Carney on Obama’s erstwhile opposition to Senate filibuster changes: Yeah, but that was different

posted at 6:01 pm on July 12, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

In the Green Room this afternoon, Guy highlighted now-President Obama’s adamant opposition to the “nuclear option” of altering Senate procedures to limit minority rights back in 2005, and his bizarre reversal from said position in the present day and age. Invoking the nuclear option, said 2005-era Sen. Obama, would have marked the “end of democratic debate”; indeed, the “fighting and the gridlock would only get worse,” his former self pronounced with conviction. So… what is it that’s changed, exactly?

When asked about this rather conspicuous one-eighty during the White House press briefing earlier today, Press Secretary Jay Carney protested that “the world today is quite different from how it was in 2005.” …Uhm? Via RCP:

The president said in 2012 in the State of the Union Address, “some of what ‘s broken has to with the way Congress does its business these days. A simple majority is no longer enough to get anything, even routine business passed in the Senate. Neither party has been blameless in these tactics, now both parties should put an end to it. For starters, I asked the Senate to pass a simple rule that all judicial and public service nominations receive a simple up or down vote in the Senate within 90 days. Unfortunately that recommendation has not been taken up by the Republicans leadership in the Senate. Contained within those remarks that the president made in the well of the House, the State of the Union address, was an acknowledgement that this is a problem that existed when, has been exacerbated in some ways by both parties. But there is no question that the world today is quite different from how it was in 2005, when it comes to this issue in the Senate. The way that it’s been done and the obstructionism that we’ve seen from Republican leaders in the Senate, and Republicans members in the Senate. It is not the same and it is a real problem. When it comes to Senator Reid, we differ to him on Senate procedure. But we appreciate the support he’s given and will give to the confirmation of the president’s qualified nominees.

So, during the George W. Bush era, wherein Democrats were installed in the minority role and actively used the aforementioned tactics to prevent some of Bush’s appointments to which they were opposed… how is that “not the same”? I’m still not getting it.


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It’s not the same because it was the Dimocrats doing it. That’s ok. The Repubes doing it, not so much.

What part of do as I say, not as I do, don’t you understand? Its been the golden rule of this administration since the very start.

Meople on July 12, 2013 at 6:05 PM

When will the Republicans learn that THEY are the only one playing by the rules. Obama and the Democrats just do what they want with impunity. Obama chooses which parts of laws to implement? No problem. Democrats use illegal procedure to pass a bill that a huge majority of Americans hate? No problem. Democrats unleash the nuclear option. Okay, that’s fine too. With spines like these, it’s a miracle the Republicans have the bone-muscle leverage necessary to move.

Hannibal on July 12, 2013 at 6:10 PM

It’s “different” because Democrats have an amazing ability to shape their principles based on whatever goal they seek at a given point in time.

In a more rational world, sane people would instantly call out such behaviour as just one more example of the end justifies the means principle.

Because if that is what makes a Democrat “principled”, then to the last one, they are all “principled” in droves…

Wanderlust on July 12, 2013 at 6:13 PM

This man is such a eunuch.

If he were not an actual man, Ayn Rand would have to have invented him.

turfmann on July 12, 2013 at 6:13 PM

I’m still not getting it.

Hypocrisy – it’s what liberalism is built on.

BTW don’t bother trying to figure it out, you’ll end with same result as eating homemade ice cream too fast.

antipc on July 12, 2013 at 6:14 PM

It’s different because a Democrat is in the White House and the Democrat Party controls the Senate. The world will yet again be a different place should the GOP control Congress come 2017 with President Ted Cruz or Rick Perry in the White House.

Doughboy on July 12, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Hannibal on July 12, 2013 at 6:10 PM

The problem with Republicans is, their understanding of what constitutes “principled” these days is that it is whatever they can do to remain a toothless minority party, offering voters nice sounding political pablum without actually standing for anything at all.

To turn a phrase from Jay Tea who used to post at Wizbang!, Republicans never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

Rev. Will B. Dunn would call them “weenies”. Apt.

Wanderlust on July 12, 2013 at 6:20 PM

So… what is it that’s changed, exactly?

You might say that King Barry as “evolved” once again.

GarandFan on July 12, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Like any other issue, the Left tenaciously cling to their principles until they decide not to.

Rich H on July 12, 2013 at 6:22 PM

Team GOP Counter-Threats………………

The Hill ‏@thehill 11 Jul

Nuclear fallout: GOP vows no legislation will pass Senate until after the next election http://j.mp/14LYCmz
============================================

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/310543-nuclear-fallout-gop-vows-no-legislation-will-pass-senate

canopfor on July 12, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Do you get the feeling that the Democrats believe they’re going to have a permanent majority in everything forever, and so they don’t care about the rule of law, or the Constitution, or Congressional procedure, or any of that old dead white men stuff anymore?

RebeccaH on July 12, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Nuclear FallOut by Team Mitch………………

The Hill ‏@thehill 11 Jul

Team McConnell tweets picture of Harry Reid’s ‘tombstone’ http://j.mp/12pGzmJ by @joneasley

http://thehill.com/blogs/twitter-room/other-news/310553-team-mcconnell-tweets-picture-of-harry-reids-tombstone?utm_source=buffer&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=buffer7511e&utm_medium=twitter
==========================================

https://twitter.com/Team_Mitch/status/355422902578978816/photo/1

canopfor on July 12, 2013 at 6:26 PM

**************** HippyCrits ********************!!!

The Dems that is!

canopfor on July 12, 2013 at 6:28 PM

“To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which canceled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget, whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself” ~George Orwell

wytshus on July 12, 2013 at 6:29 PM

…the guy should just go up there with his pants off….before he takes or answers any questions!

