Possible House GOP plan on immigration: A path to legalization, not citizenship?

posted at 7:21 pm on July 11, 2013 by Allahpundit

Aaron Blake offers them a way out. Good enough?

House Republicans finally come around to comprehensive immigration reform, but — and this is a BIG but — they do it without a path to citizenship…

1. It’s a middle-ground bill. It brings illegal immigrants out of the shadows but allows Republicans to tell primary voters that they didn’t vote for “amnesty.” Republicans can rightly argue that illegal immigrants aren’t being given an advantage over those going through legal channels to earn citizenship.

2. Republicans can tell their base that they avoided potentially granting voting rights to millions of voters who they fear would vote for Democrats…

3. It would put Democrats in a tough spot. Congressional Democrats who are leading the immigration fight insist that they will not support a bill that stops short of a path to citizenship.

This is basically Rand Paul’s plan. Legalize illegals, but don’t give them any new path to citizenship. Just give them the right to stay and work and, if they want to apply for citizenship, they can wait until after the current applicants for green cards have been processed. So it is a path to citizenship, just … not a clear-cut path. That’s politically appealing for the reasons noted above; presumably it’d also be just fine with GOP-aligned business interests like the Chamber of Commerce, which care a lot about cheap labor and not much about whether those laborers end up voting. (Although they’ll care in due time if conservatives are right about which way illegals are likely to tilt politically.)

Ninety percent of the reason that Republicans have amnesty fee-vah, though, is because of the goodwill it’ll supposedly earn them with Latinos. What happens to that goodwill after the Paul bill passes and Democrats begin attacking it relentlessly as some sort of secret GOP plan to bar illegals from applying for green cards forever? Come 2015, after enough screaming about “second-class citizenship,” even Rand Paul will be eager to vote for a special path for illegals to protect his presidential pitch to moderates. And forget the whole citizenship thing for a second: How are you going to get Democrats to agree to a “path to legalization”? The whole problem with the Gang of Eight bill is that Schumer and the Democrats demanded that legalization happen right away, without any border security trigger. If the House insists on security first, Schumer et al. will walk and start screaming about second-class status for illegals. The goal of the House bill, at a bare minimum, should be to put Democrats on the defensive by crafting a bill that appeals enough to Latino voters that the Dems will be reluctant to shoot it down in the Senate.

Is there a bill like that out there? Maybe:

“My worst fear is slightly different,” [former Harry Reid aide Jim] Manley said, “and that is after some fits and starts, [House Republicans] send over something only dealing with the DREAMer kids and dare the Senate to oppose it.”

Border security in exchange for a path to full citizenship for the DREAMers, the single most sympathetic class of illegals. Democrats will demagogue that too — “how can we grant citizenship to these children while leaving their parents in limbo?” — but the public’s warm fuzzies upon seeing bipartisan support for giving kids a permanent stake in America should hold the left off for awhile. Hopefully the GOP takes back the Senate next year and then they can deal with the rest of the illegal population with a new security-for-legal-status bill written on their terms. Presumably that’s good enough for Beltway Republicans, who are interested first and foremost in building goodwill. Whether it’s good enough for business, given the comparatively minor impact DREAM would have on labor, is another question.

By the way, Obama’s apparently planning to fire a few shots across the GOP’s bow in Spanish-language media to warn them that he’s prepared to go full metal demagogue if they don’t move on amnesty soon. What’s easier for him to exploit, a bill that grants citizenship to DREAMers or a bill that leaves citizenship for all illegals hazy? I’ll leave you with this to meditate on while you form an answer:

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Update: And here we go:

Two top House Republicans are writing legislation that would craft a path to legalization for young immigrants who were brought to the United States illegally as children…

“These children came here through no fault of their own and many of them know no other home than the United States,” Goodlatte said in a statement. “This is one component of immigration reform — any successful reform plan must improve our legal immigration programs, strengthen border security and the interior enforcement of our immigration laws, and find a way to fairly deal with those who are currently in the country unlawfully.”

Goodlatte noted that it was part of the House Republicans’ “step-by-step” strategy on immigration reform.

Both of them voted against a version of DREAM three years ago, so this bill might be different in some particulars.


