 2013 at 2:16 PM

see ya’ll according to what Rachel told Morgan, Trayvon wasn’t Gay Bashin’ Zimmerman he was woop assin’ him…Zimmerman would know that and wouldn’t have over-reacted to havin his head whooped by concrete if he wasn’t an old school cracka and ignorant about the cultcha…

She can’t read cursive but she’s got a 3.0 ya’ll and on track to graduate high school by age 20.

*blech*

workingclass artist on July 17, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Near-majority agrees with Zimmerman verdict, 48/34

That’s nice but this no longer really is about the trial. This about an excuse for gangs of angry blacks attack whites and Hispanics.

This about the airing of grievances by blacks for percieved crimes against their race since the rat-eared mullato has been in office for going on five years and they still don’t have their free houses and gas and white people still have a place in society.

This is about a long hot summer and black gangs looking for any excuse to break things, steal stuff, and otherwise engage in the same kind of thuggery that Trayvon Martin was engaged in.

Happy Nomad on July 17, 2013 at 2:18 PM

All the jurors were in essence “pro Zimmerman” since they held he committed no crime. And the only reason is that the facts support not guilty. I think they all felt bad that someone died, but there was no crime.

Ta111 on July 17, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Thats because it was correct. Notice the number who don’t agree? Yep about the same % who didn’t like the SCOTUS striking down parts of the aff action in college admissions ruling recently. Haters gotta hate.

neyney on July 17, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Rasmussen: Near-majority agrees with Zimmerman verdict, 48/34

posted at 2:01 pm on July 17, 2013 by Allahpundit

What’s wrong with the rest?

freedomfirst on July 17, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Going by the huge number of comments I’ve read on various newspapers and blogs, the number of people who still believe that “Zimmerman was ordered by the police to stay in his car” is ridiculous.

Sharke on July 17, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Were White Hispanics eating Churros at Taco Bell polled??

ToddPA on July 17, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Only those with hispanic sounding surnames…the White Hispanic Jewish Catholics were left out of the poll…and they were eating at the deli.

Marco Rubio…unavailable for comment

workingclass artist on July 17, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Eighteen percent ‘undecideds’ seems a little high, to me.

listens2glenn on July 17, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Yep, Bradley-Wilder again. Those are the people that don’t approve of the REB’s performance, but still ‘approve of him personally’, or whatever.

slickwillie2001 on July 17, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Why do Holder et al keep this up? POWERLINE makes it clear what it’s all about:

One, liberals are used to being able to bully the rest of us, notwithstanding that they have always represented a minority, especially in matters that touch on race. I think they are upset that this time, their bullying failed. Two, for the Democrats, everything is about 2014. Their base represents a minority view of the Zimmerman case, but it is a passionate minority. As with gun control and various other issues, the Democrats don’t expect any practical results from politicizing the Zimmerman case, other than to drive turnout in next year’s election.

Drained Brain on July 17, 2013 at 2:21 PM

So as the Angela Corey whistleberry lawsuit and the NBC slander and CNN slander lawsuits go on, and people find out just a hint of the real truth, I wonder how those numbers will change.

oldroy on July 17, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Allah,

While I agree with you on most counts, I disagree with this causing Holder to give a second look. Time and again Holder has shown to act against common sense. This will probably be no different.

itsspideyman on July 17, 2013 at 2:23 PM

She can’t read cursive but she’s got a 3.0 ya’ll and on track to graduate high school by age 20.

workingclass artist on July 17, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Clearly being graded on a curve. Without a clue about just how much she is undermining the pro-street thug advocates. Zimmerman shouldn’t have shot the bastard for assaulting him because it was just a whoop-assin? He should have just let his attacker smack his head into the concrete?

If anything, all this discussion about Trayvon Martin’s beating people up for cultural reasons and homophobia only supports stronger stand-your-ground laws.

Happy Nomad on July 17, 2013 at 2:23 PM

That’s nice but this no longer really is about the trial. This about an excuse for gangs of angry blacks attack whites and Hispanics.

