Two freedom lovin’ nations offer asylum to Snowden

posted at 8:31 am on July 6, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

This news broke yesterday evening, but given how often this story seems to get turned on its head, combined with how many of you are probably still busy celebrating the nation’s birthday, I thought we’d let it ripen overnight. It seems to be confirmed by multiple sources that two nations have made offers – or at least something approaching an offer in one case – of asylum to fugitive and Wikileaks besty Edward Snowden. And following the pattern we’ve seen thus far, the invitations are coming in from precisely the types of nations where you would expect to see a great love of freedom of the press and open, honest government… Venezuala and Nicaragua.

The presidents of both Nicaragua and Venezuela have indicated their countries could offer political asylum to US fugitive Edward Snowden.

Venezuela’s Nicolas Maduro said it would give asylum to the intelligence leaker, who is believed to be holed up in a transit area of Moscow airport…

Mr Snowden has already asked 21 countries for asylum, most of whom have turned down his request.

So I guess that’s that, right? Not so fast, sports fans. There’s still at least a few possible slips twixt the cup and the lip. First of all, Nicaragua has been seeking to improve its relationship with the United States of late, and Daniel Ortega’s “offer” to Snowden seemed to immediately come with some big ole’ caveats.

Meanwhile Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega said his country would do so “if circumstances permit”.

Venezuela has been pretty much a given since the beginning, and the land of virtually no freedom of the press and oppression of any dissent would almost certainly offer Snowden a celebrity welcome – as long as it served as a black eye to the United States – but Snowden still has to figure out how to get there. That little incident with the Bolivian president’s jet seems to indicate that a number of European states are ready to assist in stopping any flight leaving Moscow which the leaker is suspected of being on and grounding it someplace where we could get our hands on him. So it may take more than an expensive Wikileaks lawyer to allow Snowden to make the jump from Moscow to Caracas.

If Snowden makes it to his big coming out party with Maduro it’s going to be a huge slap in the face to Barack Obama. But at least for now, it seems like he’s on his guard and we’ve got people monitoring Snowden’s possible movements. I would have previously thought that this must mean we’re near the end of the road on this story, but given how long Assange has been holed up in a British embassy, who knows? This may turn out to be a long, sticky summer for Snowden’s Big Adventure.


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Nahhh, it CAN’T be true, not VENEZUELA!

:p

Lourdes on July 6, 2013 at 8:40 AM

Bishop takes Pawn.

Lourdes on July 6, 2013 at 8:41 AM

Why is this joker so damned important that his every breath is front page news? I’m as sick of hearing about and seeing pictures of him as I am of Obama. Yahoo! is the worst offender, putting up more headlines of Snowden than they do of Selena and Justin. And that’s a lot! Only Obama gets more stories and face time.

This will he/won’t he thing is as bad as “Selena and Justin — Getting Back Together?”

Snowden must have the LSM and Obama worried to death, with the lapdog media terrified of how much ‘damage’ might have been done to their precious boy-king. Amazing — a minor, run of the mill tech guy has achieved celeb status.

Snowden must have really messed things up for Obama, but the media aren’t saying much except to make Obama look like a victim and Snowden look like a total fool who can’t spell his own name.

Liam on July 6, 2013 at 8:50 AM

One of his crew should contact one of those Mexican coyotes.They get people thru borders everyday without being caught.

docflash on July 6, 2013 at 8:51 AM

What happened to Iceland?

Fallon on July 6, 2013 at 8:58 AM

…not Libya?….JugEars wouldn’t go in there to get him!

KOOLAID2 on July 6, 2013 at 8:59 AM

Why can’t Honest Obama offer immunity to Snowden, just like they are desiring for that creepy lady Lois Lerner.
.
Prisoner swap anyone ?

FlaMurph on July 6, 2013 at 9:01 AM

What happened to Iceland?

Fallon on July 6, 2013 at 8:58 AM

Some Dem Congresscritter said the other day that it tipped over. /

Liam on July 6, 2013 at 9:03 AM

MeanWhile,back in the USSR…………….

