New kingmaker in post-Islamist Egypt: Even crazier Islamists

posted at 12:41 pm on July 8, 2013 by Allahpundit

You know the rule. With few exceptions, whatever follows upheaval in the Middle East is worse than what preceded it. Egypt’s right on track.

If you’re unfamiliar with the Nour (a.k.a. Salafist) party, they’re the people who wanted Egypt’s new constitution to be even more hardline in its devotion to sharia than the Muslim Brotherhood did. I wonder what’ll follow them after they take power and inevitably fail too.

The Al Nour party, widely regarded two years ago as bumbling amateurs, now has unique leverage. It was the only Islamist party to support removing Mr. Morsi, despite his ties to the more moderate Islamists of the Muslim Brotherhood. And the sight of Al Nour’s bearded sheik, standing behind the general who announced the takeover on television, was the only signal to Egyptian voters that the move had not been an attack on Islam, as some of the ousted president’s supporters are saying…

Over the weekend, Al Nour tested its leverage for the first time to force the retraction of an announced plan to name a liberal icon, the Nobel Prize-winning diplomat Mohamed ElBaradei, as interim prime minister…

The bedfellows could not be stranger. Since its inception two years ago, the Nour party has campaigned more than anything else for constitutional provisions enshrining Islamic law, not just “the principles of Islamic law,” as Egypt’s charter read for three decades. Al Nour and other Salafist parties sought to give religious scholars a constitutional power to strike down any legislation that they deemed contradictory to Islamic law. But in the drafting of the country’s new Constitution last year, the Muslim Brotherhood sided with the liberals to block such a provision. Al Nour succeeded in preventing an express guarantee of equality for women from being written into the new charter, and it has defended prohibitions of heresy.

There are too many Islamists in Egypt to deny that faction representation in the new government and no one outside the Muslim Brotherhood itself trusts the Brotherhood with power right now, so Nour’s the winner by default. All they needed to do to get a seat at the table was play nice with the secularists and other anti-Morsi factions by joining the protests against the MB, so that’s what they did. Just one hitch: What about all the Morsi fans in the MB who consider Nour’s participation in the new government a knife in the back of Islamism? Aren’t they … angry? Why, yes:

Nour is facing criticism for its stance. Many Morsi supporters at a rally Friday denounced Nour as betraying the country’s first Islamist president. Ironically, in the eyes of strict Salafists, Nour made the same mistake as the Brotherhood: sacrificing religious principles for political power.

“Nour is now finding itself somewhat ostracized within the mainstream Islamist movement because of its support for military intervention,” said Sultan.

A Brotherhood spokesman said of Nour, “They are being used to beautify or whitewash this military coup. They are making enemies on both sides.” Two big X factors here, then. One: How many Islamist voters will Nour inherit from the Brotherhood due to public disgust with Morsi? A “pragmatic” Islamist will migrate to Nour simply because they’re the only game in town if you want some leverage inside government. Others, like these lunatics, will stick with the MB and bitterly resent Nour for having sold out The Cause in the name of gaining power. That’s not a terrible result, actually — having Islamists at each others’ throats is better than having them at anyone else’s. With the secularists pushing back against Nour’s Islamist constitutional ambitions in the new coalition government and the Brotherhood stirring up Islamist resentment against them on the other side, maybe Nour ends up more or less paralyzed, with only token concessions from the rest of the coalition to hand them “achievements” they can show to Islamist voters.

Two: Does any of this still apply in the aftermath of this morning’s massacre of Morsi supporters? The two pieces quoted above were published this weekend, before it happened. The hotter things get on the street and the more mobilized Islamists become against the army, the more Nour’s participation in the coalition looks like outright treason to the fundies. The head cleric of Al-Azhar University is already warning of civil war; yesterday, influential Sunni cleric Yusuf al-Qaradawi issued a fatwa calling on Egyptians to support Morsi. At some point, if things escalate, defending the army against the pro-Morsi insurgency will become politically poisonous for Nour and they’ll have to quit the government. So maybe “kingmaker” status here is fleeting. Unless something changes soon on the ground, the dynamic will be Islamists versus the army and non-Islamists, which leaves Nour either out of power or out of legitimacy.

