Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on July 7, 2013 by Allahpundit

The Republican-led House could start working on immigration bills focused on border security on the floor in July, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) said in a memo to colleagues sent Friday…

But much of how the House moves forward on immigration reform will depend on the feedback that leadership gets from a conference-wide meeting this Wednesday — which Cantor alluded to in his memo.

“I look forward to our special conference on July 10th on how to fix … our broken immigration system,” Cantor wrote.

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House lawmakers already are hearing conservative calls to slow things down. And if the debate leaks into August — when Congress takes a nearly month-long recess — the prospects could get even more wobbly. The Tea Party, during the 2009 August recess, famously helped stall ObamaCare by storming town hall meetings and other events.

Tea Party groups may be preparing to again mount demonstrations during the summer break. And even if the House passes a bill this month, it’s unlikely the two chambers would be able to agree on a unified piece of legislation by August — leaving the work unfinished going into recess.

While Tea Partiers await that opening, they’re already beginning to stir the pot.

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“I think it’s very important to fix a broken system, to treat people with respect, and have confidence in our capacity to assimilate people,” Bush said, in an interview with Jonathan Karl. “It’s a very difficult bill to pass because there’s a lot of moving parts. And the legislative process can be ugly. But it looks like they’re making some progress.”

He also expressed hope that House Republicans will pass a similar bill. “Sometimes, it takes time for some of these complex issues to evolve,” he said. “It looks like immigration [reform] has a chance to pass.”

“The reason to pass immigration reform is not to bolster the Republican party, it’s to fix a system that’s broken,” he added. “Good policy yields good politics as far as I’m concerned.”

***

Passing a bad immigration reform bill could politically damage the GOP, one prominent Hispanic Republican said Sunday morning.

“If we don’t do it right, politically it’s going to be the death of the Republican Party,” Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho), a leading GOP voice on immigration reform, said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”…

“If we do it right I think it’s going to be good for us,” Labrador said on Meet the Press. “But if we don’t do it right what’s going to happen is we’re going to lose our base because we’re still going to have a large number of illegal immigrants coming into the United States, and the Hispanic community is not going to listen to us because they’re going to always listen at this point to the people that are offering more, that are offering a faster pathway to citizenship.

***

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) is on a collision course with House conservatives over immigration reform…

Some political observers believe it’s just a matter of time before McCain aggressively goes after House GOP members for not voting on the Senate-passed immigration measure…

“Most of what [McCain] will do, in my anticipation is through the media. … He likes to drop a little bomb and watch how people will react, and he’ll do it again,” King said in an interview with The Hill.

King said McCain “should have learned his lesson” when he tried to pass immigration reform with the late Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.).

***

“What the Senate just passed was, again, a bunch of candy thrown down there — a bunch of assets thrown down there to gain votes but without a methodical, smart border approach. We want a smart border and smart immigration plan, something that makes sense,” Rep. Mike McCaul (R-Texas) said on CBS’s “Face The Nation.”

McCaul said that he’s concerned President Barack Obama doesn’t want the House to pass an immigration bill so that he can use it as political leverage ahead of the 2014 elections.

“The White House would like to see this fail in the House so that [Obama] can blame the House of Representatives for that and then try to take back the House of Representatives and then all bets are off on his agenda,” McCaul said.

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Cutting illegal immigration by between 33 percent and 50 percent (a fairly big range) is not exactly a passing grade. According to one estimate, the CBO’s original report on S. 744 suggested that, ten years from the bill’s passage, there could be 8.3 million illegal immigrants in the US. This new CBO report suggests that S. 744 would now shave that number down to 7.5 million illegal immigrants. Senator Rubio said last month that “none of us wants to be here five years from now facing 5 million illegal immigrants more, another wave of illegal immigration,” but under even the newly amended bill, there could easily be over 7 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. by 2023.

One of the major limitations of Corker-Hoeven is that it fixates on border security, but many illegal immigrants are visa-overstayers (a demographic that could grow under the guest-worker programs of the bill). Interior enforcement would seem very important for reducing illegal immigration. Some GOP leaders have suggested trading immediate legalization for the promise of future enforcement, but this report suggests that even such future enforcement might not be sufficient, assuming that enforcement happens at all. The administration’s decision to delay the Obamacare employer mandate reminds us that future enforcement strategies might also be delayed — perhaps indefinitely.

