Video: Black ministers cross the aisle to endorse Christie over school vouchers

posted at 6:41 pm on July 9, 2013 by Allahpundit

Lay aside your annoyance at Christie for five minutes and savor this clip. Not because he’s on the right side of the issue, which he is, but because anything that helps move the Democratic Overton window away from shilling for teachers’ unions towards vouchers is a public good. This isn’t so much an endorsement as an anti-endorsement, in fact. Jackson makes a point of emphasizing that he was, and is, a Democrat. But school choice is important enough to lower-class black students that he’s forced to be a single-issue voter this time, especially after Jersey Dems stripped a measly $2 million for a pilot voucher program from the state’s new $33 billion budget. This issue is, for the moment, a litmus test for Democrats nationally. Maybe it doesn’t need to be forever.

If you don’t have time to watch now, that’s okay. You’ll be seeing bits of this vid again in two years, assuming Christie does what we all expect him to do and runs for president.


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I’m against school vouchers.

If families are going to take advantage of state-funded education, then they should make use of what’s available in their own neighborhood. This is the only way schools will work, if people are and feel personally invested them.

Vouchers are more Big Government bloat.

sartana on July 9, 2013 at 6:45 PM

I’ve been saying for years that vouchers is the one issue that Republicans could use to reach some of these voters. Black families are tired of their children having to attend dangerous and low performing public schools.

Rose on July 9, 2013 at 6:47 PM

That black dude is RACIST against black people. Effin racist.

And Christie is fat, a fat racist who hangs out with other chubby racists.

Bishop on July 9, 2013 at 6:48 PM

D’oh. Why aren’t Dems pro choice?

Oil Can on July 9, 2013 at 6:48 PM

giving the bamster a hummer for sandy is paying off bigtime for the fat man.

renalin on July 9, 2013 at 6:49 PM

If families are going to take advantage of state-funded education, then they should make use of what’s available in their own neighborhood. This is the only way schools will work, if people are and feel personally invested them.

Vouchers are more Big Government bloat.

sartana on July 9, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Sorry but no. It’s our tax money and we should be able to target it at a more effective choice if we want to. That is the antithesis of big government.

MikeknaJ on July 9, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Tea Baggers?

Bmore on July 9, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Ha, the NEA will be pissed…

Get a pant load at their website.
http://www.nea.org

redguy on July 9, 2013 at 6:52 PM

I hear the Barack H. Obowma charter middle school is a fine institution…

Seven Percent Solution on July 9, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Of course charter schools and vouchers seem like a good option for communities where education has been systematically under funded for decades. Democrats certainly have no cred on the issue.

libfreeordie on July 9, 2013 at 6:55 PM

A fringe benefit for hugging Obama & helping to sink Romney in ’12?

You betcha.

portlandon on July 9, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Black families are tired of their children having to attend dangerous and low performing public schools.

Rose on July 9, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Schools are not “dangerous and low performing.”

The students who attend them can be. If you take dangerous and low-performing students and send them to other schools, then those schools will eventually also deteriorate. It’s putting the cart before the horse to think that improving schools will improve students.

The focus should be on isolating the trouble students and why there seem to be so many of them.

Vouchers are just another way ignoring the real problem.

sartana on July 9, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Christie has annoyed me and everyone here at Hot Air since November, but AP is right, let’s savor this video.

What Christie is doing here is right and its great to see the African-American community in NJ poke the eye the local and national Democratic Teacher Union machine.

Lance Murdock on July 9, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Schools are not “dangerous and low performing.”

The students who attend them can be. If you take dangerous and low-performing students and send them to other schools, then those schools will eventually also deteriorate. It’s putting the cart before the horse to think that improving schools will improve students.

The focus should be on isolating the trouble students and why there seem to be so many of them.

Vouchers are just another way ignoring the real problem.

sartana on July 9, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Jeez, even I think you’re a moby…this is so intense…

libfreeordie on July 9, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Of course charter schools and vouchers seem like a good option for communities where education has been systematically under funded for decades. Democrats certainly have no cred on the issue.

libfreeordie on July 9, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Underfunded? Underfunded. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Minneapolis school funding is off the charts and they can barely graduate 50% of their HS students.