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Can illegals vote now? And if not, why the pressure to do anything? Legal Hispanics won’t make or break the next presidential race.

BKeyser on July 11, 2013 at 7:25 PM

No,No,NOOOO!!!!

SMACKRUNNER on July 11, 2013 at 7:26 PM

NO !
Secure the border. THEN we deal with the law breaking illegals.

stenwin77 on July 11, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Possible House GOP plan on immigration: A path to legalization, not citizenship?
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Common Sense!!

canopfor on July 11, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Don’t we have enough crap to deal with … this just isn’t necessary right now.

I despise these people in DC. They are only representing the illegals, not us.

stenwin77 on July 11, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Aaron Blake offers them a way out. Good enough?

No.

Legalization = amnesty. Illegal immigrants are supposed to be deported.

Enforce the damn law.

Stoic Patriot on July 11, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Possible House GOP plan on immigration: A path to legalization, not citizenship?

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

sharrukin on July 11, 2013 at 7:30 PM

No Bill,No time,No how! Kill this abomination in the crib(Figuratively speaking)!

SMACKRUNNER on July 11, 2013 at 7:31 PM

1. It’s a middle-ground bill. It brings illegal immigrants out of the shadows but allows Republicans to tell primary voters that they didn’t vote for “amnesty.”

Because ticking off both groups and getting nothing in the end is the best the GOP can do. What a bunch of losers. Give it to the Dems—they know how to play political hard ball.

conservative pilgrim on July 11, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Where’s KingGold and his “The GOP will betray you” reminder?

conservative pilgrim on July 11, 2013 at 7:32 PM

HA has been very low on commenting lately. Wonder why?

OmahaConservative on July 11, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Border security in exchange for a path to full citizenship for the DREAMers, the single most sympathetic class of illegals.

Obama will ignore the border security and no one will have standing to challenge this.

Wethal on July 11, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Hapless

Bmore on July 11, 2013 at 7:35 PM

In other news, latest poll has Rubio cratering to fifth place and 11% in Iowa, Cruz debuts at 10%.

Jon0815 on July 11, 2013 at 7:35 PM

So do we still not know what the meaning of IS IS?????

C kids da CONSTITUTION… DEC OF INDEPENDENCE….. et al ain’t changed…… just da definitions of da words….. as the leviathan devours INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS………

roflmmfao

donabernathy on July 11, 2013 at 7:37 PM

People don’t understand that word, Legalization. It is not for soundbites. It means they can apply for a green card to work for a set amount of time. But if you tell someone ignorant they are “legalized,” they do not think it ends or they have to go home.

Fleuries on July 11, 2013 at 7:38 PM

It’s like none of these people have ever heard of the “Motor Voter Law”

Seven Percent Solution on July 11, 2013 at 7:38 PM

Where’s KingGold and his “The GOP will betray you” reminder?

conservative pilgrim on July 11, 2013 at 7:32 PM

I’ll go one further and say they ARE betraying us, We the People and the Constitution of the United States.

Build…the…darn…fence…and…enforce…existing…laws. What part of that do they NOT understand? They don’t have to DO anything but that.

I may try calling Boehner’s offices tomorrow morning, since I have Friday off, and my own rep’s. They need to keep hearing from us.

theotherone on July 11, 2013 at 7:38 PM

No legalization! No citizenship! No amnesty! No Paul! No Rubio! No Graham! and No McCain!

redware on July 11, 2013 at 7:39 PM

For clues on what the House might do on the ILLEGAL immigration issue, here is a copy of an email that Nancy Pelosi’s office sent in response to a plea for her to vote against granting legal status to millions of ILLEGAL aliens.

Hmmm…I wonder what Nancy Pelosi’s office is telling constituents who are in favor of “Comprehensice Immigration Reform.” How do you think her email response might be different?

Thank you for contacting me to express your views on comprehensive immigration reform. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue.

I will continue to work with my House colleagues, the Obama Administration, and the Senate to pass comprehensive immigration reform. We must address the growing disconnect between our nation’s immigration policy and the reality on the ground in cities and communities across our country. Our immigration system needs to honor the promise of America and recognize the enormous contributions immigrants make to our nation. We must enact immigration reform that is humane and honors our American tradition as a nation of immigrants and a land of opportunity for all. At the same time, we must secure our borders, enforce our laws, and ensure the safety of the American people.

