Video: Potential black juror was excluded from Zimmerman trial for watching Fox News?

posted at 6:01 pm on July 16, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via Greg Hengler, there’s buzz about this on righty blogs this afternoon but I think we already kinda sorta knew about it. Watch Michael Skolnick, a member of the board of directors of the Trayvon Martin Foundation, explain almost offhandedly at the end of the clip here why one potential black juror ended up being bounced during voir dire. I thought it was odd that we hadn’t heard that before, so I checked Legal Insurrection, which covered the trial comprehensively, to see if this was on their radar during pre-trial juror selection. Yep, it was. The man in question was juror B35. Quote:

Later described by television commentators as an African-American man, he said that he watches the national FOX station for his news information. In particular he said he watched Hannity at night, sometimes also O’Reilly—later he referred to them as “Shaun” and “Bill.”

He expressed resentment that the whole affair had been made into a “racial thing.” He also recalled hearing that Zimmerman had “chased Martin down.” He emphasized again that maybe both Zimmerman and Martin were at the “wrong place at the wrong time,” and that he didn’t think it was racially motivated. He recalled that NBC had tampered with the recording of Zimmerman’s non-emergency call to police to make it sound as if Zimmerman, rather than the police, had been concerned with Martin’s race.

He said he did not approve of AL Sharpton and Jesse Jackson Jr. “saber rattling”. He recalled the TV news saying that Zimmerman claimed he was screaming for his life, and that Zimmerman claims he was returning to his truck when Martin attacked him. B35 noted that all his friends and family are pro-Martin, and that he’s alone in not yet forming an opinion. He also spoke of recalling seeing pictures taken at the jail of Zimmerman’s head injuries. “When I saw the scars, I thought he got a pretty good beating, that it was a rough fight.”

He also recalled seeing the photos of Trayvon as a young boy. When questioned by West, B35 said that he “can count on one hand the number of people he knows who have not yet made up their mind,” and that he thought that the people who believed that Martin was killed simply for “walking while being black” were wrong.

After reading that and watching the clip again, I don’t think Skolnick’s claiming as a matter of fact that the prosecution bounced this guy because he was a Fox fan. I think the Fox thing is sticking out in Skolnick’s mind as a memorable detail about him when he might actually have been bounced for broader reasons. If you were part of the prosecution, you wouldn’t want someone on the jury who seemed skeptical from the outset that Zimmerman was racist. The prosecution needed to show that he acted with “a depraved mind regardless of human life” in killing Martin to prove second-degree murder; a juror who’s disinclined to find racism based on what he already knew of the case is unlikely to find that. Beyond that, the guy seemed to be following the case fairly closely, maybe because of his Fox viewing but maybe not. (Hannity conducted one of the only interviews with George Zimmerman, remember. B35 may have already seen defense “testimony” relevant to the case.) He knew enough about it to know that NBC butchered the audio of the 911 call to make Zimmerman seem racist. And, most importantly, he seemed like he was leaning towards self-defense in noting that Zimmerman had gotten a “pretty good beating.” If you’re the defense, you desperately want this guy on the jury. If you’re the prosecution? No way. Regardless of how he feels about “Bill” and “Sean.”

That said, B35′s take does put the lie to the idea that a black juror inevitably would have sided against Zimmerman, which is what most of the complaints about a lack of black jurors boil down to. Supposedly, a more racially diverse jury would, at a bare minimum, have ended up deadlocked rather than unanimous in acquittal. Maybe not.


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So they axed him if he watched Fox News?

Ward Cleaver on July 16, 2013 at 6:06 PM

Then they axed him.

coldwarrior on July 16, 2013 at 8:32 PM

If Zimmerman is a White-Hispanic, does that make Obama a White-Black or a Black-White or just an ahole we have for president?

Sherman1864 on July 16, 2013 at 8:45 PM

The prosecution also tried to remove all the white women from the jury, but the judge wouldn’t let them.

Socratease on July 16, 2013 at 8:50 PM

If you were part of the prosecution, you wouldn’t want someone on the jury who seemed skeptical from the outset that Zimmerman was racist. The prosecution needed to show that he acted with “a depraved mind regardless of human life” in killing Martin to prove second-degree murder; a juror who’s disinclined to find racism based on what he already knew of the case is unlikely to find that.

You’re suggesting that the 6 jurors who did hear the case were not skeptical that Zimmerman was a racist. It doesn’t track.

Secondly, it is possible to act with a “depraved mind” for reasons other than race. Second degree murder is not reserved for racist killings. They didn’t need to prove Zimmerman was a racist to prove second degree. If, on the other hand, they could have proved he was an avowed racist (think Klan), tracked Martin down and killed him, you’re talking 1st degree. Second degree? Zimmerman could have had it in for burglars and decided to teach the next one a lesson. You cannot analyze this case solely on the basis of race. That’s what many of us have accused the media of doing.

The fact is, we don’t know why the prosecution excluded this juror and all this speculation is becoming tiring

IndieDogg on July 16, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Pandering?

