Landslide: HuffPo poll shows Americans overwhelmingly support abortion ban after 20 weeks, 59/30

posted at 6:01 pm on July 11, 2013 by Allahpundit

It takes integrity to conduct and then feature a poll that confirms your own readership is wildly out of the American mainstream. It takes less integrity to try to discredit your own results, as HuffPo kinda sorta does, by citing a Democratic pollster who suggests that abortion polling is always unreliable because people’s feelings change when you start talking about exceptions for rape, incest, the life of the mother, and so on.

This seems … fairly straightforward:

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This result is right in line with a recent poll of Texans, which found 62 percent support for banning abortions after 20 weeks. Turns out, when it comes to late-term abortion, America is a red state. (So is Europe, for that matter. Really red.) It’s certainly true that Americans are conflicted on abortion regs more broadly — 63 percent in HuffPo’s poll, for instance, say that abortion decisions generally should be left to a woman and her doctor, and lots of national polls show support for abortion rights during the first trimester — but no one outside of the most hardcore abortion warriors supports the practice at every stage of pregnancy. In fact, 49 percent in HuffPo’s poll said they personally consider abortion morally wrong versus 12 percent who said it’s morally acceptable and 24 percent who said it’s, er, not a moral issue.

Anyway, note the number of strong opponents in the table above relative to the other categories, just for easy reference the next time a liberal claims that it’s the GOP that’s been captured by the fanatics in its base. And speaking of fanatics, here’s the latest example of a prominent pro-choice advocate, crowned by the Democratic mainstream with official truth-to-power hero status, pointedly refusing to oppose abortion at any point during gestation:

THE WEEKLY STANDARD: [Supporters of late-term abortion bans] say there’s not much of a difference between what Kermit Gosnell did outside the womb to a baby at 23 weeks and a legal late-term abortion [performed] at 23 weeks on that same baby. What is the difference between those two?

CECILE RICHARDS [President of Planned Parenthood]: I mean he was a criminal. And he’s now going to jail. As I think you heard Senator Franken say and many women who have written about their own personal stories, it is very rare for a woman to need to terminate a pregnancy after 20 weeks. And quite often it’s stories like one we heard today where there is the decision of the doctor that this is the best way, the best for a woman. And the problem is when you have politicians begin to play doctor and make decisions about women’s medical care. They aren’t in that woman’s situation.

TWS: But there has been research out of, I think, University of California-San Francisco about non-medical late-term abortions. These things do happen, even if they’re a small number. I’m talking about that specific area. I mean if there were broader exceptions, would you–

AIDE TO CECILE RICHARDS: I know you’re in a rush, so I can follow up to get you some more information.

TWS: Are there any legal limits you do support on abortion, Ms. Richards?

She wouldn’t answer. That’s from John McCormack of the Standard, by the way, who’s well-practiced in asking national Democrats questions simple yes-or-no questions on whether there should be any limits whatsoever on killing babies in the womb and getting either semi-coherent evasions or stony silence in response. It’s the surest thing in journalism. The party’s run by abortion fanatics, so much so that they’d rather cop to their fanaticism through tacit acknowledgment than lie about it to look “mainstream.” He’ll be asking this question of other Dems for years to come. I’d bet cash money that he’ll never get a straight answer.


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Amen.

abobo on July 11, 2013 at 6:06 PM

Even if the law did become no abortion after 20 weeks with exceptions, at this rate of incrementalism on abortion, four weeks in 40 years, you would get abortion banned in 2213.

thuja on July 11, 2013 at 6:09 PM

Common Sense!

canopfor on July 11, 2013 at 6:09 PM

My 85 year-old mother is going to be surprised to be in the minority on this.

I’m looking forward to telling her that most of her revered Europe cuts them off at 12 weeks.

Meremortal on July 11, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Even if the law did become no abortion after 20 weeks with exceptions, at this rate of incrementalism on abortion, four weeks in 40 years, you would get abortion banned in 2213.

thuja on July 11, 2013 at 6:09 PM

In ancient Rome, circa 2,500 years ago, it was legal to ‘abort’ a child until it reached the “age of reason” which was set at about 4 years of age.