Alexei Pushkov, head of the lower Russian legislative body DUMA, believes Snowden’s exit from the Moscow airport is a good option – @NN

1 hour ago from http://www.nn.com by editor
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http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/edward-snowden-revealed-as-source-of-nsa-leak

canopfor on July 6, 2013 at 9:06 AM

That little incident with the Bolivian president’s jet seems to indicate that a number of European states are

ready to assist in stopping any flight leaving Moscow which the leaker is suspected of being on and grounding it someplace where we could get our hands on him

are vassals with no sense of sovereignty; either their own or that of others…

Between this and the NSA spying on NATO, I’m constantly amazed at how diplomatically tone deaf the diplomacy crowd is.

abobo on July 6, 2013 at 9:07 AM

If Snowden makes it to his big coming out party with Maduro it’s going to be a huge slap in the face to Barack Obama.

Anything that exposes this fraud I shall rejoice….

hillsoftx on July 6, 2013 at 9:12 AM

Meanwhile Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega said his country would do so “if circumstances permit”.

…what does that mean?…if they can… ‘down’ the drones?

KOOLAID2 on July 6, 2013 at 9:13 AM

What happened to Iceland?

Fallon on July 6, 2013 at 8:58 AM

They decided to go on summer vacation instead. I don’t like Snowden, but I also don’t like a US government that spies on every American citizen, especially one that uses such information “to punish your enemies.”

rbj on July 6, 2013 at 9:13 AM

What happened to Iceland?

Fallon on July 6, 2013 at 8:58 AM

Fallon:A no go me thinks!:)
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Iceland proposal to grant NSA leaker Snowden citizenship appears to go nowhere
Published July 05, 2013
FoxNews.com
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/05/iceland-proposal-would-grant-nsa-leaker-snowden-citizenship/

canopfor on July 6, 2013 at 9:14 AM

What happened to Iceland?

Fallon on July 6, 2013 at 8:58 AM

…melted!

KOOLAID2 on July 6, 2013 at 9:14 AM

What happened to Iceland?

Fallon on July 6, 2013 at 8:58 AM

…melted!

KOOLAID2 on July 6, 2013 at 9:14 AM

Like government credibility?

Liam on July 6, 2013 at 9:18 AM

Strip him of his citizenship, let him live in some third world toilet. I don’t care anymore. Don’t let him ever back in the US. Let him never see his family again before they die and then, maybe he will understand the gravity of what he has done.

Not letting the government off the hook either. They are as guilty of malfeasance as Snowden is. Eff them.

john1schn on July 6, 2013 at 9:19 AM

. . . but given how long Assange has been holed up in a British embassy . . .

Assange is in the Ecuadoran embassy in London. The Poles were rightly upset when Obama talked about “Polish deathcamps,” and the Brits would be right to take exception to your formulation as well.

ddh on July 6, 2013 at 9:22 AM

So why would a pesky and insignificant hacker kid need asylum?

rogerb on July 6, 2013 at 9:23 AM

Let him go to Venezuela, the clown who is president now is not long for the job. The country is going to hell and he will be overthrown, then the new government will hand the bum back to US.

hip shot on July 6, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Strip him of his citizenship, let him live in some third world toilet. I don’t care anymore. Don’t let him ever back in the US. Let him never see his family again before they die and then, maybe he will understand the gravity of what he has done.

john1schn on July 6, 2013 at 9:19 AM

Man, I agree wholeheartedly. On the other hand, what do you think we should do about Snowden?

Cleombrotus on July 6, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Why can’t Honest Obama offer immunity to Snowden, just like they are desiring for that creepy lady Lois Lerner.

FlaMurph on July 6, 2013 at 9:01 AM

…he didn’t do JugEars bidding!