Whatever happens, don’t forget: Egypt is an economic disaster and therefore ungovernable. By conventional means, anyway.


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Egypt is an economic disaster and therefore ungovernable.

Sorta like how the USA is headed under Barry’s “smarter” government.

hawkeye54 on July 8, 2013 at 12:46 PM

It’s the Islam, stupid.

Sowing Terror since 622 A.D.

And Egypt is going to get reaped.

profitsbeard on July 8, 2013 at 12:47 PM

So, Obama can support them even more enthusiastically than the Muslim Bro-hood.

kirkill on July 8, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Obama’s pot stirring of Egypt continues to pay dividends.

portlandon on July 8, 2013 at 12:47 PM

So, on the other hand question is “Are our Democrats much better”,

Jimmy Carter to Bill Clinton to Obama.

Pretty much down hill on a steep grade seems to some.

In the left wing of the commie Democrats of the U.S.,, Earth First and William Ayers and even more nut jobs.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on July 8, 2013 at 12:48 PM

It was the only Islamist party to support removing Mr. Morsi, BECAUSE OF despite his ties to the more moderate Islamists of the Muslim Brotherhood.

“Moderation in the spread of sharia is a vice,” -Mohammed.

Akzed on July 8, 2013 at 12:50 PM

New kingmaker in post-Islamist Egypt: Even crazier Islamists

What?? More stark raving lunatics dressed in 7th century garb,
who have an aversion to Bathing, but an affinity for Machetes??

GET OUT!!!!

ToddPA on July 8, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Seriously, did anyone here expect anything different this time around? I know I did not.

Johnnyreb on July 8, 2013 at 12:51 PM

It’s the Islam, stupid.

Sowing Terror since 622 A.D.

And Egypt is going to get reaped.

profitsbeard on July 8, 2013 at 12:47 PM

You might like this: World Order and Islamism

Hard truths.

slickwillie2001 on July 8, 2013 at 12:51 PM

tset

APACHEWHOKNOWS on July 8, 2013 at 12:52 PM

“They are being used to beautify or whitewash this military coup. They are making enemies on both sides.”

Sounds like TFG’s new best friends then.

MTF on July 8, 2013 at 12:52 PM

next stop for this gang?

THE WHITE HOUSE BABYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!

ToddPA on July 8, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Or as Steyn calls them: “The Even More Muslim Brotherhood”.

Valkyriepundit on July 8, 2013 at 12:57 PM

next stop for this gang?

THE WHITE HOUSE BABYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!

ToddPA on July 8, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Well, they’ve already got their king in place there. Now just a minor adjustment in our national government and viola!!

hawkeye54 on July 8, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Gosh it sure sounds like the Egyptian community is being agitated or something…..

Caliphate forward, march !!

PappyD61 on July 8, 2013 at 12:59 PM

What a mess these people are! Israel is the only reason not to neutron bomb that place. Have we tried that anywhere yet?

Cindy Munford on July 8, 2013 at 1:00 PM

BTW,

In Islam once they conquer a land it’s forever Muslim right?

Does that hold true with those that professed and studied Islam in their say, early years as a young child or such?

Once a Muslim………..?……….

PappyD61 on July 8, 2013 at 1:00 PM

I wonder what’ll follow them after they take power and inevitably fail too.

That’s easy, but I doubt he’ll fail….

cynccook on July 8, 2013 at 1:03 PM

BTW,

In Islam once they conquer a land it’s forever Muslim right?

Does that hold true with those that professed and studied Islam in their say, early years as a young child or such?

Once a Muslim………..?……….

PappyD61 on July 8, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Correct! That is precisely what they believe. Once they’ve established a foothold in a new geographic location…that location belongs to islam, forever. And as for people, once a muslim, always a muslim. For life. You can check out but you cannot leave islam.

hawkeye54 on July 8, 2013 at 1:04 PM

So….. When does the rat-eared coward get one of his spokescows to go on Sunday talk shows and explain that the coup was really nothing more than a spontaneous protest over a YouTube video where their fake prophet was depicted having sex with kids (the goat kind)?