Out in my hick district we somehow manage to get 90%+ through with a fifth of the money.

Underfunded.

Bishop on July 9, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Of course charter schools and vouchers seem like a good option for communities where education has been systematically under funded for decades. Democrats certainly have no cred on the issue.

libfreeordie on July 9, 2013 at 6:55 PM

I really don’t think funding is the issue. It’s the bureaucracy and parent’s not getting involved in their child’s education that’s the real problem.

Plus, people view school as a day care…it’s not.

terryannonline on July 9, 2013 at 7:01 PM

How any man of God can remain a democrat is beyond me.

paul1149 on July 9, 2013 at 7:02 PM

MikeknaJ on July 9, 2013 at 6:50 PM

The people who will make use of vouchers will be mostly families who are not paying enough in taxes to cover their children’s education to begin with. So in their case, it’s being paid for by their fellow citizens. In that case, they should make use of what’s in their own neighborhood, and themselves be responsible for the education their children get. Not ship their under-performing or problem children off for someone else to take care of.

The problem is not with the schools, it’s with the children and the parents who don’t raise them.

You don’t fix bad parenting with good schools.

sartana on July 9, 2013 at 7:03 PM

If Jesse Jackson is endorsing anything then there is something wrong with it.

bgibbs1000 on July 9, 2013 at 7:03 PM

Vouchers are just another way ignoring the real problem.

sartana on July 9, 2013 at 6:56 PM

vouchers are the way to reduce the damage that unions do to education, having more of the kids learn is better than what we have

DanMan on July 9, 2013 at 7:03 PM

sartana on July 9, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Public schools refuse to deal with the problems. Give the families the opportunity to get out and attend a school that will give their children a chance. You are defending the wrong thing. The liberals who control public education will never fix the problems and more money isn’t the answer.

Rose on July 9, 2013 at 7:04 PM

he’s right on this, even a blind squirrel gets a nut once in a while. I for one will never vote for this guy ever again.

lostinjrz on July 9, 2013 at 7:05 PM

I’m against school vouchers.
If families are going to take advantage of state-funded education, then they should make use of what’s available in their own neighborhood. This is the only way schools will work, if people are and feel personally invested them.
Vouchers are more Big Government bloat.

sartana on July 9, 2013 at 6:45 PM

What on earth does whether it’s in their neighborhood or not have to do with whether a person is personally invested? If my kid is going to a school, then I am personally invested whether the school is here or across the country. And if my kid isn’t in the school, then my personal investment is drastically low no matter where it is located.

“They should make use of what’s in their own neighborhood” is the exact same line anti-competitive busybodies use whenever they want to kill free enterprise. They’ve been doing that with healthcare for decades, refusing to let people buy and sell insurance across state lines.

RINO in Name Only on July 9, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Oh, the “underfunded” canard.

Eduction, when you get down to it, is nothing more than sitting down and reading a book, and listening attentively to lectures.

You can throw ten hundred million dollars at a kid, but if he doesn’t do that, it’s just wasted.

sartana on July 9, 2013 at 7:07 PM

How any man of God can remain a democrat is beyond me.

paul1149 on July 9, 2013 at 7:02 PM

I’ve been a church goer for quite a while and I’m always surprised how many Democrats are in the pews.

terryannonline on July 9, 2013 at 7:10 PM

sartana on July 9, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Many schools are under performing because nobody in the family places a value on education. They don’t care if Johnny did his homework, they don’t care if Jane got an “F”. Those kids have no desire or incentive to make their time at school productive, and as a result they tend to drag the rest of school down with them.

If that happens to be the closest school to your home, but you want to make sure your child has the best opportunity – then use the voucher to liberate them and get them into a better performing school. Families that make the effort to seek-out better schools, and use vouchers, are more likely to monitor their child’s performance – and those children are more likely to be successful.