We must recognize that America was built by immigrants, and our immigrant communities continue to make significant contributions to our nation. The debate on immigration reform must be framed by our nation’s rich tradition of respect for our shared immigrant heritage. Please be assured that I will keep your comments in mind as we continue our work in Congress to enact immigration legislation that promotes our core American values

Thank you, again, for contacting me on this issue. I hope you will continue to communicate with me on matters of concern to you. For more information on this or other issues affecting our city and our nation, please visit my website at http://www.pelosi.house.gov/ or sign up to receive e-mail updates at http://www.pelosi.house.gov/media/pelosi-update.shtml.

best regards,
[See the attached file]
NANCY PELOSI
Member of Congress

What types of responses to your calls and emails are you getting from other elected representatives?

wren on July 11, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Look, all this citizenship talk is bull crap. It is a FACT that only 36% of the LEGAL Mexican immigrants who are eligible to become citizens have chosen to become citizens. Why? Because they get all the benefits of being in the US but still have allegiance to their home country of Mexico. In other words, they want all the goodies without the commitment.
Do you really think the 15 million ILLEGAL immigrants care about citizenship if they get all the goodies of being legal? Good luck with that one. But you better believe the majority of them will find a way to vote…. Democrat.

PhilipJames on July 11, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Not NO, but HELL NO!

These idiots are either willfully stupid or willfully traitors. What part of secure the border do they not understand? Do that first before you think of legalization, amnesty, increased guest workers, etc. They also must realize that 1) in conference anything they send will turn into amnesty 2) the idiot in chief will selectively enforce whatever “good” parts of any bill they send and not the “bad” parts 3) the supremes will rule the legalization but not citizenship as a violation of equal protection and presto-chango you have amnesty.

I want the House to pass absolutely nothing. Enforce what we already have on the books and then we can talk about new laws. If something must be passed then pass border security ONLY. Anything more than that and I walk. And I’m done with the R’s FOREVER. I’m tired of Republicans peeing on my leg and telling me it’s raining. I don’t need to vote for Socialism Lite when I can vote for the real thing with Democrats.

LtBarnwell02 on July 11, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Enforce.The.Law.

No.Reform.Needed.

ShainS on July 11, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Since Obama is sinking in public opinion on so many fronts, the GOP decides to fight back yet they accept the Dem’s premise. Essentially, they’re throwing Obama a life line. Nobody–the base or Latinos–will be happy with the GOP and the Dems will be able to pummel the GOP with a brand new “they hate Latinos” (except the white ones….) meme. They will find a way to make it happen.

The Republicans never go on offense. They’re such spineless wimps.

conservative pilgrim on July 11, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Do you really think the 15 million ILLEGAL immigrants care about citizenship if they get all the goodies of being legal? Good luck with that one. But you better believe the majority of them will find a way to vote…. Democrat.

PhilipJames on July 11, 2013 at 7:40 PM

That’s what this is all about. Freebies and an enlarged voting bloc for the Dems. It won’t last though. The weight on the economy cannot be sustained.

conservative pilgrim on July 11, 2013 at 7:47 PM

HA has been very low on commenting lately. Wonder why?

OmahaConservative on July 11, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Yeah, I’ve noticed that and wondered the same thing.

I’m personally quite cynical, depressed, and weary — it seems like 30 stories amplifying dire straits for every one with a ray of hope …

ShainS on July 11, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Republicans: “With all these scandals and Obamacare falling apart it is important we even the playing field and make our party as despicable and unelectable as the Democrats!

Ukiah on July 11, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Legal = potential citizen.
Anyone who did not follow the rules should be locked out of ever having a bite at citizenship or legalization.

astonerii on July 11, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Why is any compromise necessary at all? If the GOPers in the House have the power to shut this whole thing down and it’s been pretty well established that Hispandering by the Republicans is a pointless pursuit, why make any kind of deal?

cynccook on July 11, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Can illegals vote now? And if not, why the pressure to do anything? Legal Hispanics won’t make or break the next presidential race.

