DoJ sending trial balloon about demurring on Zimmerman?

posted at 10:41 am on July 16, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

In the aftermath of the acquittal of George Zimmerman, the White House tried to assure angry supporters of the Trayvon Martin family that the investigation would continue.  Eric Holder yesterday told a luncheon that “I share your concern” over the “tragic, unnecessary shooting death,” while members of Congress pushed the Department of Justice to take some kind of action to address the situation.  Today, though, the Washington Post hears from sources within the DoJ that federal action is all but impossible:

Current and former Justice Department officials said Monday that bringing civil rights charges against George Zimmerman in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black 17-year-old in Florida, would be extremely difficult and may not be possible.

Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. vowed to continue a federal investigation of the matter, but other officials said in interviews that the government may not be able to charge Zimmerman with a federal hate crime because it’s not clear that he killed Martin because of his race.

The weakness of the evidence compounds the political problems facing President Obama and Holder, who are under mounting pressure from many liberal and African American groups to bring a federal case against Zimmerman after a Florida jury acquitted him Saturday of second-degree murder and manslaughter.

Actually, it’s more clear that race was not a motivating factor.  The FBI determined that already in its report, picked up by The Smoking Gun and published over the weekend. One of the jurors in the case emphasized that last night in an interview with Anderson Cooper on CNN:

The six-member jury that acquitted George Zimmerman did not believe race played a role in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, the first juror to speak publicly about the trial said Monday night.

The juror, identified only as Juror B37, told CNN’s Anderson Cooper that she and the other jurors believed the screaming voice captured on a 911 recording belonged to Zimmerman, and lent little credibility to a key witness who spoke to Trayvon on the phone before he died. …

So far, however, the FBI has found no evidence that racial bias was a motivating factor in the Feb. 26, 2012, shooting. Agents investigating the case last July determined that Zimmerman had not expressed racial animus at any time before the confrontation with Trayvon in a Sanford housing complex.

That eliminates the hate-crime lever for federal intervention in the case.  The jury and the DoJ’s own investigation both concluded that Zimmerman didn’t have the kind of animus required by those statutes, and a further prosecution would not only yield the same reasonable-doubt acquittal — especially after introducing the exact same weak case that the state of Florida had — but also will create even more political damage from its failure.

Generally speaking, anonymous sources from any administration that appear in the Post or the New York Times fall into two categories: whistleblowers and launchers of trial balloons.  The latter get sent out to their contacts in the media to release sensitive information on the administration’s terms.  That seems to be the purpose of this leak, too.  After stoking expectations for forty-eight hours of some kind of meaningful action by the administration, the DoJ appears to be casting a healthy dash of cold water on those prospects.

Bloomberg’s editorial board expresses indignation over the result of the trial, but warns the DoJ to back off:

Now that a Florida jury has acquitted George Zimmerman of second-degree murder in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, the U.S. Department of Justice has resumed its inquiry into whether Martin was the victim of a hate crime. The investigation may be necessary and even worthwhile. The answer to the question of whether Zimmerman should be retried in federal court, however, is clear: No.

The Justice Department’s civil-rights investigation, which was put on hold while Zimmerman’s criminal trial was under way, could theoretically uncover new information. And a federal case against Zimmerman might provide a brief catharsis for millions of Americans outraged that an unarmed teen was shot dead, without any criminal penalty imposed on the man who pulled the trigger.

But outrage is not a legal strategy, and catharsis is not something the justice system is especially well-equipped to provide. Pursuing a federal case would ultimately prove both unproductive and unwise.

The DoJ has already conducted an investigation into those issues and come up empty. As Zimmerman was not acting as an agent of the state, there is a good argument that the DoJ doesn’t have a role in this kind of case in the first place, especially after the state has prosecuted for the core act and lost. It’s time to take this advice and end the discussion.


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This is the only crime involving a Latino kid and a Black kid, right?

Bmore on July 16, 2013 at 10:42 AM

It’s outrageous that this clown Holder and his underlings keep telling people they are still investigating. Zimmerman, his family, and his attys need to have a rest from the death threats.

Blake on July 16, 2013 at 10:43 AM

Does this mean the Hispanics are catching on to the racist treatment they’re getting from the Cowardly Lyin’ Holder?

Flange on July 16, 2013 at 10:44 AM

How can the DoJ not have a case!

Trayvon is this generations Emmitt Till.

libfreeordie on July 16, 2013 at 9:58 AM

Doesn’t AG Holder know this? Hasn’t he been listening to the race baiters, the race hustlers, and the race pimps. He must prosecute Zimmerman. He must.

farsighted on July 16, 2013 at 10:45 AM

When has the law ever gotten in the way of this admin?

Akzed on July 16, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Will no one rid us of this incompetent fool…

workingclass artist on July 16, 2013 at 10:45 AM

The Justice Department’s civil-rights investigation, which was put on hold while Zimmerman’s criminal trial was under way, could theoretically uncover new information. And a federal case against Zimmerman might provide a brief catharsis for millions of Americans outraged that an unarmed teen was shot dead, without any criminal penalty imposed on the man who pulled the trigger.

I, and millions of Americans, were outraged that Casey Anthony was acquitted. Shouldn’t we get a do-over through federal charges as well?

Is that the new thing we are going to do – bring a federal case every time we don’t like a state court outcome?

Monkeytoe on July 16, 2013 at 10:46 AM

He doesn’t want to alienate “his people”…so, Holder will string this along to see how many riots he can produce.

d1carter on July 16, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Does this mean the Hispanics are catching on to the racist treatment they’re getting from the Cowardly Lyin’ Holder?

Flange on July 16, 2013 at 10:44 AM

Yeah.

