Poll: Obama hits new low on foreign policy, thanks to heavy opposition to intervening in Syria

posted at 11:21 am on July 11, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via National Journal. Alternate headline: “Blogger surprised to find public actually paying attention to foreign policy.”

I’m trapped in a bubble of frenetic news-reading so it’s hard for me to tell when a story penetrates the public consciousness. Did the White House’s announcement that it was planning to ship weapons to the rebels really make waves as large as this? I don’t remember O himself talking much about Syria in any high-profile appearances lately. The big announcement about intervention, in fact, was relegated to a statement from the White House press shop and a conference call with some of his national-security advisors. He’s been lying low, as much as a president can. Given everything else that’s been going on, I would have guessed that there’d be barely a ripple in his job approval on foreign policy.

And yet, here we are:

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In May, he was at 47/43 on foreign policy. He’s never been at 50+% disapproval in Quinnipiac before. He still has some support here from his base — Democrats, young voters, black voters — but when you ask specifically about his policy of sending arms to the Syrian rebels, this happens:

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Underwater, deeply, across the board — 19 points among Democrats and young voters, fully 25 points among blacks. An interesting wrinkle: On the broader question of whether people approve of his handling of Syria, he’s underwater there too at 33/48 but enjoys 58 percent support among Democrats and 51 percent support among blacks. (Young voters still disapprove, though.) Maybe I’m right in thinking that the news of O’s decision to send arms hasn’t penetrated that deeply, then. His base might assume that he’s handling the situation well without knowing exactly what his policy is; when you ask them specifically about that policy, though, he craters. That’s ominous news for O in that it suggests he’s still got a ways to fall if U.S. intervention ends up becoming a more prominent news story and his base starts to peel off. See now why I suspect that he’s not too broken up about Congress’s intel committees putting the brakes on his weapons plans?

One other interesting wrinkle is that the public’s fine with directly intervening in Syria if it involves only unmanned weapons like drones and cruise missiles. That splits 49/38, with Republicans taking the lead in support at 58 percent. There is, I guess, some logic in thinking that intervention’s more acceptable if weapons remain in American hands and no American lives are put at risk, but when you ask people if they think intervening in Syria is in the interest of the United States, the split is 27/61 with just 26 percent of Republicans saying yes. Why support drone strikes against Assad if you think we shouldn’t be there in the first place? Maybe it’s just a byproduct of the public’s comfort with drone warfare after 10 years: They’ve gotten used to the feds whacking bad guys (and civilians, as collateral damage) from the air in Pakistan and Yemen. Why would they put up a fuss about doing it in Syria too?

Or maybe, despite all appearances, O’s deterioration on foreign policy doesn’t have much to do with Syria at all. Between U.S. haplessness in Egypt, halting negotiations with the Taliban in Afghanistan, and Obama’s continuing humiliation from the Snowden saga, maybe his decline in FP is a cumulative thing. Throw Scandalmania into the middle of all that and you’ve got lots of downward pressure on perceptions of Obama generally, which bleeds over into foreign policy. On the more basic question of whether people view Obama to be honest and trustworthy, he’s down to 50/44 — slightly better than where he was in May but still several points lower than where he’s been traditionally. Likewise, on his bread-and-butter metric of whether voters think he cares about the needs of people like them, he’s down to 52/45 — also a new low for him, just like in foreign policy. People are losing patience with Hopenchange generally, so now when he screws up on foreign policy, he doesn’t have as much of a cushion. And the more people read stories like this, the worse it’ll get.

Update: What do you suppose this Quinnipiac poll will do to legislators who are already doggedly skeptical of intervention?


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I’m trapped in a bubble of frenetic news-reading

Funny prose you got there.

faraway on July 11, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Obviously, Americans are still very racist and Islamophobic. /

Liam on July 11, 2013 at 11:24 AM

I’m trapped in a bubble of frenetic news-reading

Just admit that you haven’t stopped watching the Sharknado trailer. It’s easier than lying to us.

nobar on July 11, 2013 at 11:25 AM

I hope he`s close to an epic, public melt-down.

