Israel: Say, that border fence on the Sinai is coming in handy, huh?

posted at 12:31 pm on July 7, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

It seems as though everyone has an opinion on what the Egyptians should do with their country and government.  Iran wants the Muslim Brotherhood restored to power; Russia is worried about civil war; most of the West wants new elections and an end to military rule. The US is currently debating on whether to call the coup a coup at all, as that designation would force a suspension of American aid to the Egyptian military. The Obama administration demanded the restoration of “a democratically elected civilian government” rather than “the democratically elected civilian government,” a nuance that was not lost on CNN.  A bipartisan statement from the House Foreign Affairs Committee on Friday used less nuance and implicitly endorsed the coup:

The Republican chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee and its ranking Democrat have released a joint statement suggesting support for the Egyptian military’s July 3 coup against President Mohamed Morsi.

The statement, by Reps. Ed Royce (R-Calif.) and Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.), argues that Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood had not pursued “real democracy.” It also urges the military to “exercise extreme caution” in moving forward and to “support sound democratic institutions” as it does so. The House Foreign Affairs Committee could play an important role in determining how Congress guides or pressures the Obama administration’s response to events in Egypt — which may itself be a key factor in how the coup-backed government behaves. …

The decision by the Egyptian military to take state authority out of the hands of the ruling Muslim Brotherhood government marks another sharp turning point in Egypt’s incomplete revolution. What the Brotherhood neglected to understand is that democracy means more than simply holding elections. Real democracy requires inclusiveness, compromise, respect for human and minority rights, and a commitment to the rule of law. Morsi and his inner circle did not embrace any of these principles and instead chose to consolidate power and rule by fiat. As a result the Egyptian people and their economy suffered greatly.

It is now up to the Egyptian military to demonstrate that the new transitional government can and will govern in a transparent manner and work to return the country to democratic rule. We are encouraged that a broad cross-section of Egyptians will gather to rewrite the constitution. All parties in Egypt must show restraint, prevent violence, and prepare to be productive players in the future democratic Egypt. We encourage the military to exercise extreme caution moving forward and support sound democratic institutions through which the people and future governments can flourish.

One key player, though, is keeping very quiet about the affairs in Egypt.  Israel has mostly refused comment on the turmoil within its Suez partner, attempting to stay as far out of the mix as possible:

Benjamin Netanyahu only went so far as reminding Israelis that the security fence they built to control illegal immigration and smuggling from the Sinai certainly is a handy asset at the moment, considering the circumstances:

Israel’s new security fence along the Israel-Egypt border has stemmed the tide of illegal immigration to Israel and has been protecting Israel from terrorists operating in the Sinai Peninsula, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Sunday.

“The fence that we built is making a significant contribution to blocking illegal migration to Israel,” Netanyahu said ahead of the weekly cabinet meeting, noting that the fence has blocked 99 percent of African migrants from reaching Israel. …

Every day that passes “underscores how correct and how important the decision was to build the fence in the south,” the prime minister said. “You must remember that this fence is equipped with very advanced means… to protect the State of Israel against the double threat of illegal migration and terrorism from Sinai.”

Israel got another reminder of the barrier’s value this morning:

Armed men attacked four security checkpoints on Sunday in the North Sinai town of Sheikh Zuweid, close to Egypt’s border with Israel and the Gaza Strip, part of an upsurge of violence there since Wednesday’s overthrow of Islamist President Mohamed Mursi.

Gunmen in pickup trucks exchanged gunfire with soldiers and police in the lawless province in the early hours of the morning, but there were no casualties, security sources said.

According to the group launching the attacks, they have turned their attention from Israel to Egypt’s security forces:

On Sunday, the Salafi Jihadi group, one of the biggest Sinai-based Islamist militant groups, issued a statement on a jihadist website saying that “current events ravaging the country” were affecting Sinai.

It also threatened attacks on the “repressive practices” of the police and military forces on people in Sinai.

The group has issued statements threatening attacks on Israel previously, but this was the first known direct threat they have issued against Egyptian security forces.

Yes, that fence is coming in mighty handy.  And that will probably be the closest Israel comes to a public comment on the unrest next door.


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Border security is racist!/

Flange on July 7, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Benjamin Netanyahu only went so far as reminding Israelis that the security fence they built to control illegal immigration and smuggling

Wait, you’re allowed to do that?

rbj on July 7, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Some people know what needs to be done – and do it!

OldEnglish on July 7, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Every day that passes “underscores how correct and how important the decision was to build the fence in the south,” the prime minister said. “You must remember that this fence is equipped with very advanced means… to protect against the double threat of illegal migration and terrorism from the South.”

The gang of 8 should reread this.

VegasRick on July 7, 2013 at 12:39 PM

You mean an actual fence is more effective than a virtual one?

Mr. Bingley on July 7, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Fences don’t work, the only solution is unlimited acceptance of everyone who wants to enter your nation.

Bishop on July 7, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Real fences patrolled by real soldiers with real guns and the ability to back up promises of “broadcast sympathy for illegal crossers and we will come shut you up” with real force…

It just really works, folks.

