House votes to delay individual Obamacare mandate, with the help of 22 Democrats

posted at 8:41 pm on July 17, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

President Obama was none too happy about action in the House today, tweeting from @barackobama, “Instead of reforming #immigration, the House today is trying to keep millions of Americans from getting better health care at a lower cost.”

His Twitter account later reiterated the sentiment. He was referring to a vote in the House to delay the individual mandate in Obamacare just as President Obama delayed the employer mandate last week. The Republican Party’s sympathetic and decidedly populist pitch— employers have a lobby to assure them a waiver of a mandate, and the little guy who’s arguably more vulnerable shouldn’t be left out to dry. The House also voted to codify into law Obama’s previously announced employer mandate delay. The difference between the delays is the GOP-led House is using the generally recognized Constitutional tool of passed legislation to effect change instead of the less orthodox Obama method of executive caprice.

Both bills passed with support from dozens of Democrats despite a veto threat from the White House— 35 crossed over for the employer mandate and 22 for the individual mandate. Brian Faughnan and BaseballCrank put it succinctly:

By the president’s own standard, he kept many Americans from “getting better health care at a lower cost” just last week. By Sec. Kathleen Sebelius’ standard, dozens of Democrats are pretty much Bull Connor today, or something. As is always the case with the Obamacare double standard, the president and the law’s supporters believe they are in the moral right delaying his signature bill simply because they’re doing it for the right reasons. Call it the “Bachelorette” standard for executive authority.

As Guy Benson points out, Republicans remain on safe ground with this push. Two recent polls show a majority of Americans want the individual mandate delayed and a whopping 12 percent support it going into effect in 2014, as scheduled.

If you put that through the poll-to-righteous-legislation translator the Democrats used for gun control, the House is well within its rights to lambaste an intransigent Senate for ignoring the will of 88 percent of the American people on an issue of great importance. Furthermore, since bipartisanship is the other measure of legislative worth after public support, then these two votes are far more worthy than the original vote to pass Obamacare.

But that’s nothing new. The quest for repeal has consistently been far more bipartisan than the bill’s original passage. As I wrote in my very first HotAir post in 2012:

Today marks the 33rd vote the Republican-led Congress has taken to repeal all or part of ObamaCare. Many media outlets are using the stat du jour as sort of de facto proof of repeal’s futility. Look at these silly, extremist Republicans, tilting at government-subsidized windmills 33 times!

The fact is this is only the second vote on total repeal, the first one coming in January of 2011 after Americans elected a wave of 63 new Republicans to, you know, repeal ObamaCare. Both votes for full repeal, in 2011 and 2012, were more bipartisan than the vote to pass ObamaCare, with three and five Democrats crossing over to the Republican side, respectively. And, I know we all love when we can work together, across the aisle, to get things undone. Beyond that, many of the votes on the Washington Post’s list feature far more Democratic defectors to the anti-ObamaCare side than the other way around.

The figure 33, of course, includes all sorts of bills that were only tangentially about ObamaCare repeal, or tweaked small parts of the bill, often with Democratic endorsement and votes. It includes several bills passed with hard-fought compromise later signed by Obama, like the debt-ceiling deal, and other bills that accomplished Obama’s legislative goals, such as the payroll tax cut extension bill.

So, are the House’s machinations futile and extreme?

There’s already been bipartisan cooperation in repealing large parts of the health care law in the House— the 1099 reporting requirement and the CLASS Act.

The House is using the proper legislative process to do exactly what the White House has already unilaterally declared, and then extending Obama’s logic to exempt regular Americans, not just those with lobbies. The public and even parts of the president’s party are with them.

Now, onto requiring verification before subsidization. Don’t look now, but the Urban Institute says 96 percent of young people will qualify for subsidies in Obamacare— one of the keys to selling it to the population that’s supposed to spend a bunch of money to prop up the older and the sicker. I bet we can get it to 100 percent without any fraud control!


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Wooo Hooo!

Oh Wait….

Electrongod on July 17, 2013 at 8:43 PM

The House is just givin’ some…

whoop-aaaaasssss.

Electrongod on July 17, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Delay nothing. Let the hits start coming before the election so the Dems have to own it. Hiding the truth from the American people helps only the Democrats.

I guess the Pubs really don’t want to keep the House and win the Senate, do they?

