Pew poll: Americans hate journalists, even more than they did four years ago

posted at 9:21 pm on July 11, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

In a Pew survey of Americans’ attitudes about occupations, journalists suffered the worst fall in the last four years while the military maintained its top position. Also interesting, and worth pondering for those in the national news who constantly harp on the GOP for its outreach to women, journalists seem to have a serious woman problem:

Compared with the ratings four years ago, journalists have dropped the most in public esteem. The share of the public saying that journalists contribute a lot to society is down 10 percentage points, from 38% in 2009 to 28% in 2013. The drop is particularly pronounced among women (down 17 points). About as many U.S. adults now say journalists contribute “not very much” or “nothing at all” to society (27%) as say they contribute a lot (28%).

Down 17 points among women over four years? Even Mitt Romney couldn’t come close to pulling that off. In seriousness, what caused the precipitous drop-off? There seems to be a very good opportunity for someone to figure this out and serve at least some of this currently poorly served market. Political news attracts a more male audience, in general, but maybe general news coverage just isn’t addressing economic worries women are facing or isn’t telling those stories in a way that appeals to them. Allow me to hope, for the sake of my gender, that the answer isn’t more Jody Arias-style coverage.

Not mentioned in the Pew story, but interesting and counterintuitive given the near-constant narrative of the last four years: business executive is the only occupation whose score went up since 2009. Granted, it’s only three points, from a paltry 21 percent who believe they contribute a lot to 24 percent, and it still resides near the bottom of the list, but it is curious that’s the one occupation trending upward as the last four years have taken a toll on every other category.

Journalists

If I didn’t know better, I’d say the profession of journalism is in serious danger of becoming a rump, regional profession, losing ground across all demographic groups and ending up a stale relic of a bygone era. Perhaps the GOP should be urging journalism’s rebranding as urgently as journalism is pushing the GOP’s. The GOP could even teach journalism a thing or two about keeping the 50+ crowd happy. Journalism lost ground across all age groups:

The decline in public views about journalists’ contribution to society since 2009 is more pronounced among women than men. Roughly three-in-ten women (29%) say journalists contribute a lot to society’s well-being, down 17 percentage points from 46% in 2009. Men’s views on this are about the same today as they were in 2009.

The decline in the perceived contribution of journalists cuts across partisan leanings, age and education level. Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents as well as Republicans and Republican-leaning independents all are less likely to say journalists contribute a lot to society’s well-being today (down 8 points among Republicans/leaning Republicans and 10 points among Democrats/leaning Democrats).

And, yes, I know I’m a media person in or near the journalism realm, and I’m happy to take my lumps. I think it’s healthy for a profession, especially one customarily pumped full of save-the-world propaganda during its professional training, to have to evaluate just how valuable it is to its fellow citizens and perhaps change its behavior accordingly.

The military reigns supreme, with teachers and doctors close behind, and lawyers taking the bottom slot:

Americans continue to hold the military in high regard, with more than three-quarters of U.S. adults (78%) saying that members of the armed services contribute “a lot” to society’s well-being. That’s a modest decline from 84% four years ago, the last time the Pew Research Center asked the public to rate various professions. But the military still tops the list of 10 occupational groups, followed closely by teachers, medical doctors, scientists and engineers. A solid majority of the public says each of those occupations contributes a lot to society.

I wonder if the answer would have been different if the question had been about teachers unions?

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…I know I do!

KOOLAID2 on July 11, 2013 at 9:24 PM

…what journalists?

KOOLAID2 on July 11, 2013 at 9:24 PM

….drones

KOOLAID2 on July 11, 2013 at 9:24 PM

…government drones…with ink!

KOOLAID2 on July 11, 2013 at 9:25 PM

Have to wonder how prostitutes would rate.

Interesting how almost every category has seen a drop in faith.

sharrukin on July 11, 2013 at 9:26 PM

….journalists…the new word…for government sluts!

KOOLAID2 on July 11, 2013 at 9:26 PM

No wonder CapHog is such the b*tch.

CW on July 11, 2013 at 9:28 PM

I did pretty well.

Bmore on July 11, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Something is way outta whack here…Artists are usually just a step above occupational dumpster diver…and this is consistent throughout history (even the Pope tried to gyp Michaelangelo)

workingclass artist on July 11, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Especially young female bloggers.