MelonCollie on July 7, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Israel’s new security fence along the Israel-Egypt border has stemmed the tide of illegal immigration to Israel and has been protecting Israel from terrorists operating in the Sinai Peninsula, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Sunday.

Why do Jews hate brown-skinned people? Let me take this schadenfreudelicious moment to mock and torment our idiot liberal population, including the 80% of secular American Jews who are leftists.

Jaibones on July 7, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Benjamin Netanyahu only went so far as reminding Israelis that the security fence they built to control illegal immigration and smuggling from the Sinai certainly is a handy asset at the moment, considering the circumstances:

In the movie…
World War Z…
The illegals got over the wall..
And they were pissed too that the wall was there..

Electrongod on July 7, 2013 at 12:50 PM

It seems the last time America was so lacking influence in the world was around 1491. American progressives; completely rudderless.

BKeyser on July 7, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Why do Jews hate brown-skinned people? Let me take this schadenfreudelicious moment to mock and torment our idiot liberal population, including the 80% of secular American Jews who are leftists.

Jaibones on July 7, 2013 at 12:46 PM

The Jews aren’t such God-d@mned cowards that they won’t admit that the hordes of illiterate brown-skinned people are of no benefit, will wreck their communities, and in not a few cases would like them dead and their land repossessed.

American blacks would LIKE to complain about the Hispanic invasion, but anyone who walks off the Democrat plantation risks ostracism that would make the ancient Greeks look like rank amateurs.

MelonCollie on July 7, 2013 at 12:51 PM

What the Brotherhood neglected to understand is that democracy means more than simply holding elections. Real democracy requires inclusiveness, compromise, respect for human and minority rights, and a commitment to the rule of law.

No, “democracy” pretty much just means holding elections. The rest actually refers to a Republic.

Count to 10 on July 7, 2013 at 12:55 PM

It seems the last time America was so lacking influence in the world was around 1491. American progressives; completely rudderless.

BKeyser on July 7, 2013 at 12:50 PM

I’d go with 1941, myself.

Count to 10 on July 7, 2013 at 12:59 PM

I’d go with 1941, myself.

Count to 10 on July 7, 2013 at 12:59 PM

I’d agree wholeheartedly. Reading war history books, before the Japanese kicked our fat lazy arses at Pearl, we were a fourth-rate power aimlessly wandering in circles through the swamp of the Great Depression.

Quite frankly we needed a swift kick in the pants.

MelonCollie on July 7, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Benjamin Netanyahu only went so far as reminding Israelis that the security fence they built to control illegal immigration and smuggling

Wait, you’re allowed to do that?

rbj on July 7, 2013 at 12:36 PM

The question isn’t “who will let me,” rather, the question is “who will stop me?”

h/t Ayn Rand

gryphon202 on July 7, 2013 at 1:07 PM

A bit OT.
Melon Collie, how many Hot Air fans are Hicks from the Cornhusker state?

You & I, Omaha Conservative. Who else?

Let’s have a show of hands.

countrybumpkin on July 7, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Lets see. WWI ends in 1918, and the US leaves the World scene until it is attacked in 1941 (23 year gap). WWII ends in 1945, and the Cold War gets kicked off in Korea in 1950 (5 year gap). The Cold War ends in 1990 or so, and we are no sitting at about 23 years after that.

Count to 10 on July 7, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Oh but where are all those Muslims with the taller ladder?

Fences work. Ask any reasonable person who has gone to Israel.

CW on July 7, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Oh the horror, a fence….

hillsoftx on July 7, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Real democracy requires inclusiveness, compromise, respect for human and minority rights, and a commitment to the rule of law. Morsi Obama and his inner circle did not embrace any of these principles and instead chose to consolidate power and rule by fiat. As a result the Egyptian American people and their economy suffered greatly.

Fits, either way.

iurockhead on July 7, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Count to 10 on July 7, 2013 at 1:13 PM

You could count 9/11…but personally I don’t since that resulted in two half-baked occupations that are going to end in disaster. Something much worse is needed and is coming our way.

MelonCollie on July 7, 2013 at 1:17 PM

That fence may be working well for Israel, but if the same fence were placed on our southern border with Mexico, it will only compound problems ….. for some reason I’m not going to go into right now and you “unwashed masses” wouldn’t understand, anyway.

Senator Harry Reid

listens2glenn on July 7, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Every day that passes “underscores how correct and how important the decision was to build the fence in the south,” the prime minister said. “You must remember that this fence is equipped with very advanced means… to protect the State of Israel against the double threat of illegal migration and terrorism from Sinai.”

It would work here too and when enough of us die due to the negligence and stupidity of the ruling class, maybe they will wake the F up and build it. Thousands will have to die apparently.

McAmnesty and all the rest are lying traitorous trash.

dogsoldier on July 7, 2013 at 1:21 PM

One key player, though, is keeping very quiet about the affairs in Egypt.

There’s not one good reason for Israel to say anything right now, and every reason not to.

RadClown on July 7, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Fences don’t work, the only solution is unlimited acceptance of everyone who wants to enter your nation.