BKeyser on July 11, 2013 at 7:25 PM

.
They are voting now, BUT … that’s because of the absence of voter-ID laws, and not because of this.

listens2glenn on July 11, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Enforce.The.Law.

No.Reform.Needed.

ShainS on July 11, 2013 at 7:45 PM

.
Exactly; the path to legality and citizenship already exist.

listens2glenn on July 11, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Why is any compromise necessary at all? If the GOPers in the House have the power to shut this whole thing down and it’s been pretty well established that Hispandering by the Republicans is a pointless pursuit, why make any kind of deal?

cynccook on July 11, 2013 at 7:55 PM

I’m convinced that all but the most stupid of the caucus understand it’s not about the Hispandering anymore. Yes, it’d be nice to take away a bludgeon from the left during election time but the R’s know the D’s have all the race-based arguments sewed up for the foreseeable future (until they can get the Rube on the top ticket). Right now it’s all about kowtowing to crony capitalists like Big Agra, Koch Brothers, and other big money people that don’t want restrictions on their illegal workers. So the R’s are just trying to fill their re-election coffers while still appearing as the lesser of two evils to the unwashed masses of Republican voters.

LtBarnwell02 on July 11, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Step 1, Dems propose Dreamnesty
Step 2, Republicans oppose disaster of Dreamnesty
Step 3, Dems propose laughable train wreck worse than Dreamnesty
Step 4, Republicans propose Dreamnesty as “sensible middle ground”

It’s hard to defeat the Evil Party when all we’ve got is the Stupid Party.

CapnObvious on July 11, 2013 at 8:02 PM

Bad Chiefs elected or not, bad.

Bad Chiefs who sell out the tribe for trinkets and gold bobbles will for sure sell you out when the bid gets higher when the stakes are much higher later.

Now here within many work as scouts for the invaders, they hire them and hide the crimes.

They line their own pockets and that of the City, State, County, Water Dist., Sewer dist. etal who let the low bids go to the companies who use the most illegals and pay the illegals the least.

It is a orginazed wage slave operation by evil means of leaving OUR BORDERS WIDE OPEN. The U.S.A. is ours, not the personal property of the Two Party Evil Money Cult members who now sell out the constitution and U.S. at the same time.

Just say no and do not back down.

We are all the new Apache and they come for all the land and gold now.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on July 11, 2013 at 8:03 PM

LtBarnwell02 on July 11, 2013 at 8:00 PM

And by “all but the most stupid of the caucus” I meant the Republican caucus in the House. When I re-read that it did not seem crystal clear that’s what I was referring to.

LtBarnwell02 on July 11, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Once again…

These are two separate issues.

Secure the Border First.

Then work on common sense immigration reform and NO Amnesty because it rewards criminal behavior and exploitation.

We are either a Constitutional Republic with Sovereign Rights as a Nation or The Law has No Teeth.

workingclass artist on July 11, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Well, at least once they become “legal” they can openly protest by the millions about their second class citizenship, demanding voting right and such. Then the Dems, the MSM, and RINOs can push making them citizens or grant them every right of a citizen.

Dongemaharu on July 11, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Go ahead, they’ll still lose my support and my vote. If those effers decide not to enforce our laws then I’m not going to participate in the process.

Bishop on July 11, 2013 at 8:06 PM

This bill is DOA. The Democrats want those 20 million voters on the rolls, and they want them now.

Without them, they stand a good chance of losing control of the Senate next year, and it will be a long, cold day in a very hot place (and I don’t mean Death Valley) before they ever control even a plurality of Statehouses and state legislatures.

This is their chance to become the PRI of the United States, and there’s no way they’re going to settle for anything less.

And once they get that, the fun will really begin. From their point-of-view, that is.

But nobody else’s.

clear ether

eon

eon on July 11, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Can illegals vote now? And if not, why the pressure to do anything? Legal Hispanics won’t make or break the next presidential race.

BKeyser on July 11, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Illegals have been voting…and there is indisputable evidence of it.