Oh wait ………

(that’s it, I’m doomed)

listens2glenn on July 11, 2013 at 9:33 PM

Ben Franklin would be saddened by this…and Teddy Roosevelt wouldn’t be surprised at all by the rise in Yellow Journalism

workingclass artist on July 11, 2013 at 9:33 PM

American hate the MSM? What are they doing to change that (the MSM)?

Crux Australis on July 11, 2013 at 9:33 PM

Plus: The press has a woman problem.

Layoffs Sting More for Blacks, Latinos

Journalists of color have a harder time recovering from job loss.

http://www.theroot.com/blogs/layoffs-sting-more-blacks-latinos

davidk on July 11, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Especially young female bloggers.

Oh wait ………

(that’s it, I’m doomed)

listens2glenn on July 11, 2013 at 9:33 PM

Whack-A-Mole

davidk on July 11, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Most of those currently “engaged in the profession” are nothing but liberal whores masquerading as ‘objective journalists’.

Just look at Newsweek and Time. Soon they’ll be paying readers to take their trash.

MSNBC is so far down the ladder, the Home Buying Network has more viewers.

GarandFan on July 11, 2013 at 9:35 PM

No wonder CapHog is such the b*tch.

CW on July 11, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Aw cuddles. I stopped working for peanuts long ago. But nice to know you’re thinking about me.

Capitalist Hog on July 11, 2013 at 9:36 PM

…the last four years have taken a toll on every other category.

Obama’s transformed America: Lake Tohellandgone–where every occupation is below average.

Barnestormer on July 11, 2013 at 9:39 PM

The LSM doesn’t have a presentation problem. It’s that we rubes aren’t savvy and sophisticated enough to grasp their message or importance. /

Liam on July 11, 2013 at 9:39 PM

FACT:

Every person reading this gets the majority of their news from journalists. It may be filtered through bloggers and radio hosts. But almost all of what you clowns comment about is sourced via mainstream newswires or MSM reporters.

You all complain and say how much you hate journalists but NONE of you can cite a story not reported on that you have commented about here at HA.

Capitalist Hog on July 11, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Pew poll: Americans hate journalists, even more than they did four years ago

Because Americans are figuring out they aren’t objective, but are pretending to be and folks are taught (incorrectly) that the Press is supposed to be objective…that right there is conducive to propaganda and brainwashing.

If you’re going to use the Press to try to change people’s minds about certain things, I’m fine with that. Fact reporting alone is not what the First Amendment is about-it’s also about expressing beliefs. But that’s not the sole realm of the Press-that is also the right of the average Citizen.

Ultimately, it is the job of the Citizen to decide what the truth is. The problem is when those avenues to unreported facts, stories, and opinions are shut down in favor one monolithic belief system. At that point the Press becomes an instrument of propaganda for some group.

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 11, 2013 at 9:43 PM

…I know I do!

KOOLAID2 on July 11, 2013 at 9:24 PM

beat me to it.

BoxHead1 on July 11, 2013 at 9:43 PM

I didn’t see gun-nut prepper tattoo freaks on the list.

Feeling a bit marginalized here.

Bishop on July 11, 2013 at 9:43 PM

‘Women only had the media because it has to cover conservatives and libertarians. If the media spent all of its time covering Progressive ideas, they wouldn’t have this problem because everyone knows that Progressives offer the very best to women.’

- Typical Prog

Resist We Much on July 11, 2013 at 9:47 PM

In case involving self-described ‘investigative blogger’ Crystal Cox, Judge Hernandez ruled that in order to qualify for basic First Amendment protections like state shield laws, freelance journalists have to meet a rather stiff set of criteria.

The Seven ‘Warning Signs’ of Journalism

On page 9 of a 13-page ruling, Judge Hernandez last month set out these requirements to qualify as a journalist:

1. Education in journalism.

2. Credentials or proof of affiliation with a recognized news entity

3. Proof of adherence to journalistic standards such as editing, fact-checking, or disclosures of conflicts of interest

4. Keeping notes of conversations and interviews conducted

5. Mutual understanding or agreement of confidentiality between the defendant and his/her sources

6. Creation of an independent product rather than assembling writings and postings of others
7. Contacting “the other side” to get both sides of a story

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidcoursey/2012/01/02/you-be-the-judge-are-bloggers-journalists/

davidk on July 11, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Two truths about the Obama legacy:

1) the rich continue to get richer, the poor .. poorer

2) business executives begin the rehabilitation of their good name.