So yes, the progress is steady but slow.

Meremortal on July 11, 2013 at 6:13 PM

The party’s run by abortion fanatics, so much so that they’d rather cop to their fanaticism through tacit acknowledgment than lie about it to look “mainstream.” He’ll be asking this question of other Dems for years to come. I’d bet cash money that he’ll never get a straight answer.

They can’t answer the question. First of all, giving up any ground on abortion rights to the pro-life crowd terrifies the left. If 20 weeks becomes the new cutoff, how soon before it reaches 16 weeks or even 12 like some European countries? Secondly, the Dems love to keep the issue of abortion black and white in order to bash Republicans over the head with it. You’re either pro-choice or anti-choice. You either support women’s health or you don’t. Introduce a gray area like the viability of the fetus or whether or not it feels pain at 5 months when aborted and suddenly the entire debate shifts in favor of the GOP.

Doughboy on July 11, 2013 at 6:13 PM

Leftists follow Europe’s ‘leadership’ only when it’s politically exploitative.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2013 at 6:14 PM

Too much money in it.

BKeyser on July 11, 2013 at 6:15 PM

simple yes-or-no questions on whether there should be any limits whatsoever on killing babies in the womb

or, y’know, near it. It’s like a five second rule for murder.

trubble on July 11, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Pro-lifers should start celebrating their babies first birthdays 12 months after conception. Would drive the killers mad.

Meremortal on July 11, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Wow. I guess that sends a clear message that Democrats can continue to ignore.

scalleywag on July 11, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Defeatist.

Bmore on July 11, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Correction: Americans overwhelmingly oppose killing the unborn. PERIOD.

locomotivebreath1901 on July 11, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Ms Cecile Richards, would you support a restriction on abortion after a mother starts labor?

BTW, have you noticed that the mother is always called a mother, but the baby is a fetus?

Meremortal on July 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Meremortal on July 11, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Truly !!
There are some groups who celebrate ‘conception days’, as closely as possible.

pambi on July 11, 2013 at 6:27 PM

“Ha ha” – ( Nelson)

Cleombrotus on July 11, 2013 at 6:27 PM

Wendy Davis: Fringe Kook

forest on July 11, 2013 at 6:29 PM

It seems odd as I’m not a religious person in the usual sense (not a church member, etc), yet I have no doubt that abortion is a barbaric murder of a child.

Meremortal on July 11, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Even if the law did become no abortion after 20 weeks with exceptions, at this rate of incrementalism on abortion, four weeks in 40 years, you would get abortion banned in 2213.

thuja on July 11, 2013 at 6:09 PM

Is that your response to the poll? You just shit yourself. Laughable. What a loser’s comeback. You sound like a whiney little b*tch.

Still have so little knowledge of life in general. All got is some weird fascination with killing unborn humans.

One day when you realize your perversions have degraded you as a human you will realize what a f*ck up you are.

CW on July 11, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Correction: Americans overwhelmingly oppose killing the unborn. PERIOD.

locomotivebreath1901 on July 11, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Unfortunately, not really. Most Americans have no problem with killing humans early on in pregnancy.

You knows nothing says love like killing your own…and orgasms are oh so fantastic!/

CW on July 11, 2013 at 6:31 PM

Even if the law did become no abortion after 20 weeks with exceptions, at this rate of incrementalism on abortion, four weeks in 40 years, you would get abortion banned in 2213.

thuja on July 11, 2013 at 6:09 PM

Good thing we started as soon as we did then.

JadeNYU on July 11, 2013 at 6:31 PM

It seems odd as I’m not a religious person in the usual sense (not a church member, etc), yet I have no doubt that abortion is a barbaric murder of a child.

Meremortal on July 11, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Right there with you. Far too many people are in denial and have so little knowledge of science.

CW on July 11, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Flop-sweat towels for NARAL! STAT!

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on July 11, 2013 at 6:34 PM

Democrats just like killing babies.

Kensington on July 11, 2013 at 6:35 PM

How the left negotiates:

Gay Marriage –

Give us what we want!

NO!

Homophobes! Give us what we want!

errr, ok, now go away…

Immigration –

Give us what we want!