The push for this by democrats is in part a reaction to states passing voter ID laws…and the democrats losing repeated court battles.

workingclass artist on July 11, 2013 at 8:09 PM

cynccook on July 11, 2013 at 7:55 PM

The immigration bill that the House will send will be a border security bill..:)

Dire Straits on July 11, 2013 at 8:10 PM

wren on July 11, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Did I miss the joke? That Pelosi email sounds exactly like Rubio’s last speech.

Dongemaharu on July 11, 2013 at 8:12 PM

…BUILD THE PHUCKIN’ FENCE!

KOOLAID2 on July 11, 2013 at 8:12 PM

It’s hard to defeat the Evil Party when all we’ve got is the Stupid Party.

CapnObvious on July 11, 2013 at 8:02 PM

I’m afraid you are right…

cynccook on July 11, 2013 at 8:19 PM

The immigration bill that the House will send will be a border security bill..:)

Dire Straits on July 11, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Hope you’re right, dear Dire!

cynccook on July 11, 2013 at 8:20 PM

HA has been very low on commenting lately. Wonder why?

OmahaConservative on July 11, 2013 at 7:33 PM

I guess after we’ve been beat down, shut down and peed on, we’re waiting for the fun to begin.

arnold ziffel on July 11, 2013 at 8:24 PM

All that does is codify and make permanent the last 5 15 25 years of non-enforcement policy, which is what Big Business really wants.

Steve Eggleston on July 11, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Legalization IS Amnesty!!!

voiceofreason on July 11, 2013 at 8:31 PM

cynccook on July 11, 2013 at 8:20 PM

I hope so too!!..Boehner has to go the border security route or lose Speaker’s position..:)

Dire Straits on July 11, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Possible House GOP plan on immigration: A path to legalization, not citizenship?

NO! FOAD.

What is so hard to understand about enforcing the law?? There is no way around the law in order to present gifts of national status of any sort to those who have shat all over our sovereignty in their invasion of our country. Anyone who wants to buckle to the invaders is a traitor who should be deported with them.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 11, 2013 at 8:39 PM

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/071113-663399-immigrants-gain-jobs-while-native-born-lose.htm?p=full

Good piece.

Interesting tidbit in this editorial is that 40% of the illegals in the country are those who came here legally but over-stayed their visas. We obviously need better interior enforcement.

The article also questions why there are so many “in the shadows” if NSA is keeping track of every jot and tittle of our citizenry.

onlineanalyst on July 11, 2013 at 8:40 PM

As I predicted. They couldn’t possibly leave this alone. And it WILL be amnesty. Just wait.

rrpjr on July 11, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Has anyone ever thought to ask the ILLEGALS if they even want citizenship? Or are they just here for the MONEY?

GarandFan on July 11, 2013 at 8:42 PM

A little hocus-pocus. It’s not how we start, it’s how we finish. “I’d like a little Democratic dressing on my salad pease”

RdLake on July 11, 2013 at 8:43 PM

If republicans are evil enough to give illegals a path to legalization but not citizenship, I will be the first to campaign for full citizenship.

We can not be a free people if we respect rights to some permanent legal residents but not others. We do not want to be an apartheid society of classes, where some can vote, receive public services, be free to pursue happiness and other’s are restricted. If we do that with illegals today, our children will do it with any other “unwanted group” tomorrow. It’s suicidal to give illegals citizenship, but America and the world will rise up against us if we deny that to them while letting the reside here legally.

elfman on July 11, 2013 at 8:45 PM

I’ve said this several times: Carve illegal immigrants into categories, many of which Democrats can’t object to without looking unreasonable.

Visa overstayer? Deported. These are 40% of all illegal immigrants. And no matter how long it takes to pop up on the radar screen, deported. And forever barred from citizenship. Four or five of the 911 murders were visa overstayers. These are fairly professional types; they knew the rules. They aren’t the baby seals we always read about swimming across the Rio Grande for a better life.

Arrived after 2010? Deported. Your roots aren’t deep enough.

Convicted of anything but a strict liability crime (speeding)? Deported. Shouldn’t public safety be paramount?

Member of a gang? Deported. Same reason.

Used a stolen or fabricated identity to arrive or remain? Deported. These people have broken at least two laws. What kind of citizens would they make? Sure, they’d make great Dems, but I asked about citizens.