In my opinion, the families using vouchers, aren’t the families with dangerous, low-performing students – rather they’re the families that are inclined to use whatever means necessary to get their children a better education.

Hill60 on July 9, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Vouchers are just another way ignoring the real problem.

sartana on July 9, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Yes, and the ‘real problem’ is incompetent teachers that the greedy unions protect from being fired. Until we can break the greedy teacher unions, vouchers will have to do.

slickwillie2001 on July 9, 2013 at 7:14 PM

So,according to a Democrat supporter,
the Liberals have had a Cat O Strophic Failure,

and coincidentally,just like,

The Hopey/Changey Team!!

canopfor on July 9, 2013 at 7:14 PM

While I fully agree you don’t fix bad parenting with schools and its asinine (parricularly in New Jersey) to say schools are “underfunded”, I am 100% in favor of vouchers. If students are trapped in monopoly “neighborhood” schools controlled by unions they get shafted, particularly the kids with two attentive parents ambitious for their kids. Totally screwed.

The lefty trolls are getting bad here lately, apropos of nothing at all.

MTF on July 9, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Vouchers allow the kids who really do want to learn a chance to do so.
It’s difficult for these kids to escape the damage done to schools by those who just don’t care.

Rose on July 9, 2013 at 7:18 PM

If that happens to be the closest school to your home, but you want to make sure your child has the best opportunity – then use the voucher to liberate them and get them into a better performing school. Families that make the effort to seek-out better schools, and use vouchers, are more likely to monitor their child’s performance – and those children are more likely to be successful.

Hill60 on July 9, 2013 at 7:11 PM

That’s the ideal, isn’t it? But how often do government programs live up to the stated ideal? What will happen is that the trouble students will end up ruining the schools that they’re sent to.

Those kids have no desire or incentive to make their time at school productive, and as a result they tend to drag the rest of school down with them.

This is the problem that needs to be targeted directly. Vouchers do not remedy this- they’re just another way of running from it.

sartana on July 9, 2013 at 7:18 PM

A voucher means control by the parents.
And the parents will choose GOOD schools.
Lefties don’t want either one.

pambi on July 9, 2013 at 7:20 PM

America spends more on education per capita than all other countries in the world with the sole exception of Luxembourg.

Funding is not why 80% of high school graduates in NYC are illiterate.

Funding is not why 79% of Chicago 8th graders are not proficient in reading (80% in math, which includes 40%, who rated ‘basic’ and 40%, who rated ‘below basic.’). According to the US Department of Education, only 3% of Chicago’s 8th graders rate ‘basic’ and 36% who rated ‘below basic.’

Funding is not why only 37% of the adult population in Chicago is at Level 1 in literacy.

Funding is not why only 37% of the adult population in Los Angeles is at Level 1 in literacy.

Funding is not why only 34% of the adult population in Philadelphia is at Level 1 in literacy.

Funding is not why only 38% of the adult population in Atlanta is at Level 1 in literacy.

Funding is not why only 35% of the adult population in St Louis is at Level 1 in literacy.

Funding is not why only 37% of the adult population in Washington, DC is at Level 1 in literacy.

Funding is not why only 38% of the adult population in Cleveland is at Level 1 in literacy.

Funding is not why only 36% of the adult population in New York is at Level 1 in literacy.

Funding is not why only 38% of the adult population in Detroit is at Level 1 in literacy.

Now, funding DID play a role in the testing fraud in Atlanta.

Resist We Much on July 9, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Yup,…….Democrats are Absurd!!!!

canopfor on July 9, 2013 at 7:20 PM

But…but….but King Barry is FOR the Teacher’s Union! Don’t they want to support ‘the brother’? Even if it means their kids get a 3rd class education?

GarandFan on July 9, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Funding should start at home.

Bmore on July 9, 2013 at 7:23 PM

It’s difficult for these kids to escape the damage done to schools by those who just don’t care.

Rose on July 9, 2013 at 7:18 PM

It doesn’t matter how crappy the teacher, or how overcrowded the classroom. If you take your work home and put effort in, you get your education.