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Four Augusts ago, Congress was busy passing — in order to find out what was in it — a different mammoth, because “comprehensive,” bill. During the August 2009 recess, legislators conducted often-tumultuous town hall meetings, where they discovered that intensity resided disproportionately among opponents of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA). Opponents’ anger was registered emphatically in congressional elections 15 months later, which is one reason why implementation of the act’s most onerous provisions was delayed until 2014, after the 2012 presidential election.

The PPACA remains unpopular, and there are congressional elections in years divisible by two — not even the Obama administration can ignore that constitutional fact — so last Tuesday, the administration said this about the act’s mandate that in 2014, large employers provide expensive health-care coverage for their workers or pay a substantial penalty: Never mind…

This lesson in the Obama administration’s approach to the rule of law is pertinent to the immigration bill, which at last count had 222 instances of a discretionary “may” and 153 of “waive.” Such language means that were the Senate bill to become law, the executive branch would be able to do pretty much as it pleases, even to the point of saying about almost anything: Never mind.

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I’ve seen a lot of intellectually weak cases in this town. I’ve rarely seen as intellectually a weak case as the case against the Senate immigraiton bill. The Republicans say they want to reduce illegal immigration; the Congressional Budget Office says the Senate bill will reduce it by a third to half. They say they want economic growth; all the top conservative economists say it’ll produce economic growth. They say they want to reduce the debt; the CBO says it will reduce the debt. All the big major objectives the Republicans stand for, the Senate immigration bill will do. The other things they’re talking about are secondary and tertiary issues. Whether we get 86% border protection or 90%—compared to the big things this bill does, they’re miniscule. I’m mystified.

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There’s this underwear gnomes arguments coming from Barack Obama, right? Help Barack Obama get an immigration bill that includes amnesty so he can have a big signing ceremony.

That’s step one. Step two is a question mark. And step three is Republicans win the Hispanic vote. I’m not sure how that argument plays out, and very few Republicans are convinced by that. A lot of Republicans just sort of assert that.

What we really is the industry, the K. Street, the Chamber of Commerce pushing for something that will bring in more workers and that will help business. But this cuts against the idea of trying to get the missing white voters. Because the missing white voters aren’t the Southerners that you spent the opening talking about — the missing white voters are people in Pennsylvania, in Ohio, all the way down to Nevada, who are working class whites, who feel left out by both Democrats and Republicans.

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Here we go folks..

It begins….

Electrongod on July 7, 2013 at 8:02 PM

so last Tuesday, the administration said this about the act’s mandate that in 2014, large employers provide expensive health-care coverage for their workers or pay a substantial penalty: Never mind…

Egyptians had the same thought about their new democracy….

Electrongod on July 7, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Bish-…… oh bugger

listens2glenn on July 7, 2013 at 8:05 PM

“ALL IN..With Chris Hayes”

Click the image to watch.

Not yet.

Electrongod on July 7, 2013 at 8:08 PM

…geez!…them 4 bathroom plungers…AGAIN!

KOOLAID2 on July 7, 2013 at 8:09 PM

…geez!…them 4 bathroom plungers…AGAIN!

KOOLAID2 on July 7, 2013 at 8:09 PM

You see them just behind and to the side of the Great White Bowl…

But you know…
as you approach…
Whether you will have to call on them…

Then it gets messy…

Electrongod on July 7, 2013 at 8:12 PM

The administration’s decision to delay the Obamacare employer mandate reminds us that future enforcement strategies mightWILL also be delayed — perhaps indefinitely

…fixed!

KOOLAID2 on July 7, 2013 at 8:14 PM

The “broken” immigration system could be easily fixed by enforcing current laws, penalizing the hell out of employers employing illegals and closing any and all anchor baby loopholes.

… but both the GOP fossils and the DNC vermin want cheap labor for their bundlers. Hence the problem with the USA swiftly approaching the Roman Empires latter years when they put out the “Visigoths Welcome” signs to hasten their own demise.

viking01 on July 7, 2013 at 8:14 PM

“Most of what [McCain] will do, in my anticipation is through the media. … He likes to drop a little bomb and watch how people will react, and he’ll do it again,”

…geez!…them 4 bathroom plungers…AGAIN!