Now, we’re down to longer-standing illegal immigrants who managed to keep their noses clean. Here, I’ll open the door to possibilities. Remember, we’d have whittled the population down already. One suggestion might be legalization for those who came here as adults, but never make them citizens. And as for those who came as minors, create some lengthy path to citizenship, which gets derailed up the commission of any crime other than a strict-liability offense.

In the end, I’m tired of the all-or-nothing approach. I think that by whacking the big group into different groups, the GOP can garner a great deal of support and, also, get the public to zero in on the shite the Dems are trying to pull.

BuckeyeSam on July 11, 2013 at 8:45 PM

BTW: why aren’t the House members of the GOP tied to the hip with the unions representing the border patrol, ICE, and the group dealing with assimilation? They should be the baby seals of the right, along with citizen workers who’ll be hurt by the influx of low-skilled workers.

BuckeyeSam on July 11, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Legalization is essentially the whole ball game. There then will be all kinds of bleeding heart cries for citizenship and for all kinds of expensive benefits, plus they’ll bring over their extended families or claimed families (DNA tests will be ruled a privacy violation). What a magnet that would create for more illegals.

Besides, why reward illegals for breaking our laws. Would Mexico – h@@L no.
http://michellemalkin.com/2013/03/27/reminder-how-mexico-treats-undesirable-foreigners/

Immigration reform should be about what is best for US citizens, not what is best for the illegals! Why is that a new idea for our elected congressmen?

Real reform should include an end to our really stupid birthright citizenship.

Chessplayer on July 11, 2013 at 8:58 PM

I will never vote for anyone who votes for any bill that establishes a path to citizenship for persons here illegally. why? because it screws the millions who want to become us citizens the legal way, or who have already done so, thats why.

Labamigo on July 11, 2013 at 8:59 PM

HA has been very low on commenting lately. Wonder why?

OmahaConservative on July 11, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Palin/Abortion/Global Warming are the big hit-generators.
Find a way to combine these themes, and you’ll have hits.

massrighty on July 11, 2013 at 9:11 PM

A freeper responds and objects to the DREAMers boondoggle:

I’m not okay with that. Parents raise their children abroad in foreign countries legally all the time—without them somehow because of that earning citizenship in that country. Businessmen, diplomats, NGO workers, missionaries, etc., all raise their children abroad—but legally—and it is not some undue hardship that the children do not automatically become citizens of that country.

The same should apply even more so with children brought in and raised here illegally!

onlineanalyst on July 11, 2013 at 9:18 PM

GOP — you idiots — you are about to lose your base and gain nothing.

Amnesty/pathway/ANY special consideration is just a break in the damn of full amnesty for EVERYONE.

JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS – I thought Boehner said it was all about jobs! 23 million unemployed Americans and this is just the start of a flood of amnesty provisions that Dems will get in conference and add 10 to 30 million green cards. DUH! Double DUH!!

NO NO NO!!!

Call your Congressman in DC office for free, using a liberal open borders front group’s toll free number

1-888-979-7506

and open borders PICO front group pays for your call!!

http://www.piconetwork.org/issues/immigration

fred5678 on July 11, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Legal status is status. Once they have status it is just a matter of time before they get amnesty.

aniptofar on July 11, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Has anyone ever thought to ask the ILLEGALS if they even want citizenship? Or are they just here for the MONEY?

GarandFan on July 11, 2013 at 8:42 PM

They’re here to take advantage of all of the social services and to send their remittances back home. Citizenship is not their goal. Too many illegals already vote via sloppy ID practices (if any) at the polls, false documentation, and motor-voter tricks.

onlineanalyst on July 11, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Create a legalized class of serfs for some employers? Didn’t we fight a Civil War to abolish any such thing?

VorDaj on July 11, 2013 at 9:54 PM

Well, at least once they become “legal” they can openly protest by the millions about their second class citizenship, demanding voting right and such. Then the Dems, the MSM, and RINOs can push making them citizens or grant them every right of a citizen.

Dongemaharu on July 11, 2013 at 8:06 PM

That would be the plan.