Happy Nomad on July 17, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Aaaand that is up 18% since Obammy was elected…of course it’s all the crackas fault cause we’re old school…

go figure…

workingclass artist on July 17, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Del Dolemonte on July 17, 2013 at 2:09 PM

They won’t touch it. That would destroy the Progressive Propaganda that “the overwhelming majority of the countryis outraged over the verdict”.

kingsjester on July 17, 2013 at 2:11 PM

As I noted on the other thread, they are all “media polls”; Rasmussen on the other hand is not.

They all use their “polls” to drive and mold public opinion, as witnessed by how they successfully drove Chimpy Bush’s job approval down from 90% into the 30′s.

But so far they’ve failed spectacularly with this case, as evidenced by the verdict.

Del Dolemonte on July 17, 2013 at 2:23 PM

They should only poll those who watched the trial. Then it would probably be 75% agreement. As an attorney, this was probably the weakest prosecution case around. Judge should have directed a verdict.

Ta111 on July 17, 2013 at 2:23 PM

“I wonder what the numbers would be if the same sample watched Rachel Jeantel explain to Piers Morgan that Zimmerman might be a gay rapist that might looking for Trayvon’s little brother?”

We’ll never know since the audience for MSNBC can be counted on both hands

philw1776 on July 17, 2013 at 2:23 PM

verbaluce to begin his circular argument, designed to de-rail the thread in 5…4…3…

kingsjester on July 17, 2013 at 2:12 PM

She/He faded out yesterday after the gay bashing revelation came out and we all posted about Martins prior problems. Have you all seen this?

http://thejacksonpress.org/?p=5088
However, there was ONE big issue. SRO Dunn never filed a criminal report, nor opened a criminal investigation, surrounding the stolen jewelry. Instead, and as a result of pressure from M-DSPD Chief Hurley to avoid criminal reports for black male students, Dunn wrote up the jewelry as “found items”, and transferred them, along with the burglary tool, to the Miami-Dade Police property room where they sat on a shelf unassigned to anyone for investigation

Martin should have been in jail. I don’t read special dispensation there for white male students. The bigoted order specifically protects “black male students.”

dogsoldier on July 17, 2013 at 2:24 PM

This is why Holder pivoted to destroying Stand Your Ground laws…

d1carter on July 17, 2013 at 2:24 PM

BTW there is a rumor going around that Martin’s autopsey report showed signs of liver damage from DXM. I got the report (PDF), it’s 21 pages, I read the whole thing ( it’s what I do ) and I don’t see any reference to liver damage at all.

dogsoldier on July 17, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Speaking of sample splits, read this. I wasn’t the only one, apparently, who thought juror B37 was surprisingly pro-Zimmerman in her interview with CNN.

Schadenfreude on July 17, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Suprisingly! Oh, my goodness! A juror who found Zimmerman not guilty seemed pro-Zimmerman! How shocking!

Of course, that’s because she believed Zimmerman and the defense’s case. Means nothing more than that. Except that she’s probably a closet Freudian racist, or something.

Which was kind of, sort of, in a round-a-bout indirect way implied by some of “the panel” on AC’s show when he aired the interview. She just could not understand and see things the way a black person, or someone of color, or someone with a different background would. And that was a problem with the entire jury. And that is another reason why they did not find an obviously guilty Zimmerman guilty, of something. Add that to the growing list of other reasons — overcharged, poor prosecution, mistakes the prosecution made, a “broken” system, poorly written laws, and so on and so forth.

I’m amazed some pundits on the right can’t see right through the usual BS and spin.

This is another bit of spin the left is using to muddy the water and fog up the truth.

She also said the jurors knew nothing about “Trayvon”, that the prosecution told them nothing about “Trayvon”, and that that was part of the problem in trying to understand what might have happened and how “Trayvon” might have felt (yes, she made a point of saying “Trayvon”). I wonder why. And whose fault is that?