NO!

Racists! Give us what we want!

errr, ok, now go away..

Abortion –

Give us what we want!

NO!

Sexists!! Give us what we want…

errr….

wytshus on July 11, 2013 at 6:37 PM

How many babies are killed by abortions after 20 weeks? I read the number somewhere but I forgot. Even if it saves one life right.

El_Terrible on July 11, 2013 at 6:38 PM

If our candidates reframe the debate from Akin-land (ie, defending everything on the hardest of hard cases) to the point that the discussion should begin in the 12-20 week range (as it is in Europe), we will destroy Democrats on this issue. Absolutely destroy them.

crrr6 on July 11, 2013 at 6:38 PM

It wasn’t too long ago, when “everyone” was telling the GOP it HAD to cave in on abortion, or face massive electoral defeat.

The same “everyones” who are now telling the GOP it HAS to cave in on homosexual marriage, or face massive electoral defeat.

Ironic.

Rebar on July 11, 2013 at 6:41 PM

Even if the law did become no abortion after 20 weeks with exceptions, at this rate of incrementalism on abortion, four weeks in 40 years, you would get abortion banned in 2213.

thuja on July 11, 2013 at 6:09 PM

Is that an argument for it being a good or bad law?

anuts on July 11, 2013 at 6:41 PM

20 week ban for most people. 75 yr. ban for libs .

rik on July 11, 2013 at 6:42 PM

Anyway, note the number of strong opponents in the table above relative to the other categories, just for easy reference the next time a liberal claims that it’s the GOP that’s been captured by the fanatics in its base.

I’m sorry, Allah, perhaps I missed it, but feel free to point out to us the polls or surveys that show the republican “base” in support or banning only late term abortions, which has ALWAYS been an easymerely instead of merely using the banning as a step towards the next phase.

In fact, I daresay that the only reason late term abortions HAVEN’T been banned altogether is that abortion is largely a republican issue and simply banning late term abortions has NEVER been an ordained goal of those who push the issue.

And also, conversely, this poll could be used in exactly the same way only going the other direction, the next time some hotairian tries to claim that the democrats are all just crazy fanatics.

When clearly, and as always, there is an accessible, possible, and reasonable middle ground that the vast majority of American would support, if only we could get the hard liners on both sides to unindoctrinate themselves from the furious righteousness that lies outside of the mainstream of American opinion.

Genuine on July 11, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Landslide: HuffPo poll shows Americans overwhelmingly support abortion ban after 20 weeks, 59/30

BAM!

Of course, if the Senate voted on it, you’d probably get the vote to be 59-30 against, with 11 abstentions. World’s greatest deliberative body, my arse.

Stoic Patriot on July 11, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Well, if HuffPo peeps would’ve seen that very enlightened “if-my-vee-jay-jay was a gun” argument, the result would not be the same.

oldroy on July 11, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Genuine on July 11, 2013 at 6:47 PM

because, after all, it’s only a human being./

kingsjester on July 11, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Well, if HuffPo peeps would’ve seen that very enlightened “if-my-vee-jay-jay was a gun” argument, the result would not be the same.

oldroy on July 11, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Too bad they weren’t guns. Liberals would want to outlaw them (except for women who prefer women), and the incidence of abortions would plummet.

Liam on July 11, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Remember, according to the Left stats like these are only true if they are sourced from Leftish sources.

vinman on July 11, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Gosh, liberal democrats, why are you trying to kill this country with your extremist, religiously-backed dogmatism?

;)

Good Solid B-Plus on July 11, 2013 at 6:57 PM

When clearly, and as always, there is an accessible, possible, and reasonable middle ground that the vast majority of American would support, if only we could get the hard liners on both sides to unindoctrinate themselves from the furious righteousness that lies outside of the mainstream of American opinion.

Genuine on July 11, 2013 at 6:47 PM

I, for one, won’t be ‘unindoctrinated’ from my view it’s an innocent human life that is being snuffed out for sake of convenience. BTW — I’m not ‘indoctrinated’ in that matter, because of life experiences. I didn’t need some talk show host to give me my view.