KOOLAID2 on July 6, 2013 at 9:30 AM

MeanWhile,back at EgyptianFerverFrenzySquare……………

Live Feed
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http://politics.breakingnews.com/topic/egypts-president-morsi-removed-from-power

canopfor on July 6, 2013 at 9:31 AM

Cleombrotus on July 6, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Let ‘em both hold hands while they stroll into Venezuela!

john1schn on July 6, 2013 at 9:35 AM

Iceland would have been a pretty sweet exile. Unlucky turn of events, here.

Jaibones on July 6, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Let ‘em both hold hands while they stroll skip into Venezuela!

john1schn on July 6, 2013 at 9:35 AM

Heh.

Cleombrotus on July 6, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Let ‘em both hold hands while they stroll skip into Venezuela!

john1schn on July 6, 2013 at 9:35 AM

Heh.

Cleombrotus on July 6, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Cleombrotus:

*Soul Mates*!!
(sarc)

canopfor on July 6, 2013 at 9:41 AM

Iceland would have been a pretty sweet exile. Unlucky turn of events, here.

Jaibones on July 6, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Yep. He’s missed out on the prospect of hot, hot Icelandic Viking love to keep his mind off the drones. Iceland may be broke but it’s a gorgeous kind of broke.

Now he gets to wonder whether retreaded commie tool Ortega will have him whacked once any usefulness fades.

viking01 on July 6, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Hmmmm, this seems almost poetic to me.

Cindy Munford on July 6, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Cindy Munford on July 6, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Shakespeare would have a field day.

Cleombrotus on July 6, 2013 at 9:58 AM

So is Snowden a man of integrity? Will he go to a country he is sure has not spied on its people or abused human rights? Will the willing country allow him to review their state secrets and unilaterally choose which to disclose?

CW on July 6, 2013 at 10:00 AM

They decided to go on summer vacation instead. I don’t like Snowden, but I also don’t like a US government that spies on every American citizen, especially one that uses such information “to punish your enemies.”

[rbj on July 6, 2013 at 9:13 AM]

Yeah, can we have a respite from posts on Americans spying on their government and get back to posts on our government spying on Americans? I’m a little tuckered out from reading about the number of times Snowden hits the lavatory.

Dusty on July 6, 2013 at 10:00 AM

What happened to Iceland?

Fallon on July 6, 2013 at 8:58 AM

…melted!

KOOLAID2 on July 6, 2013 at 9:14 AM

I just checked and the maps on line now call it Landland.

CW on July 6, 2013 at 10:00 AM

Bate Felix ‏@BateEtah 7m

Anyone seen #Snowden? Moscow transit fliers hope for a glimpse http://reut.rs/16e1Xsy via @reuters
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Anyone seen Snowden? Moscow transit fliers hope for a glimpse
MOSCOW | Sat Jul 6, 2013 9:50am EDT
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(Reuters) – When Edward Snowden finally leaves the transit area of Moscow’s Sheremetyevo airport, it will lose its biggest attraction.

The former U.S. spy agency contractor has managed to stay out of sight for two weeks since arriving from Hong Kong on June 23, hoping to fly on to a country that would not send him back to the United States to face espionage charges.

The hordes of reporters who for days camped out in the hope of finding him have long since packed up and left. These days Snowden just provides sport for bored passengers trying to spot him as they while away the hours waiting for connecting flights.(More…)
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/06/us-usa-security-snowden-airport-idUSBRE96506P20130706

canopfor on July 6, 2013 at 10:03 AM

That little incident with the Bolivian president’s jet seems to indicate that a number of European states are ready to assist in stopping any flight leaving Moscow which the leaker is suspected of being on and grounding it someplace where we could get our hands on him.

The stopping of the Bolivian president’s plane has caused quite a diplomatic furor in South America and left Europe with egg all over it’s face. After all European leaders do not want their planes stopped for any reason when traveling in other countries. Nor do they want their citizens – who have just been told by President Obama that the US is spying on them – to perceive they are puppets of the US. I wonder if this bad info was actually leaked on purpose because it will now be almost impossible diplomatically to stop/search another diplomats plane. Plus does anyone really believe Putin is not capable of sneaking Snowden out of Russia – please.