Bishop on July 7, 2013 at 12:43 PM

.
That would make another great Harry Reid quote, to go with my original one.

listens2glenn on July 7, 2013 at 1:22 PM

countrybumpkin on July 7, 2013 at 1:13 PM

*Raises hand.*

a capella on July 7, 2013 at 1:25 PM

“You must remember that this fence is equipped with very advanced means… to protect the State of Israel against the double threat of illegal migration and terrorism from Sinai.”

I like their fence very much. Think they’d show us how to build one?

IndieDogg on July 7, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Thanks to deliberate, political actions by Democrats, California is now a U.S. funded, de facto 32 Mexican state.

OxyCon on July 7, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Can we have one?

Cindy Munford on July 7, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Keeps the zombies away!

Shy Guy on July 7, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Kirsten Powers, -still looking for a country without a fenced border. Iceland maybe, or New Zealand?

slickwillie2001 on July 7, 2013 at 1:54 PM

There’s not one good reason for Israel to say anything right now, and every reason not to.

RadClown on July 7, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Well, the US needs to “say something.” The military aid to our enemies in the Muslim Brotherhood will not be coming. It was stupid for the rat-eared coward think he could by goodwill from a bunch of American-hating terrorists. Time for that myth to be put to an end.

Happy Nomad on July 7, 2013 at 2:01 PM

How about we distribute tens of thousands of solar-powered animatronic rattlesnakes in the desert along the border?

Just for fun.

profitsbeard on July 7, 2013 at 2:05 PM

That fence may be working well for Israel, but if the same fence were placed on our southern border with Mexico, it will only compound problems ….. for some reason I’m not going to go into right now and you “unwashed masses” wouldn’t understand, anyway.

Senator Harry ReidJohn McCain

bw222 on July 7, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Trying to equate US/Mexico relations to that of Israel and the Middle East …..and comparing the the size of scope of those borders might be the most ridiculous thing I have read on Hotair. Dude.

ModerateMan on July 7, 2013 at 2:10 PM

I will never understand why leaders on BOTH sides refuse to secure the southern border.

Jack_Burton on July 7, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Trying to equate US/Mexico relations to that of Israel and the Middle East …..and comparing the the size of scope of those borders might be the most ridiculous thing I have read on Hotair. Dude.

ModerateMan on July 7, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Your stupid comment only makes sense if you discount the national security aspects of the US/Mexican border as being a legitimate concern. Mexico may not be lobbing missiles and artillary rounds into the United States but if you think the Southern US border is only about the illegals then you are even far more stupid than I ever imagined and I have a very good imagination.

Happy Nomad on July 7, 2013 at 2:15 PM

ModerateMan on July 7, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Is that all you have? Pssst that is no much but I suspect you know that.

CW on July 7, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Funny Mod Man Mexico has no problem building a fence at its border with Guatemala.

Yes physical fences work whether it is hundreds or thousands of miles.So quit with your drivel.

CW on July 7, 2013 at 2:21 PM

If the radical Islamists want to fight the Egyptian military, I will bet on the military and the US should share COIN expertise and technical capability as well as intel to help them do it. The old Nixon doctrine was that if a people was willing to provide the manpower to fight for their freedom against a group hostile to the US, the US could provide the needed means; however, the US should not provide the manpower. I think this is still a valid formula that should have been applied in Iran in 2009 when its people stood up to their thug government.

KW64 on July 7, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Mexico may not be lobbing missiles and artillary rounds into the United States but if you think the Southern US border is only about the illegals then you are even far more stupid than I ever imagined and I have a very good imagination.

Happy Nomad on July 7, 2013 at 2:15 PM

We have been invaded by people from over the border and….

Mexican Soldiers Reportedly Cross Border Into US
Published June 24, 2011
FoxNews.com
Mexican troops crossed the border into the United States Thursday, KGNS-TV reported Friday.
A convoy of three military trucks loaded with soldiers and weapons crossed the border at Bridge No. 2 in Laredo, Texas, the station reported.
Customs and Border Protection investigators told KGNS-TV they spoke with Mexican authorities after being alerted that the military convoy was heading in their direction.
Mexican officials say the soldiers didn’t know the area and got lost.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/06/24/mexican-soldiers-reportedly-cross-border-into-us/#ixzz2YNx9bz00

and yes the bullets are flying.

The signature crimes of the most violent drug cartel in Mexico are its beheading and dismemberment of rival gang members, military personnel, law enforcement officers and public officials, and the random kidnappings and killings of civilians who get caught in its butchery and bloodletting.
But this disparate band of criminals known as Los Zetas is no longer just a concern in Mexico. It has expanded its deadly operations across the southwestern border, establishing footholds and alliances in states from New York to California. Just last year, federal agents tied a cocaine operation in Baltimore to the Zetas.
“Those of us who live and work along the border know they’re already here,” said Zapata County Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez Jr., whose Texas county lies on the Rio Grande 50 miles southeast of the Zetas’ stronghold of Nuevo Laredo. “There’s already been killings and many residents here are living in fear.”