I might be willing to ‘compromise’ on my brand of beer. Or my whiskey, or my coffee. Even my brand of cigarettes.

But not when it comes to the value of an innocent human life, those of the most innocent and helpless in the world.

Liam on July 11, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Even if the law did become no abortion after 20 weeks with exceptions, at this rate of incrementalism on abortion, four weeks in 40 years, you would get abortion banned in 2213.

thuja on July 11, 2013 at 6:09 PM

So, by this logic, since the 26th Amendment allowed 18 year olds to vote, at the rate of incrementalism re: voting rights, we’ll be letting 3 year olds vote by 2213.

Good Solid B-Plus on July 11, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Remember, according to the Left stats like these are only true if they are sourced from Leftish sources.

vinman on July 11, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Then, they want to softpedal the results.

Liam on July 11, 2013 at 7:01 PM

And the media hype takes a blow.

jersey taxpayer on July 11, 2013 at 7:09 PM

It’s sad to see Hot Air carrying water for a federal law that only serves to undermine state sovereignty on this issue even further. If states decide on their own to ban abortion after 20 weeks, fine, I don’t agree with that but at least they’re making a decision that is rightfully reserved to them by virtue of the 10th Amendment. But Congress shouldn’t be involved. Even a pro-life conservative who actually believes in states’ rights should be able to agree with that.

Armin Tamzarian on July 11, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Come on now: there are a few bloodthirsty baby killers on the left side, sure, but the majority of pro-choice screamers are simply worried about a slippery slope when it comes to abortion restrictions. 20 weeks now, 12 weeks later, then 2 weeks, then 0 weeks.

If you don’t believe that then ask yourself why you object so strongly to just a harmless, wee little bit of gun control? Hmm?

BJ* on July 11, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Armin Tamzarian on July 11, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Roe took the abortion issue away from the states and put it under the purview of the Federal government. You have no problem with that, so don’t try saying a Federal law limiting abortion imposes on state sovereignty, because the states have had no say in how they write their abortion laws since 1972; they must all be in keeping with a Federal decision.

And even when they are within Roe, other Federal judges will later come along to find those state restrictions unconstitutional.

And you know it.

Liam on July 11, 2013 at 7:22 PM

I’m sorry, Allah, perhaps I missed it, but feel free to point out to us the polls or surveys that show the republican “base” in support or banning only late term abortions, which has ALWAYS been an easymerely instead of merely using the banning as a step towards the next phase.

Genuine on July 11, 2013 at 6:47 PM

What in the Sam Hill are you talking about? What difference does it make whether the GOP base wants to ban all abortions, ban them afetr the first trimester, ban them except in the case of rape or incest, or whatever? Those aren’t the subjects under discussion. What is under discussion is a ban on abortion after 20 weeks, which is overwhelmingly supported by the American people and opposed by abortion absolutists who have never failed to threaten Democrats with charges of apostasy if they voted for any kind of restrictions at all. And if a late-term ban has “ALWAYS been easy,” why haven’t there been any passed by any Democrat-controlled legislature?

Athanasius on July 11, 2013 at 7:22 PM

Armin Tamzarian on July 11, 2013 at 7:12 PM

You? On an abortion thread? You don’t say.

Simple is as simple does.

hahahaaha. …what an idiot.

CW on July 11, 2013 at 7:24 PM

As excited as I am by this poll, at times like this it’s important to remember that hard-core feminists liberals will, to use an analogy, defend unrestricted abortion like pro-2nd Amendment folks will defend gun rights. That is, BAMN. In that context, polls don’t count for much. Power does.

Robert_Paulson on July 11, 2013 at 7:38 PM

She wouldn’t answer. That’s from John McCormack of the Standard, by the way, who’s well-practiced in asking national Democrats questions simple yes-or-no questions on whether there should be any limits whatsoever on killing babies in the womb and getting either semi-coherent evasions or stony silence in response. It’s the surest thing in journalism. The party’s run by abortion fanatics, so much so that they’d rather cop to their fanaticism through tacit acknowledgment than lie about it to look “mainstream.” He’ll be asking this question of other Dems for years to come. I’d bet cash money that he’ll never get a straight answer.

this is very, very good. we (pro-lifers) need more incidents like this and we need them all caught on tape. then a video montage of every pro-abortion person dodging these questions, or giving vague or bad answers. (like the planned parenthood woman who said that the mother should decide whether or not to let her botched-abortion baby die!!) it’ll be like akin, only on their side.