I don’t know where Snowden will end up, but no way do I see Putin handing him over to the US.

D.L.Mc on July 6, 2013 at 10:04 AM

Cleombrotus on July 6, 2013 at 9:58 AM

It would have to be Shakespeare since Hollyweird wouldn’t recognize a new story if it smacked them in the face. Time for Car 54 Where Are You?…..the Saga Continues.

Cindy Munford on July 6, 2013 at 10:13 AM

CW on July 6, 2013 at 10:00 AM

Global warming Climate change.

Cindy Munford on July 6, 2013 at 10:14 AM

I’ve given Snowden the benefit of the doubt. If he goes to Hugoland, I will do so no longer.

WannabeAnglican on July 6, 2013 at 10:22 AM

Although I consider Snowden a patriot and wish him all the best, I think I’d rather be in jail than have to live in one of those third world socialist toilets. (and in Venezuela’s case a toilet that can’t afford toilet paper)

tommyboy on July 6, 2013 at 10:26 AM

So he’s not staying with that hot Rooskie spy, Anna?

philw1776 on July 6, 2013 at 10:28 AM

Cindy Munford on July 6, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Oh, absolutely. The entire saga of the Obama ascendancy and subsequent goings-on, especially as regards the death of a once promising culture and its implications in world events, is ripe for a Shakespearean tragedy of Edward Gibbons proportions.

But who is now capable of writing it?

Cleombrotus on July 6, 2013 at 10:30 AM

tommyboy on July 6, 2013 at 10:26 AM

And wouldn’t he be used as a bartering chip anytime one of those countries needed something? I think that Cop Killer in PA has lived a pretty good life behind bars in the USA, why shouldn’t Snowden?

Cindy Munford on July 6, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Cleombrotus on July 6, 2013 at 10:30 AM

I imagine it could be written, it just couldn’t be produced.

Cindy Munford on July 6, 2013 at 10:31 AM

And wouldn’t he be used as a bartering chip anytime one of those countries needed something?
Cindy Munford on July 6, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Not only that, his liberty would always be at stake whenever one of these banana republics gets a new El Presidente, who may see things differently than the last El Presidente. He’ll be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life. Like I said, I’m not sure prison for a few years wouldn’t be preferable.

tommyboy on July 6, 2013 at 10:35 AM

And still no coverage of the car crash of Hastings.

John the Libertarian on July 6, 2013 at 10:41 AM

tommyboy on July 6, 2013 at 10:35 AM

I’ve been straddling the fence on this guy, I appreciate what I think we are finding out about the NSA but I wish he could have gone about it in a less Kardashian(sic and I don’t care)/Assange (ditto) manner. Don’t forget that Jonathan Pollard is still in jail for giving secrets to Israel and we like them. Or at least other administrations liked them.

Cindy Munford on July 6, 2013 at 10:42 AM

John the Libertarian on July 6, 2013 at 10:41 AM

I haven’t heard about this, why would it turn up on HotAir?

Cindy Munford on July 6, 2013 at 10:43 AM

So what exactly is he doing now? Hanging out at the Cinnnabon allday? Airport food is a ripoff.

Red Creek on July 6, 2013 at 11:02 AM

So he’s not staying with that hot Rooskie spy, Anna?

philw1776 on July 6, 2013 at 10:28 AM

philw1776:Haha,great idea!:)
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I wonder if Putin threw in Ann Chapman,
to sweeten the pot,on possible asylum!
(sarc)

canopfor on July 1, 2013 at 1:08 PM

canopfor on July 6, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Hastings….

http://ktla.com/2013/06/19/driver-killed-in-fiery-car-crash-in-hollywood/#axzz2YHGonkay

Just bad luck?