KOOLAID2 on July 12, 2013 at 6:30 PM

But there is no question that the world today is quite different from how it was in 2005, when it comes to this issue in the Senate.

So in 2005, “a simple rule that all judicial and public service nominations receive a simple up or down vote in the Senate” equates to the “end of democratic debate”

In 2013, “a simple rule that all judicial and public service nominations receive a simple up or down vote in the Senate” equates to “democratic debate”.

Got it.

Like everything else in the last 4 plus years, logic and consistency have been redefined.

Bitter Clinger on July 12, 2013 at 6:30 PM

It’s a very different world. The Democrats are near their final demographic victory. They just need a few GOP reps to come over and boom permanent majority. One way or the other we are nearing the end of the two party era.

DFCtomm on July 12, 2013 at 6:31 PM

If you don’t see what’s changed, that means RACIST! RACIST! RACIST!

Tom Servo on July 12, 2013 at 6:33 PM

I just wish one day someone who gave a damn in that room would scream “Quit lying to the American People!” or something more eloquent…

That dude, would become a hero overnight for generations…

Alinsky on July 12, 2013 at 6:35 PM

Obama and company would okay a Presidential executive order making Obama to be President for life and Michelle to be known as the “President’s Queen”.

albill on July 12, 2013 at 6:38 PM

Clearly it’s not the same this time because shut up.

Stu Gotts on July 12, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Simply put the goose is more equal than the gander.

Grunt on July 12, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Team GOP Counter-Threats………………

The Hill ‏@thehill 11 Jul

Nuclear fallout: GOP vows no legislation will pass Senate until after the next election http://j.mp/14LYCmz
============================================

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/310543-nuclear-fallout-gop-vows-no-legislation-will-pass-senate

canopfor on July 12, 2013 at 6:23 PM

I’m sorry, but this threat means exactly squat, SQUAT.

Because Obamnesty and his accomplices in the Senate have ALREADY gotten every they could have possibly dreamed of getting.

Stimulus payoff to the unions.
ObamaScare.
Largest tax hike in history.
ObamaScare.
Amnesty.
ObamaScare.

I’m sure I’m leaving some out in my anti-Dimocrat rage.

Even if Obama doesn’t get another other law he wants out of the Senate for the next 3 years. He will STILL have been the single most successful President in terms of lurching the nation toward Socialism than any other President in our history.

So the Repubes in the Senate can say anything they want, the damage is already done.

America as it was founded is in its last days.

Meople on July 12, 2013 at 6:48 PM

This is completely different because back then it was a republican senate and president.

We need to understand that democrats are just plain evil. They will do anything, say anything to get power and enrich themselves. If we continue to bring knives to gun fights the country is lost.

jukin3 on July 12, 2013 at 6:49 PM

New Steyn…

A Dagger at the Heart of Justice

Resist We Much on July 12, 2013 at 6:51 PM

It’s a done deal. The Democrats will change the rules, and in December 2013 and 2014 they will ram through as much as possible with a simple majority. Oh, you thought this would apply only to nominees? You so crazy.

madmonkphotog on July 12, 2013 at 7:20 PM

You see, it all depends on whose boar ate the cabbage.
Now do you understand?

countrybumpkin on July 12, 2013 at 7:26 PM

RWM — great site — that is all…………

nchammer on July 12, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Hypocrisy, it’s what’s for dinner…and breakfast…and lunch…and the occasional midnight snack.

Moose Drool on July 12, 2013 at 7:40 PM

As to whether the Dems are lying hypocrites, we should ask Supreme Court Justice Miguel Estrada for comment.

matthew8787 on July 12, 2013 at 7:42 PM

How is this different? Gee, racist much?

Bru on July 12, 2013 at 8:14 PM

When Obama repeatedly violated the constitutional requirementto take care that the laws be faithfully executed, and the republican house did nothingthe U.S. as we knew it was lost.

tngmv on July 12, 2013 at 9:36 PM

If only those gol-darned Democrats would stop obstructing the Republican initiatives. Those Democrats just will not work with the Republicans. They have adopted a “no way, no how” strategy for everything that the Republicans propose. What a bunch of obstructionists! Why can’t they admit that they are wrong, and let the nation move forward?

ss396 on July 12, 2013 at 11:10 PM

This man is such a eunuch.

If he were not an actual man, Ayn Rand would have to have invented him.

turfmann on July 12, 2013 at 6:13 PM

And some day when he’s no longer in this position he’ll go to work for some think tank, university system, a political action non-profit group, or even a company or a bank making far more than he is now.

He has that smirk on his face because he knows it.

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 12, 2013 at 11:11 PM

As long as dickless cretins like Bohner and McCain are the TITular LEADERs of the ‘loyal opposition’, we as a populus hoping (nay, earnestly praying) for meaningfull leadership are phucked.

When King Putt leaves office the Republicans will be trying to locate their asses with mirrors and flashlights.

Will SOMEONE PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE step up and offer some friggin’ LEADERSHIP! Anyone? Buller, Buller?

Missilengr on July 13, 2013 at 12:26 AM

The child is a paid liar. What do you expect him to do besides lie?

Humphrey on July 13, 2013 at 8:37 AM

When it comes to Senator Reid, we differ to him on Senate procedure.

I’ll bet you meant to write “defer” there, hmmm?

dissent555 on July 13, 2013 at 10:29 AM

Bagdad Bob Carney

serenity on July 13, 2013 at 10:38 AM

With Democrats it’s always about whose ox is being gored.

bflat879 on July 13, 2013 at 1:12 PM