J_Crater on July 11, 2013 at 9:49 PM

Capitalist Hog on July 11, 2013 at 9:41 PM

True, but it’s not always reported but how it’s reported, but what spin is put on the information when it’s filtered by the editors of the news organization. Also, there are alternative sources of news out there like Drudge and Breitbart that get info from non-mainstream press sources. And then there’s the leakers…interesting that even the leakers like Snowden are attacked by Left and Right alike.

Inconvenient truths become palatable only when filtered through the Socialist press. I do admit that you’re right-we’ve been brainwashed into accepting Marxist propaganda by the left-wing “legacy” media…but many of us are trying hard to realize that and free our minds. ;-)

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 11, 2013 at 9:49 PM

davidk on July 11, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Well, that rules out those from every liberal TV news station/show, all the major newspapers, and liberal blog sites like HuffPo.

Liam on July 11, 2013 at 9:50 PM

You all complain and say how much you hate journalists but NONE of you can cite a story not reported on that you have commented about here at HA.

Capitalist Hog on July 11, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Prostitutes and ambulance chasers have the same complaint…they just can’t get no respect.

sharrukin on July 11, 2013 at 9:51 PM

You all complain and say how much you hate journalists but NONE of you can cite a story not reported on that you have commented about here at HA.

Capitalist Hog on July 11, 2013 at 9:41 PM

I have no idea how many people comment regularly on HotAir, but it is a lot.

Can you show ten comments from, let’s say, people stating they hate journalists?

davidk on July 11, 2013 at 9:56 PM

Americans hate journalists, even more than they did four years ago

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Wait an effin’ minute! Business executives are between lawyers and journalists for the bottom of the professional barrel? That’s just not right… Steve Jobs at the bottom of the list? Jamie Dimond at the bottom of the list? Jack Welch… OK, those last two I can agree with but still…

ExpressoBold on July 11, 2013 at 9:56 PM

FACT:

Every person reading this gets the majority of their news from journalists.

Thank you captain obvious.

It may be filtered through bloggers and radio hosts. But almost all of what you clowns comment about is sourced via mainstream newswires or MSM reporters.

You all complain and say how much you hate journalists but NONE of you can cite a story not reported on that you have commented about here at HA.

Capitalist Hog on July 11, 2013 at 9:41 PM

And where do you get your news, pancake? Unless you are part of the news, you’re getting news from journalists too.

What is the point of your rant? So what if we get news from journalists – it doesn’t mean we can’t think of them as lower than dog crap. Obviously we complain about lawyers and they rank lower than journalists, yet we still have to employ their services from time to time.

LtBarnwell02 on July 11, 2013 at 9:58 PM

Can you show ten comments from, let’s say, people stating they hate journalists?

davidk on July 11, 2013 at 9:56 PM

Somewhat fixed.

davidk on July 11, 2013 at 10:00 PM

Poor CapHog. Nobody likes it.

CW on July 11, 2013 at 10:00 PM

I wonder if the answer would have been different if the question had been about teachers unions?

Good question…

Controversial California Bill Exempts Public Schools from Sex Abuse Lawsuits

Seven Percent Solution on July 11, 2013 at 10:01 PM

Capitalist Hog on July 11, 2013 at 9:41 PM

For example, right now I’m listening to a video by Bill Cooper from 1995 where he’s warning us about how worldwide “democracy” is merely a code word for “socialism” and how the Communist NWO is trying to subvert America with the help of foreign troops belonging to NATO (Cooperative Nugget 95).

See, we don’t all listen solely to the Fascist mainstream media all the time.

I’ll post the link for you if you like!

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 11, 2013 at 10:03 PM

But almost all of what you clowns comment about is sourced via mainstream newswires or MSM reporters.

You all complain and say how much you hate journalists but NONE of you can cite a story not reported on that you have commented about here at HA.

Capitalist Hog on July 11, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Apparently we’re not allowed to discuss the bias of the actual story as represented by the MSM after its been dissected by those who aren’t bonafide “journalists”.

See that’s the thing here, cupcake, we actively watch the media whores put their incredible spin on everything and we aren’t really happy about it. Such as when your dog eating boy rails about the injustice of Gitmo and then stuffs extra terrorists into its cells a day later.