CW on July 6, 2013 at 10:57 AM

CW:And,not a peep on H/A?:)
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Journalist Hastings who took out,er,took down General
McChrstal dead at 33:

Michael Hastings, ‘Rolling Stone’ Contributor, Dead at 33
The bold journalist died in a car accident in Los Angeles

June 19 2013
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/michael-hastings-rolling-stone-contributor-dead-at-33/5339688

canopfor on June 20, 2013 at 6:57 AM

canopfor on July 6, 2013 at 11:12 AM

****************** BREAKING,We have a Third Offer *********??!!

Edward Snowden revealed as source of NSA leak

Bolivian President Morales says Bolivia would grant asylum to NSA leaker Snowden if requested – @Reuters

3 mins ago by editor
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canopfor on July 6, 2013 at 11:16 AM

canopfor on July 6, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Wouldn’t you love to know what he thought was going to happen and who he thought would prop him up?

Cindy Munford on July 6, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Just bad luck?

CW on July 6, 2013 at 10:57 AM

From your link:

“He was incredibly tense and very worried and was concerned that the government was looking in on his material,” (Cenk Uygur, host of “The Young Turks”) said

.

Fallon on July 6, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Fallon on July 6, 2013 at 11:24 AM

I think we can pretty much guarantee that the government was looking into his material. I’m not sure I’m willing to believe in murder for this administration when lying seems to get them by.

Cindy Munford on July 6, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Cindy Munford on July 6, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Also, could dovetail with this statistic. Paranoia and despair, yes, we can are…

How would they count this one?

US suicide rates surge, surpass road fatalities

http://rt.com/usa/us-suicides-crisis-cdc-report-761/

Fallon on July 6, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Okie dokie… Strike can and bold are

Fallon on July 6, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Reuters Top News ‏@Reuters 1m

Bolivia’s Morales says he would grant asylum to Snowden if asked http://reut.rs/1d2Mijr
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Bolivia’s Morales says he would grant asylum to Snowden if asked

LA PAZ | Sat Jul 6, 2013 11:24am EDT
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(Reuters) – Bolivian President Evo Morales said on Saturday he would grant asylum, if requested, to former U.S. intelligence agency contractor Edward Snowden.

Morales’ offer came after two other leftist Latin American leaders – Venezuela’s Nicolas Maduro and Nicaragua’s Daniel Ortega – also said they would help the U.S. fugitive, who is believed to be holed up in the transit area of a Moscow international airport.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/06/us-usa-security-snowden-bolivia-idUSBRE96509120130706?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=992637

canopfor on July 6, 2013 at 11:37 AM

canopfor on July 6, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Wouldn’t you love to know what he thought was going to happen and who he thought would prop him up?

Cindy Munford on July 6, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Cindy Munford:

Oh man,now that is an interesting thought,as the Snowden Soap Opera,le spins!:)

canopfor on July 6, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Fallon on July 6, 2013 at 11:34 AM

That link surprised me. I was positive it was going to blame any increase on returning military. I don’t know if I think that Hastings was the suicide type. He seemed to have a snoot full of self respect. I’ll wait to see what the conspiracy theorists can come up with. I don’t know much about his life, is he normally a New Yorker, not use to driving? Especially in California and under the influence of legal or illegal substances?

Cindy Munford on July 6, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Oh, but if I were his family, I would have private autopsy and blood work done.

Cindy Munford on July 6, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Oh, but if I were his family, I would have private autopsy and blood work done.

Cindy Munford on July 6, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Cindy Munford:Just remembered,from cruising on LiveLeak:)
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Michael Hastings running red light/crash scene

Some are claiming his death is a conspiracy. Here’s the video of his last moments, you decide.
Added: Jun-21-2013 Occurred On: Jun-21-2013
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ade_1371842799

canopfor on July 6, 2013 at 12:11 PM

I see nothing unusual here. Some guy driving around in a too fast car. And at 4:15 am probably drunk as a skunk.

Red Creek on July 6, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Strip him of his citizenship, let him live in some third world toilet. I don’t care anymore. Don’t let him ever back in the US. Let him never see his family again before they die and then, maybe he will understand the gravity of what he has done.