Black & Brown Brothas’ Unite Against The Man….until we turn on you Amigo.

workingclass artist on July 16, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Uncle Fester Holder is not sure what do do. Obviously.

avagreen on July 16, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Surely he can drag it out longer than this. C’mon Eric, give it the old slow walk effort you have perfected. There are still black Florida votes to be harvested.

a capella on July 16, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Feeding the irrational rage with more politicized misinformation will do nothing but harm. So I’m guessing that’s exactly what the Regime will continue to do.

forest on July 16, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Coward.

coldwarrior on July 16, 2013 at 10:49 AM

One of the jurors in the case emphasized that last night in an interview with Anderson Cooper on CNN:

On that same program Sunny Hostin went apoplectic when she addressed that juror’s statements about the testimony of Jeantel, all but saying her statements about how hard Jeantel was to understand and that she could not communicate well were racist.

The race baiters are relentless and shameless, largely because there is no penalty for making those charges no matter how unsupported, frivolous, or flimsy.

farsighted on July 16, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Holder thinks that we are a “nation of cowards”…he’s counting on this as he and the first community agitator fan the riot flames.

d1carter on July 16, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Ummmm…This Trayvon thing is kinda gettin in the way of building our new voter base Eric… – Obama

Well…Our people are upset your son was killed and Zimmerman got off Mr. President – Holder

Yeah…But we gotta have the hispanics cause our people are still only 14%…so you gotta back off and drop it…come up with something else – Obama

workingclass artist on July 16, 2013 at 10:53 AM

federal hate crime

The very notion of a “federal hate crime” is offensive and un-Constitutional. I am so tired of this idiocy, perverting this nation to satisfy the white guilters, who are just nihilistic morons who should deal with the problem of their own pathetic existences before worrying about interfering in anyone else’s, and the moron America-haters who just want to see this nation brought low to make up for their shame.

Pathetic.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 16, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Let me answer this question. Federal civil rights violations rely on there being a state actor, and do apply to private individuals. Unlike the Rodney King defendants, who were cops, there is no state actor present here. This is all just mental masturbation for the Left.

Hucklebuck on July 16, 2013 at 10:53 AM

The riots will continue if he don’t and will crank back up if he does and finds no charges are warranted.The right to riot is assured.

docflash on July 16, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Is that the new thing we are going to do – bring a federal case every time we don’t like a state court outcome?

Monkeytoe on July 16, 2013 at 10:46 AM

The bottom line is that this administration will do what it wants. If it’s walking away from a “civil rights” case, it’s because they’ve decided the damage from their nearly inevitable defeat in the courts will hurt them more than simply not charging.

Plus it will open up Eric Holder to charges of malicious prosecution. Obama is probably not willing to risk further exposing him like this unless there is really no other choice.

Doomberg on July 16, 2013 at 10:54 AM

The FBI talked to 35 people who know Zimmerman personally, and found no cause to believe he’s a racist.

Add in the six jurors, and what kind of case could DoJ make to sustain the continuing accusation the media keep trying to push?

How about DoJ instead go after those who attacked whites, “For Trayvon?” Surely Holder could make those cases stick if he wanted.

Liam on July 16, 2013 at 10:54 AM

“…..especially after the state has prosecuted for the core act and lost. It’s time to take this advice and end the discussion.”

Some one should inform CNN and HLN of this. They’re still trying to convict George Zimmerman……indignantly.

Rovin on July 16, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Go ahead, morons. Push this. The entire country (except for the race hustlers) will see it for what it is – a violation of double jeopardy, de facto if not de jure.

Red Cloud on July 16, 2013 at 10:55 AM

DOJ, just a bunch of thugs…

right2bright on July 16, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Anybody heard from the Benghazi FBI investigation..? Anybody in the GOP asking about it..? Demanding it?

d1carter on July 16, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Holder and Obama clearly know the true narrative, proved by the defense in the trial and published in the conservative blogosphere 12 months ago. They have reversed their position overnight.

This shows that Obama has limits. Stalin would be so disappointed.

gh on July 16, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Let’s see is Holder goes after the black thugs that beat a Hispanic man yesterday…Here or this.

right2bright on July 16, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Trayvon is this generations Emmitt Till.

libfreeordie on July 16, 2013 at 9:58 AM

That is a gross and offensive insult to Till and all the others that truly worked for equality in civil rights. The insignificant death of a tatted up street thug when he was stupid enough to assault a fellow citizen falls way short of the mark of civil rights hero.

Happy Nomad on July 16, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Plus it will open up Eric Holder to charges of malicious prosecution.

Doomberg on July 16, 2013 at 10:54 AM

LOL … as if anyone in this criminal administration fears being held to the law … to any law. Holder has already broken so many laws and shown such contempt for Congress that he can’t get in any worse of a position. He laughs at the idea that anyone is going to prosecute him (or Barky) for anything. They are allowed to destroy this nation any way they want. That’s “reparations” to the pea-brains. And no one in this nation has the wherewithal or the brains or the integrity to even try to stop any of these America-hating criminals. Barky and his junta have been free to do any damn thing they want … and they have. Over and over and over …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 16, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Charles Krauthammer addressed the Emmett Till analogy yesterday on Special Report:

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: What’s interesting here is that we saw every minute of the trial. There was nothing secret, there was nothing hidden. So, for all of those who want to make this into a racial incident, an example of racial prejudice, answer this: where was the racial taint in those hours and hours of that trial? Where was the bias? And what parts of the trial were not fair because the victim was African-American?

The way that these demagogues are comparing this incident to Emmett Till, who was lynched in the south half a century ago I think is a travesty and a desecration of the memory of Emmett Till who was a victim of real brutal racism in a country that at the time had legalized racism. Here was a trial that everybody watched and that was without any doubt a fair trial.

I think the media’s attempt to turn this into a racial incident is disgraceful because the paradigm is white on black, except that Zimmerman is Hispanic. So, CNN and others had to invent a new category, the ‘white Hispanic.’ Up until now we had never heard of that. Why? Presumably because one of Zimmerman’s parents is white. Well, that also applies to the president of the United States. Which means is he a white African-American? This is an absurdity and it’s also a disgrace. (Special Report, July 15, 2013)

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on July 16, 2013 at 10:58 AM

If the justice department continues to investigate and pursue charges against Zimmerman, the only conclusion I could ever derive from our federal government is the following:

I would know the true color of persecution.