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/19/violent-mexican-drug-gang-expands-into-us/#ixzz2YNxVRwTW
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

CW on July 7, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Trying to equate US/Mexico relations to that of Israel and the Middle East …..and comparing the the size of scope of those borders might be the most ridiculous thing I have read on Hotair. Dude.

ModerateMan on July 7, 2013 at 2:10 PM

If that is the most ridiculous thing you have read on this site, you have missed years of left-wing trolls’ comments.

The Berlin wall worked. The Great Wall of China worked; heck, prison walls work for that matter. Walls work if backed by adequate vigilance, military power and maintenance. Mine Fields also work if you keep them covered to prevent clearing; but minefields kill wandering animals and children; so walls are better.

KW64 on July 7, 2013 at 2:27 PM

I will never understand why leaders on BOTH sides refuse to secure the southern border.

Jack_Burton on July 7, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Because both parties have an agenda having nothing to do with what is best for the country. The democrats crave a new special interest bloc of voters. The GOP establishment wants the ongoing supply of cheap labor and has allowed consultants to convince them that he GOP can harvest those same Hispanic votes. The agendas have nothing to do with the welfare of the United States.

a capella on July 7, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Trying to equate US/Mexico relations to that of Israel and the Middle East …..and comparing the the size of scope of those borders might be the most ridiculous thing I have read on Hotair. Dude.

ModerateMan on July 7, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Its obvious that reasoned thinking was never taught to you. Israel built a fence, a pretty long one at that, in record time, with record result rate, 98% secure, against ARMED and DEDICATED MURDEROUS HOARDS (let’s consider Mexico not a sworn enemy of USA bent of annihilating us). In the decades we have been arguing about building a fence on just Southern border ourselves, Israeli company that did such a great job in Israel could have built one for us, on ENTIRE CONTINENTAL US BORDER PERIMETER, CANADA INCLUDED. Most likely 10 times over by now. And at a fraction of the cost we would spend doing it. With 90%+ FAILURE rate where we do have a fence.

But don’t worry, once you make it to middle school, maybe some liberal union hack of a teacher may actually do his or her job and teach you to think for yourself instead of growing up being a useful idiot you are.

riddick on July 7, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Trying to equate US/Mexico relations to that of Israel and the Middle East …..and comparing the the size of scope of those borders might be the most ridiculous thing I have read on Hotair. Dude.

ModerateMan on July 7, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Well, let’s take a closer look at that and see if Israel’s reasons for the fence might match up with our own needs.

1) Prevent illegal immigration from the neighboring country and continent. Check.

2) Prevent the rampaging of armed gangs crossing the border from an unstable and resentful neighboring country. Check.

3) Prevent the flow of arms, drugs, and additional gang members to those already within the infected host country. Check.

Sounds like the same symptoms we’re experiencing. They see the cure working in tangible ways. We owe it to ourselves to give it a try.

So, what exactly about the Israeli fence wouldn’t work here? They are dealing with a much more pernicious strain of the disease and a fence works. It should do wonders for us. Are you concerned about the relative lengths of the borders? Have you considered the relative sizes of the populations, as well? We’re not talking about the Canadian border….although even that would be doable if necessary.

A simple, sturdy fence with regular, armed checkpoints would solve 80+% of the problem. It would be a relative inexpensive solution and very efficient.

“Good fences make good neighbors.” Old English, German, Norwegian, Russian, Japanese, and Hindi proverb.

Ace ODale on July 7, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Hyperbole, exaggerations, and juvenile arguments are the stuff of liberals and MSNBC. Conservatives are supposed to live in a pragmatic real world. WE ARE NOT AT WAR WITH MEXICO.

ModerateMan on July 7, 2013 at 2:45 PM

“Good fences make good neighbors.” Old English, German, Norwegian, Russian, Japanese, and Hindi proverb.

Ace ODale

Yep, Robert Frost’s neighbor was right.

Knott Buyinit on July 7, 2013 at 2:46 PM

A simple, sturdy fence with regular, armed checkpoints would solve 80+% of the problem. It would be a relative inexpensive solution and very efficient.

Ace ODale on July 7, 2013 at 2:40 PM

But it would deprive the demonrats of millions of new voters.

Happy Nomad on July 7, 2013 at 2:46 PM

I see Moderate Man came back to intelligently explain his position.

…..oh wait…forget it.

CW on July 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Hyperbole, exaggerations, and juvenile arguments are the stuff of liberals and MSNBC.

The irony is strong.

CW on July 7, 2013 at 2:49 PM

It would take 30 minutes to one hour into a day long helicopter trip along the border for every single one of you to change your mind. Please do tell how many on you have actually been around the border?

ModerateMan on July 7, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Dimwit’s never heard of the Mexican Mafia or the Texas 7

Also, dimwit thinks Mexico is safe ……

…..The story is similar across much of Mexico’s 2,000-mile-long northern border: a wave of beheadings, grenade attacks and shootouts as drug cartels battle each other for supremacy and lash out against Mexican President Felipe Calderon’s drive to destroy their smuggling operations. The death toll from drug-related violence in Mexico last year surpassed 6,000, more than double the previous year, raising questions about whether Calderon’s government can prevail against a brutal and often better-armed enemy without additional help from the U.S. government.