Not letting the government off the hook either. They are as guilty of malfeasance as Snowden is. Eff them.

john1schn on July 6, 2013 at 9:19 AM

So, it’s treason if a whistle blower snitches on illegal government activities? Considering what he exposed, I think he deserves a medal.
The government can label anything it wants a national security secret if it so desires…even illegal activities. Since when is illegal internet surveillance, especially American citizens and foreign allies, a national security secret? This crap is worse than Watergate and Obama and his gang should be brought to justice and thrown the hell out of office.

timberline on July 6, 2013 at 12:39 PM

drunk as a skunk.

Red Creek on July 6, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Huh, missed that in the reports.

CW on July 6, 2013 at 12:41 PM

timberline on July 6, 2013 at 12:39 PM

The minute the little darling fled the country, he gave up his whistleblower status and became a criminal. He wanted to live outside of the American life, he got it. In spades. And yeah, if you read, actually READ my post, you’d know I hold el Presidente and his band of merry men in high contempt. That does not excuse Snowden.

john1schn on July 6, 2013 at 12:45 PM

****************** BREAKING,We have a Third Offer *********??!!

Edward Snowden revealed as source of NSA leak

Bolivian President Morales says Bolivia would grant asylum to NSA leaker Snowden if requested – @Reuters

3 mins ago by editor
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canopfor on July 6, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Not surprising…after Obama kicked sand in Morales’ eye by interfering with Morales’ flight over Europe from Russia.

timberline on July 6, 2013 at 12:48 PM

The minute the little darling fled the country, he gave up his whistleblower status and became a criminal. He wanted to live outside of the American life, he got it. In spades. And yeah, if you read, actually READ my post, you’d know I hold el Presidente and his band of merry men in high contempt. That does not excuse Snowden.

john1schn on July 6, 2013 at 12:45 PM

I disagree. Obama and his henchmen were out for blood and Snowden knew it. After all, Snowden knew how the NSA worked, and he knew he wouldn’t survive to get to a court of law. What fascinates me is how people accept that exposing illegal surveillance by the government is treason. I would condemn him if he revealed military or confidential material, but illegal surveillance? Gimmie a break. I hope that when the foam settles around this story, someone or some group will bring this matter to light and get Obama impeached. This goes way beyond the Watergate scandal that brought Richard (I’m not a crook) Nixon down.

timberline on July 6, 2013 at 12:59 PM

I hope obama has Snowden droned.

It w/b the ultimate irony.

Schadenfreude on July 6, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Between this and the NSA spying on NATO, I’m constantly amazed at how diplomatically tone deaf the diplomacy crowd is.

abobo on July 6, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Imagine…that’s like rerouting/stopping Airforce One.

Schadenfreude on July 6, 2013 at 1:20 PM

D.L.Mc on July 6, 2013 at 10:04 AM

It was so bad that one of the highest azzes in the Austrian gov’t went to talk to him, bef. the plane took off, groveling for forgiveness. Imagine rerouting/stopping Airforce One because China said so.

———-
The red-head spy offered to marry Snowden yesterday. He hasn’t made up his mind on that.

Schadenfreude on July 6, 2013 at 1:28 PM

A few years ago I probably would have joined the anti-Snowden condemnation parade, But after being knifed in the front by Democrats knifed in the back by Republicans, and spied on by everybody, somehow, however murkily, Snowden comes through as a hero.

MaiDee on July 6, 2013 at 1:28 PM

timberline on July 6, 2013 at 12:59 PM

I’m not denying that the government is doing dirty by the citizens. I’m not even saying that Snowden needs to be prosecuted. I am saying (again!) that if he wants to flee the country, he should not be a fracking coward; he should go all the way and live forever in exile. Whether we like it or not, he did spill government secrets, and he should be man enough to stand behind the charges he made and be prepared to face the consequences.