Turtle317 on July 16, 2013 at 10:58 AM

…millions of Americans outraged that an unarmed teen was shot dead, without any criminal penalty imposed on the man who pulled the trigger.

Because whenever someone is killed, someone else is to blame, right?

Statements like this continue to illustrate the disconnect from actual reality that characterizes the Reality Based Community.

Hucklebuck on July 16, 2013 at 10:59 AM

The bottom line is that this administration will do what it wants. If it’s walking away from a “civil rights” case, it’s because they’ve decided the damage from their nearly inevitable defeat in the courts will hurt them more than simply not charging.

Plus it will open up Eric Holder to charges of malicious prosecution. Obama is probably not willing to risk further exposing him like this unless there is really no other choice.

Doomberg on July 16, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Yep. If Zimmerman were white and a Republican they’d find a way. I don’t know how they get away with the “white hispanic” phrase, I suspect that in reality it’s hurting them with most people. But they keep using the phrase anyway. Just can’t help themselves.

Fenris on July 16, 2013 at 10:59 AM

The War Drums are beating:

Al Sharpton on Zimmerman verdict: We want to put corporations who support ‘Stand Your Ground’ on notice – live video

47 mins ago by editor
=========================

canopfor on July 16, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Holder is just being a “coward” about that conversation on race.

rhombus on July 16, 2013 at 11:00 AM

Nuts. Now I jus’ gotta find some other crazy white a** cracka’ for da DOJ ta beat on!!!

PackerBronco on July 16, 2013 at 11:00 AM

On the one hand, all this talk about DoJ conducting a political show trial gins up the GOP base to turn out and vote more Holder-enabling Democrats out of office.

On the other hand, not pursuing said political show trial only angers the Democrats’ liberal zombie base and may demotivate them from showing up at the polls come the midterms.

The GOP having control of both the House and the Senate could pose problems for both Holder and Barry in the near future.

What to do? What to do? :-)

Punchenko on July 16, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Charles Krauthammer addressed the Emmett Till analogy yesterday on Special Report:

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: …And what parts of the trial were not fair because the victim was African-American?

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on July 16, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Well, Trayvon Martin didn’t get a jury of his peers, says Jesse Jackson. You just can’t make this stuff up.

Fenris on July 16, 2013 at 11:02 AM

canopfor on July 16, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Sadly Sharpton will not get what he deserves.

I discovered a couple of nights ago that Obama’s statement: “if I had a son…” was essentially plagiarized from Sharpton’s earlier public statements, which ignited this whole sad affair.

gh on July 16, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Yup,the DOJ,and race-baiting crew,Jackson/Sharpton are on
a War Path,on this so-called Racial Profilling of young
African Males!!!

And the kill’n has gots to stop,(according to them)

Even tho,its Black on Black!!

canopfor on July 16, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Holder cannot alienate “his people” nor can Obama…yet, they would sooner take this nation down than to admit they are in over their heads.

No results from the “investigation” of how many scandals in the past year or so…DoJ is busy doing what, exactly?

And, if we are to believe our President…if he had a son, he’d look just like a stank drank bling-wearing hoodied druggie with a penchant for large ignorant women, ganja, and breaking into other peoples homes….

And his wife dares to lecture the rest of us on how to raise our kids?

No wonder this country is so screwed up.

coldwarrior on July 16, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Throat Wobbler Mangrove

I thought that was spelled “Luxury-Yacht”.

Hucklebuck on July 16, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Some one should inform CNN and HLN of this. They’re still trying to convict George Zimmerman……indignantly.

Rovin on July 16, 2013 at 10:54 AM

It has been clear from callers to local talk radio that anything short of a conviction on Second Degree murder would be considered a failure of the judicial system. In other words, those jurors should have just met long enough to decide that Zimmerman should be given the max sentence possible.

The reality is that there is no perfect justice in this case. Zimmerman did not act illegally but a street thug is dead and that is unfortunate. There were a myriad of ways the outcome could have been different but it wasn’t and so now the most divisive President in American history has to face the wrath of the racists he has whipped up by his own words and actions.

Happy Nomad on July 16, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Placating the haters.

Philly on July 16, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Personally, I think Obama and Holder are just “going through the motions” to attempt to keep the “outraged” and emotionally distressed masses from doing more harm. Idiots like Al-Not-Sharpton, Anderson Cooper, et all, will fan the flames for a few more days and fade. Obama will work on his golf game, and Holder will……well, Holder doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing, but he sure is good at it.

Rovin on July 16, 2013 at 11:07 AM

Zimmerman did not act illegally exercised his right of self-defense under the second amendment but a street thug is dead and that is unfortunate.

Happy Nomad on July 16, 2013 at 11:04 AM

FIFY and I’m not even American.

gh on July 16, 2013 at 11:08 AM

canopfor on July 16, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Sadly Sharpton will not get what he deserves.

I discovered a couple of nights ago that Obama’s statement: “if I had a son…” was essentially plagiarized from Sharpton’s earlier public statements, which ignited this whole sad affair.

gh on July 16, 2013 at 11:02 AM

gh:

According to the Presser earlier,they ain’t gonna let this go!!:)

canopfor on July 16, 2013 at 11:08 AM

There is no protesting going on – it’s just hateful mobs committing Hate Crimes. Prosecuting these criminals (mostly racists) would be easier.

Karmi on July 16, 2013 at 11:08 AM

I still think there is a chance Holder will concoct something to try to charge Zimmerman with. It won’t get very far, but he almost has to do it to satisfy the mob that wants Zimmerman lynched. The mob that has not only Zimmerman in hiding, but his entire family including his parents. The mob that has the jury afraid to show their faces. The mob that represents his “people”.

This miscarriage of justice has been extra-legal all along. Why expect it to change now? What penalty would Holder pay for tossing out some baseless charges to satisfy the mob? AFAIK, none.