KOOLAID2 on July 7, 2013 at 8:09 PM

The Plunger is alive…….

Electrongod on July 7, 2013 at 8:15 PM

“The reason to pass immigration reform is not to bolster the Republican party, it’s to fix a system that’s broken,” he added. “Good policy yields good politics as far as I’m concerned.”

So what did you do in eight years to fix that system—esp when you had the perfect opportunity after 9-11? Maroons, every stinking one of you Bushes and all the other pols. Eff us, long as you guys have your club.

arnold ziffel on July 7, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Here’s my immigration reform – build the dang fence. Worked for Israel.

gophergirl on July 7, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Per Drudge, Mrs Kerry admitted to hospital, in “critical condition.”

Sekhmet on July 7, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Per Drudge, Mrs Kerry admitted to hospital, in “critical condition.”

Sekhmet on July 7, 2013 at 8:22 PM

I didn’t know she was that old. Here’s hoping she okay.

gophergirl on July 7, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Here’s my immigration reform – build the dang fence. Worked for Israel.

gophergirl on July 7, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Did you see that fence…..

It’s like….bad ass fence…
Like…

Israel was serious…or something…

Electrongod on July 7, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Wow! Talk about a deal…

Not only does the legislation NOT build a fence, NOT secure the border, it also does NOT end the problem by any better than 50% (maybe after a decade) and it allows tens of millions of future Democrat voters into the country!

No wonder Washington is in love with this…

catmman on July 7, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Electrongod on July 7, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Just when I think I can’t love Israel more – something like that comes along that I didn’t know about.

You have to give it to them – they don’t hem and haw about things – they git’ er done.

I wish we had a fence like that.

gophergirl on July 7, 2013 at 8:29 PM

how does making illegal immigrants legal stop illegal immigration?

tried and failed 1986

RonK on July 7, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Did you see that fence…..

It’s like….bad ass fence…
Like…

Israel was serious…or something…

Electrongod on July 7, 2013 at 8:25 PM

I’ll bet Israel didn’t have illegals build it either!

viking01 on July 7, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Consider yourselves checked on.

Y’all are behaving adequately and shall not be banned.

Though, I cannot speak for the capricious moderators that are currently in charge of this place.

Reminds me of the snotball place before charlie went completely off his rocker.

That is all.

Carry on.

cozmo on July 7, 2013 at 8:31 PM

“I’m not paying a penny more just to have some lousy Americans mow my lawn..,” Senator Hatch said.

/s

viking01 on July 7, 2013 at 8:33 PM

I’m mystified.

No, David Brooks, you’re a liar.

John the Libertarian on July 7, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Evening, QOTDHAirians. Another day, more sadness for this country. O’Fecalface goes to another continent and says he will base US aid on how well other countries and groups treat LGTBs? Did I hear that correctly? And his fellow muzzies do what to gheys and lesbeans?

rottenrobbie on July 7, 2013 at 8:34 PM

You have to give it to them – they don’t hem and haw about things – they git’ er done.

I wish we had a fence like that.

gophergirl on July 7, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Me too..

Electrongod on July 7, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Stop non-citizens from getting welfare. Until that happens we won’t see fewer illegal immigrants. These people are coming here for free food, housing, education, clothes and even beds (here in New Jersey). More money is paid based on the number of heads in the house, so there is literally no incentive to staunch the flow of immigration. People have better lives instantly, just by crossing the border. Of course they’ll keep coming.

MTF on July 7, 2013 at 8:35 PM

I just want me compas aqui on HA to know that I really really hate those quatro cabrons featured in the screen cap.

arnold ziffel on July 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM

You have to give it to them – they don’t hem and haw about things – they git’ er done.

I wish we had a fence like that.

gophergirl on July 7, 2013 at 8:29 PM

…well…they must be anti- something!

KOOLAID2 on July 7, 2013 at 8:38 PM

And even if the House passes a bill this month, it’s unlikely the two chambers would be able to agree on a unified piece of legislation garbage by August — leaving the work destruction of America unfinished going into recess.