The government is massively overly invested in spying on its own citizens, and it needs to be stopped. But it needs to be stopped legally, by the populace. Snowden, by fleeing, proved he is a coward, just like Manning. There are no saints in this drama.

john1schn on July 6, 2013 at 2:12 PM

The government is massively overly invested in spying on its own citizens, and it needs to be stopped. But it needs to be stopped legally, by the populace. Snowden, by fleeing, proved he is a coward, just like Manning. There are no saints in this drama.
john1schn on July 6, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Snowden is no coward. He is a rational human with a sense of self-preservation. You don’t have a tenth of his courage anonymous Internet tough guy.

iwasbornwithit on July 6, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Snowden is no coward. He is a rational human with a sense of self-preservation. You don’t have a tenth of his courage anonymous Internet tough guy.

iwasbornwithit on July 6, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Considering you have no idea who I am, and have no clue as to the body of my work in this country, you are making a huge assumption that you of course cannot back up with any facts. Snowden ran away from the consequences of his actions. That is a coward. Plain and simple. If you don’t realize that, then, well, you have no concept of courage or accountability.

The fact that he exposed the illegality is not what I take issue with it’s that he couldn’t be man enough (and to look at him tells much) to face the very people he accuses of wrongdoing—who really do need to be faced. And to run to our very adversaries? I hope he ends up staying in some third world shee-it hole like Pakistan, wondering what he will do next. I want him to have a long life, never to see family again, because he couldn’t be a man.

john1schn on July 6, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Considering you have no idea who I am, and have no clue as to the body of my work in this country, you are making a huge assumption that you of course cannot back up with any facts. Snowden ran away from the consequences of his actions. That is a coward. Plain and simple. If you don’t realize that, then, well, you have no concept of courage or accountability.

Haha exactly! Who are you Internet tough guy? You don’t have the cajones to self-identify on this website, much less do what Snowden did. Coward.

iwasbornwithit on July 6, 2013 at 3:57 PM

The fact that he exposed the illegality is not what I take issue with it’s that he couldn’t be man enough (and to look at him tells much)

Why don’t you post or link a picture of yourself as well so anonymous Internet posters can opine as to whether your appearance suggests cowardice?

iwasbornwithit on July 6, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Haha exactly! Who are you Internet tough guy? You don’t have the cajones to self-identify on this website, much less do what Snowden did. Coward.

iwasbornwithit on July 6, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Says the dope that was bornwithit.

All your dopey insults don’t take away from the FACT that Snowden ran when he could have been a man. You worship a coward.

john1schn on July 6, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Why don’t you post or link a picture of yourself as well so anonymous Internet posters can opine as to whether your appearance suggests cowardice?

iwasbornwithit on July 6, 2013 at 4:02 PM

You seem to have a fetish for wanting to see people that you talk to over the internet. Maybe you should go get a nice job in retail somewhere.

john1schn on July 6, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Says the dope that was bornwithit.
All your dopey insults don’t take away from the FACT that Snowden ran when he could have been a man. You worship a coward.
john1schn on July 6, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Oh buuurrrnn! Fact: Snowden had the balls to expose the abuses of an out of control government that you worship, and he didn’t do it anonymously. Fact: You don’t have the courage or accountability to identify yourself as someone with a modicum of standing to question Snowden’s courage.

Final score
Snowden: 2 gigantic cajones
Anonymous Internet tough guy: Smooth as a Ken doll

iwasbornwithit on July 6, 2013 at 4:27 PM

You seem to have a fetish for wanting to see people that you talk to over the internet. Maybe you should go get a nice job in retail somewhere.
john1schn on July 6, 2013 at 4:08 PM

I have a “fetish” because I called you out for being a coward? It’s cool. I don’t really care to see you rocking your Members Only jacket in your mom’s basement.

iwasbornwithit on July 6, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Oh buuurrrnn! Fact: Snowden had the balls to expose the abuses of an out of control government that you worship, and he didn’t do it anonymously. Fact: You don’t have the courage or accountability to identify yourself as someone with a modicum of standing to question Snowden’s courage.