If nothing else they can fabricate some testimony, as chum for the mob, that Zimmerman used the “N” word once in his life, whether it is true or not. Or something like that. Holder must do something to feed and perpetuate the myth that the white half of Zimmerman is racist and that is what motivated him to hunt down and murder that poor child, Emmet Till Trayvon Martin.

The next rallying point for the race hustlers will be that Zimmerman was found not guilty because there is something wrong with the system. Zimmerman really is guilty but a broken system enabled him to “get away with murder”. “We” must find out what is wrong with a system that enabled him to “get away with it” and fix it.

farsighted on July 16, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Trayvon is this generations Emmitt Till.

libfreeordie on July 16, 2013 at 9:58 AM

? Hardly. In the pitifully infant brainwashed, racist mind of Jeantel no doubt.

Zimmerman’s actually closer to being this generation’s Dred Scott decision. We’re not that far from him getting a 5/4 in either direction that he does not posses, nor could he ever acquire the same rights granted an African American, as the court has, “no right to prohibit racial restitution under the laws of hope and change” or some such.
See how that works libby? Meds, basement, now. Please.

onomo on July 16, 2013 at 11:10 AM

According to the Presser earlier,they ain’t gonna let this go!!:)

canopfor on July 16, 2013 at 11:08 AM

It would be ironic if they pushed it so far that Holder had to prosecute Sharpton but that’s as unlikely as Obama giving up on saving the planet from Misanthropic Glowball Warming.

gh on July 16, 2013 at 11:11 AM

As far as the manufactured “protest movement” and those behind it, it’s all about the “content of their character“.

kingsjester on July 16, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Sharpton’s employer can be reached here.

NBC Headquarters
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, NY 10112
Tel 212-664-4444

Flange on July 16, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Well, Trayvon Martin didn’t get a jury of his peers, says Jesse Jackson. You just can’t make this stuff up.

Fenris on July 16, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Which means what exactly? Come on reverend, time for an open discussion. Your peer means your equal. You’re saying they were unequal. Are you saying they were superior? Are you saying they were inferior?
The United States constitution recognizes neither. Exactly where are you coming from Reverend? And be prepared for a follow up, this is not your daddy’s media.

onomo on July 16, 2013 at 11:16 AM

The next rallying point for the race hustlers will be that Zimmerman was found not guilty because there is something wrong with the system. Zimmerman really is guilty but a broken system enabled him to “get away with murder”. “We” must find out what is wrong with a system that enabled him to “get away with it” and fix it.

farsighted on July 16, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Yes, the system IS broken. I could mention the number of child-molesters who have pleaded guilty and only gotten a wrist-slap. Or, we can take the likes of Jon Corzine who defrauded millions and he hasn’t been arrested or gone to trial. But then there is my favorite: A Massachusetts senator who got away with driving a car off a bridge over the Chappaquiddick River and murdered a young white girl – yet lived out the rest of his life without even being arrested.

Unfortunately for Zimmerman, he will be tried for the rest of his life as a result of our broken justice system.

Turtle317 on July 16, 2013 at 11:18 AM

onomo on July 16, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Actually, I think historically ‘peer’ means the same social class. Sort of the whole medieval thing. So, for example, if you (a homeowner) shoot a burglar who has broken into your house, Jesse Jackson wants you to be tried by convicted felons.

Fenris on July 16, 2013 at 11:21 AM

As an appeasement to the angry masses,I predict Eric H. to re-visit gun control. B.H.O. will ask the folks to back him on this, as it’s for Trayvon.

aceinstall on July 16, 2013 at 11:24 AM

What I wouldn’t give to hear Obama continually referred to as a “White-African American”. Only seems right, donchathink?

BettyRuth on July 16, 2013 at 11:25 AM

What is sickening to me is that an entire country can be held hostage and put in fear by a handful of race baiters/hustlers like Al Sharpton.

“Oh, my! We gotta find an innocent man guilty or else people will riot!”

Bullsnot! The rioting can be put down if police were allowed to do their jobs. Instead, mayors let the rabble run loose like in all the cities where mayors allowed OWS to take over and ruin public parks for weeks on end. And like in Oakland yesterday, where police abandoned an intersection closed off by a protest (which shouldn’t be allowed in the first place), leaving innocent motorists to be intimidated by a thuggish mob.

If a situation gets too big for police, governors have authority to call out National Guard units.

The reason these thugs, led by Sharpton’s calls, are rioting is because liberal politicians LET them.

Liam on July 16, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Ben Franklin not amused by this faculty hire…

“It should come as no surprise that some of the very worst rants about George Zimmerman’s acquittal are coming from an Ivy League professor. The competition is stiff, but will be hard-pressed to keep up with Anthea Butler, an associate professor of religious studies at the University of Pennsylvania.

The Zimmerman verdict has caused Butler to conclude that God is “a white racist god with a problem” who “is carrying a gun and stalking young black men.”

There are conclusions Butler could have reached short of equating her caricature of Zimmerman with God. She could have settled for the less flamboyant view that there is no God. But flamboyance, one suspects, is what landed Butler the Ivy League gig and appearances of CNN and MSNBC.

Butler might also have concluded, years ago, that God is a black god with a problem who guns down young blacks. After all, there is a near-epidemic of shootings of young African-Americans by other African-Americans.

But Butler didn’t land that Ivy League gig and those cable news appearances by calling out blacks…

Speaking of the Ivy League gig, what do Butler’s students think of her teaching? According to the Daily Caller, her student reviews are abysmal:

“Pathetic,” reports one unhappy student. “This teacher is pathetically bad at her supposed job. Do not give this untalented instructor any more classes.”

Another student describes her as a “loudmouth idiot with crazy Don King hair” and “poorly substantiated and academically unsound” opinions.

And that was before her latest epiphany.

Whatever her shortcomings as an academic, though, Butler is a marketing genius. Thus, she’s actually a perfect fit for left-wing cable outlets and, regrettably, for the back bench of the Ivy League.”