VorDaj on July 7, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Some political observers believe it’s just a matter of time before McCain aggressively goes ever more senile and insane and goes after House GOP members for not voting on the Senate-passed immigration measure plan to turn America into a Third World Mexican Craphole

VorDaj on July 7, 2013 at 8:44 PM

…well…they must be anti- something!

KOOLAID2 on July 7, 2013 at 8:38 PM

The are anti-great view.

Electrongod on July 7, 2013 at 8:45 PM

The Republicans say they want to reduce illegal immigration; the Congressional Budget Office says the Senate bill will reduce it by a third to half.

Goebbels level big lie.

They say they want economic growth; all the top conservative economists say it’ll produce economic growth.

Still more Goebbels.

VorDaj on July 7, 2013 at 8:46 PM

F Rubio and his Gangbang Eight.

VorDaj on July 7, 2013 at 8:48 PM

McCain and Rubio should elope, preferably somewhere far away such as the bottom of the Marianas Trench.

And is it just me or do other people here feel a need to punch those glasses through the back of Chris Hayes skull.

Bishop on July 7, 2013 at 8:48 PM

I’m mystified.

No, David Brooks, you’re a liar.

John the Libertarian on July 7, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Brooks still has his head stuck in the crease in Obama’s pants.

VorDaj on July 7, 2013 at 8:50 PM

I wish we had a fence like that.

gophergirl on July 7, 2013 at 8:29 PM

If we had active bombers flowing across our borders we would have a fence like that too.

Well ok the bombers are flowing over here, they simply haven’t announced their presence yet.

Bishop on July 7, 2013 at 8:53 PM

The are anti-great view.

Electrongod on July 7, 2013 at 8:45 PM

…lol!

KOOLAID2 on July 7, 2013 at 8:53 PM

All liars. Total sellout to the Democrats and big business. It will mean perpetual poverty and race wars. All for McDonald’s and farmers, pun intended.

pat on July 7, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Brooks still has his head stuck in the crease in Obama’s pants.

VorDaj on July 7, 2013 at 8:50 PM

The crease runs from Obama’s belt down to his shoes..
Nothing there but monotonous…

Electrongod on July 7, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Secure the border, and to hell with Rubio.

There is something very wrong when no Pub argues against the phrase, “Schumer’s Republicans.”

Liam on July 7, 2013 at 8:57 PM

“I look forward to our special conference on July 10th on how to fix … our broken immigration system,” Cantor wrote.

I’ll bet you do. Why don’t you call your special conference the “nail in the coffin” party? You fools are so finished.

rrpjr on July 7, 2013 at 8:59 PM

really pathetic that the best interview was Carney with Chris Hayes. I mean that’s pathetic. Of course, The Nation is (theoretically) anti-plutocrat so there’s a shared sentiment with Carney.

Brooks is pro-plutocrat. Sadly, a large chunk of the R party loves the plutocrats Money. Your average hugely overpaid media personality is way pro-plutocrat because they are, well, wannabes. The voice of the Plutocracy…has a ring to it doesn’t it?

r keller on July 7, 2013 at 9:02 PM

btw, did anyone express any concern about the CBO analysis on the average wages? Or the increase in Return on Investment?

this is a rich man’s bill…cheap labor And more consumers…or was it pretty much crickets?

r keller on July 7, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Illegals won’t be eligible for Obamacare. This alone is an incentive to replace American workers with illegals. Employers nearing the 50 employee fine threshhold (for not insuring) can fire, say, 35 citizens and hire 75 (or more) illegals without penalty. The postponement of the Obamacare employer mandate to 2015 may be a sweetener by Obama to the House Republicans to also knife their constituents in the back the same way the Filthy Fourteen Republican Senators did.

Republican thy name is treachery.

MaiDee on July 7, 2013 at 9:07 PM

I wish we had a fence like that.

gophergirl on July 7, 2013 at 8:29 PM

If we had active bombers flowing across our borders we would have a fence like that too.

Well ok the bombers are flowing over here, they simply haven’t announced their presence yet.

Bishop on July 7, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Even though that is happening, and even if the MSM was widely reporting it, at this point I’m convinced that the Lib-tard/CINO team would still not build a fence. It’s almost as if they want to die. White guilt on steroids. Same thing as in Europe.