Stupidity?

Willful obfuscation of fact?

Our Attorney General is now focused on “stand your ground” laws…because they obviously played such a huge roll in the Zimmerman trial….which in fact Stand Your Ground was not part of any of the prosecution of George Zimmerman.

Holder…Attorney General…in any sane and rational period of our history this would be a joke.

coldwarrior on July 16, 2013 at 8:56 PM

coldwarrior on July 16, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Part of the Zimmerman trial was to call SYG and self-defense into question. After that, if retreating becomes the only legally-acceptable course of action when attacked (as Holder is trying to push), why would you need a gun?

Liam on July 16, 2013 at 8:59 PM

In another development, the fired whistleblower from prosecutor Cory’s office is filing a lawsuit against her department under whistleblower protection laws.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/16/us-usa-florida-shooting-lawsuit-idUSBRE96F1EL20130716

Liam on July 16, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Potential black juror was excluded from Zimmerman trial for watching Fox News

Second-class citizen?

Glenn Jericho on July 16, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Liam on July 16, 2013 at 8:59 PM

The prosecution may have thought SYG was a good road to go down, but at no point in the trial itself was SYG an issue.

Had SYG been the key issue…there would not have been a jury trial…and a single judge would have heard the case and made the determination.

But…yes…very much yes…the aim of Holder et. al., is to compel America into disarming itself…so the state and only the state can hold the instruments of coercion.

Old school fascism…

But we, we new school.

coldwarrior on July 16, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Old school fascism…

But we, we new school.

coldwarrior on July 16, 2013 at 9:08 PM

I know; I can read and speak cursive (When I get angry, I become very cursive).

But, what happens when there is no place to which to retreat?

Liam on July 16, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Schadenfreude pure! Too bad he hasn’t hired GZ’s lawyers. They and the prosecutors hate each others’ guts.

Schadenfreude on July 16, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Ben Kruidbos, Corey’s former director of information technology, was fired after testifying at a pre-trial hearing on June 6 that prosecutors failed to turn over potentially embarrassing evidence extracted from Martin’s cell phone to the defense, as required by evidence-sharing laws.

I’m purely guessing here, but they fired him to save the meme. TM(tm) must have done some gay bashing in his texts.

faraway on July 16, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Liam on July 16, 2013 at 9:11 PM

You call 911.

“Push 2 for Spanish.

Push 5 if you have already been shot, mugged, robbed, assaulted, burglarized, we will contact you in the morning for the followup paperwork.

If you have not yet been shot, mugged, robbed, assaulted or burglarized why are you calling us?

Please hang up and call again after an identifiable crime has been committed.

Thank you.”

coldwarrior on July 16, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Press 3 to receive your yellow star patch

Press 4 for your train tickets

faraway on July 16, 2013 at 9:23 PM

I think Al Sharpton got himself in a bind early on. Before seeing a picture, he heard that the defendant’s name was “Zimmerman”, he immediately thought “Ha! Jeeeewwwwwww!”

kurtzz3 on July 16, 2013 at 9:28 PM

and then there is this…

CABLE NEWS RACE
MON., JULY 16, 2013

FOXNEWS O’REILLY 2,859,000
FOXNEWS THE FIVE 2,056,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 1,920,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 1,910,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 1,689,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 1,589,000
CNN PIERS 1,378,000
CNN COOPER 1,258,000
CMDY DAILY SHOW 1,197,000
FOXNEWS FRIENDS 1,113,000
CMDY COLBERT 1,047,000
MSNBC MADDOW 819,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 743,000
MSNBC O’DONNELL 717,000
MSNBC SHARPTON 696,000
MSNBC HAYES 655,000
MSNBC MORNING JOE 444,000
CNNHN GRACE 444,000

cmsinaz on July 16, 2013 at 6:25 PM

.
Looking at those ratings, it would appear that even the viewers of MSNBC prefer a “talking-head” with more ‘masculinity’, than they do wimps.

listens2glenn on July 16, 2013 at 9:33 PM

Drudge: “Four Children Gunned Down in Chicago During 20-day Zimmerman Trial…”

Probably all black children murdered by black males. Obama, Holder and Sharpton couldn’t care less.

VorDaj on July 16, 2013 at 9:43 PM

Maybe the potential juror was gay too

Ellis on July 16, 2013 at 9:45 PM

We must stand our ground to ensure that our laws reduce violence and do not contribute to more violence. -US AG Eric Holder #NAACP104
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NAACP ‏@NAACP 2h

canopfor on July 16, 2013 at 6:57 PM

In 503 Days Between Trayvon Dying and the Zimmerman Trial Verdict, 10,865 Blacks Have Been Murdered by OTHER BLACKS
By soopermexican On July 14, 2013

GrannyDee on July 16, 2013 at 9:59 PM

Pandering?

Stupidity?

Willful obfuscation of fact?