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/07/god-and-man-at-penn.php

workingclass artist on July 16, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Turtle317 on July 16, 2013 at 11:18 AM

Zimmerman obviously did something wrong when he exited his vehicle in his own neighborhood to take a look at where that poor frightened child ran off to!

It’s not illegal now, but it should be. We must pass a law making it illegal to exit your vehicle in your own neighborhood while carrying a concealed weapon when there are children like Emmet Till Trayvon Martin within 500 feet. Those children might get scared and viciously attack. And then a racist might gun them down for no reason. Or something.

/s

farsighted on July 16, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Turtle317 on July 16, 2013 at 11:18 AM

Then there is the bill before the CA legislature whereby staff at any private school can be charged with child molestation going back 40 years. Public school staff, however, are fully exempt from prosecution. I’m not sure of the details, but what happens if a teacher is caught in the act? Would he be immune?

The system is broken because of self-serving politicians.

Liam on July 16, 2013 at 11:28 AM

The DoJ has already conducted an investigation into those issues and come up empty. As Zimmerman was not acting as an agent of the state, there is a good argument that the DoJ doesn’t have a role in this kind of case in the first place, especially after the state has prosecuted for the core act and lost. It’s time to take this advice and end the discussion.

Clearly the REB needs to issue an Executive Order creating a new law that could be used against GZ and one that they could win in court. Predate the Executive Order to before the GZ case began.

You know that half the country would cheer such an order.

slickwillie2001 on July 16, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Which means what exactly? Come on reverend, time for an open discussion.

onomo on July 16, 2013 at 11:16 AM

The leaders of the race industry including Sharpton and Jesse Jackpot are constantly talking about the need for a serious discussion about race. What they really mean is that they want to lecture you on just how much of a racist you are.

Happy Nomad on July 16, 2013 at 11:34 AM

What is sickening to me is that an entire country can be held hostage and put in fear by a handful of race baiters/hustlers like Al Sharpton.

“Oh, my! We gotta find an innocent man guilty or else people will riot!”

Bullsnot! The rioting can be put down if police were allowed to do their jobs. Instead, mayors let the rabble run loose like in all the cities where mayors allowed OWS to take over and ruin public parks for weeks on end. And like in Oakland yesterday, where police abandoned an intersection closed off by a protest (which shouldn’t be allowed in the first place), leaving innocent motorists to be intimidated by a thuggish mob.

If a situation gets too big for police, governors have authority to call out National Guard units.

The reason these thugs, led by Sharpton’s calls, are rioting is because liberal politicians LET them.

Liam on July 16, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Watts…Harlem…LA…Oakland…NY…Newark…Detroit…

It’s a lengthy list.

“How the 1960s’ Riots Hurt African-Americans

“The riots had economically significant negative effects on blacks’ income and employment. Further, those effects may have been larger in the long run – from 1960 to 1980 – than in the short run – from 1960 to 1970.”

“The riots significantly depressed the median value of black-owned property between 1960 and 1970, with little or no rebound in the 1970s.”

Any American of a certain age remembers the race-related riots that tore through U. S. numerous cities in the 1960s. Between 1964 and 1971, civil disturbances (as many as 700, by one count) resulted in large numbers of injuries, deaths, and arrests, as well as considerable property damage, concentrated in predominantly black areas.

Although the United States has experienced race-related civil disturbances throughout its history, the 1960s events were unprecedented in their frequency and scope. Law enforcement authorities took extraordinary measures to end the riots, sometimes including the mobilization of National Guard units. The most deadly riots were in Detroit (1967), Los Angeles (1965), and Newark (1967). Measuring riot severity by also including arrests, injuries, and arson adds Washington (1968) to that list. Particularly following the death of Martin Luther King in April 1968, the riots signaled the end of the carefully orchestrated, non-violent demonstrations of the early Civil Rights Movement.

Social scientists have studied the causes of the riots for a long time. Now two NBER papers by William Collins and Robert Margo instead examine the economic impact of the riots on African Americans and on the cities where they took place. In the first paper, The Labor Market Effects of the 1960s Riots (NBER Working Paper No. 10243), they find that the riots had economically significant negative effects on blacks’ income and employment. Further, those effects may have been larger in the long run – from 1960 to 1980 – than in the short run – from 1960 to 1970.

Until 1975, the racial gap in average earnings among full-time male workers in the United States narrowed. There were periods of sharp convergence, as in the 1940s, alternating with periods of relative stasis, as in the 1950s and early 1960s. After 1970, racial convergence in earnings slowed markedly, in part because many low-wage black males were no longer engaged in full-time work, the authors note. The proportion of blacks living in high-poverty urban neighborhoods increased as well, and residential segregation led to increasingly poor socioeconomic outcomes among young blacks. In this context, Collins and Margo attempt to detect whether the riots contributed to a downward economic spiral that hurt employment opportunities, incomes, and property values.

Although they characterize their baseline estimates as “tentative,” Collins and Margo find a relative decline in median black family income of approximately 9 percent in cities that experienced severe riots relative to those that did not, controlling for several other relevant city characteristics. There is also some evidence of an adverse effect on adult male employment rates, particularly in the 1970s. Between 1960 and 1980, severe riot cities had relative declines in male employment rates of 4 to 7 percentage points. Individual-level data for the 1970s suggests that this decline was especially large for men under the age of 30.

In the second paper, The Economic Aftermath of the 1960s Riots: Evidence from Property Values (NBER Working Paper No. 10493), Margo and Collins investigate the influence of riots on central city residential property values, especially black-owned properties.

They find that the riots significantly depressed the median value of black-owned property between 1960 and 1970, with little or no rebound in the 1970s.

The baseline estimates for severe-riot cities relative to small-or-no-riot cities range from approximately 14 to 20 percent for black-owned properties, and from 6 to 10 percent for all central-city residential properties. Household-level data for the 1970s indicate that the racial gap in property values widened substantially in riot-afflicted cities relative to others.