VorDaj on July 11, 2013 at 9:58 PM

I invite republicans to suck my dick if they legalize any foreign national who is here illegally without first making the border secure, controlling visa overstays, completely implementing E-verify, and abolishing the “right” of citizenship for babies born of foreign nationals who are here illegally.

jaime on July 11, 2013 at 10:00 PM

jaime on July 11, 2013 at 10:00 PM

Oh jeezus Edith, awesome. How did you get that one through? Way to go. Let me add kind sir. When is anyone of those feckless mofos going to step up and ask why immigration enforcement promised in 19effin86 never happened?

arnold ziffel on July 11, 2013 at 10:41 PM

Very much worth reading:
http://www.trevorloudon.com/2013/07/gop-immigration-plan-devised-by-communist-party/

The Dems have done their part; the Republicans are dupes.

Look at the cast of characters in the article and their roots, going all the way back to the ’60′s.

onlineanalyst on July 11, 2013 at 10:59 PM

A path to legalization, not citizenship?

A better title would be “A Distinction Without a Difference.”

Pattosensei on July 12, 2013 at 12:29 AM

Doesn’t matter. If they stick to this, Dems will never go for it. They will never accept a bill that doesn’t give them new voters. Just a time waster to defang anti-Hispanic allegations/smears.

crrr6 on July 12, 2013 at 1:35 AM

And then the supine SCOTUS will say that “legalization” without a chance for a path to citizenship is discriminatory, thus unConstitutional, so the basic idea is national suicidal stupidity once again.

NO! to anything but securing the border and enforcing the existing laws.

The rest is deceit.

profitsbeard on July 12, 2013 at 2:11 AM

This plan is just as stupid as the citizenship plan.

The issue isn’t with “citizenship” it is with giving these illegals any kind of legal status before enforcement measures are taken for a number of years to reduce (a) the number of illegals currently here – mostly through self-deportation – and (b) significantly reduce the flow of illegals.

Granting legalization does not address either of those concerns and still produces HUGE incentives for millions more to enter the U.S. legally.

does anyone really believe that many of the illegals care about citizenship? No, they care about legalization because then they are eligible for all the entitlements, eligible to work, etc.

these people simply don’t get it.

They believe that all we care about is “citizenship”?

And, the article is correct that in 4 years, after legalizing the illegals’ status, there will be a “crisis” regarding giving them citizenship. So, we won’t even have taken this whole issue off the table.

These people are insane.

Monkeytoe on July 12, 2013 at 8:07 AM

By the way, that poll is b.s.

All polls show that a majority of Americans oppose amnesty.

So, how is it possible that 83% of conservatives are in favor of a “path to citizenship”?

That is simply b.s.

Monkeytoe on July 12, 2013 at 8:10 AM

What I say is, pass a law that gives current illegals the following option:

Given that they are illegals, and have already broken the law, here is what we do: we let by goes be by gones on their illegality, and offer them a green card WITHOUT ELIGIBILITY OF CITIZENSHIP EVER – they can be resident aliens in perpetuity. Now they are legal, but the fact that they broke in originally had a fair price. OR, and at their option, they can leave, apply for a green card in their own countries, and come here again legally, the way my parents did, when their turn comes, and have all the options of eventual citizenship open to them according to the law.

Fair enough? They can stay, live and work here, but no citizenship ever. Or they can go back, do it all over the right way, and no penalty for the way they stole in once before. Either way, they get something for free, and we get to not give citizenship, the highest privilege we can give a foreigner, to someone who broke into our house and demanded it, as it were.

Dirty Creature on July 12, 2013 at 8:58 AM

I suspect that if we made sure that anyone here illegally could never vote in our elections, the politicians would lose interest quickly.

flataffect on July 12, 2013 at 1:20 PM

By the way, that poll is b.s.

All polls show that a majority of Americans oppose amnesty.

So, how is it possible that 83% of conservatives are in favor of a “path to citizenship”?

That is simply b.s.

Monkeytoe on July 12, 2013 at 8:10 AM

Because the pollsters are deceitfully vague about what they consider as “favoring a path”.

Technically “Go home and apply like everyone else” is a path, so that’s lumped in with the shamnesty supporters to pad the numbers.

CapnObvious on July 12, 2013 at 2:38 PM