ThePrez on July 11, 2013 at 11:25 AM

His usefulness is almost up, it’s getting close to the time when the media needs to start pumping up a new messiah.

Flange on July 11, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Any polls out on Valerie?

a capella on July 11, 2013 at 11:29 AM

I hope he`s close to an epic, public melt-down.

ThePrez on July 11, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Yeah, I know what you mean. A good old fashioned, messy, come apart at the seams kinda thing, on prime time TV. Complete with crying, rage, racial invective, and profanity.

a capella on July 11, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Name one f***ing country abroad who is better off with Failure in Chief at the helm–Iran? Egypt? Libya? Syria? Turkey? Poland?, etc…

Hillsoftx guest posting for Schadenfreude :)

hillsoftx on July 11, 2013 at 11:35 AM

I hope he`s close to an epic, public melt-down.

ThePrez on July 11, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Not likely. It serves to make him angrier at the ignorant masses who fail to fully appreciate his brilliance as our Imperial President(tm) and dare to go on record in expressing negative opinions about his policies and actions instead of worshiping his very countenance in awe and humility.

Besides, hes got the FBI, IRS and NSA collecting data so these ungrateful whiners can be dealt with in the appropriate manner at the appropriate time.

hawkeye54 on July 11, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Somebody better get in our faces right away.

forest on July 11, 2013 at 11:38 AM

“Blogger surprised to find public actually paying attention to foreign policy.”

You’re telling me. I’m still in disbelief.

abobo on July 11, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Foreign policy?

The Dear Liar actually has something in the way of a foreign policy?

Galt2009 on July 11, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Name one f***ing country abroad who is better off with Failure in Chief at the helm–Iran? Egypt? Libya? Syria? Turkey? Poland?, etc…

Hillsoftx guest posting for Schadenfreude :)

hillsoftx on July 11, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Well, that all depends on your interpretation of “better off”. Its gotta be about 180 degrees difference from Barry’s interpretation.

hawkeye54 on July 11, 2013 at 11:40 AM

I’m trapped in a bubble of frenetic news-reading so it’s hard for me to tell when a story penetrates the public consciousness
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Lol,….try to watch the Twitter News Feeds:-:O

canopfor on July 11, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Name one f***ing country abroad who is better off with Failure in Chief at the helm–Iran? Egypt? Libya? Syria? Turkey? Poland?, etc…

Hillsoftx guest posting for Schadenfreude :)

hillsoftx on July 11, 2013 at 11:35 AM

China seems to be doing well. And, while I’m not sure if I’d say that Russia is, certainly Putin is enjoying having Obama in office.

Chris of Rights on July 11, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Let’s hope that those failed Republicans that helped obama craft and/or have thrown their full support behind obama’s Syria plan (Rubio, McCain, Graham, et al), suffer consequences as well.

Pork-Chop on July 11, 2013 at 11:42 AM

That video of those radical Islamists in Syria, beheading those priests while the crowd cheered on, definitely strengthened, opposition to any intervention in Syria. And that video did eventually reach even low info voters.

So that may be a factor in these numbers. (Not Obama’s approval rating)

Raquel Pinkbullet on July 11, 2013 at 11:42 AM

The GOP and the Dems both support this Bushie-HopeyChangie stuff.

Anything to keep spending.

kunegetikos on July 11, 2013 at 11:43 AM

His overall approval in RCP is down to about -6. He got as low as -10.2 in 2011, so still some room to fall before a new low water mark.

However, last December he was at +12.3. I doubt anyone in the White House is excited about an 18 point drop in 7 months.

Chris of Rights on July 11, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Can any nice folks from South Carolina, enlighten us as to why Lindsey Gramnesty, is NOT facing a serious primary challenge?

How is he not vulnerable in deep red South Carolina? Or is cap and betray, neo-conism, and amnesty popular in South Carolina?

Raquel Pinkbullet on July 11, 2013 at 11:45 AM

I don’t remember O himself talking much about Syria in any high-profile appearances lately.
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Exactly,Hopey is too busy,entertaining!