The exact mechanisms through which the riots affected economic activity over a long period of time are difficult to identify, but a large number of potentially reinforcing channels exist. Property risk might seem higher in central city neighborhoods than before the riots, causing insurance premiums to rise; taxes for income redistribution or more police and fire protection might increase, and municipal bonds may be more difficult to place; retail outlets might close; businesses and employment opportunities might relocate; middle and higher income households might move away; burned out buildings might be an eyesore; and so on. These damaging aspects of riots, the authors find, apparently outweighed outside assistance directed toward the riot areas in the wake of the disturbances…”

– David R. Francis

http://www.nber.org/digest/sep04/w10243.html

Links to data at the site.

workingclass artist on July 16, 2013 at 11:36 AM

The leaders of the race industry including Sharpton and Jesse Jackpot are constantly talking about the need for a serious discussion about race. What they really mean is that they want to lecture you on just how much of a racist you are.

Happy Nomad on July 16, 2013 at 11:34 AM

This^^^

Liam on July 16, 2013 at 11:36 AM

That eliminates the hate-crime lever for federal intervention in the case.

I think it’s sweet that you think the actual law has any impact on what this current administration and its DOJ will do.

Physics Geek on July 16, 2013 at 11:37 AM

In any case, whether there is federal prosecution or not, there is still the civil action upcoming.

Whether in federal or civil court, I believe prosecutors have learned an important lesson in this first trial, and that is that it’s extremely important to get a jury which includes a lot of Martin’s true peers (that is, fellow African-Americans). African-Americans understand that there is a higher justice than the old-fashioned rule of law kind and will come out with a correct verdict accordingly, just as they did in the O.J. Simpson case.

Burke on July 16, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Wiki’s list…Probably incomplete…

Civil Rights and Black Power Movement’s Period: 1955 – 1977

* 1958: Battle of Hayes Pond (Maxton, North Carolina)
* 1963: Cambridge riot of 1963 (Cambridge, Maryland)
* 1964: Harlem Riot of 1964 (Harlem neighborhood, Manhattan, New York City)
* 1964: Rochester riot (Rochester, New York)
* 1964: Philadelphia 1964 race riot (North Philadelphia section of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania)
* 1965: Watts Riots (Watts neighborhood, Los Angeles, California)
* 1966: Division Street Riots (Humboldt Park neighborhood, Chicago, Illinois)
* 1966: Hough Riots (Hough community, Cleveland, Ohio)
* 1966: North Omaha, Nebraska (North Omaha community, Omaha, Nebraska)
* Long Hot Summer of 1967
o 1967: Tampa Riots, (Tampa, Florida)
o 1967: Texas Southern University Riot (Houston, Texas)
o 1967: 1967 Detroit riot (Detroit, Michigan)
o 1967: Buffalo riot (Buffalo, New York)
o 1967: Milwaukee Riot (Milwaukee, Wisconsin)
o 1967: Minneapolis North Side Riots (Minneapolis, Minnesota)
o 1967: 1967 Newark riots (Newark, New Jersey)
o 1967: Plainfield riots (Plainfield, New Jersey)
* Protests of 1968
* 1968: Orangeburg massacre (Orangeburg, South Carolina)
* 1968: Nationwide riots following the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr.
o 1968: Baltimore riot of 1968 (Baltimore, Maryland)
o 1968: Chicago (April 1968) (Chicago, Illinois)
o 1968: Louisville riots of 1968 (Louisville, Kentucky)
o 1968: 1968 Washington, D.C. riots (Washington, D.C.)
* 1969: 1969 York Race Riot (York, Pennsylvania)
* 1970: May 11th Race Riot (Augusta, Georgia)
* 1970: Jackson State killings (Jackson, Mississippi)
* 1971: Camden Riots (Camden, New Jersey)
* 1972-1977: Escambia High School riots (Pensacola, Florida)
* 1975: Chaffey High School Race Riot enhanced by local sniper (Ontario, California)
* 1978: Houston’s Moody Park on the first anniversary of Joe Campos Torres death.

Modern Period 1980 – 2009

# 1980: Miami Riots (Miami, Florida)
# 1980: Chattanooga Riot (Chattanooga, Tennessee)
# 1984: Lawrence, Massachusetts Race Riot: A small scale riot centered at the intersection of Haverhill and railroad streets between working class whites and Hispanics; several buildings were destroyed by Molotov cocktails; August 8, 1984.[52]
# 1989: Overtown Riot (Miami, FL) In a reaction to the shooting of a black motorcyclist by a Hispanic police officer in the predominately black community of Overtown in Miami, residents rioted for two nights. The officer was later found guilty of manslaughter.
# 1991: Crown Heights riot (Crown Heights neighborhood, Brooklyn, New York City)
# 1992: Los Angeles Riots (Los Angeles, California): In a reaction to the acquittal of all four LAPD officers involved in the videotaped beating of Rodney King and the murder of Latasha Harlins; riots broke out mainly involving black youths in the black neighborhoods and shop owners in Korean neighborhoods, but overall rioting was mainly to get out the frustrations of the racial groups over the racial tensions that were building in the South Central neighborhood for years[citation needed].
* 1996: St. Petersburg Riots (St. Petersburg, Florida): After Officer Jim Knight stopped 18 yr. old Tyron Lewis for speeding, his car lurched forward and Knight fired his weapon, fatally wounding the black teenager. Riots broke out and lasted for about 2 days.[citation needed]
* 2001: Cincinnati riots (Cincinnati, Ohio): In a reaction to the acquittal of Steven Roach after the fatal shooting of an unarmed young black male, Timothy Thomas, during a foot pursuit, riots broke out over the span of a few days.
* 2003: Benton Harbor riots (Benton Harbor, Michigan)
* 2005: 2005 Toledo Riot (Toledo, Ohio): A race riot that broke out after the Neo-Nazi protest marched through a black neighborhood.
* 2006: Fontana High School riot (Fontana, California): Riot involving about 500 Latino and black students[53]
* 2006: Prison Race Riots (California): A war between Latino and black prison gangs set off a series of riots across California[54][55]
* 2008: Locke High School riot[56] (Los Angeles, California)
* 2009: 2009 Oakland Riots (Oakland, California): Peaceful protests turned into rioting after the fatal shooting of an unarmed black man, Oscar Grant, by a BART transit policeman.