If the parents don’t like their local school, they can work hard, save their money and move to a neighborhood with better families and better schools. If they don’t have the means to do so, then they should put their effort into fixing their own neighborhoods and schools.

They could also take a bit more of their own time to tutor their children each night.

The horror. The horror.

sartana on July 9, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Of course charter schools and vouchers seem like a good option for communities where education has been systematically under funded for decades. Democrats certainly have no cred on the issue.
 
libfreeordie on July 9, 2013 at 6:55 PM

 
Good to see you, libfreeordie. We missed you on today’s abortion thread that you fled hardly six hours ago:
 
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/07/09/federal-judge-blocks-new-wi-abortion-limit-law/comment-page-3/#comment-7149388
 
BTW, did you know less than 5% of abortions are the result of rape/incest or to save the life of the mother?
 
Speaking of no cred, you ran away without responding to your request for the data, so I wanted to be sure you knew what the Guttmacher Institute had determined.
 
Happy to help, boo.

rogerb on July 9, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Vouchers allow the kids who really do want to learn a chance to do so.

Rose on July 9, 2013 at 7:18 PM

“Bad schools” do not stop children from learning.

Good schools do not guarantee a good education.

sartana on July 9, 2013 at 7:26 PM

I hear the Barack H. Obowma charter middle school is a fine institution…

Seven Percent Solution on July 9, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Seven Percent Solution:Tou mean,haha,….

…..The Chef Schooling of Dog Culinary:)

canopfor on July 9, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Did sartana and libfreeordie suddenly switch accounts?

Steve Eggleston on July 9, 2013 at 7:26 PM

If the parents don’t like their local school, they can work hard, save their money and move to a neighborhood with better families and better schools.

sartana on July 9, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Fu- ck off you pompous jerk. It is not just that simple to get up and move . By that time it is 2-3 years later and the damage is done. GO puke elsewhere .

CW on July 9, 2013 at 7:27 PM

A voucher means control by the parents.
And the parents will choose GOOD schools.
Lefties don’t want either one.

pambi on July 9, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Competition does wonders.

CW on July 9, 2013 at 7:30 PM

By that time it is 2-3 years later and the damage is done.

Agreed. There is really a short time period for good education. Usually getting a good pay increase takes time….especially in this economy.

terryannonline on July 9, 2013 at 7:33 PM

systematically under funded for decades.

libfreeordie on July 9, 2013 at 6:55 PM

You mean under-parented?

The poor in the country have much blame to put on themselves. Grow the f up.

CW on July 9, 2013 at 7:34 PM

New Jersey 2012
***************

Education
Funding
Report
Feb 23 2012
***********

http://www.nj.gov/education/stateaid/1213/report.pdf

canopfor on July 9, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Arguing in favor of union control of schools is bizarre. Suggesting families uproot their entire lives if their schools are bad is ridiculous on its face, as it is to say good students in bad schools should just lump it and accept their lot in life. Wait! Maybe it isn’t ridiculous! Maybe it’s racist public union BS! Yes, maybe that’s what it is, and maybe public unions are hiring trolls to push their POV in an effort to fight more deterioration of their power….

MTF on July 9, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Education News and Analysis for New Jersey
July 9 2013
***********

http://www.njspotlight.com/education/

canopfor on July 9, 2013 at 7:44 PM

That this is even a major posting on a conservative website is quite telling. The road to changing black voters’ minds when it comes to changing their democrat voting addiction is a dead end.

SouthernGent on July 9, 2013 at 7:48 PM

sartana on July 9, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Bad schools do keep kids from learning. A lot of these teachers have given up. They have no control of their classrooms and so even the kids who want to learn don’t have the opportunity to do so.

Rose on July 9, 2013 at 7:48 PM

The problem is not with the schools, it’s with the children and the parents who don’t raise them.

You don’t fix bad parenting with good schools.

sartana on July 9, 2013 at 7:03 PM

You have no idea what you are talking about and are stereotyping terribly. There are countless families – good families with parents who are involved and trying their best – who are stuck in crap schools and would give their right eye to be able to give their children a better option. These are not bad kids nor are they bad parents. And you accusing them of being such is just plain ignorant.