Yep no need for a wall. None. /

The stupidity of some mods knows no bounds.

CW on July 7, 2013 at 2:58 PM

ModerateMan on July 7, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Do you really think you are making an argument? Wanna try again?

CW on July 7, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Man do you know how to express yourself?

CW on July 7, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Israel’s new security fence along the Israel-Egypt border has stemmed the tide of illegal immigration to Israel and has been protecting Israel from terrorists operating in the Sinai Peninsula, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Sunday.

“The fence that we built is making a significant contribution to blocking illegal migration to Israel,” Netanyahu said ahead of the weekly cabinet meeting, noting that the fence has blocked 99 percent of African migrants from reaching Israel. …

Every day that passes “underscores how correct and how important the decision was to build the fence in the south,” the prime minister said. “You must remember that this fence is equipped with very advanced means… to protect the State of Israel against the double threat of illegal migration and terrorism from Sinai.”

Yeah, sure — but how’s their 35-foot ladder business?

Axe on July 7, 2013 at 3:14 PM

It would take 30 minutes to one hour into a day long helicopter trip along the border for every single one of you to change your mind. Please do tell how many on you have actually been around the border?

ModerateMan on July 7, 2013 at 2:55 PM

No one said we are at war with Mexico. My wife’s family comes from Ciudad Juarez (That close enough to the border for ya’?). They would like nothing more than for either government to seal off the border. They see the present civil war in Mexico to be partly the fault of the US for allowing guns, drugs, and money to so freely flow across the border. The reality is that certain elements in Mexico that act like they are at war with us.

Do you let any and every free-ranging vagrant walk through your house taking anything they want? If you answer “yes” you are a bold faced liar. Of course you don’t. And neither should allow our national “house” to be used as such.

Ace ODale on July 7, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Moderate Man…I have to ask. Is Mexico at war with Guatemala.

And like I already knew, you have NOTHING.

CW on July 7, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Anti-Semitic left demands Israel dismantle its security fence along the Egyptian border in three, two, one….

Athanasius on July 7, 2013 at 3:20 PM

We give Israel a heck of a lot of aid. Can we get their engineers to come to Texas for a little project? (all the way AROUND the state; border checkpoint for illegals immigrant from the south- and liberals from all other directions :) )

michaelo on July 7, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Hyperbole, exaggerations, and juvenile arguments are the stuff of liberals and MSNBC. Conservatives are supposed to live in a pragmatic real world. WE ARE NOT AT WAR WITH MEXICO.

ModerateMan on July 7, 2013 at 2:45 PM

When Mexico OPENS its Southern border we can discuss this further. Until that time hoards of useful idiots such as yourself should continue watching cartoons on TV, they seem to be your “education”, you have no business discussing subjects that are way over your level of comprehension.

Mexicans protect their Southern borders, brutally as it happens, no reason we should not be doing same AGAINST SAME ELEMENTS Mexicans are, and INCLUDING MEXICANS on top of those hoards when it comes to our Southern border. Building an effective and WORKING fence is our top priority. Even Hussein the Idiot’s government hacks admit to Al Qaida crossing into USA via Mexican border. Time to stop all of this idiocy once and for all.

riddick on July 7, 2013 at 3:40 PM

We give Israel a heck of a lot of aid. Can we get their engineers to come to Texas for a little project? (all the way AROUND the state; border checkpoint for illegals immigrant from the south- and liberals from all other directions :) )

michaelo on July 7, 2013 at 3:26 PM

They would certainly oblige. But it requires an invite/request. Too bad even GOP is avoiding this.

riddick on July 7, 2013 at 3:43 PM

michaelo on July 7, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Stop with the guest workers, already! We have great engineers and heavy equipment people here. You want a fence, Mack?

I’ll wager a number of folks would VOLUNTEER for that project.

dogsoldier on July 7, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Israel also profiles at their airport and in their country…fence…profiling…with liberals and weak kneed, spineless republicans running the show, it will never happen here…how many 9/11s or Boston marathons is it going to take…figure it out morons…..our lives depend on your lack of testicular fortitude….

crosshugger on July 7, 2013 at 4:19 PM

From an article in Israel National News:

While 9,570 citizens of various African countries entered Israel illegally in the first half of 2012, only 34 did the same in the first six months of 2013 – a decrease of over 99 percent.

Multiple developments have been credited for the dramatic change. One is the new security fence which covers the 230 kilometers (144 miles) of border between Israel and Egypt.

Another is a law which went into effect in June 2012 under which illegal entrants to Israel who do not have refugee status are arrested.

The IDF has also bolstered its presence on the southern border in response to political instability in Egypt and increasing terror in the Sinai Peninsula, providing another obstacle to would-be illegal entrants.

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu reacted to the extreme decrease. “This is a result of the comprehensive work we’ve done to deal with the phenomenon of illegal entry,” he said.

“After stopping the phenomenon with the help of the fence we built along the border, we are now working to return the illegal entrants currently located here to their home countries,” he added.