Post Modern Period 2010 – Present

2010 Occupy Movement was not included since the Occupy Movement is not based in Racial Inequality but economic inequality.

workingclass artist on July 16, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Holder == Racist

kirkill on July 16, 2013 at 11:47 AM

African-Americans understand that there is a higher justice than the old-fashioned rule of law kind and will come out with a correct verdict accordingly, just as they did in the O.J. Simpson case.

Burke on July 16, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Um, WHAT ?

Jabberwock on July 16, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Trayvon Martin shooting

Al Sharpton announces rallies in 100 cities Saturday to push for civil rights charges in Trayvon Martin death – @AP

26 secs ago from http://www.washingtonpost.com by editor
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sharpton-to-rally-in-100-cities-to-push-for-civil-rights-charges-in-trayvon-martin-death/2013/07/16/c9e82544-ee2a-11e2-bb32-725c8351a69e_story.html

canopfor on July 16, 2013 at 11:50 AM

civil rights?

Trayvon was not civil. He was a dope smoking, jewel thieving, women abusing, racist thug.

kirkill on July 16, 2013 at 11:53 AM

canopfor on July 16, 2013 at 11:50 AM

But will Sharpton use the words “white interloper” and deny responsibility for any shootings and arson committed by his followers? All signs point to ‘yes’.

Fenris on July 16, 2013 at 11:55 AM

DoJ will demur, Pelosi and Reid see need for new legislation, which will be held up by US House of Reps, just in time for it to be used in 2014.

All according to plan.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on July 16, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Whatever happened to the Post Racial meme of the OFA Young Pioneers…

workingclass artist on July 16, 2013 at 12:00 PM

What I wouldn’t give to hear Obama continually referred to as a “White-African American”. Only seems right, donchathink?

BettyRuth on July 16, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Make that “black Caucasian,” because you have to place the race first which the media want people to remember, just like they did with “white Hispanic.”

Christien on July 16, 2013 at 12:00 PM

civil rights?

Trayvon was not civil. He was a dope smoking, jewel thieving, women abusing, racist thug.

kirkill on July 16, 2013 at 11:53 AM

No…see…cause the race baiters are sayin’ and writing that Trayvon was stalked and Zimmerman started the fight and then shot an unarmed kid who was defending himself from a creepy ass cracka cause Trayvon was standin’ his ground with his fists and now black teenagers aren’t safe anymore cause we’re all racists now and it’s open season on young black men or something…

workingclass artist on July 16, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Go ahead Holder, then we’ll watch the defense and public opinion send you to the trash heap.

rplat on July 16, 2013 at 12:10 PM

The leaders of the race industry including Sharpton and Jesse Jackpot are constantly talking about the need for a serious discussion about race. What they really mean is that they want to lecture you on just how much of a racist you are.

Happy Nomad on July 16, 2013 at 11:34 AM

This^^^

Liam on July 16, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Yep, including the REB. When he says ‘a conversation’ he means “I’m going to give a speech and you are going to shut up and listen.”

slickwillie2001 on July 16, 2013 at 12:12 PM

The riots will continue if he don’t and will crank back up if he does and finds no charges are warranted.The right to riot is assureduntil morale improves.

docflash on July 16, 2013 at 10:53 AM

NBPP cut and paste.

Barnestormer on July 16, 2013 at 12:15 PM

canopfor on July 16, 2013 at 11:50 AM

But will Sharpton use the words “white interloper” and deny responsibility for any shootings and arson committed by his followers? All signs point to ‘yes’.

Fenris on July 16, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Fenris:

MSNBC has his Presser Video,of alot of choice words from various
Leftys of the Church!

Oh,he said its been “Peaceful Protests”!:)

canopfor on July 16, 2013 at 12:20 PM

When has the law ever gotten in the way of this admin?

Akzed on July 16, 2013 at 10:45 AM

In their minds, this admin IS the law. Until someone effectively proves differently.

hawkeye54 on July 16, 2013 at 12:20 PM

As an appeasement to the angry masses,I predict Eric H. to re-visit gun control. B.H.O. will ask the folks to back him on this, as it’s for Trayvon.

aceinstall on July 16, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Ya know the old saying “Never let a crisis go to waste.”

The Left will never give up on gun control and will seize every opportunity, this being one, to attempt to severely limit the use of and eventually seize our guns. It must have the responsible and knowledgeable members of the masses give up their guns. The sooner the better for the Left.

hawkeye54 on July 16, 2013 at 12:28 PM

How the 1960s’ Riots Hurt African-Americans

workingclass artist on July 16, 2013 at 11:36 AM

We had riots in Cincinnati around 2002. White cop kills a black kid in a dark alley, 10 misdemeanor warrants, no felony warrants, runs, stops, turns around quickly, cop feels threatened, kills him.

After the riots, the cops stepped back, for obvious reasons, and black on black crime went up. More black kids died because of it. Dozens more. Lives lost.

Where are the leaders to say, this is how you act when confronted by the police. Not just black leaders or community leaders, but ANYONE in the public eye with a voice. Simple guidelines. It frustrates me.

Paul-Cincy on July 16, 2013 at 12:29 PM

We had riots in Cincinnati around 2002. White cop kills a black kid in a dark alley, 10 misdemeanor warrants, no felony warrants, runs, stops, turns around quickly, cop feels threatened, kills him.

After the riots, the cops stepped back, for obvious reasons, and black on black crime went up. More black kids died because of it. Dozens more. Lives lost.

Where are the leaders to say, this is how you act when confronted by the police. Not just black leaders or community leaders, but ANYONE in the public eye with a voice. Simple guidelines. It frustrates me.