MikeknaJ on July 9, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Christies ability and willingness to do battle with the public employee unions nationally would be worth having him as president.

They and their pensions are the single biggest impediment to the nations future..

rickyricardo on July 9, 2013 at 8:06 PM

I believe President Bush called it ‘the soft bigotry of low expectations’. It is real and rampant in many government schools, often the ones in cities, and parents interested enough should be empowered to break their kids out of it.

mdavt on July 9, 2013 at 8:21 PM

You have no idea what you are talking about and are stereotyping terribly.

MikeknaJ on July 9, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Where’d you go to school. My parents worked hard, saved money and bought a house in an area known for the quality of the schools. By the time I went to elementary, ninety-percent of the students at the school just around the corner were bussed in from South Central and East LA. I spent recess and lunch fighting, my time in the class listening to to idiots mouthing off, and every evening studying. I got A’s and B’s till my parents pulled me out and sent me to a private Jewish-run school at great cost.

However bad the environment at the public school was, I still got my education because I worked for it. A handful of the bussed-in students actually wanted to learn and were capable of real learning and would probably have benefited from a better environment. But for every one of them who might have taken advantage of vouchers, there would be a hundred low-brow punks who would also take the vouchers and follow those kids to the new school and make that one crap as well.

Vouchers would just spread the poo around.

If you can’t afford to provide your children the education you want for them, don’t have them until you do. If you have kids, but little money, spend the money you do have more wisley and put more time in to tutor them yourself, and they’ll be fine.

There’s no doubt that some children would benefit from vouchers, but that’s true of any government program. With vouchers however, like every other government program, the bloat will outweigh the benefit.

sartana on July 9, 2013 at 8:25 PM

And I should add that we’ve had for decades a form of a voucher program in forced bussing.

They began taking kids from “bad schools” in minority areas and sending them to “good schools” in white areas. With the result that the good schools became crap when flooded with the crap students, and now no one who lives in the area sends their kids there and a crap load of money is spent on the transportation infrastructure that’s required.

sartana on July 9, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Seven Oreos and a cracka’.

Very Truly Yours,
Teachers Union Stooge

Roc on July 9, 2013 at 8:39 PM

libfreeordie on July 9, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Underfunded? You mean like D.C.?

Cindy Munford on July 9, 2013 at 8:40 PM

I’m thrilled when Christie does a good job in New Jersey. He’s great, just what they need. He is not what the nation needs.

Cindy Munford on July 9, 2013 at 8:41 PM

You are…stereotyping terribly.

MikeknaJ on July 9, 2013 at 8:04 PM

I do it all the time! A lingering after-effect of my public education.

Although I choose to characterize it as “stereotyping righteously“.

sartana on July 9, 2013 at 8:41 PM

sartana on July 9, 2013 at 8:33 PM

I agree that busing was evil. I’m sorry you had to be a part of that. But vouchers would not force kids to go anywhere. We are talking about a voluntary system. And private schools do not have to participate if they choose not to.

Rose on July 9, 2013 at 8:58 PM

I’m against school vouchers.

If families are going to take advantage of state-funded education, then they should make use of what’s available in their own neighborhood. This is the only way schools will work, if people are and feel personally invested them.

Vouchers are more Big Government bloat.

sartana on July 9, 2013 at 6:45 PM

I agree, and along with charter schools it’s a vehicle for siphoning more money away from the taxpayer and into some entity’s bank account. And if the voucher money goes to a private or charter school, what sort of standards must be met-what sort of oversight is there concerning that money?

If a school is really that terrible, let’s be honest here-that community is terrible.

Close down the failing schools in high crime communities. If the kids really want to go to school, then great-they can commute. If the hooligans want to play hooky, fine, let them. Obviously little learning is going in some of these schools anyway and are just a waste of resources and provide no security for the decent kids and probably not for the staff, either.