Seriously. This administration doesn’t see Egypt as anything but a convenient diversion from its own failures. The rat-eared coward spent Saturday golfing. Kerry spent the day yachting. Neither was really working the phones and trying to resolve the crisis in Cairo. Because they are quite happy that the riots in Egypt, plane crashes at SFO, beheadings at Brazilian soccer games, and the made-for-racial pandering Zimmerman trial have bumped all the Obamascandals for the moment.

Happy Nomad on July 8, 2013 at 1:05 PM

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“Repeat after me. ‘We, the He-Man Woman Haters Club….’”

CurtZHP on July 8, 2013 at 1:10 PM

I’ll repeat…’Say hello to the new boss…same as the old boss’.
*glares*

annoyinglittletwerp on July 8, 2013 at 1:11 PM

Anyone thinking corrupt Republican Wall Street is different from Democratic Wall street corruption?

Jon Corzine cleared:

rickyricardo on July 8, 2013 at 1:16 PM

http://conservativebyte.com/2013/07/bush-obama-acted-to-protect-the-country/

In an interview aired on ABC’s This Week this Sunday, former president George W. Bush said that President Obama has acted in order to protect America. “I think the president got into the Oval Office and realized the dangers of the United States, and he’s acted in a way that he thinks is necessary to protect the country,” he said. “Protecting the country is the most important job of the presidency.”

President Obama has consistently stressed that he is not similar to George W. Bush in his presidential approach to the war against Islamist terror. He has recently come under fire for his National Security Agency’s surveillance of American citizens, an expansion of a program begun under the Bush administration.

Maybe you silly Egyptians just need to realize that being dragged back to the 7th Century hellhole of Radical Islam is just something that Obama is doing to “protect your country” too.

All hail the American Ruling Class, protecting each other and paving the way to a better, more enlightened global community without borders or laws that hinder the free movement of (their) capital.

PappyD61 on July 8, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Whatever happens, don’t forget: Egypt is an economic disaster and therefore ungovernable. By conventional means, anyway.

The Egyptian military is the one in an impossible position. The coup only makes sense if they can economically deliver something that the Muslim Brotherhood couldn’t…and they can’t. They are spending their credibility while the Al-Nour party’s presence makes it clear that not much is actually going to change as far as secular government goes. Al-nour can bail on the government any time it becomes politically convenient, saying that the incompetence of the Muslim Brotherhood forced their hand.

I would not be surprised to see another military counter-coup allied to the Muslim groups.

sharrukin on July 8, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Correct! That is precisely what they believe. Once they’ve established a foothold in a new geographic location…that location belongs to islam, forever. And as for people, once a muslim, always a muslim. For life. You can check out but you cannot leave islam.

hawkeye54 on July 8, 2013 at 1:04 PM

So if that is true, then does it not make perfect sense why Obama would want to promote the idea of a restoration of the glory of an Islamic Caliphate?

PappyD61 on July 8, 2013 at 1:20 PM

I am sure there has been widespread condemnation across the Egyptian political spectrum of how brutal Israel has been in handling the Palestinian intifada. I can’t wait to see just how gently the Egyptian army handles their own intifada. The Israelis should publicize every bit of bloodshed that will occur in Egypt and make sure they show how they handled similar situations with much more restraint.

bartbeast on July 8, 2013 at 1:24 PM

In a sane world, we’d be evacuating the Copts and ring-fencing the pyramids for history purposes, while stoking civil war as much as possible.

In our actual world, Obama will sputter nonsense, while the MSM will never apologize for the ‘Arab Spring’ crap, and largely ignore this.

WhatSlushfund on July 8, 2013 at 1:26 PM

So if that is true, then does it not make perfect sense why Obama would want to promote the idea of a restoration of the glory of an Islamic Caliphate?