WhatSlushfund on July 7, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Looking at the pictures of the airplane crash – it’s a miracle anybody survived that thing. WOW.

gophergirl on July 7, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Looking at the pictures of the airplane crash – it’s a miracle anybody survived that thing. WOW.

gophergirl on July 7, 2013 at 9:09 PM

What amazes me..
But shouldn’t…

is the media reporting on this…

“was the fact that the Glide Slope electronic system was down for routine maintenance that caused the accident?..”

What they don’t say…
is that this airline wasn’t the only one that landed at this airport that morning…
And no other airline had any issues landing..

Before and after…

Electrongod on July 7, 2013 at 9:15 PM

“I look forward to our special conference on July 10th on how to fix … our broken immigration system,” Cantor wrote.

Memo to Cantor: Stop using the word ‘broken’. It isn’t ‘broken’, it’s abused, misused, and not enforced.

Our current system is ‘broken’ in the same way that your gasoline engine is ‘broken’ if you insist on running it without oil and putting diesel fuel in it. The engine isn’t broken, it’s owner is just a dumba$$.

Get back to *using* the system we already have, enforcing it, and it works just fine, thank you very much.

Midas on July 7, 2013 at 9:26 PM

I just want to raise a few chickens. Hunt a bit. Fish.

It’s really that simple.

wolly4321 on July 7, 2013 at 9:28 PM

But then Brooks makes his decisions based on the crease in one’s trousers…

d1carter on July 7, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Faces Of The Men Who Won America’s Independence: Amazing Early Photos Of Heroes Of The Revolutionary War In Their Old Age (Photo Essay)

The United States Of Decay: Forgotten Ruins Of Once Booming Towns That Litter Landscape In Some Of America’s Most Populated Areas (Photo Essay)

Resist We Much on July 7, 2013 at 9:24 PM

…I’m in awe of the 1st…and want to puke at the second!

KOOLAID2 on July 7, 2013 at 9:31 PM

is the media reporting on this…

“was the fact that the Glide Slope electronic system was down for routine maintenance that caused the accident?..”

Electrongod on July 7, 2013 at 9:15 PM

DrewM. at AoSHQ is on it:

You may hear about the runway Glide Slope Indicator being out of service. This is a non-factor. According to the NTSB the flight was cleared for “a visual approach”. This means neither the glide slope or localizer were required to be used. There was something called a PAPI available and that’s more than he would have needed.

I really can’t express how shocked I am that an ATP could butcher an approach this badly. From what the NTSB said today this guy essentially took a perfectly good airplane and flew it into the ground.

Pilot error.

gh on July 7, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Looking at the pictures of the airplane crash – it’s a miracle anybody survived that thing. WOW.

gophergirl on July 7, 2013 at 9:09 PM

gophergirl:Crah Landing Video:)
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Fred Hayes Video Asiana Airlines Flight 214 Boeing 777 Plane Crash At SFO

Published on Jul 7, 2013

Fred Hayes Video Asiana Airlines Flight 214 Boeing 777 Plane Crash At SFO (NTSB)
*************

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TdgrnfrTa8

canopfor on July 7, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Ahem………………..

Plane crash lands at San Francisco Airport, July 6, 2013

Coroner probes whether Asiana plane crash victim was run over, killed by rescue vehicle – @AP, @SFGate

1 hour ago from http://www.sfgate.com by editor
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http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Official-SF-plane-crash-victim-may-have-been-run-4651323.php

canopfor on July 7, 2013 at 9:32 PM

I just want to raise a few chickens. Hunt a bit. Fish.

It’s really that simple.

wolly4321 on July 7, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Do you plan on feeding those chickens???
Congress will want to intervene and make sure that you don’t try to feed them all by yourself with your own means…
You need to have others help you…
It’s American…
And it’s the law.

You want to hunt?
Really????

and fish????

You can’t be saved….

/

Electrongod on July 7, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Pilot error.

gh on July 7, 2013 at 9:31 PM

My take also..

Electrongod on July 7, 2013 at 9:34 PM

CNN under attack in Egypt..?

d1carter on July 7, 2013 at 9:35 PM

There is also an amateur video over at the AoSHQ link above, which clearly shows the plane hitting the jetty, 1300 feet short of the runway.

gh on July 7, 2013 at 9:35 PM

I just want to raise a few chickens. Hunt a bit. Fish.