Perhaps the MSM should begin exploring Trayvon’s past, so we can all learn more about the martyred St Trayvon. Why aren’t they doing that?

farsighted on July 17, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Schadenfreude on July 17, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Soory, that was a quote from AP, not Schad.

farsighted on July 17, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Zimmerman was ordered by the police to stay in his car” is ridiculous.

Sharke on July 17, 2013 at 2:20 PM

The only person who did things illegal that night was Trayvon Martin when #1 he trespassed on private property and #2 he assaulted George Zimmerman.

and#3 I think its entirely possible it was Trayvon who violated George’s civil rights when he brutally beat him because he thought he was gay.

gracie on July 17, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Martin should have been in jail. I don’t read special dispensation there for white male students. The bigoted order specifically protects “black male students.”

dogsoldier on July 17, 2013 at 2:24 PM

One of the things I’ve not yet heard much talk about is what may be a simple truth. Trayvon Martin may have been headed home “armed” with Skittles but that wouldn’t preclude staking out the neighborhood for future burglary activities. I don’t know the geography of Sanford to know if it would make sense for Martin to be in Zimmerman’s neighborhood but you can’t automatically assign only innocent motives to a guy suspended from his school for being in possession of pot, burglary tools, and stolen property.

Happy Nomad on July 17, 2013 at 2:31 PM

S

o as the Angela Corey whistleberry lawsuit and the NBC slander and CNN slander lawsuits go on, and people find out just a hint of the real truth, I wonder how those numbers will change.

oldroy on July 17, 2013 at 2:22 PM

As far as our media is concerned, these actions will be taking place in a vacuum. I do not expect to hear much on them.

Except for here at HA, of course.

Jabberwock on July 17, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Eighteen percent afraid of being called “racist”.

portlandon on July 17, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Aaaand that is up 18% since Obammy was elected…of course it’s all the crackas fault cause we’re old school…

go figure…

workingclass artist on July 17, 2013 at 2:23 PM

The Old School has better survivability odds than many in the ‘New School.’

Resist We Much on July 17, 2013 at 2:35 PM

dogsoldier on July 17, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Some of that jewelry was fairly high dollar,as I remember. Gold and silver rings, some gold/diamond earrings. I don’t know if it would have made the grand theft threshhold, but it wasn’t just a few dollars worth.

a capella on July 17, 2013 at 2:36 PM

The Old School has better survivability odds than many in the ‘New School.’

Resist We Much on July 17, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Agreed…Chicago stats would seem to confirm your conclusion.

But The New School doesn’t want to address that cause that would be mis-understandering the cultcha…

workingclass artist on July 17, 2013 at 2:37 PM

What’s wrong with the rest?

freedomfirst on July 17, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Lofo mofos, I’d guess.

Axeman on July 17, 2013 at 2:38 PM

So 48% and the 18% that couldn’t make up their minds just havent’ come around to realizing that if you are a suspected gay rapist you just need to take your beat-down like a gay rapist should.

oldroy on July 17, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Leftists, in the US and in Europe, choke, you fools, all of you.

Schadenfreude on July 17, 2013 at 2:39 PM

Poverty pimps and race hucksters, suffocate, to a tea.

Schadenfreude on July 17, 2013 at 2:39 PM

This is why Holder pivoted to destroying Stand Your Ground laws…

d1carter on July 17, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Because Holder can legislate new laws for the states just like Obama can decide not to enforce laws he doesn’t agree with…

workingclass artist on July 17, 2013 at 2:40 PM

If, as Rasmussen’s numbers suggest (but don’t prove), Latinos lean toward thinking that Zimmerman deserved to be acquitted, then both O and his partners at Univision and Telemundo would want to stay away from this subject lest it complicate the White House’s PR initiative.

One sentence from the Obama comms flack running the show on this would certainly be enough to embargo any Zimmerman trial question(s):

“The President is here today to talk to your viewers about his strong support for immediate amnesty comprehensive immigration reform and he firmly believes that this should be the topic of our discussion.’

Sacramento on July 17, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Reactions to the jury decision in the shooting of Trayvon Martin vary sharply along racial lines.