Liam on July 17, 2013 at 8:44 PM

ROLL CALL:
==========

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/roll363.xml

FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 363
(Republicans in roman; Democrats in italic; Independents underlined)

H R 2668 YEA-AND-NAY 17-Jul-2013 6:58 PM
QUESTION: On Passage
BILL TITLE: Fairness for American Families Act

—- YEAS 251 —

—- NAYS 174 —

canopfor on July 17, 2013 at 8:04 PM

canopfor on July 17, 2013 at 8:45 PM

****ClusterObamaCareFark *****************!!

canopfor on July 17, 2013 at 8:47 PM

“35 Democrats defy White House by agreeing with President Obama.”

Obama is just trying to fix things…
Why can’t all of you understand….

/

Electrongod on July 17, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Why give him cover, this is a train wreck, let it wreck. Why delay it.

phatfawzi on July 17, 2013 at 8:49 PM

This is the best of both worlds. R’s now can campaign that they passed legislation to help the little guy, that obama will refuse to sign and the law will go forward and crush these folks with higher premiums and fewer jobs.

Ta111 on July 17, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Maybe’s the passing of HopeyCare should of been delayed voting on,
for another 100 years,….

…jus say’n!!

canopfor on July 17, 2013 at 8:52 PM

****ClusterObamaCareFark *****************!!

canopfor on July 17, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Since I have learnt’ that,
Cr@cka’ means Person of Authority…
And N!gga’ means “Dude”…

I should be OK with sayin’ something about this Obama-Care….

[got lost in Moderation the first time...]

Electrongod on July 17, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Don’t look now, but the Urban Institute says 96 percent of young people will qualify for subsidies in Obamacare

So mommy and daddy and grammas take care of them until they are 26,
then big momma and big daddy take over ?

burrata on July 17, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Delay nothing. Let the hits start coming before the election so the Dems have to own it. Hiding the truth from the American people helps only the Democrats.

Liam on July 17, 2013 at 8:44 PM

No, Obamacare is imploding because it was bad legislation. Delaying it just creates more chaos. The rat-eared coward needs the individual mandate now so that he can get a bunch of people enrolled so that any repeal would be “taking away” healthcare from Americans. It is far better to add a year where the Demonrats have to pretend that everything is going according to plan.

Happy Nomad on July 17, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Ried say dat make him feel creep.

wolly4321 on July 17, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Now, onto requiring verification before subsidization. Don’t look now, but the Urban Institute says 96 percent of young people will qualify for subsidies in Obamacare— one of the keys to selling it to the population that’s supposed to spend a bunch of money to prop up the older and the sicker.

 
Just so I’m following, the insured and taxpayers (vs tax filers) are going to be spending more money supporting older people, sicker people, and folks who don’t anticipate/plan/spend responsibly?
 
So it’s just like before except more expensive and with government overhead now, right?

rogerb on July 17, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Gravity

Bmore on July 17, 2013 at 9:00 PM

House votes to delay individual Obamacare mandate, with the help of 22 Democrats

…and?

KOOLAID2 on July 17, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Ried won’t touch the individual mandate delay. It’ll never reach the floor.

No way he let’s it get voted on.

wolly4321 on July 17, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Ried say dat make him feel creep.

wolly4321 on July 17, 2013 at 8:58 PM

I say you got a 3.Oh average two.

Electrongod on July 17, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Delay nothing. Let the hits start coming before the election so the Dems have to own it. Hiding the truth from the American people helps only the Democrats.

I guess the Pubs really don’t want to keep the House and win the Senate, do they?

Liam on July 17, 2013 at 8:44 PM

You make quite a good point sir. No risk for dems who voted for this. “Win win, and at some point in 2015 I’ll blank you again.” Foolish voters.

arnold ziffel on July 17, 2013 at 9:05 PM

I say you got a 3.Oh average two.

Electrongod on July 17, 2013 at 9:03 PM

That right there is funny!

KCB on July 17, 2013 at 9:06 PM

I have been following OCare since we started hearing about it, long before it was rammed through. This whole “delaying the employer mandate” while “keeping the individual mandate” confuses me completely. If you work for, say, Wal-Mart and them having to cover you is delayed but the individual mandate (that you have to be covered) is not, where does that leave you the worker?

And I think O’s reaction shows he has no intention of “working with Congress” on this or anything. What he wants is to be able to do whatever he wants and everyone sits on their hands because they are so afraid of being called racist.

UnderstandingisPower on July 17, 2013 at 9:06 PM

It’s.The.Law.Kinda …

ShainS on July 17, 2013 at 9:07 PM

…and?