White House announces President Obama will host Vietnam’s president on July 25; agenda includes human rights, climate change – @NBCNews

2 hours ago by editor
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canopfor on July 11, 2013 at 11:47 AM

I think it is more of a lack of any single policy when it comes to the Middle East. Syria is just one example where they haven’t been consistent. The “Red Line” has long been crossed, yet Obama seems like he doesn’t want to do anything.

BigGator5 on July 11, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Results for syria

https://twitter.com/search?q=syria

canopfor on July 11, 2013 at 11:52 AM

I don’t remember O himself talking much about Syria in any high-profile appearances lately.

That’s because Obama uses surrogates like McCain and the IRS any place he might get his hands dirty. They give him cover, that ‘culpable deniability’ thing. I the meantime, the lapdog media continue to sing Obama’s praises while making him a ‘victim of racist America’.

Liam on July 11, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Poll: Obama hits new low on foreign policy, thanks to heavy opposition to intervening in Syria

So, his new low has nothing to do with the fact that he:

o Aided Al ’9/11′ Qaeda-backed rebels take over Libya, creating a new Safe haven for them and other terrorists?

o Hired Al ’9/11′ Qaeda-backed rebels to protect Ambassador Stevens…FROM AL QAEDA…rather than using U.S. military/personnel to protect him

o REFUSED to provide Stevens additional security after that militia notified they State Dept they would no longer protect him, after 2 previous terrorist attacks on his compound, after Al Qaeda calls for Stevens’ death in retaliation for a Libyan-born al Qaeda being killed 2 months earlier, after Stevens warned of the increasing Al Qaeda presence in Benghazi & the 10 new terrorist training camps there, & after warning if there was a 3rd attack without more security he would die

o Went AWOL on 9/11/12 – the anniversary of 9/11 – while 20 US Embassies were attacked throughout the Middle East & while Ambassador Stevens, the 1st Ambassador to be murdered in 3 decades, was killed and dragged through the streets of Benghazi..and while 2 Americans were betrayed/abandoned to die as they fought for their lives while waiting for help that would never come due to 2 ‘Stand down’ orders to response teams preparing to go to Benghazi to help..and the continuous on-going cover-up

o Helping oust Mubarak, helping put the terrorist Group the Muslim Brotherhood in power in Egypt, giving them billions, giving them 24 new F-16 fighters and 200 new tanks, bypassing Congress’ legislation preventing any more money from going to the Brotherhood & giving them another $1.5 Billion anyway (just before the coup), and going ahead and sending MORE (free) fighters to Egypt…

After all of that I would have thought his poll numbers regarding his disastrous and traitorous foreign policies & blunders could not get any lower!

easyt65 on July 11, 2013 at 11:59 AM

The man floats on a cloud of racial solidarity and white guilt. Incredible.

Mason on July 11, 2013 at 12:01 PM

His base might assume that he’s handling the situation well without knowing exactly what his policy is….

His base is made up of low-info voters. Not only do they not “know” was his policy is…….they don’t care.

As long as they continue to get “free” stuff.

GarandFan on July 11, 2013 at 12:03 PM

Lesson for the GOP: Don’t listen to hardcore Neo-cons like McCain.

This is a universal political law: Americans don’t want to be involved in the Islamic world. If they have to be involved they want it to limited as possible and quick as possible. They don’t want nation building, they don’t want democracy projects, they don’t want to arm jihadist fighting other jihadist, they don’t want to save kings, they don’t want to save Islam, they don’t want to send money to that part of the world…we want out and we don’t want them coming over here either. Most Americans, even the low info voting idiots, understand the place is a money sinkhole that eats lives and time.

It does not matter if you are Obama, Bush, Clinton, Conservative, Progressive…you start talking nonsense about getting involved in another Islamic adventure that we do not have to be involved in your poll numbers will take a big hit.

This is why I will not vote for Rubio or Bush. They don’t understand this truth.

William Eaton on July 11, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Obama could eat a live dog in the Rose Garden and his approval wouldn’t drop below 40%.