It’s really that simple.

wolly4321 on July 7, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Corb Lund – Gettin’ Down on the Mountain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uASQgLwaIs

Fallon on July 7, 2013 at 9:38 PM

It’s the same video canopfor posted above.

gh on July 7, 2013 at 9:40 PM

The entire issue of illegal immigration is about lower wages for workers.

Agriculture in the south wanted cheap labor. Thus, slavery.

Railroad companies wanted cheap labor. Thus, the Chinese.

Current businesses want cheap labor, and they have convinced politicians, through the use of big campaign donations, to refuse to enforce immigration laws. Thus, 20 million illegal aliens.

It used to be that tariffs were used to balance the wage scale between U.S. labor rates and cheap foreign labor rates. The unions fought for it and so did businesses. If you’re a foreign producer who uses cheap labor it will cost you a very high tariff to import your goods to the U.S. Period. That way, you are paying higher wage rates for the goods you sell in the U.S., whether you pay it directly in wages or indirectly in tariffs.

Currently, government encourages businesses to relocate manufacturing facilities overseas through tax policy, or, for companies that can’t do that, to import foreign nationals illegally into the U.S.

jaime on July 7, 2013 at 9:41 PM

The United States Of Decay: Forgotten Ruins Of Once Booming Towns That Litter Landscape In Some Of America’s Most Populated Areas (Photo Essay)

Resist We Much on July 7, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Wow, I can’t believe there aren’t people that would love to buy and rehab some of that!

Midas on July 7, 2013 at 9:41 PM

My take also..

Electrongod on July 7, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Yep.

gophergirl on July 7, 2013 at 9:42 PM

What would David Brooks do if he didn’t work for the NYT..? Seriously?

d1carter on July 7, 2013 at 9:43 PM

Wow, I can’t believe there aren’t people that would love to buy and rehab some of that!

Midas on July 7, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Especially that theater and the station in Buffalo.

gophergirl on July 7, 2013 at 9:44 PM

Pilot error.

gh on July 7, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Family friend’s son is a pilot who’s been stationed all over the world and in the past he’s said that the Korean pilots are known to be more than a bit reckless. When we first heard of the crash, hubby and I looked at each other and said, “probably, pilot error.”

Fallon on July 7, 2013 at 9:45 PM

There is also an amateur video over at the AoSHQ link above, which clearly shows the plane hitting the jetty, 1300 feet short of the runway.

gh on July 7, 2013 at 9:35 PM

I saw that…
But preliminary reports from the Black Box says that the pilot(s) asked the tower for a “re-do” 1.5 seconds before hitting the ground…

What’s up with that???

My take…

The pilots weren’t paying attention and when the stall alarm sounded..
They asked for permission……..

Electrongod on July 7, 2013 at 9:57 PM

McCain and Rubio should elope, preferably somewhere far away such as the bottom of the Marianas Trench.

Bishop on July 7, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Add “Miss Lucy” Graham for a really unique threesome.

bw222 on July 7, 2013 at 10:03 PM

Electrongod on July 7, 2013 at 9:57 PM

What I’ve heard is that the air speed was too low and they realized[1] that a couple of seconds before hitting the ground. I infer that the plane did not stall. There was a right-wing stall *after* the tail hit the jetty but the plane looked to be skimming the water already at that point.

[1] I think this is heard on the cockpit voice recorder.

gh on July 7, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Oh, I get it. We have the worst unemployment in two generations, and what we need are “more workers.” In other words, the politicians want to bring in more foreigners at the expense of American workers and citizens.

Makes sense. The US Government really does not like Americans very much; at least not Americans who are born here. Back in the 1960s and 1970s you could not turn on the TV or read a magazine without being on the receiving end of some Federal Government functionary lecturing us about how we should all only have two kids, overpopulation, etc.

And now we know. They wanted Americans to stop having kids to make room for a pack of cheap labor foreigners and their kids.

The fact is that the last thing on earth that the Federal Government wants is border security. They want massive, massive amounts of both legal and illegal immigration. That is what any bill that gets passed will end up accomplishing. Count on it.