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 9, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Of course charter schools and vouchers seem like a good option for communities where education has been systematically under funded for decades. Democrats certainly have no cred on the issue.

libfreeordie on July 9, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Public education in the solid-Dem state of Hawai’i has been over funded for decades. The results are unchanged.

F- (As usual)

Del Dolemonte on July 9, 2013 at 9:17 PM

this is so intense…

libfreeordie on July 9, 2013 at 7:00 PM

(Lights banana)

Del Dolemonte on July 9, 2013 at 9:18 PM

Of course charter schools and vouchers seem like a good option for communities where education has been systematically under funded for decades. Democrats certainly have no cred on the issue.

libfreeordie on July 9, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Oh, you mean underfunded like Washington D.C.? Where the dollars spent per student is the highest in the nation? Which has one of the highest illiteracy rates among graduating students in the nation. Underfunded like that? Where Obama nixed vouchers?

Democrats certainly have no cred on the issue.

Is there an issue where Democrats have any cred? Well other than food stamps, obamaphones and givin’ away other peoples money?

Oldnuke on July 9, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Underfunded? You mean like D.C.?

Cindy Munford on July 9, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Dang it! Get outta my head and stop typing so fast. Well at least give me handicap for arthritis.

Oldnuke on July 9, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Me thinks this is/was the payoff from BO.

mmcnamer1 on July 9, 2013 at 9:25 PM

ibfreeordie on July 9, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Good to see you, libfreeordie. We missed you on today’s abortion thread that you fled hardly six hours ago:

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/07/09/federal-judge-blocks-new-wi-abortion-limit-law/comment-page-3/#comment-7149388

rogerb on July 9, 2013 at 7:26 PM

We also pwned libfree on a headline thread just a few hours back.

Sequester City!

Del Dolemonte on July 9, 2013 at 9:31 PM

This is a great wedge issue and should also be used on hispanics…in fact on anyone who is stuck sending their kids to failing public schools. It is a great blue-collar issue as well.

It will save tax payers money, bring competition into education (always a good thing), produce much better results…in other words the end product (students) is better.

The slogans almost write themselves:

“Republicans believe in emancipation. Always have and always will.”

“Freedom from educational bondage is today what freeing the slaves was in Lincoln’s day”

“Education is the most important thing for a free man to have, so democrats let my people go!”

and many, many more….

Sadly I am sure all the ones that are good will not be used by milk toast GOPers because they are too controversial. They are scared of their shadow.

William Eaton on July 9, 2013 at 9:45 PM

Seems a few trolls are upset that certain of their party are getting uppity and walking off the plantation.

CurtZHP on July 9, 2013 at 9:51 PM

I taught for a few years in a relatively decent public school. All three of my children graduated from a public school.

I support vouchers.

I believe school choice is the only way to force public schools to improve. And if they don’t, at least the children given a choice have the opportunity to receive a decent education.

It took about 30 years but I’ve even convinced my ex who almost never changes his mind about anything.

This is a winning issue for the right(seriously Democrats siding with Christie). It should be a major focus, in my humble opinion.

bertielou on July 9, 2013 at 9:56 PM

he’s right on this, even a blind squirrel gets a nut once in a while. I for one will never vote for this guy ever again.

lostinjrz on July 9, 2013 at 7:05 PM

Makes two of us. I’m still glad I voted for Lonegan in the primary.

njrob on July 9, 2013 at 10:03 PM

one of the reason NJ has an income tax is to fund schools

RonK on July 9, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Good for Christie and the Black ministers. Blacks in Los Angeles also went after vouchers and got them. How dems live with trapping these kids in these horrible schools is beyond me. But the Teachers union is the most powerful union supporting Obama. Sickening.

Charm on July 10, 2013 at 12:17 AM

You don’t fix bad parenting with good schools.

sartana on July 9, 2013 at 7:03 PM

Umm… how come the same low-performing, low-income students do so very well once given free scholarships to Catholic schools?