It’s about more than just a fence; patrols and (shudder) deportation are also part of the answer. Crime spiked over the last few years in heavily immigrant areas in Israel and this was the response; what the U. S. is waiting for I have no idea.

(I get that our border is longer, but what about at least building the 700 miles that were promised? It’s not that hard to lay fence…)

ChicagoJewishGuy on July 7, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Stop with the guest workers, already! We have great engineers and heavy equipment people here. You want a fence, Mack?

dogsoldier on July 7, 2013 at 3:51 PM

You mean same people who built partial fence that can easily be climbed over? Some “great engineers” I say.

Contracts should go to those who can actually build what’s required, not what’s politically expedient via contract grants for past and future financial contributions to campaigns. This system should also be fixed ASAP.

riddick on July 7, 2013 at 4:35 PM

No, “democracy” pretty much just means holding elections. The rest actually refers to a Republic.

Count to 10 on July 7, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Thank you. Thank you very much for pointing this out.

We give Israel a heck of a lot of aid. Can we get their engineers to come to Texas for a little project? (all the way AROUND the state; border checkpoint for illegals immigrant from the south- and liberals from all other directions :) )

michaelo on July 7, 2013 at 3:26 PM

If Texas actually does that I’m going to have to rush in before the gaps close… that or get a visa.

I’m a hard working conservative from Utah btw.

Chaz706 on July 7, 2013 at 4:37 PM

ModerateMan on July 7, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Hey, had someone bothered to enforce existing immigration laws we wouldn’t have had 9/11. How many Jihadists overstaying their visas did it take to cause that fiasco. But as long as we don’t hurt any Mexicans’ feelings, swell, everybody move around the country at will.

Cindy Munford on July 7, 2013 at 4:45 PM

All those equating how simple and smart that fence of Israel’s is and comparing it to our debate about building one of our own here, bear in mind:

(1), Building a border fence for Israel’s Egyptian border is the equivalent of putting up a privacy fence in your backyard in terms of scale differences between what it took to complete their wall and maintain and man it, when compared to what it would take for us to build one on our southern border

(2), For people so concerned about government spending, actually doing it would be one of the most expensive, long, and perpetually costly endeavors our country has ever tried to do in modern times.

(3), The threats that Israel faces from its border states is exponentially higher than the “threats” we face from our southern neighbor we’ve been using as a cheap labor pool for a few decades.

Just things to bear in mind. Perhaps they are all insignificant concerns to you and what needs to be done just needs to be done regardless. But it’s not a simple as you guys make it out to be, and in an age where the entire schtick from the right for the past few years has been government spending, racking up one of the biggest bills we’ve ever seen will not look entirely… Consistent.

But alas, such is life.

Genuine on July 7, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Genuine on July 7, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Two points:

Easy is for cowards.

It’s not the money spent – it’s what it is spent on!

OldEnglish on July 7, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Trying to equate US/Mexico relations to that of Israel and the Middle East …..and comparing the the size of scope of those borders might be the most ridiculous thing I have read on Hotair. Dude.

ModerateMan on July 7, 2013 at 2:10 PM

And what would you say is the wisdom behind keeping the sovereignty of one’s nation in jeopardy?

What would then be the wisdom behind promoting the increase in the economic burden of a nation whose debt is in the $17 trillion range?

Oh, and there could be some unforeseen wisdom in the contribution of lawlessness and violent crime filtering through as well but I just don’t see it.

anuts on July 7, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Effectively built fences work. Who knew? This is why they stopped building the fence on our border and why they will never finish the fence. It works and its permanent.

KMav on July 7, 2013 at 5:40 PM

(2), For people so concerned about government spending, actually doing it would be one of the most expensive, long, and perpetually costly endeavors our country has ever tried to do in modern times.

Bull.

KMav on July 7, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Genuine on July 7, 2013 at 5:05 PM

That’s if two things are taken off the table. There are only Mexicans coming across the borders and all of them are good hearted people looking for a better life. Our prison population would suggest otherwise.

Cindy Munford on July 7, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Trying to equate US/Mexico relations to that of Israel and the Middle East …

ModerateMan on July 7, 2013 at 2:10 PM

The only real difference is our illegals don’t start blowing things up until they vastly outnumber the natives and the welfare money has run out, unless you count the lack of pagan religious zealotry. But for that it’s just a question of numbers.

MelonCollie on July 7, 2013 at 5:50 PM

riddick on July 7, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Like many others you blame our engineers for what the elites force them to build. Politicians designed the current barrier.

Just things to bear in mind. Perhaps they are all insignificant concerns to you and what needs to be done just needs to be done regardless.

Genuine on July 7, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Your points are significant, but we must build the barrier ANYWAY. We put a man on the moon, for crying out loud and built the national highway system.

We can build a fence and we must, since it seems people will cross our border illegally if we don’t.

dogsoldier on July 7, 2013 at 5:54 PM

…to protect the State of Israel against the double threat of illegal migration and terrorism from Sinai.”