Bishop on July 11, 2013 at 10:06 PM

Compare the media to any other industry. If Ford or Sony knew that consumers had a problem with their products and sales were dropping, they would go all out to design new models that consumers wanted.

The media is more interested in presenting its views and propaganda even though it realizes that consumers (viewers and readers) don’t like the product. TV news viewership is down and ratings and profits are down at the same time. Unlike automotive and electronics manufacturers, TV network executives don’t care about increased ratings/readership or even profitability. All they care about is pushing a liberal agenda.

bw222 on July 11, 2013 at 10:07 PM

Poor CapHog. Nobody likes it.

CW on July 11, 2013 at 10:00 PM

Au convair mon fryer, I like her very much. Whenever I’m feeling down I can think “At least I’m not a liberal douchebag like the Hog” and instantly I’m up and peppy.

Bishop on July 11, 2013 at 10:08 PM

You all complain and say how much you hate journalists but NONE of you can cite a story not reported on that you have commented about here at HA.

Capitalist Hog on July 11, 2013 at 9:41 PM

oh, please. there are some very famous stories that got covered eventually because of the internet breaking the story. The most famous was Drudge…which was a story that newsweek spiked to cover for Bill

Then of course there was the famous Rathergate story that LGF, Powerline and a guy from Free Republic broke. I mean, really…will you ever forget the blinking pix of Times Roman? No…i didn’t think so (unless you are too young????). I mean how embarrassing Dan…a forgery???

it is true that there are a few intrepid journos out there..Sharyl A for one. But, mostly yellow press…well paid yellow press

r keller on July 11, 2013 at 10:08 PM

Poor little CapHog ….so defensive. Somebody needs a thicker skin.

CW on July 11, 2013 at 10:15 PM

FACT:

Every person reading this gets the majority of their news from journalists. It may be filtered through bloggers and radio hosts. But almost all of what you clowns comment about is sourced via mainstream newswires or MSM reporters.

You all complain and say how much you hate journalists but NONE of you can cite a story not reported on that you have commented about here at HA.

Capitalist Hog on July 11, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Tell us again how you mixed up War Criminal Dick Chaney’s daughters the other day…

F-

Del Dolemonte on July 11, 2013 at 10:20 PM

How come politicians aren’t on the list?

RINO in Name Only on July 11, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Have to wonder how prostitutes would rate.

sharrukin on July 11, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Oops, I see my question was already asked.

RINO in Name Only on July 11, 2013 at 10:41 PM

And where do you get your news, pancake? … et cetera

LtBarnwell02 on July 11, 2013 at 9:58 PM
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LOL Hilarious!!!!! I could almost replace “pancake” with “flounder” and get the same effect. LOL

ExpressoBold on July 11, 2013 at 11:15 PM

Rathergate was nothing compared to everyday journalistic Blathergate. Meaning, reporters filing stories about subjects they know absolutely nothing about.

Forget about the whole “assault weapon” business and the frequent and probably deliberate confusion of legal self-loading rifles with military issue selective-fire arms.

I’m talking about things like reporters who refer to every naval vessel as a “battleship”, every military vehicle as a “tank”, call every airliner a “jumbo jet”, think gas tanks on cars explode in collisions or when they’re shot at(because they see it every day in movies!), and of course insist that an asteroid near-miss was caused by Anthropogenic Global Warming. Ditto the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami.

As for Ben Franklin, I believe he once said

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.

Most “journalists” must have slept through that part of their history classes in high school. And I suspect most of them were too busy partying every night in college to bother to even stay awake for part of the day there. I doubt they ever checked out very many books from the library, either.

Having gone to college myself, I know it takes a lot of work to remain pig-ignorant about the sort of things you are supposed to know about. And I’d say some overly-sympathetic profs to get to graduation.

The combination probably explains why the average American “journalist” would probably make a better pump jockey, if we still had them, that is.

Then again, they might blow up the gas station, too. Having never bothered to read the instructions.

clear ether

eon

eon on July 11, 2013 at 11:16 PM

FACT:
I am a douchebag, that is all
Capitalist Hog on July 11, 2013 at 9:4111:21 PM

Fett on July 11, 2013 at 11:21 PM

Sold their soul when they threw away the Who,What,When, Where & Why. Always wondered how they get up each morning, look in the mirror & call themselves journalists.