He’s not the Teflon president. We just have a horrible electorate.

happytobehere on July 11, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Hmmmmm……

Stop the killing: Give Assad his win
July 10, 2013, 7:33 pm
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(Exercpts)

Not only did the Syrian insurgents think they could briskly knock Assad off his perch, so did a lot of Western governments

who found the delicious Arab Spring narrative more palatable than the skeptical grumblings of people who know the region’s history. They, we, have been disappointed. The insurgents were useless at insurgency; and so even with cash arriving from Qatar by the lorry-load, they were thrashed again and again.
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Now the best endgame that the West can imagine is a Balkanized Syria:

a Sunni entity that will be sponsored by Qatar and the Saudis and that will resist Tehran, an Alawite enclave sentenced in advance to poverty and dependence, and a thick slice of Kurdistan which will be artificially divided from Iraqi Kurdistan and which will somehow be accepted by the Turks and Iraq’s Shiites. Also, a Hezbollah-dominated entity spanning the increasingly-irrelevant border between Lebanon and Syria. They envision one big happy super-Lebanon, probably to include Lebanon itself. It’s imaginative but implausible.
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The vision of a Syria without Assad is a beautiful idea,

but with a pile of almost 100,000 corpses stacked in Syria it is time to consider the best way to achieve that vision. Putting Western policy in the Eastern Mediterranean in the hands of proxies who are, to put it bluntly, neither as competent nor as amenable to authority as Hezbollah, is not the best way to achieve it.

We in the West encouraged Arabs to take up arms against their dictators,

and for that we bear responsibility. The mess which has resulted has been partly our responsibility, and partly the responsibility of those who have supported or joined the insurgency. Assad’s way to end the killing is to make a wilderness and call it peace. We should take responsibility for ending the killing before everyone in Syria is dead, and the only way to do it immediately is to switch off support for the rebels in Syria, and to arrange for their sponsors to withdraw and resettle them away from Assad’s clutches.
———-

By all means train and equip them and prepare them to return and overthrow Assad in a well-planned and well-coordinated stroke.

Build a gallows

for Assad and make sure he swings from it. But stop this preposterous bloodbath first.(More….)
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http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/stop-the-killing-give-assad-his-win/

canopfor on July 11, 2013 at 12:08 PM

William Eaton on July 11, 2013 at 12:05 PM

You’re right. It’s shocking how even die-hard Dem Obama supporters I know are virulently against any involvement in Islam. They don’t want to be thought of as islamaphobic, but they’d rather not be involved at all.

Basically, no one likes Islam, not even Muslims.

happytobehere on July 11, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Syria uprising

Britain’s parliament backs motion requiring PM Cameron to give it a veto over any future move to arm Syrian rebels – @Reuters

1 min ago by editor
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canopfor on July 11, 2013 at 12:27 PM

“I agree with the president” — Mitt Romney

I still think if Romney had been able to make a decent criticism of Obama’s foreign policy instead of claiming he was in agreement, he might have pulled out a win.

There Goes the Neighborhood on July 11, 2013 at 1:06 PM

easyt65 on July 11, 2013 at 11:59 AM

totally. Unbelievable isn’t it? Less than 1% of the population knows or cares about any of that tho’…

More people in Colorado are concerned that a 5% pot tax will cut into their Cheeto budget.

kirkill on July 11, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Edited for accuracy:

People Ignorant starry-eyed rubes who swallowed Obama’s uniquely poisonous brand of electoral bullshit hook line & sinker in the first place are losing patience with Hopenchange generally, so now when he screws up on foreign policy, he doesn’t have as much of a cushion.

Sacramento on July 11, 2013 at 1:35 PM

I think MO will lose it publically before BO.

ctmom on July 11, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Big deal. So he polls negatively against himself.

The same fools that were polled (only a fool responds to a pollster) would re-elect him today, tomorrow, next week, next month, next year, and in 2016 if another election were held.

Polling Obama is Fool’s Gold!

Did we not learn the lesson of 2012? I know I did.

Carnac on July 11, 2013 at 3:30 PM