Yet, in OJ, no AG paroted like a fool in front of the nation, and no president didn’t either.

Schadenfreude on July 17, 2013 at 2:41 PM

She just could not understand and see things the way a black person, or someone of color, or someone with a different background would.

farsighted on July 17, 2013 at 2:29 PM

And that’s that gay would-be-rapist punks get a beatdown. And that’s the way it should be, and anybody (punks) who wants the normal rule of law to go against a young black thug needs a beatdown too.

Axeman on July 17, 2013 at 2:42 PM

So 48% and the 18% that couldn’t make up their minds just havent’ come around to realizing that if you are a suspected gay rapist you just need to take your beat-down like a gay rapist should.

oldroy on July 17, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Yeah…If they just quit speaking cursive they’d get with the cultcha and Y’know…Free Phones & Healthcare Ya’ll

workingclass artist on July 17, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Liveenslavedthendie, hardest hit.

Resist We Much on July 17, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Is out destroying the land which sustained his idiocy, based on hue alone.

Schadenfreude on July 17, 2013 at 2:42 PM

But The New School doesn’t want to address that cause that would be mis-understandering the cultcha…

workingclass artist on July 17, 2013 at 2:37 PM

‘Did you know that Negroes are 10 percent of the population of St. Louis and are responsible for 58 percent of its crimes? We’ve got to face that. And we have got to do something about our moral standards. We know there are many things wrong in the white world, but there are many things wrong in the black world too. We can’t keep blaming the white man. There are things we must do for ourselves.’

- Martin Luther King, Jr, 1961

MLK, Jr, was obviously a racist, who didn’t care about the ‘cultcha.’

PS: That would be ‘The New School doesn’t don’t want to address…’

Get with da cultcha, already!

:-)

Resist We Much on July 17, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Because Holder can legislate new laws for the states just like Obama can decide not to enforce laws he doesn’t agree with…

workingclass artist on July 17, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Well, they can do the normal liberal MO and that is “try” to change it and then throw a big stink about why the system is broken because they can’t change the things they think are broken.

Once they get to this point, if Holder starts going after states with whatever powers he does have, the libs will all parrot “He’s using what he has to fix a broken system”. It’s always okay for libs to use whatever power they have to effect the change they want. It’s never willful or conniving or underhanded–because–well they just don’t think it is.

Axeman on July 17, 2013 at 2:47 PM

But The New School doesn’t want to address that cause that would be mis-understandering the cultcha…

workingclass artist on July 17, 2013 at 2:37 PM

‘Did you know that N3groes are 10 percent of the population of St. Louis and are responsible for 58 percent of its crimes? We’ve got to face that. And we have got to do something about our moral standards. We know there are many things wrong in the white world, but there are many things wrong in the black world too. We can’t keep blaming the white man. There are things we must do for ourselves.’

- Martin Luther King, Jr, 1961

MLK, Jr, was obviously a racist, who didn’t care about the ‘cultcha.’

PS: That would be ‘The New School doesn’t don’t want to address…’

Get with da cultcha, already!

:-)

Resist We Much on July 17, 2013 at 2:47 PM

She also said the jurors knew nothing about “Trayvon”, that the prosecution told them nothing about “Trayvon”, and that that was part of the problem in trying to understand what might have happened and how “Trayvon” might have felt (yes, she made a point of saying “Trayvon”). I wonder why. And whose fault is that?

Perhaps the MSM should begin exploring Trayvon’s past, so we can all learn more about the martyred St Trayvon. Why aren’t they doing that?

farsighted on July 17, 2013 at 2:29 PM

She said in another interview that Trayvon was very accepting of her cause she’s got a serious underbite…and she’s gonna take care of that…after she gets her tonsils done and her manicure.