RdLake on July 11, 2013 at 11:23 PM

In case involving self-described ‘investigative blogger’ Crystal Cox, Judge Hernandez ruled that in order to qualify for basic First Amendment protections like state shield laws, freelance journalists have to meet a rather stiff set of criteria.

The Seven ‘Warning Signs’ of Journalism

On page 9 of a 13-page ruling, Judge Hernandez last month set out these requirements to qualify as a journalist:

1. Education in journalism.

2. Credentials or proof of affiliation with a recognized news entity

3. Proof of adherence to journalistic standards such as editing, fact-checking, or disclosures of conflicts of interest

4. Keeping notes of conversations and interviews conducted

5. Mutual understanding or agreement of confidentiality between the defendant and his/her sources

6. Creation of an independent product rather than assembling writings and postings of others

7. Contacting “the other side” to get both sides of a story

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidcoursey/2012/01/02/you-be-the-judge-are-bloggers-journalists/

davidk on July 11, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Al New York Times and WaPo regularly fail several points of this test.

slickwillie2001 on July 11, 2013 at 11:33 PM

oh, please. there are some very famous stories that got covered eventually because of the internet breaking the story. The most famous was Drudge…which was a story that newsweek spiked to cover for Bill

Then of course there was the famous Rathergate story that LGF, Powerline and a guy from Free Republic broke. I mean, really…will you ever forget the blinking pix of Times Roman? No…i didn’t think so (unless you are too young????). I mean how embarrassing Dan…a forgery???

it is true that there are a few intrepid journos out there..Sharyl A for one. But, mostly yellow press…well paid yellow press

r keller on July 11, 2013 at 10:08 PM

Just a couple of weeks ago, Ace of Spades broke the story about Mikey Bloomberg using City of New York facilities to run his personal anti-gun website.

slickwillie2001 on July 11, 2013 at 11:38 PM

Controversial California Bill Exempts Public Schools from Sex Abuse Lawsuits

Seven Percent Solution on July 11, 2013 at 10:01 PM

huh?

workingclass artist on July 11, 2013 at 11:40 PM

How come politicians aren’t on the list?

RINO in Name Only on July 11, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Cause the DC ones don’t work or live under the laws they pass?

workingclass artist on July 11, 2013 at 11:42 PM

The reason I love HA is because of the comments. Some of the articles are good, some really good, some not so much. The discussions that follow IMHO some of the best insight into everything that is going on in modern USS…I mean Amerika. Things like HA are what the people in power fear. Is it any wonder people have lost faith in the MSM. I mean propaganda starts to become kinda obvious after awhile. The interwebs and interboxes let us go around all the old “journalists”. As an example, DRUDGE is now what the WASH POST was 30 years ago. But at this point what does it even matter…

The damn nsa will just send drones to “drop hellfires” on anyone that starts to try to speak out against the evi#@$$%@$%@%)%&&(#@!)(#————TRANSMISSION JAMMED———–@!#$%!@%%!@%)()ggg0000%#@%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%@#!%%#@%@%@%we are watching!!!eleventy!!$$$nsa $$$rulzors!!!

Fett on July 11, 2013 at 11:49 PM

When I think back to the 60s the first thing I remember is the nightly news and Uncle Walt. I remember being a kid during Viet Nam and hearing those strange names like Penom Phen ( not sure of the spelling) and the Ho Che Min trail. To my 8 year old self this was just something I would see before dinner. I didn’ t realize that Uncle Walt was affecting how the American public was viewing the war and that Walter Kronkite was one of the first MSMers. We had ABC,NBC,CBS, and a UHF channel that showed old westerns. Back then Kronkite had a huge approval rating because we were being deceived and didn’t know it. With the advent of the modern media and cable channels we now can see the news without having to go through a media that controls the narrative and outcome of what they were reporting on. Now we can see the emperor is nekkid and thus these MSMers are held in contempt precisely because we know we are being played and have been played for close to 80 years. The media covered up that FDR had debilitating polio so their Dem Prez could keep his job. The result? He died during his 4th term during WW2 which threw Truman into a situation that he might have not been prepared for had he been a lesser man. Never forget how our returning soldiers were treated upon their return from Nam. I lay that at Kronkites door. Watergate was covered almost in a frenzy because the media hated Nixon. Contrast that to now. What Nixon did was nothing compared to what is happening now under Obama. I lay that on the MSMs door as well. The media deserves scorn. I have seen prayers and public affirmation work wonders and I’ ve also seen collective scorn and derision work against people too. If most Americans feel toward the MSM what I do their days are numbered. Good riddance and it can’t happen soon enough for me.