Paul-Cincy on July 16, 2013 at 12:29 PM

* 2001: Cincinnati riots (Cincinnati, Ohio): In a reaction to the acquittal of Steven Roach after the fatal shooting of an unarmed young black male, Timothy Thomas, during a foot pursuit, riots broke out over the span of a few days.

workingclass artist on July 16, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Ha! I didn’t see your post before I posted. But the effect of the riots were to get more black kids killed. I will cynically say, as long as it’s black on black crime, then I guess it’s OK.

There was a multi-million dollar settlement. I understand such race-baiting is mostly about power and money. A million dollars is chump change.

Paul-Cincy on July 16, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Ya’ll don get it. Every time Government prosecutes, new facts get created, see?

‘Bout seven trials from now, George will be found guilty of instituting slavery in the 1600′s. Angela Corey herself will test the new DNA uncovered by Al Sharpton that was bagged by Bernie de la Rionda himself. John Guy will get a new dummy. Judge Nelson will new hair. The media will get a new app called Get Zimmerman to work together more effectively to Get Zimmerman.

And Creepy Azz Cracker is a Skittles flavor, haters. The White Skittle.

LetsBfrank on July 16, 2013 at 12:47 PM

They will milk this as long as possible. What has been said of the Benghazi, IRS, DOJ, NSA scandles while this been going on? Nada.

TerryW on July 16, 2013 at 12:47 PM

DoJ sending trial balloon about demurring on going into another crowded theater and yelling, “Fire!”. Don’t look for cooler heads, they’ve been replaced. Just hope their twisted math shows them enough negatives to idle their already blood soaked hands.

onomo on July 16, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Zimmerman was first referred to a “White” then he became “Hispanic” then we were told that this “Half-peruvian” and finally that the “White Guy” got off. If that ain’t irresponsible reporting race baiting, what is. The other thing is “Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black 17-year-old”, heck he was on top of Zimmerman and armed with a side walk, banging his head into it. Zimmerman was just a split second from heaving his brains pored out on “The Side Walk”. Martin was not a little angle. But the public is not being told at all about this. This smells like the Federal Government (The Democrats) are fanning this to get political milage. At the expense of the truth. They do not care who gets hurt or how many may die or what it will cost all of “ We The People” after all we are all flowers on the garland of “We The People”.

jpcpt03 on July 16, 2013 at 12:53 PM

African-Americans understand that there is a higher justice than the old-fashioned rule of law kind and will come out with a correct verdict accordingly, just as they did in the O.J. Simpson case.

Burke on July 16, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Um, WHAT ?

Jabberwock on July 16, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Jabberwock, there are two kinds of justice running on parallel courses in our country at this point. One is a “rule of law” justice. The other is social justice, which is by many considered a higher law. The black jurors in the O. J. Simpson case sent a message to the country which went beyond evidence and the rule of law; I think black jurors have the potential to do the same in any upcoming Zimmerman case.

Burke on July 16, 2013 at 12:57 PM

The FBI talked to 35 people who know Zimmerman personally, and found no cause to believe he’s a racist.

Liam

And it wouldn’t matter if they had. He could be the biggest racist in the world and there STILL wouldn’t be any evidence proving(or even hinting)he killed TM because he was black. Last I checked, as despicable as they are, racists have the right to defend themselves when attacked by someone…even if that someone is black.

Meanwhile, thanks to his illiterate girlfriend, we know TM was racist.

Which means what exactly?

onomo

It means Jesse Jackson is an idiot. GZ was the one on trial, meaning he was the one entitled to a jury of his peers, not TM

xblade on July 16, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Last night on CNN, Rachel Jeantel explained to Piers Morgan how she warned her childhood friend that Zimmerman — could be a gay rapist!

Drudge: JEANTEL WARNED ZIMMERMAN COULD BE GAY RAPIST http://drudgereport.com/flashrj.htm

petefrt on July 16, 2013 at 1:08 PM

But the effect of the riots were to get more black kids killed. I will cynically say, as long as it’s black on black crime, then I guess it’s OK.

There was a multi-million dollar settlement. I understand such race-baiting is mostly about power and money. A million dollars is chump change.

Paul-Cincy on July 16, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Yep!

Al Sharpton and Jesse livin’ large is what matters to them…Obama just followed the manual…

workingclass artist on July 16, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Wanna watch them backpedal and spin, spin, spin…

…millions of Americans outraged that an unarmed teen baby was shot stabbed at the base of the skull until dead, without any criminal penalty imposed on the man who pulled the trigger performed the abortion.

See how quickly they change their tune.

It’s not about justice. It’s about being able to kill the right kind of people.

dominigan on July 16, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Last night on CNN, Rachel Jeantel explained to Piers Morgan how she warned her childhood friend that Zimmerman — could be a gay rapist!

Drudge: JEANTEL WARNED ZIMMERMAN COULD BE GAY RAPIST http://drudgereport.com/flashrj.htm

petefrt on July 16, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Yep!

Jeantel keeps trying to justify Trayvon’s Delusional Gay Panic and her part in it.

Can’t fix the stupid…especially when they cling to the stupid.

workingclass artist on July 16, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Trial is over and is time to move on. No case here, Eric.

Amazingoly on July 16, 2013 at 1:20 PM

What is sickening to me is that an entire country can be held hostage and put in fear by a handful of race baiters/hustlers like Al Sharpton.

“Oh, my! We gotta find an innocent man guilty or else people will riot!”

Liam

And then these same clowns will turn around and yell “Free Mumia“, lol.

xblade on July 16, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Throat Wobbler Mangrove

I thought that was spelled “Luxury-Yacht”.

Hucklebuck on July 16, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Nudge nudge, wink wink. Say no more!

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on July 16, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Well, Trayvon Martin didn’t get a jury of his peers, says Jesse Jackson. You just can’t make this stuff up.

Fenris on July 16, 2013 at 11:02 AM

The defendant is tried before a jury of the victim’s peers? He has absolutely no understanding of how the judicial system works.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on July 16, 2013 at 1:43 PM

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