She’s educated ya’ll…she’s got a 3.0

And besides all us old school crackas are judgin’ her but she will triumph in the end…cause she’s new school…For Trayvon

workingclass artist on July 17, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Sweet – the # of Intelligent, non-racist, non-ageda-driven Americans still out-number ‘the alternative’/other end of the proverbial spectrum!

easyt65 on July 17, 2013 at 2:51 PM

But The New School doesn’t want to address that cause that would be mis-understandering the cultcha…

workingclass artist on July 17, 2013 at 2:37 PM

‘Did you know that N3groes are 10 percent of the population of St. Louis and are responsible for 58 percent of its crimes? We’ve got to face that. And we have got to do something about our moral standards. We know there are many things wrong in the white world, but there are many things wrong in the black world too. We can’t keep blaming the white man. There are things we must do for ourselves.’

– Martin Luther King, Jr, 1961

MLK, Jr, was obviously a racist, who didn’t care about the ‘cultcha.’

PS: That would be ‘The New School doesn’t don’t want to address…’

Get with da cultcha, already!

:-)

Resist We Much on July 17, 2013 at 2:47 PM

MLK got his holidaysical monument…and besides he’s an old school p*ssy christocentric peacenik 20th century dead guy who sold out to the crackas…We’re all into Malcom X socialengineerin now – New School

Get with Da Cultcha…Ya’ll

workingclass artist on July 17, 2013 at 2:53 PM

So 48% and the 18% that couldn’t make up their minds just havent’ come around to realizing that if you are a suspected gay rapist you just need to take your beat-down like a gay rapist should.

oldroy on July 17, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Well, we have to respect it if it’s part of the inner-city culture. So while it would be wrong for you to suspect that somebody is gay, suspect that a gay man would necessarily want to rape you or your little brother and assault somebody based on that delusion young black males, as part of the inner-city culture can do all that and even bounce their head against the pavement based on their conviction, because that’s their culture.

Also, it’s part of their culture to get high. So if they are more susceptible to the suggestion that this person following him is going to follow them home and rape their little brother, that too needs to be understood within the culture.

Axeman on July 17, 2013 at 2:54 PM

My mother said Sunday she cried when she heard about the verdict. I don’t think it was with joy.

I haven’t had chance to speak with her about it yet, and… I probably won’t. I don’t like to talk politics with my parents, who largely get their info from NBC et al. I’ve tried historically, but I love them, and am not going to sour our relationship with an unwinnable battle, so…

Meh.

Midas on July 17, 2013 at 2:56 PM

I wasn’t the only one, apparently, who thought juror B37 was surprisingly pro-Zimmerman in her interview with CNN.

BTW, an awful lot of the prosecution’s own witnesses seemed (surprisingly) pro-Zimmerman, under cross from O’Mara. Even some lib talking heads commented about it and were “surprised” that happened.

What does this say about the prosecution’s case?

farsighted on July 17, 2013 at 2:58 PM

I am somewhat gratified that despite the one sided news coverage and the completely biased treatment of Zimmerman both at the federal and state levels, there is still a +14% favorable rating of the verdict . But I am concerned that the race hustlers (which, alas, is nearly 100% of black leadership)are using the Zimmerman case as an excuse for the federal government to wield even more power-especially power detrimental to whites and beneficial to blacks. The time will come, I fear, when blacks can use whites as pinatas which they can batter and humiliate with impunity and any retaliation will be considered a “hate crime.”

MaiDee on July 17, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Sovereign no mo!

Schadenfreude on July 17, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Syrian Rebels are all for Justice for Trayvon…cause they’re New School and obviously oppressed by Old School Crackas or something…

breitbart has the pics.

workingclass artist on July 17, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Sweet – the # of Intelligent, non-racist, non-ageda-driven Americans still out-number ‘the alternative’/other end of the proverbial spectrum!

easyt65 on July 17, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Shorter version: Old School > New School

Resist We Much on July 17, 2013 at 3:04 PM

I wonder if the polls would have been the same if Trayvon had beat down a gay rapist that was black? Or is it harder to tell if a black person is a gay rapist, if that person is indeed a gay rapist? I guess I just don’t like it that Trayvon and Rachel Jeantel feel that all gays are rapists. But if that is part of new school, then we got to be educated.

oldroy on July 17, 2013 at 3:06 PM

I’m off to Taco Bell to eat some churros.