It’s sad to see Hot Air carrying water for a federal law that only serves to undermine state sovereignty on this issue even further. If states decide on their own to ban abortion after 20 weeks, fine, I don’t agree with that but at least they’re making a decision that is rightfully reserved to them by virtue of the 10th Amendment. But Congress shouldn’t be involved. Even a pro-life conservative who actually believes in states’ rights should be able to agree with that.

Armin Tamzarian on July 11, 2013 at 7:12 PM

ever heard of human rights? they actually matter more than states’ rights. you see, a state can’t take away someone’s inalienable human right. i don’t know why you don’t understand that.

Sachiko on July 11, 2013 at 7:41 PM

An incremental step in the right direction…

I hope that we soon catch up to the 12 week mark as in the EU…

Only time I’d ever wanna be like them…

Scrumpy on July 11, 2013 at 7:50 PM

TWS: Are there any legal limits you do support on abortion, Ms. Richards?

She wouldn’t answer.

Her silence speaks volumes.

Thanks for posting the poll AP.

Pro-Lifers have our work cut out for us…But this poll offers a chance to change minds and hearts.

workingclass artist on July 11, 2013 at 7:50 PM

In ancient Rome, circa 2,500 years ago, it was legal to ‘abort’ a child until it reached the “age of reason” which was set at about 4 years of age.

So yes, the progress is steady but slow.

Meremortal on July 11, 2013 at 6:13 PM

In Ancient Rome during various periods in her long Pagan history, a male Roman Citizen (Head of household) had the legal right of murder over everyone in his entire household in certain legal situations.

So yes indeed…the progress is slow but steady.

workingclass artist on July 11, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Pro-lifers should start celebrating their babies first birthdays 12 months after conception. Would drive the killers mad.

Meremortal on July 11, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Some asian cultures do.

tetriskid on July 11, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Even if the law did become no abortion after 20 weeks with exceptions, at this rate of incrementalism on abortion, four weeks in 40 years, you would get abortion banned in 2213.

thuja on July 11, 2013 at 6:09 PM

.
So?

Abortion went from being “rare”, to “unlimited and on dmand” in a day.

listens2glenn on July 11, 2013 at 8:11 PM

CECILE RICHARDS [President of Planned Parenthood]: I mean he was a criminal. And he’s now going to jail.

It was a crime because Pennsylvania passed a law making it one.

Resist We Much on July 11, 2013 at 8:11 PM

thuja,

At what point does a foetus become human life?

When does society have a vested interest in protecting human life?

Where would you draw the line?

If you don’t want a line drawn, do you believe that a woman should be able to abort her ‘foetus’ on her due date for whatever reason or no reason at all?

Do you believe that a foetus is the property of the woman?

Resist We Much on July 11, 2013 at 8:13 PM

CW on July 11, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Your comment made me say hooah out loud.

smoothsailing on July 11, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Resist We Much on July 11, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Liberals never answer those kinds of questions. Instead, they’ll tell you you’re some kind of evil for even asking.

Liam on July 11, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Time for the state media to put the brainwashing strategy in overdrive.

RdLake on July 11, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Our American Indians took an herb to cause an abortion in the very early stages. It’s nothing new but waiting until near term is barbaric.

mixplix on July 12, 2013 at 7:20 AM

Why is it OK to perform a barbaric procedure against an innocent person, if their daddy is a rapist?

Isn’t 5 months enough time for “choice?”

MNHawk on July 12, 2013 at 9:03 AM

You gotta love this from the Huffpo piece:

At the same time, however, a large majority (63 percent) say that the statement “decisions on abortion should be made by a woman and her doctor” comes closer to their opinion on abortion, while only 26 percent say “government has a right and obligation to pass restrictions on abortion.”

I’m not sure they could frame a poll question to get the desired results any better.

Speechlesstx on July 12, 2013 at 11:05 AM