Final score
Snowden: 2 gigantic cajones
Anonymous Internet tough guy: Smooth as a Ken doll

iwasbornwithit on July 6, 2013 at 4:27 PM

It’s apparent you have a reading comprehension disorder. His cowardice is not in exposing the illegal violations that have been noted ad nauseum by myself and others. It’s running like the little coward he is. The fact that he exposed this information is of a mild annoyance to me, but the inability or unwillingness to face the music is what makes him a coward. And for that, he should be a man without a country. Forever.

And all your misdirection and straw arguments only prove my point.

You worship a coward.

john1schn on July 6, 2013 at 4:36 PM

I have a “fetish” because I called you out for being a coward? It’s cool. I don’t really care to see you rocking your Members Only jacket in your mom’s basement.

iwasbornwithit on July 6, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Considering you keep bringing it up, yeah, it does seem like you have a fetish. You can’t read or at the least, you can’t comprehend, and you like to look at guys over the internet. Hmmm.

john1schn on July 6, 2013 at 4:39 PM

canopfor on July 6, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Holy Cow, the engine was on the opposite side of the street and quite a distance away from the crash. I hope he never felt a thing.

Cindy Munford on July 6, 2013 at 4:40 PM

john1schn on July 6, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Your idea of “facing the music” is falls apart if the system to administer justice is corrupt and wishes to do him harm. You have a naive faith in the same government that wants to imprison this man (or worse) because he embarrassed them. He is not suicidal, therefore he flees.

iwasbornwithit on July 6, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Considering you keep bringing it up, yeah, it does seem like you have a fetish. You can’t read or at the least, you can’t comprehend, and you like to look at guys over the internet. Hmmm.
john1schn on July 6, 2013 at 4:39 PM

I “keep bringing it up” to show you what an obvious cowardly hypocrite you are. Your insinuations as to my sexuality are pathetic. Thanks for playing coward.

iwasbornwithit on July 6, 2013 at 4:56 PM

Is there truly a freedom loving nation left on the planet? No nation that would permit the existence of a N-Stasi-A can rightfully be said to be freedom loving.

VorDaj on July 6, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Paulians abound here today. They can’t get past the fact that the government was wrong, wrong, wrong, and Snowden, by fleeing showed himself to be a huge coward. He thinks he’s the guy standing up to the tank in Tiananmen Square, but he’s really just a brat who runs from his people. Even his own dad has to protect him.

john1schn on July 6, 2013 at 6:45 PM

The minute the little darling fled the country, he gave up his whistleblower status and became a criminal. He wanted to live outside of the American life, he got it. In spades. And yeah, if you read, actually READ my post, you’d know I hold el Presidente and his band of merry men in high contempt. That does not excuse Snowden.

john1schn on July 6, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Do you think he could have gone through the regular channels? I don’t. The way things are being buried – Benghazi, F&F, IRS, etc.

His only option was to leave.

kim roy on July 6, 2013 at 8:08 PM

His only option was to leave.

kim roy on July 6, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Daniel Ellsberg apparently had the same options with a dangerous and paranoid administration.

John Dean apparently had the same options with a dangerous and paranoid administration.

I don’t see how Snowden can be any different.

john1schn on July 6, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Daniel Ellsberg apparently had the same options with a dangerous and paranoid administration.

John Dean apparently had the same options with a dangerous and paranoid administration.

I don’t see how Snowden can be any different.

john1schn on July 6, 2013 at 9:22 PM

They had the benefit of a functioning press. Snowden doesn’t.

Again, I repeat Benghazi, F&F and the IRS.

A dead ambassador sets the tone. I maintain my statement.

kim roy on July 7, 2013 at 1:44 AM

They had the benefit of a functioning press. Snowden doesn’t.

Again, I repeat Benghazi, F&F and the IRS.

A dead ambassador sets the tone. I maintain my statement.

kim roy on July 7, 2013 at 1:44 AM

“functioning press?” You’re kidding, right? The press didn’t become lapdogs for the first time when Barky was elected. They’ve been like that for decades. The advantage of having lived through this is being able to correct people who accept the History Channel’s version.

john1schn on July 7, 2013 at 12:45 PM