John the Libertarian on July 17, 2013 at 3:09 PM

not once during four separate interviews yesterday with Univision and Telemundo did Obama get a question about the Zimmerman verdict,

I’m still waiting for Tememudo to ask King Barry about Fast and Furious. Guess Mexican citizens, dying on Mexican soil because of weapons supplied by King Barry’s administration don’t count.

GarandFan on July 17, 2013 at 3:16 PM

We think we won. The verdict effected one man.

The Left has activated millions of protesters, and future voters.

The Right has activated nobody. Our politicians have been silent. Our movement is dead.

faraway on July 17, 2013 at 2:13 PM

And on our side, we are watching Worldstar Hip Hop on the streets, encouraged by the White House. Silent Majority.

Sekhmet on July 17, 2013 at 3:18 PM

I’m still waiting for Tememudo to ask King Barry about Fast and Furious. Guess Mexican citizens, dying on Mexican soil because of weapons supplied by King Barry’s administration don’t count.

GarandFan on July 17, 2013 at 3:16 PM

About a 0% chance as Telemundo is owned by NBC.

sentinelrules on July 17, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Taking something from RWM’s page:

Progressive callers to the Chris Plante radio show in Washington, D.C., … in recent days have effectively been arguing the following: If a white man follows a black man walking around the neighborhood, to observe what he is doing, the black man has the right to beat the white man to death. What would you expect him to do, some callers have even asked. If the white man resists, then he must be held criminally liable for any harm that results.

This is what happens when liberals combine their dissatisfaction with the status quo with their stream of consciousness, free-association, ex-keister arguments.

Axeman on July 17, 2013 at 3:19 PM

I wonder if the polls would have been the same if Trayvon had beat down a gay rapist that was black? Or is it harder to tell if a black person is a gay rapist, if that person is indeed a gay rapist? I guess I just don’t like it that Trayvon and Rachel Jeantel feel that all gays are rapists. But if that is part of new school, then we got to be educated.

oldroy on July 17, 2013 at 3:06 PM

No…see there are no Black Gays in the New School Cultcha…There’s some down lows…but they aren’t really Gay or anything, just down low.

Gay is a cracka thing…and cause they’re old school and crakas then of course they’re all rapists cause they introduced Aids & Crack to kill off the new school…so the new school gots to social engineer these greedy creepy ass crakas outta the way of a new color blind amerikkka…cause that’s the new school ya’ll.

workingclass artist on July 17, 2013 at 3:20 PM

That’s nice but this no longer really is about the trial. This about an excuse for gangs of angry blacks attack whites and Hispanics.

Yeah like here: http://gawker.com/soul-singer-attacked-on-stage-for-dedicating-song-to-tr-785398779

As for the poll results. Lets remember Rasmussen’s accuracy in the 2012 election (woeful). Lets also remember that no one is arguing that there isn’t a divide. Finally. Protests have been overwhelmingly peaceful, but if it makes you feel better to call them “riots” do you.

libfreeordie on July 17, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Im an African American and I cant say I disagree with the results of the criminal trial. I dont think it was second degree murder, maybe not even manslaughter. However I do think there will be a civil case and Mr. Zimmerman will lose that.

When you boil this case down to its very simplest levels the fact remains that had Zimmerman never gotten out of his car, or if he identified himself as a concerned citizen none of this may have never happened.

Even at my age now if Im walking down the street and I notice someone following me, then I like most people would become alert and wonder why. Especially if Im doing nothing wrong. Now at this point I feel threatened and I would either run or turn around and confront the person following me.

Now what happened after the conforation is up for debate but Geroge Zimmerman lived so his story is the only one we have to go off. Once the fight started I do agree Zimmerman had a right to protect his self but legally Im still confused as to where one gains the right to protect hiself and one loses it.

For example, if you walk up to me on a street and punch me in my face and we start fighting and I end up on top of you and punching you, are you then allowed to pull a gun out and shoot me and claim self defense even if you staretd the fight? Thats where Im confused.