Rogervzv on July 7, 2013 at 10:05 PM

But preliminary reports from the Black Box says that the pilot(s) asked the tower for a “re-do” 1.5 seconds before hitting the ground…

What’s up with that???

My take…

The pilots weren’t paying attention and when the stall alarm sounded..
They asked for permission……..

Electrongod on July 7, 2013 at 9:57 PM

From what I have read, the plane’s air speed was far too low for a landing. It appears to be a case of pilot error.

bw222 on July 7, 2013 at 10:06 PM

[1] I think this is heard on the cockpit voice recorder.

gh on July 7, 2013 at 10:04 PM

I have to correct my last post..
I originally saw a still photo..

I just looked at the video that you posted…
Yes…
It did look like the tail was skimming the water..

Taking a perfectly good plane and fly it into the ground…

Electrongod on July 7, 2013 at 10:09 PM

bw222 on July 7, 2013 at 10:06 PM

I have also heard that the initial approach was ok so it seems they just stopped paying attention.

gh on July 7, 2013 at 10:09 PM

Currently, government encourages businesses to relocate manufacturing facilities overseas through tax policy, or, for companies that can’t do that, to import foreign nationals illegally into the U.S.

jaime on July 7, 2013 at 9:41 PM

7 of the 10 companies with the most H1B visa workers are headquartered in India:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-1B_visa

bw222 on July 7, 2013 at 10:13 PM

Expecting the FedGov to fix the illegal immigration problem is like expecting Elmer Fudd to catch you a rabbit.

cavalier973 on July 7, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Interior enforcement has been abandoned, and the visa over-stayers have been allowed to flourish.

We do not have a “broken immigration system”; we have an unenforced one.

Cui bono? Who benefits?

I’m not concerned with the Republican party’s future. I am concerned about the future of our nation.

Our legislators are not statesmen. They are wh*res, selling out to the highest bidder.

Get a clue, Cantor.

onlineanalyst on July 7, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Fallon on July 7, 2013 at 9:45 PM

One of the stories is that Korean Airlines regularly got to close to the Soviet Union to save fuel.

Leading to KAL007 being destroyed.

cozmo on July 7, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Expecting the FedGov to fix the illegal immigration problem is like expecting Elmer Fudd to catch you a rabbit.

cavalier973 on July 7, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Shouldn’t that be “catch you a wabbit”?

chewmeister on July 7, 2013 at 10:25 PM

And the legislative process can be ugly.

Only because they fill it with ugliness, the bribing, threatening, self-serving lying sack of bullshit artists masquerading as “great.”

Axe on July 7, 2013 at 10:27 PM

Shouldn’t that be “catch you a wabbit”?

chewmeister on July 7, 2013 at 10:25 PM

Yooooou’re disthpekkible

cavalier973 on July 7, 2013 at 10:27 PM

“I look forward to our special conference on July 10th on how to fix … our broken immigration system,” Cantor wrote.

You don’t have to wait until the 10th; I’ll tell you today how to fix whatever is wrong.

Put any bill (including this obomination) into the deep freeze until Dingy Harry allows a vote on any five of the bills the House has sent over to the Senate. You know the place – it’s the same shelf Jugears puts failed abortion babies to die.

platypus on July 7, 2013 at 10:30 PM

ALL IN..With Chris Hayes”Click the image to watch.

Is that like donating a stool sample? Who gives a crap about Maddow’s little sister.

AH_C on July 7, 2013 at 10:32 PM

Click the image to watch.

Nope.

Axe on July 7, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Now here are some provocative (and do-able) suggestions for defanging the Senate and the ever-growing federal government.
http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/../2013/07/how_to_repeal_the_16th_and_17th_amendments.html

onlineanalyst on July 7, 2013 at 10:39 PM

Egypt violence: Gang throws rivals to their deaths from top of a building

The Feral KoranTard Mongolid Cretins are at it again. All they do is terrorize each other with blood thirsty tactics that would make cannibals thow up their picnic lunch.

SparkPlug on July 7, 2013 at 10:39 PM

Greetings.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 7, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Axe I didn’t understand your response to last nights poem. Was it a ‘thumbs up’ or ‘thumbs down’?

countrybumpkin on July 7, 2013 at 10:41 PM

The United States Of Decay: Forgotten Ruins Of Once Booming Towns That Litter Landscape In Some Of America’s Most Populated Areas (Photo Essay)

Resist We Much on July 7, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Liberalism caused Urban blight in most major cities that have over 100 people or more.