PappyD61 on July 8, 2013 at 1:20 PM

Perfect sense indeed. In the ME and right here in the USA.

hawkeye54 on July 8, 2013 at 1:28 PM

The Egyptian military is the one in an impossible position. The coup only makes sense if they can economically deliver something that the Muslim Brotherhood couldn’t…and they can’t. They are spending their credibility while the Al-Nour party’s presence makes it clear that not much is actually going to change as far as secular government goes. Al-nour can bail on the government any time it becomes politically convenient, saying that the incompetence of the Muslim Brotherhood forced their hand.

sharrukin on July 8, 2013 at 1:18 PM

In a nutshell, this is why I think the Egyptian military is racing to get a new civilian government installed ASAP. They don’t want to be holding the bag for too long or they’ll be tarred with the blame if things fail to improve (and if things do start improving they will still be able to claim some credit). Right now they can claim they simply overthrew Morsi as a response to the will of the people, and given the size of the protests there was clearly very strong sentiment for Morsi’s removal.

I still have not seen any kind of analysis about how much power al-Nour really has, though, and whether the panic about them is warranted.

Doomberg on July 8, 2013 at 1:30 PM

And Egypt is going to get reaped.

profitsbeard on July 8, 2013 at 12:47 PM

You might like this: World Order and Islamism

Hard truths.

slickwillie2001 on July 8, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Everyone in the West knew the hard truths about Islam’s recurrent attempts to invade and conquer the infidel world …until the post-WW II era when the need for oil began the suicidally stupid whitewash of Islam in the educational systems of Europe and America.

People were once taught that the Parthenon was intact until the structure was commandeered in the 17th century by the Muslim invaders and used as a munitions dump when it blew up (in 1687), rendering a priceless world cultural monument a gutted pile of rubble with only its exterior pillars standing. (It had earlier been converted to a mosque, circa 1460.)

People knew the great Hagia Sofia cathedral in Constantinople was turned by its Muslim conquerors into a mosque. (It was made into a “museum” by the secular Ataturk regime, but is on its way back to being a mosque again under the current “Islamists”.)

Nowadays P.C. has made these once well-known uncomfortable truths vanish in a cloud of intentional vagueness.

Wouldn’t want to embarrass those selling us the petro-lifeblood of our technological civilization by recounting their historical depredations.

profitsbeard on July 8, 2013 at 1:30 PM

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/egypts.new.constitution.will.create.islamic.caliphate/31401.htm

Egypt’s new constitution “prepares the way for an Islamic caliphate”, according to the acting leader of Coptic Catholics, who is among three bishops to condemn the document as a fundamental attack on human rights.

Expressing their profound disappointment with the constitution signed into law on 26 December, the bishops said only extremist Muslims’ rights were guaranteed by the new document and that at particular risk were women, young people and religious minorities.

“We can see that the religious orientation of this constitution prepares the way for an Islamic caliphate.”

“The president [Mohammed Morsi] promised to build a civic, modern and democratic state but we do not think that this constitution is in any way in accordance with that.”

Among the bishops, there was concern that the constitution would force non-Muslim women to wear Islamic headscarves and would legitimise the marriage of under-age girls.

The bishops said that, apparently in line with Shari’a law, the constitution permits women who are “sexually mature” to marry, which they said strongly implies acceptance of teenage marriages.

Both Bishops William and Aziz accused the government of severe electoral malpractice in last month’s constitution referendum and that with a voter turn-out of only 33 per cent the President had no right to pass it into law.

Bishop William referred to reports that ballots slips rejecting the constitution had been found in toilets and that pro-constitution campaigners had bribed voters with oil, rice and other goods.

PappyD61 on July 8, 2013 at 1:31 PM

The Israelis should publicize every bit of bloodshed that will occur in Egypt and make sure they show how they handled similar situations with much more restraint.

bartbeast on July 8, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Leftists (and Muslims) respect raw power. Their worship of Castro, Che, Mao, Stalin, and other thugs suggest that they have no problem with violence or brutality. Their attacks on Israel aren’t about the violence being used, but rather that Israel is identified as part of the west that they hate so much.

The feminist silence on the rapes in Egypt and Islam in general, also tells the same story.

sharrukin on July 8, 2013 at 1:32 PM

The headline in the New York Times says “Islamist Party a Surprise Force in a New Egypt.”

What’s next? Maybe they should assign this headline writer to the weather desk so they can write something like “Snow, Ice Are Surprise Factors During Winter.”