Sadly, Zimmermans life will never be the same and even worse the Martin family lost a Son. Bad all the way around. I dont think any more criminal charges should be filled against Zimmerman but I do think Mr. Martins family should bring a civil suit to keep Zimmerman from profiting off of the telling of his side of the store as well as their sons death.

My two cents.

Politricks on July 17, 2013 at 3:30 PM

However I do think there will be a civil case and Mr. Zimmerman will lose that.

Politricks on July 17, 2013 at 3:30 PM

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.

(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.

(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).

Resist We Much on July 17, 2013 at 3:37 PM

For example, if you walk up to me on a street and punch me in my face and we start fighting and I end up on top of you and punching you, are you then allowed to pull a gun out and shoot me and claim self defense even if you staretd the fight? Thats where Im confused.

Politricks on July 17, 2013 at 3:30 PM

If you end up on top, landing blows to vital organs, and the other person has a reasonable fear of being knocked unconscious with a gun in his waistband he then could not stop you from using, he is now in fear for his life.

Sekhmet on July 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM

For example, if you walk up to me on a street and punch me in my face and we start fighting and I end up on top of you and punching you, are you then allowed to pull a gun out and shoot me and claim self defense even if you staretd the fight? Thats where Im confused.

Politricks on July 17, 2013 at 3:30 PM

If you end up on top, landing blows to vital organs, and the other person has a reasonable fear of being knocked unconscious with a gun in his waistband he then could not stop you from using, he is now in fear for his life.

Sekhmet on July 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Sekhmet, so you honestly believe that’s how self defense law should work? People who start fights with guns, who lose the fight should be able to kill with impunity? The person who is attacked has to make sure to respond in such a measured way that they do not hit any vital organs? That’s the society you want?

libfreeordie on July 17, 2013 at 3:42 PM

As for the poll results. Lets remember Rasmussen’s accuracy in the 2012 election (woeful).

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Resist We Much on July 17, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Aaaand that is up 18% since Obammy was elected…of course it’s all the crackas fault cause we’re old school…

go figure…

workingclass artist

If we would just stay in our cars, black folks would have no reason to attack us.

xblade on July 17, 2013 at 3:44 PM

‘African-Americans benefit from Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” self-defense law at a rate far out of proportion to their presence in the state’s population, despite an assertion by Attorney General Eric Holder that repealing “Stand Your Ground” would help African-Americans. But approximately one third of Florida “Stand Your Ground” claims in fatal cases have been made by black defendants, and they have used the defense successfully 55 percent of the time, at the same rate as the population at large and at a higher rate than white defendants, according to a Daily Caller analysis of a database maintained by the Tampa Bay Times. Additionally, the majority of victims in Florida “Stand Your Ground” cases have been white.

African-Americans used “Stand Your Ground” defenses at nearly twice the rate of their presence in the Florida population, which was listed at 16.6 percent in 2012.

Eric Holder Honecker And His New Stasi

Resist We Much on July 17, 2013 at 3:44 PM

When you boil this case down to its very simplest levels the fact remains that had Zimmerman never gotten out of his car, or if he identified himself as a concerned citizen none of this may have never happened.

If Emmett Till never flirted with a white woman, he would still be alive. Happy?

For example, if you walk up to me on a street and punch me in my face and we start fighting and I end up on top of you and punching you, are you then allowed to pull a gun out and shoot me and claim self defense even if you staretd the fight? Thats where Im confused.

Are you having your head smashed into the concrete sidewalk 5-6 times?

Oh, and there is no forensic evidence that Zimmerman threw the first punch.

After the initial encounter, it took up to four minutes for Trayvon to stalk and attack Zimmerman.

sentinelrules on July 17, 2013 at 3:44 PM

People who start fights with guns, who lose the fight should be able to kill with impunity? The person who is attacked has to make sure to respond in such a measured way that they do not hit any vital organs? That’s the society you want?

libfreeordie on July 17, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Start fights?