To think that just a few years ago they wanted illegal migration.

unclesmrgol on July 7, 2013 at 5:56 PM

We give Israel a heck of a lot of aid. Can we get their engineers to come to Texas for a little project? (all the way AROUND the state; border checkpoint for illegals immigrant from the south- and liberals from all other directions :) )

michaelo on July 7, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Sorry, greedy-union workers only. Why do you think every mile of fence costs so damn much?

slickwillie2001 on July 7, 2013 at 6:00 PM

I just calculated how much a 1000 mile effective fence should cost to build. I figured 2000 dollars for every 10 feet built. I think thats reasonable. Total cost for 1000 miles would be just over a billion dollars at 1,056,000,000. Throw in another billion for the few complicated areas. This is chump change in todays Big government spending. And shoot, it would stimulate the economy more then the 800 billion they spent on stimulus.

KMav on July 7, 2013 at 6:00 PM

It would take 30 minutes to one hour into a day long helicopter trip along the border for every single one of you to change your mind. Please do tell how many on you have actually been around the border?

ModerateMan on July 7, 2013 at 2:55 PM

…d u h
w h a t ?

KOOLAID2 on July 7, 2013 at 6:06 PM

Hyperbole, exaggerations, and juvenile arguments are the stuff of liberals and MSNBC. Conservatives are supposed to live in a pragmatic real world. WE ARE NOT AT WAR WITH MEXICO.

ModerateMan on July 7, 2013 at 2:45 PM

And Israel is not at war with Egypt.

talkingpoints on July 7, 2013 at 6:28 PM

Genuine on July 7, 2013 at 5:05 PM

The lesson to learn here is how ridiculously effective the fence is. Israel is on track to go from over 19,000 illegal immigrants last year to about… 68 this year. If the US/Mexico fence is too expensive, fine. Let’s build some of it now, then more later. No need to do it all in a week or a year. But that’s not on the table; we’re busy fighting over what color of carpet to roll out for illegals. Why?

ChicagoJewishGuy on July 7, 2013 at 6:31 PM

The lesson to learn here is how ridiculously effective the fence is. Israel is on track to go from over 19,000 illegal immigrants last year to about… 68 this year. If the US/Mexico fence is too expensive, fine. Let’s build some of it now, then more later. No need to do it all in a week or a year. But that’s not on the table; we’re busy fighting over what color of carpet to roll out for illegals. Why?

ChicagoJewishGuy on July 7, 2013 at 6:31 PM

Because democratics need a new generation of voters. Blacks are killing their new voters at Planned Parenthood.

slickwillie2001 on July 7, 2013 at 6:35 PM

Because democratics need a new generation of voters. Blacks are killing their new voters at Planned Parenthood.

slickwillie2001 on July 7, 2013 at 6:35 PM

Make no mistake… democrat politics and the associated culture rot are making major headway in Latino communities as we speak. The religious, socially conservative Mexicans are becoming a rarer breed than they were ten years ago.

ChicagoJewishGuy on July 7, 2013 at 6:44 PM

What the Brotherhood neglected Obama Administration fails to understand is that democracy means more than simply holding elections. Real democracy requires inclusiveness, compromise, respect for human and minority rights, and a commitment to the rule of law. Morsi and his inner circle did not Obama’s and his people do not embrace any of these principles and instead chose to consolidate power and rule by fiat [HSS and EPA]. As a result the Egyptian American people and their economy suffered greatly.

I know this is very similar to other posts but I feel it can not be expressed too often.

JohnFLob on July 7, 2013 at 6:54 PM

It would take 30 minutes to one hour into a day long helicopter trip along the border for every single one of you to change your mind. Please do tell how many on you have actually been around the border?

ModerateMan on July 7, 2013 at 2:55 PM

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If that’s all you’re going to say, it’s worthless.

listens2glenn on July 7, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Those racis’ Israelis are keeping out Africans!

Hey, what’s the matter Jew boy? You afraid of my saggy baggy pants?

ardenenoch on July 7, 2013 at 7:26 PM

It would take 30 minutes to one hour into a day long helicopter trip along the border for every single one of you to change your mind.

ModerateMan

Que?

Hyperbole, exaggerations, and juvenile arguments are the stuff of liberals and MSNBC. Conservatives are supposed to live in a pragmatic real world. WE ARE NOT AT WAR WITH MEXICO.

ModerateMan

So, based on your own criteria, you’re a liberal then.

xblade on July 7, 2013 at 7:29 PM

How is it NOT the same as the wall from “World War Z”?

AlexB on July 7, 2013 at 10:00 PM

Morsi and his inner circle did not embrace any of these principles and instead chose to consolidate power and rule by fiat. As a result the Egyptian people and their economy suffered greatly.

Does this remind anyone else of a certain US Regime which took power in the USA in 2009??

landlines on July 7, 2013 at 11:00 PM

Does this remind anyone else of a certain US Regime which took power in the USA in 2009??

landlines on July 7, 2013 at 11:00 PM

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No one in our military wants to be the first one to openly revolt.

listens2glenn on July 7, 2013 at 11:59 PM

MelonCollie on July 7, 2013 at 1:03 PM

“I’d agree wholeheartedly. Reading war history books, before the Japanese kicked our fat lazy arses at Pearl, we were a fourth-rate power aimlessly wandering in circles through the swamp of the Great Depression.