neyney on July 12, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Here’s the part I don’t get:

The decline in the perceived contribution of journalists cuts across partisan leanings, age and education level. Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents as well as Republicans and Republican-leaning independents all are less likely to say journalists contribute a lot to society’s well-being today (down 8 points among Republicans/leaning Republicans and 10 points among Democrats/leaning Democrats).

o_O

Cylor on July 12, 2013 at 6:12 AM

It’s funny how poll results have themselves become such news in recent years and are cited as if they are actual determinants of reality.

“Do you think that the discovery of the Higgs boson confirms M theory as the best candidate as a “Theory of Everything”?

Yes- 9%
No- 11%
Wot?- 99%

justltl on July 12, 2013 at 7:24 AM

It’s not really fair because lying, sleazy, amoral scumbags are so easy to dislike.

deimos on July 12, 2013 at 7:38 AM

And I think this is a double whammy for the media. Look at the list. Every single profession went down. No single profession is looked at more admirably than just 4 years ago ? Not one ? Based on that I’d say the public has become more cynical in general.

Thanks media!

deadrody on July 12, 2013 at 7:40 AM

The entire mainstream media are nothing but an enormous gaggle of left wing activists who will stop at nothing to further their leftist causes. To call them “news” agencies is a gross misnomer.

rplat on July 12, 2013 at 7:53 AM

Sherman was right about journalists.

I can only assume he burned Atlanta because he saw through a window into the future and was trying to prevent the existence of CNN. This justifying the entire campaign.

Spade on July 12, 2013 at 7:55 AM

Maybe it’s because journalism as we knew it has died out and has been replaced with ideological propaganda.

iamsaved on July 12, 2013 at 8:07 AM

Spade on July 12, 2013 at 7:55 AM

In case anyone doesn’t know, the relevant quotes are;

If I had my choice I would kill every reporter in the world, but I am sure we would be getting reports from Hell before breakfast.

-General William Tecumseh Sherman, 1863.

Newspaper correspondents with an army, as a rule, are mischievous. They are the world’s gossips, pick up and retail the camp scandal, and gradually drift to the headquarters of some general, who finds it easier to make reputation at home than with his own corps or division. They are also tempted to prophesy events and state facts which, to an enemy, reveal a purpose in time to guard against it. Moreover, they are always bound to see facts colored by the partisan or political character of their own patrons, and this brings army officers into the political controversies of the day, which are always mischievous and wrong. Yet, so greedy are the people at large for war news, that it is doubtful whether any army commander can exclude all reporters, without bringing down on himself a clamor that may imperil his own safety. Time and moderation must bring a just solution to this modern difficulty.

-Sherman, 1864.

It must be noted that Sherman was dealing with the “first generation” of what we would consider modern journalists, who could file their stories almost instantly, by telegraph. As such, their effects, for good or ill (and mostly the latter) were not slowed by the necessity to employ couriers or other means of moving data physically, as opposed to transmitting it in the ‘raw” form. Anyone who thinks the internet changed the world in a totally unprecedented way needs to look at what the Morse telegraph did in the mid-19th Century.

I’m sure “Uncle Billy” would be disappointed that over 150 years later, a “just solution” has not been found. I am also sure he would not be surprised that it hasn’t.

cheers

eon

eon on July 12, 2013 at 8:59 AM

iamsaved on July 12, 2013 at 8:07 AM

Look at the 1864 Sherman quote. Things haven’t changed appreciably, and the malady is hardly a recent development.

cheers

eon

eon on July 12, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Where are the ruling elite in this poll?

Are they so low they didn’t even register or just convienently leff off?

I know most them are lawyers but they still deserve their own special class for this poll.

acyl72 on July 12, 2013 at 9:22 AM

journalists contribute “not very much” or “nothing at all” to society

They should also add a “believe journalists are actively detrimental to society/democracy” category and see how many respond that way.

andycanuck on July 12, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Same thing during the Crimean War, eon, where the Russians said they had no need of spies as they just had to read the Times to know what the Anglo-Allies were up to; and the telegraph allowed Napoleon III to constantly and directly interfere in his field commander’s decisions.

andycanuck on July 12, 2013 at 1:23 PM