KOOLAID2 on July 17, 2013 at 9:01 PM

and … now Republicans will shove through amnesty for illegals in return :O

burrata on July 17, 2013 at 9:07 PM

And why is everyone else getting subsidies and delays and waivers? If that many can opt-out or get help to pay, doesn’t that just increase what those of us who do pay have to pay?

UnderstandingisPower on July 17, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Ried won’t touch the individual mandate delay. It’ll never reach the floor.

No way he let’s it get voted on.

wolly4321 on July 17, 2013 at 9:03 PM

That’s when messaging comes into play. Day after day of the GOP talking about the Demonrats holding up much needed relief to Americans because they don’t have lobbys that give money to liberal PACs. Maybe trot out a few anecdotal cases of people that will be harmed if the individual mandate isn’t delayed. Perhaps an Obama look-alike tossing an old woman over a cliff…. Time to play the Demonrat’s game.

Happy Nomad on July 17, 2013 at 9:11 PM

And why is everyone else getting subsidies and delays and waivers? If that many can opt-out or get help to pay, doesn’t that just increase what those of us who do pay have to pay?

UnderstandingisPower on July 17, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Shut up or you’re going to the cornfield. You no talk number ten.

arnold ziffel on July 17, 2013 at 9:12 PM

doesn’t that just increase what those of us who do pay have to pay?

UnderstandingisPower on July 17, 2013 at 9:08 PM

It’s called ” fairness”.
As that bearded saint said :
From each according to their ability,
to each according to his needs.

burrata on July 17, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Pound sand, Dog Eater.

Bark knows damn well the GOP just stole his thunder because he planned on doing exactly this sometime next week to show America his caring side.

Bishop on July 17, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Perhaps an Obama look-alike tossing an old woman over a cliff….

Happy Nomad on July 17, 2013 at 9:11 PM

There was one of those look-alikes used by the defense of the Zimmerman case last week..

Electrongod on July 17, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Shut up or you’re going to the cornfield. You no talk number ten.

arnold ziffel on July 17, 2013 at 9:12 PM

HAHAHAHAHA

Or get turned into a jack-in-the-box.

Bishop on July 17, 2013 at 9:18 PM

Only one problem Happy Nomad.

Who’s going to report said messaging, and who is listening?

They are already spinning it as the pubs want premiums to increase. Nevermind they already are.

wolly4321 on July 17, 2013 at 9:18 PM

Don’t look now, but the Urban Institute says 96 percent of young people will qualify for subsidies in Obamacare— one of the keys to selling it to the population that’s supposed to spend a bunch of money to prop up the older and the sicker

huh? we young people are supposed to be a big part of the obamacare structure. as you said, we are the main ones who will support the older and sicker. if most of us get subsidies, where is the money coming from for those subsidies?

(answer: obama’s stash!!)

I have been following OCare since we started hearing about it, long before it was rammed through. This whole “delaying the employer mandate” while “keeping the individual mandate” confuses me completely. If you work for, say, Wal-Mart and them having to cover you is delayed but the individual mandate (that you have to be covered) is not, where does that leave you the worker?

UnderstandingisPower on July 17, 2013 at 9:06 PM

i don’t get that either. i guess those people will get subsidies?

Just so I’m following, the insured and taxpayers (vs tax filers) are going to be spending more money supporting older people, sicker people, and folks who don’t anticipate/plan/spend responsibly?

So it’s just like before except more expensive and with government overhead now, right?

rogerb on July 17, 2013 at 8:58 PM

yeah you got it right. =(

Sachiko on July 17, 2013 at 9:20 PM

As Guy Benson points out, Republicans remain on safe ground with this push.

Surprise!!!! Wouldn’t expect anything less more.

Cindy Munford on July 17, 2013 at 9:23 PM

I guess they are keeping the individual mandate so they can rake in all that money from those who tell them to get bent. What is it, about $100 bucks? That won’t even cover the cost of the extra IRS agents let alone more people getting “healthcare”. They’re doing it wrong.

Cindy Munford on July 17, 2013 at 9:26 PM

I am confused by this. The president, all by himself, has already delayed implementation of the employer mandate. It sounds like Congress is trying to give Obama an escape hatch. What Congress should have done was insist Obama enforce the law as it was written. As much as I hate the law, it was duly enacted and the Constitution requires the president to enforce duly enacted laws; failure to do so is an impeachable offense. If the president refuses, Congress can always withhold funding.

eaglescout_1998 on July 17, 2013 at 9:29 PM

What is it, about $100 bucks? That won’t even cover the cost of the extra IRS agents let alone more people getting “healthcare”. They’re doing it wrong.