So, if a black bum is hassling me for money, I can start smashing his head into concrete?

What society are you from?

sentinelrules on July 17, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Sekhmet, so you honestly believe that’s how self defense law should work? People who start fights with guns, who lose the fight should be able to kill with impunity? The person who is attacked has to make sure to respond in such a measured way that they do not hit any vital organs? That’s the society you want?

libfreeordie on July 17, 2013 at 3:42 PM

George Zimmerman did not start the fight.

Trayvon Martin did.

And, no, the person, who is attacked, does NOT have to make sure that he doesn’t ‘hit any vital organs.’

And, YES, that IS the society I want.

I LEFT the type of society that YOU want, which criminalised most self-defence.

Resist We Much on July 17, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Politricks on July 17, 2013 at 3:30 PM

What is the ‘civil rights’ violation that Zimmerman is guilty of? If you can answer that you will have just done something the FBI could not do in its extensive investigation into just that question.

You said:
“When you boil this case down to its very simplest levels the fact remains that had Zimmerman never gotten out of his car, or if he identified himself as a concerned citizen none of this may have never happened.”

Not to make light of this situation, but there is an old saying that goes like this: “If ‘IF’s and ‘But’s were candy and nuts, everyday would be Christmas’. By this, I mean:
1) If Trayvon had not decided to walk through that neighborhood on the way back home…

2) If Trayvon had not acted suspicious and run from Zimmerman, who was only trying to protect his neighborhood – which Martin had no way of knowing…

3) If Zimmerman had not gotten out of his car…

4) If Martin had just gone home during the 4 minutes he had after he lost Zimmerman…

5) If Martin had not made the decision to confront Zimmerman…

6) If Martin had not decided to ‘deliver an @$$-whoopin on Zimmerman to teach him a lesson’, as his girlfriend just recently said he did on the Pierce Morgan show…

What this case REALLY boils down to is a chain of bad decisions on both sides led to Zimmerman defending himself from an attack and a Jury delivering the legally correct decision…and most of all a tragic ending to a life that should never have been lost.

or the record, despite Holder and Sharpton’s attack on the ‘Stand Your Ground’ Law, Zimmerman’s defense team NEVER USED THAT DEFENSE – it had NOTHING to do with this case. This law, does, however, provide complete protection from any ciuvil law suits should they be filed. The defense team has already declared it wil invoke the ‘Stand Your Ground’ law if any civil law suits are filed against Zimmerman…which means a cicil law suit at this point doesn’t stand much of a chance.

easyt65 on July 17, 2013 at 3:47 PM

After the initial encounter, it took up to four minutes for Trayvon to stalk and attack Zimmerman.

sentinelrules on July 17, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Enough time to text and talk to Rachel Jeantel about Zimmerman being a gay rapist?

oldroy on July 17, 2013 at 3:48 PM

If Trayvon had been at least accepting of the Gay Rapist lifestyle, or even “into it”, things might have turned out better.

oldroy on July 17, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Some of that jewelry was fairly high dollar,as I remember. Gold and silver rings, some gold/diamond earrings. I don’t know if it would have made the grand theft threshhold, but it wasn’t just a few dollars worth.

a capella

Ya’ll know that baby didn’t steal that stuff. His “friend” gave it to him.

xblade on July 17, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Sekhmet, so you honestly believe that’s how self defense law should work? People who start fights with guns, who lose the fight should be able to kill with impunity? The person who is attacked has to make sure to respond in such a measured way that they do not hit any vital organs? That’s the society you want?

libfreeordie on July 17, 2013 at 3:42 PM

This is a street fight, not a gentlemanly duel. If the guy with the gun *wanted* to kill the other guy, all he had to do was pull the gun and shoot. The fisticuffs may have been an attempt to resolve the problem less violently, but once the guy with the gun got in over his head with the fisticuffs, he may have feared losing control of the gun to a guy already willing to pound him into unconsciousness.

Sekhmet on July 17, 2013 at 3:51 PM

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