Quite frankly we needed a swift kick in the pants.”

Not fourth, but definitely third. As painful as it turned out to be,
the attack on PH got us to get off our asses and ramp up to second.
The Germans had the finest military force the world had ever seen at that point in history. They had better planes, better tanks and better firearms. We only managed to beat them with overwhelming amounts of inferior stuff. But, Hey! If brute force works, Just go with it.

shorebird on July 8, 2013 at 12:05 AM

What the Brotherhood the Democrats neglected to understand is that democracy means more than simply holding elections. Real democracy requires inclusiveness, compromise, respect for human and minority rights, and a commitment to the rule of law. Morsi Obama and his inner circle did not embrace any of these principles and instead chose to consolidate power and rule by fiat. As a result the Egyptian American people and their economy suffered greatly.

There you go; I fixed it for you. :)

Theophile on July 8, 2013 at 1:45 AM

Every day that passes “underscores how correct and how important the decision was to build the fence in the south,” the prime minister said. “You must remember that this fence is equipped with very advanced means… to protect against the double threat of illegal migration and terrorism from the South.”

The gang of 8 should reread this.

VegasRick on July 7, 2013 at 12:39 PM

They have heard it, and they know it works all too well, which is why they totally oppose it (regardless of their deceitful pretense to the opposite) but then a secure border would thwart their real goal–to flood the nation with millions of immigrants (legal or otherwise) for…
A______________
B______________
C______________
D all of the above.

Don L on July 8, 2013 at 3:41 AM

Hyperbole, exaggerations, and juvenile arguments are the stuff of liberals and MSNBC. Conservatives are supposed to live in a pragmatic real world. WE ARE NOT AT WAR WITH MEXICO.

ModerateMan on July 7, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Explain again how it is impossible to build a border fence (not 100% of the border, but the physically feasible parts of the border)?

that appears to be your “moderate, reasonable” argument here no? that it is impossible to build a fence? Or that it is impossible to do anything to secure the border?

What exactly is your argument? I guess I’ll ask a few simple questions to ferret out your point:

1. Is the U.S. allowed to have a border? – this is a yes/no question. If no, please explain why the U.S. is the only nation on earth not allowed to have a border.

2. If the answer to “1″ is yes – is the U.S. allowed to expect other nations / citizens of other nations to respect and abide by its border? Again, a “yes/no” question. If no, please explain why the U.S. is the only nation on earth not allowed to expect other nations/citizens of other nations to respect its border.

3. If 1 and 2 are “yes” – is the U.S. allowed to enforce its borders? Again – a “yes/no” question. If no, please explain why the U.S. is the only nation on earth not allowed to enforce its border.

4. If 1, 2 and 3 above are yes, is the U.S. allowed to have immigration laws? (again, a yes/no question). If no, please explain why the U.S. is the only nation on earth not allowed to have immigration laws.

5. If 4 above is yes, is the U.S. allowed to expect other nations/citizens of other nations to respect its immigration laws? (again, a yes/no question). If no, please explain why the U.S. is the only nation on earth not allowed to expect other nations/citizens of other nations to respect its immigration laws.

6. Is the U.S. allowed to enforce its immigration laws? (again, a yes/no question). If no, please explain why the U.S. is the only nation on earth not allowed to enforce its immigration laws.

Assuming (and this is a big leap) that you agree that the U.S. is allowed to have a border and immigration laws, and is allowed to enforce its borders and immigration laws, what is your point?

If, as I suspect you will claim, your argument is that a fence is not cost effective (i.e., will cost far more than any good it will do in reducing illegal immigration) than make that point. Don’t simply call those you disagree with stupid or unrealistic. Arguing by assertion is not an argument.

It may very well be that someone who believes in border security can make an effective argument that a physical fence is not worth the cost because its limited effectiveness will not justify the cost. That’s fine, we can argue about how best to secure the border and reduce illegal immigration.

Simply saying “The U.S. is not like Israel” so we can’t ever compare the two is silly. Of course they are not exactly alike. Nobody claims they are. that doesn’t mean lessons can’t be taken from their experience. I find it hard to believe you have never pointed to, say, the health care systems of France or German and said “the U.S. should do it like that”, even though in reality we are very, very different countries. (And yes, I am implying that you probably take the liberal side on almost everything, otherwise you would not call yourself “moderate” – that is a liberal trope, to claim all liberal positions are the “moderate” positions).

Monkeytoe on July 8, 2013 at 9:45 AM

From the story I read, the Israeli’s built it for under $1.7 million a mile.

How much of that is for sensors and cameras? The sector along Gaza also has remote controlled machine guns.

How many drafted female soldiers are monitoring the sensors?

We should surge the Army and the Marines to the southern border.

How much of the border is already adjacent to land owned by some American governmental agency?

How big a strip do we need to control? 100 feet, 200…?

goatweed on July 8, 2013 at 11:53 AM