SparkPlug on July 7, 2013 at 10:41 PM

The Feral KoranTard Mongolid Cretins are at it again. All they do is terrorize each other with blood thirsty tactics that would make cannibals thow up their picnic lunch.

SparkPlug on July 7, 2013 at 10:39 PM

Seems it’s all they know.

chewmeister on July 7, 2013 at 10:41 PM

You have to give it to them – they don’t hem and haw about things – they git’ er done.

I wish we had a fence like that.

gophergirl on July 7, 2013 at 8:29 PM

And enough troops to patrol it – vigorously – 24/7/365.

Solaratov on July 7, 2013 at 10:42 PM

I truly, truly do not understand what the Republicans pushing for immigration reform are thinking. It’s a suicidal venture at best with absolutely no upside. The sheer blindness and stupidity it must take to completely ignore the obvious harm this would do to the country and the party compares only to the sheer blindness and stupidity of the Obama voters of this last election cycle. It’s as if they’ve all lost their minds.

Compassion is a beautiful thing. Myopic “niceness” that creates more problems than it fixes, elevates one group of people at the expense of everyone else, and grossly distorts justice is not compassion.

It’s time for a new party. The Republican Party had a good run, but when a national party can’t produce party leaders and politicians that act in the best interests of those they represent, it’s time for that party to go. There’s barely anything left to hold on to–no core principle or value that has not faced abandonment or ridicule in the last few months by those in charge. The battles for those principles and values are likely to become more and more difficult, at least while the current Establishment types are calling the shots–and I don’t see them going away any time soon. So the risk of starting fresh is no longer greater than sticking with the wholly unpredictable and monumentally foolish people running the party into the ground. Bring on the party that will rise from the ashes of this smoldering pile of ruins, I say. It’s time.

butterflies and puppies on July 7, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Muslime Brotherhood throw 4 children off the top of buildings.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/egypt-violence-gang-throws-rivals-2034262

That’s the MUSLIM brotherhood.

SparkPlug on July 7, 2013 at 10:44 PM

This is funny, check it out…….

Mediaite…

Daily Caller

So what do we go with this or that?

Cindy Munford on July 7, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Dang, I put two story links and two music links in one comment and pooffff, it’s gone.

Cindy Munford on July 7, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Cindy Munford on July 7, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Hi. That’s OK. I’m just glad you are here.

SparkPlug on July 7, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Per Drudge, Mrs Kerry admitted to hospital, in “critical condition.”

Sekhmet on July 7, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Many/most hospitals list anyone admitted through the ER as “critical” until they get a real diagnosis and condition report. It saves you from looking dumb in case they suddenly crump after you initially told everyone “He’s fine, it’s just indigestion”.

bofh on July 7, 2013 at 10:49 PM

The area around my old high school (in Detroit) is now the third most dangerous neighborhood in the country. When I went to school, it was an extremely safe, mostly Polish neighborhood. Before minorities took over most cities, they had good school systems and were reasonably crime free (even in much of the minority areas). Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty destroyed the black family unit and major cities along with it.

bw222 on July 7, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Dang, I put two story links and two music links in one comment and pooffff, it’s gone.

Cindy Munford on July 7, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Only 3 links per post, or you get moderated!

Anti-Control on July 7, 2013 at 10:51 PM

The United States Of Decay: Forgotten Ruins Of Once Booming Towns That Litter Landscape In Some Of America’s Most Populated Areas (Photo Essay)

Resist We Much on July 7, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Natural history Museum London main hall? That’s for scrap?

Those two pictures together are really interesting, one opposed to the other. “Natural history Museum London main hall” and the one beneath it, “Abandoned medieval church in Belgium.” They’re similar.

Axe on July 7, 2013 at 10:53 PM

She’s five years older than Kerry. We all know Kerry is a gigolo, but does this make Teresa a cougar? What is the age difference at which a woman becomes a cougar?

bw222 on July 7, 2013 at 10:53 PM

I am totally against anything that Congress attempts that is “Comprehensive”.

KCB on July 7, 2013 at 10:54 PM

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