J.S.K. on July 8, 2013 at 1:34 PM

In a nutshell, this is why I think the Egyptian military is racing to get a new civilian government installed ASAP. They don’t want to be holding the bag for too long or they’ll be tarred with the blame if things fail to improve (and if things do start improving they will still be able to claim some credit).

Unfortunately that means they are not in a strong position to deny the Salafists demands.

I still have not seen any kind of analysis about how much power al-Nour really has, though, and whether the panic about them is warranted.

Doomberg on July 8, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Al-nour and the Muslim Brotherhood together hold about 75% of the Egyptian public. If one of them emerges supreme then they will be very formidable. It is fortunate that they are split, but that may change which is where the danger lies.

sharrukin on July 8, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Well if Bark wants to get some cred with the Salafists he could send a few super tankers full of wax, Chinese Continentals and *iagra.

Something X times the size of Syria is certainly possible. I tend to think that that is a good idea. Force a heavy burden of navel gazing and house cleaning on the slaves of Allah. Most likely to weaken the forces determined to fulfill Allahs command to subdue the world but I don’t mind that and nor should any of the najis kuffar on the planet. Islam has sown its crop in the spring and they will have a bumper crop to reap in season. And don’t blame Bark or any other western fool without a clue, we have all been in the backseat for sometime. They don’t call them “scales over the eyes” for nothing.

BL@KBIRD on July 8, 2013 at 1:46 PM

The headline in the New York Times says “Islamist Party a Surprise Force in a New Egypt.”

What’s next? Maybe they should assign this headline writer to the weather desk so they can write something like “Snow, Ice Are Surprise Factors During Winter.”

J.S.K. on July 8, 2013 at 1:34 PM

They don’t need to, the AGW true believers are already doing that.

Just another “politico-religious” cult that seeks to erase Western civilization from the history books. The similarities are pretty obvious, when you look at them.

clear ether

eon

eon on July 8, 2013 at 1:51 PM

profitsbeard on July 8, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Wait a minute….you can’t even see the head of the nail in the board anymore. :)

BL@KBIRD on July 8, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Quick! We need to arrest a little-known filmmaker!

John the Libertarian on July 8, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Tanslation:

“I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”

It’s possible that he has never heard this saying before… /sarc

God I love me some Reaganisms!
west

mr_west on July 8, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Why did my post go here?!?! sorry people….

west

mr_west on July 8, 2013 at 2:37 PM

In a sane world, we’d be evacuating the Copts

And all the other non Islamists. But then what? Egypt will end up being ruled by Jihadi nut jobs, hell bent on killing us, and Zero Brains of Smaht Government will shower them with guns planes and tanks.

As he already did.

Yeesh.

dogsoldier on July 8, 2013 at 2:44 PM

mr_west on July 8, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Your post sorta works in this thread too.

dogsoldier on July 8, 2013 at 2:44 PM

I would just like to point out that both the AP and the NY Times describe these nutjobs as conservative or ultraconservtive. Where’s that style book?

motionview on July 8, 2013 at 2:47 PM

In a sane world, we’d be evacuating the Copts

WhatSlushfund on July 8, 2013 at 1:26 PM

And all the other non Islamists.

dogsoldier on July 8, 2013 at 2:44 PM

All other non-Muslims. There’s no such thing as an “Islamist.” A Muslim is a Muslim.

But then what? Egypt will end up being ruled by Jihadi nut jobs, hell bent on killing us, and Zero Brains of Smaht Government will shower them with guns planes and tanks.

Egypt is already ruled by Jihadi nutjobs hellbent on killing us. At least if we foment civil war, they’ll do our job for us. As for Obama, that’s another matter. Something needs to be done about him as well.

dogsoldier on July 8, 2013 at 2:44 PM

WhatSlushfund on July 8, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Oops, mis-attributed that last part. Clipboard confusion.

WhatSlushfund on July 8, 2013 at 2:56 PM

war is the only option when two sides can not agree on the fundamentally basic questions. The winner will make the rules from then on. Sadly because of the 50/50 type of political theater the roves and dems are playing with in DC that is increasingly looking like the end game here as it is there.

Sad really.

unseen on July 8, 2013 at 2:58 PM