Cindy Munford on July 17, 2013 at 9:26 PM

The IRS can always drive a pick-up truck to the local Home Depot parking lot….

/

Electrongod on July 17, 2013 at 9:29 PM

eaglescout_1998 on July 17, 2013 at 9:29 PM

I agree it looks like The Won has managed to give himself an unconstitutional (albeit temporary) line item video on his own dang Bill. So much wrong with this. Maybe he should buy a clue.

Cindy Munford on July 17, 2013 at 9:32 PM

I guess they are keeping the individual mandate so they can rake in all that money from those who tell them to get bent. What is it, about $100 bucks? That won’t even cover the cost of the extra IRS agents let alone more people getting “healthcare”. They’re doing it wrong.

Cindy Munford on July 17, 2013 at 9:26 PM

i read somewhere that the fee would go up to $600+ eventually…

Sachiko on July 17, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Darn it. I was looking forward to the whole no-employer-mandate/individual-mandate-still-in-force fustercluck.

bitsy on July 17, 2013 at 9:39 PM

I want it to be implemented on schedule. That was the fastest road to repeal. It’s a disaster. Let the Titanic sink and be done with it.

Philly on July 17, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Sachiko on July 17, 2013 at 9:37 PM

I will be interested in seeing what the “young” and dumb do. I have one such of these and if it gets up to $600 he might decide to carry his employer’s offering. But by that time the employer probably won’t be offering or if they do, it will be twice is much as the fine. You know that they want this to be a mess so that everyone will beg for single payer.

Cindy Munford on July 17, 2013 at 9:42 PM

They had to pass it so that we could see what was in it.

Evidently it was written in cursive, so the libs never bothered to read it.

GarandFan on July 17, 2013 at 9:44 PM

They should have shut the democrats out of the vote on this bill, the way the democrats shut Republicans out of negotiations on 0bamacare.

CurtZHP on July 17, 2013 at 9:45 PM

eaglescout_1998 on July 17, 2013 at 9:29 PM

What Obama proposed only helped the employers.

The House added the individual mandate also.

This way, Obama has to agree to both or show he only cares about the employers.

That’s the way I read it, anyway.

Barred on July 17, 2013 at 9:46 PM

Will it get off the desk of Harry “obstruct everything” Reid?

sadatoni on July 17, 2013 at 9:52 PM

canopfor on July 17, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Thanks! Saves me some time:-)

If they really wanted to show some courage, they could have de-funded Obamacare:-)

bluefox on July 17, 2013 at 9:53 PM

The House added the individual mandate also.

This way, Obama has to agree to both or show he only cares about the employers.

I must have overlooked that bit of info. It’s an interesting chess move.

eaglescout_1998 on July 17, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Why not vote to defund? They think like 2nd graders.

SouthernGent on July 17, 2013 at 9:57 PM

SouthernGent on July 17, 2013 at 9:57 PM

They only know how to defund border security.

Cindy Munford on July 17, 2013 at 10:00 PM

Ried won’t touch the individual mandate delay. It’ll never reach the floor.

No way he let’s it get voted on.

wolly4321 on July 17, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Reid’s favorite tool is to table anything he doesn’t like. Boehner and Reid are a team.

bluefox on July 17, 2013 at 10:01 PM

eaglescout_1998 on July 17, 2013 at 9:55 PM

He was referring to a vote in the House to delay the individual mandate in Obamacare just as President Obama delayed the employer mandate last week. The Republican Party’s sympathetic and decidedly populist pitch— employers have a lobby to assure them a waiver of a mandate, and the little guy who’s arguably more vulnerable shouldn’t be left out to dry.

Barred on July 17, 2013 at 10:03 PM

****ClusterObamaCareFark *****************!!

canopfor on July 17, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Since I have learnt’ that,
Cr@cka’ means Person of Authority…
And N!gga’ means “Dude”…

I should be OK with sayin’ something about this Obama-Care….

[got lost in Moderation the first time...]

Electrongod on July 17, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Electrongod:Sorry for the late response,my grandson babys arrived.

Lol,moderation eh!!:)

canopfor on July 17, 2013 at 10:04 PM

WTF….. Didn’t walk on water….. Still ain’t got my unicorn …..This guy is looking more and more like da Kingfish…. must be spending too much time at the Knights of The Mystic Sea Lodge.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on July 17, 2013 at 10:14 PM

And why is everyone else getting subsidies and delays and waivers? If that many can opt-out or get help to pay, doesn’t that just increase what those of us who do pay have to pay?