Our Attorney General is now focused on “stand your ground” laws…because they obviously played such a huge roll in the Zimmerman trial….which in fact Stand Your Ground was not part of any of the prosecution of George Zimmerman.

Holder…Attorney General…in any sane and rational period of our history this would be a joke.

coldwarrior on July 16, 2013 at 8:56 PM

“Never let a crisis go to waste.” Libs hate SRG like they hate guns. The citizenry must be dependent on authorities for protection.

Too much independence threatens the state’s power over their lives by suggesting that they don’t need the state as much as they thought they did. (Variation: Wisconsin right-to-work reforms showed teachers they could get along quite well without the unions.)

Wethal on July 16, 2013 at 10:09 PM

To Obama, Holder and Sharpton, race isn’t just the most important thing, it’s the only thing. They are every bit as obsessed with race as any Klansman ever was.

VorDaj on July 16, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Hillary is in full campaign mode. The Zimmerman verdict brought her “deep heartache.”
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/hillary-clinton-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-verdict-94301.html

onlineanalyst on July 16, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Part of the Zimmerman trial was to call SYG and self-defense into question. After that, if retreating becomes the only legally-acceptable course of action when attacked (as Holder is trying to push), why would you need a gun?

Liam on July 16, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Well observed. As an example of that in action, Australia does not permit self-defense. The advice of police in all states is if an offender is coming in the front of your house, flee via the back. Really. Australia also confiscated vast swathes of guns some time back and now has 100 per cent gun registration and a licensing process that takes up to 2 years for approval of a hand gun licence. Further, once you have your licence, you are flagged as ‘a person of interest’ on your state’s police database which means if you are stopped while driving or police go to your house, they treat you the same as they treat other ‘persons of interest’ who include organised crime gang members and pedophiles. Beware – Australia is something of a testing ground for what happens in the rest of the world.

The Thin Man Returns on July 16, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Video: Potential black juror was excluded from Zimmerman trial for watching Fox News?

Meanwhile inside a typical Libtard brain:

DOES NOT COMPUTE.
DOES NOT COMPUTE.
DOES NOT COMPUTE.

$%%#@ZING$%^*@#$#CLANKITY-CLANK&*#@*!!!!!KABOOM!!!!

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 16, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Potential black juror was excluded from Zimmerman trial for watching Fox News

Second-class citizen?

Glenn Jericho on July 16, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Well, if he watches Faux News, he’s not really black.

/liberal

malclave on July 16, 2013 at 11:10 PM

does that make Obama a White-Black or a Black-White or just an ahole we have for president?

ahole.

avagreen on July 16, 2013 at 11:19 PM

So the guy who watched Fox News was better informed than most of the potential jurors questioned….

Well, no wonder the prosecution had to get rid of him.

There Goes the Neighborhood on July 17, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Have you guys covered the crypt angle yet? Surprised me.

http://theothermccain.com/2013/07/15/can-anyone-verify-these-disturbing-allegations-about-trayvons-family/
Here’s a clip from the link above.
Here’s something else you don’t know. From the age of 3 until age 15 or 16, Trayvon Martin lived NOT with Sybrina Fulton but with Tracy Martin, a known member of the Crips, and his then-wife Alicia Stanley-Martin, who was mentioned above. Alicia Stanley-Martin in that interview with Anderson Cooper said Trayvon spent 90% of his life in her home being raised with her two daughters from a previous relationship………..
Here’s another one
The part that gets me, however, is that Sybrina would let a known member of the Crips to raise her child from age three. I’m sorry but that’s too messed up for words.
You ought to check out Trayvon’s text messages, the released ones anyway. All evidence points to Tracy initiating Trayvon into the Crips, including purchasing illegal guns on the street. Yes, you read that correctly.
The text messages may be found at the website created and ran by Mark O’Mara. Look at the ten text message reports. Oh, and Tracy Martin’s Crip nickname is “Fruit.”

rodguy911 on July 17, 2013 at 7:26 AM

To get on a jury in a high profile case you must not openly demonstrate that you have a mind and can think.

Like Will Smith in MB III: “I put my pants on.”

TerryW on July 17, 2013 at 8:48 AM

sounds like that guy was pretty well informed! if he said he did not yet make up him mind on the case, they should have trusted him. don’t they have to trust that all jurors haven’t made up their minds yet??

jetch on July 17, 2013 at 10:23 AM

At first I thought he may have just been trying to get out of Jury Duty, but as I kept reading he sounds like he was too well informed. He may even be a conservative black man, the media will forget he existed real quick.

jeffn21 on July 17, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Was the potential juror a black (african-American), or was a juror potentially black? You have dangling modifiers in your lede. (Oh! those layers of editors.)

Old Country Boy on July 18, 2013 at 8:31 AM

Whatever the reason for juror B35 getting bounced, the low cognition, low infObamuhbot rioters still have no clue about how juries get selected and won’t get a clue anytime soon.

stukinIL4now on July 18, 2013 at 3:30 PM

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