Propaganda is more important than education in today’s public schools. Common-Core History is a chapter on women’s rights, one on the environment, one on minority rights, one on gay rights, and a paragraph on the constitution.

theCork on July 10, 2013 at 12:32 AM

Charter schools are a sop to mollify a statistically significant number of parents, in order to avert a critical mass of parents who would otherwise clamor for vouchers.

THE only solution is full-value vouchers. Anyone who opposes that should be politically drawn and quartered.

rasqual on July 10, 2013 at 12:32 AM

The conservative ideals will never win unless they have someone like Christie pushing that way. Yes, he is not classical conservative, but he conveys the message well as opposed to so many
other public figures. Ted Cruz is also very clear, just a little stuffy. Christie is smart and articulate and fat or not fat
(hat tip to Weird Al, “you ain’t fat, you ain’t nothing!”)-he is
articulate and would hammer hillery into sausage links.

Trebuchet on July 10, 2013 at 12:49 AM

THE only solution is full-value vouchers. Anyone who opposes that should be politically drawn and quartered.

rasqual on July 10, 2013 at 12:32 AM

Oh do go on!

I’d like to see those who insist on vouchers bent over and buggered with a giant frozen banana- dipped in chocolate, rolled in nuts.

Can we do lunch?

sartana on July 10, 2013 at 1:46 AM

Umm… how come the same low-performing, low-income students do so very well once given free scholarships to Catholic schools?

theCork on July 10, 2013 at 12:32 AM

Umm… which ones? You mean the ones who get a B just for showing up and being Hispanic?

Once a program like this gets started it turns into a cash-cow behemoth for those who man the bureaucracy and for the schools that participate and the results are doctored to keep the racket alive and growing. Your statistics are bogus.

I attended a very prestigious all-male Jesuit high school that took, for the most part, only the best of the best from all around LA County, and I saw first hand how grades were inflated not only for the minority “charity admittances”, but also for those kids who got admitted solely because their parents had big money, political pull or long-time family associations with the school. As if a private institution is somehow less corruptible!

sartana on July 10, 2013 at 2:16 AM

Umm… how come the same low-performing, low-income students do so very well once given free scholarships to Catholic schools?

theCork on July 10, 2013 at 12:32 AM

I’ve read research that backs up what you say, but then there’s research that says there is no correlation (Center for Education Policy).

I think that children do better in schools that for one are not hell holes, and two that have parents that give a damn and have high expectations for their children.

Also, if one were to say that kids that attend public school are not as successful as those that don’t is obviously hogwash.

But I agree with the point that parents should have the right to oversee their children’s education as in where they will be educated. However, as a taxpayer I don’t feel comfortable with public moneys going to a church school or a secular private school. And I pay school taxes-but I also pay fire protection taxes whether my house catches on fire or not, so paying for other folk’s kid’s education is a non-argument for me.

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 10, 2013 at 2:18 AM

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 10, 2013 at 2:18 AM

Not to mention that you’d be paying twice or more under a voucher system.

Let’s say a voucher program were enacted in Los Angeles and twenty percent of students in the LAUSD took advantage of them to attend private schools. Do you think the LAUSD budget would shrink by twenty percent and that money would follow those students to cover the tuition at the private school? Hell no; the LAUSD budget would stay exactly the same only the taxpayers would be stuck now with paying the added cost for voucher to the private school.

So you’re paying once for public school education your child will never get because you don’t want to send him to the public school that’s crap because it’s flooded with your “more fertile” betters who, when they’re not plotting gang fights, suck up all the class time with needing to be “inspired” before they can actually be taught. Then you pay a second time for your son’s actual education at a private. Then you pay a third time for one of our “more fertile” betters public tuition. Then a fourth time to cover his new voucher.

So you’re paying twice for your own kid, and twice for some other kid to sail through the system with minimal effort, inflated grades and a token degree in Chicano Studies so he can ultimately take your kid’s job due to affirmative action necessitated by all that subtle institutional racism.

And you never get the chance to press that shiny “reset” button; you just shut up and eat your peas.

sartana on July 10, 2013 at 3:47 AM