UnderstandingisPower on July 17, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Ah! One might think that would be so…HOWEVER…it is planned/expected that the younger set (yoots, as it were)will pay into the ‘system’ at a standard rate – but will draw out a smaller portion of the ‘health care’ available…leaving a bigger slice of the healthcare pie for older people who are falling apart. Since most of them (yoots) have no money (unemployed, dontcha know), they’ll need to be subsidized in order to pay their premiums. These subsidies will allow more of the yoots to enroll in obamacare…which means that the premiums will cost even less for everybody; and old fogies can see the doctors even more often. (This will, of course lead to a need for even more doctors – which will benefit everybody; because more doctors equals better care at lower rates.)

So, you see, the subsidies are not really subsidies per se. They are actually an investment in better healthcare, more doctors and medical facilities and lower overall costs.

And…when the death panels kick into full operation……it’s all gravy, baby!

//s//

Solaratov on July 17, 2013 at 10:25 PM

I understand the politics behind this, make Democrats vote with you, make the Senate not pass it and if they do pass it, let Obama veto it. It looks good, on paper, but if you pass it, the senate passes it and Obama comes out and says he doesn’t want to do it but signs it anyway, the Republicans will be blamed for the future failures of Obamacare, to the point where they will be expected to come up with solutions.

They would have been much better off letting Obama, and the Democrats, do what they want, fighting the illegalities of Obama postponing the employer mandate without consulting Congress, and watching them all squirm. This is their bill, the Republicans weren’t invited to the party, don’t give them any way to blame you for this farce.

bflat879 on July 17, 2013 at 10:39 PM

I thought the whole bill was judged unconstitutional with a mandate and the Chief Justice declared there is not a mandate, it is a tax.

So where does it stand now? Are we talking about a mandate that supposedly does not exist, or a tax?

News2Use on July 17, 2013 at 10:46 PM

The IRS can always drive a pick-up truck to the local Home Depot parking lot….

/

Electrongod on July 17, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Will audit racist enemies for food.”

Solaratov on July 17, 2013 at 10:58 PM

I will be interested in seeing what the “young” and dumb do. I have one such of these and if it gets up to $600 he might decide to carry his employer’s offering. But by that time the employer probably won’t be offering or if they do, it will be twice is much as the fine. You know that they want this to be a mess so that everyone will beg for single payer.

Cindy Munford on July 17, 2013 at 9:42 PM

i think you’re exactly right, sadly.

I thought the whole bill was judged unconstitutional with a mandate and the Chief Justice declared there is not a mandate, it is a tax.

So where does it stand now? Are we talking about a mandate that supposedly does not exist, or a tax?

News2Use on July 17, 2013 at 10:46 PM

it’s whatever word happens to be convenient for obama at the time…

And…when the death panels kick into full operation……it’s all gravy, baby!

//s//

Solaratov on July 17, 2013 at 10:25 PM

say “end of life care.” it sounds better.

Sachiko on July 17, 2013 at 11:07 PM

“Instead of reforming #immigration, the House today is trying to keep millions of Americans from getting better health care at a lower cost.”

yeah because one impacts and is a major concern to millions of citizens, the other no one cares about except the elites and a small minority.

unseen on July 17, 2013 at 11:10 PM

majority of Americans want the individual mandate delayed and a whopping 12 percent support it going into effect in 2014, as scheduled.

no dumb as@ we don’t want it delayed we want it repealed.

unseen on July 17, 2013 at 11:12 PM

Smother this baby in its crib.

socalcon on July 18, 2013 at 9:08 AM

Window dressing. The House leadership needs to grow a set (with John Boner this might make him cry) and vote to DEFUND this disaster.

RandallinHerndon on July 18, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Obama to the Dems who voted for this “nice little career you got there it would be a shame if something happened to it”. “Have you met my good friend Mr Shulman of the IRS?”

neyney on July 18, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Bad move R’s. I want Obamacare gone as much as the next guy but don’t give Democrats cover next year. Let the entire piece of garbage of a law go through as is (or attempt to go through based on recent news) including the individual mandate and let everyone “suffer” the consequences just in time for the 2014 elections.

This, if not stopped in the Senate or the WH, will simply make 2014 easier for everyone and give cover to Democrats who can say “see, nothing bad is happening under O-care”.

ptcamn on July 18, 2013 at 6:43 PM