Obama admin: We are not waging a “war on coal,” and here’s $8 billion to prove it

posted at 6:01 pm on July 3, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

President Obama revealed his big “climate change action plan” (to be accomplished via pure executive authority) last week, and the reaction from both sides has been swift and fierce. Various environmentalists groups and green interests immediately hailed the plan as a win in the battle against global warming, and one group aptly cautioned their supporters against trying to make supporting economic arguments — the precise tack that Republicans, fossil fuel supporters, and energy-rich states (not to mention unions!) are emphasizing. After the immediate barrage of criticism, the Obama administration made an announcement yesterday with which they’re looking to quell some of the anger and appease both sides — and it is a mouthful: “The Energy Department releases draft advanced fossil energy solicitation to support reductions in greenhouse gas solutions.”

Washington, D.C. – As part of President Obama’s Climate Action Plan, the U.S. Department of Energy announced today a draft loan guarantee solicitation for innovative and advanced fossil energy projects and facilities that substantially reduce greenhouse gas and other air pollution. The Advanced Fossil Energy Projects solicitation, authorized by Title XVII of the Energy Policy Act of 2005 through Section 1703 of the Loan Guarantee Program, does just that. The draft solicitation will be open for comments from industry, stakeholders, and the public until early September.

The solicitation will support new or significantly improved advanced fossil energy projects and facilities – such as advanced resource development, carbon capture, low-carbon power systems, and efficiency improvements – that reduce emissions of carbon dioxide, methane, and other greenhouse gas pollution. The Energy Department will make available up to $8 billion in loan guarantee authority through this solicitation.

“America needs an all-of-the-above approach to develop homegrown energy and steady, responsible steps to cut carbon pollution, so we can protect our kids’ health and begin to slow the effects of climate change. These investments will play a critical role in accelerating the introduction of low-carbon fossil fuel technologies into the marketplace and reduce greenhouse gas pollution,” said Secretary Moniz. “Fossil fuels currently provide more than 80 percent of our energy, and adopting technologies to use them cleanly and more efficiently is critical to our all- of-the-above approach.”

In a nutshell: Lest they appear too biased with their subsidy-giveaways and regulatory crackdowns, the administration will be “investing” in trying to develop cleaner versions and production of coal, oil, and natural gas — except that this ‘new’ venture is actually an expansion on an earlier plan focusing on ‘clean coal’ that didn’t take off. Via Bloomberg:

The reshaped plan, announced today by Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz, is part of President Barack Obama’s strategy to reduce U.S. greenhouse gas emissions by 17 percent from 2005 levels by 2020. …

“These investments will play a critical role in accelerating the introduction of low-carbon fossil fuel technologies into the marketplace and reduce greenhouse gas pollution,” Moniz said in a statement.

The Energy Department hasn’t touched its $8 billion in loan guarantee authority that Congress provided in a 2005 energy law for advanced fossil-energy projects. A 2008 solicitation for companies’ bids focused solely on carbon capture projects at coal plants.

Some environmentalist groups have been pretty straightforward about the fact that, yeah, they do think a “war on coal” is exactly what’s necessary to achieve their renewable ambitions, but the Obama administration is vociferously denying it and working pretty hard to blunt the criticisms. That’s the theoretical beauty of their ostensible “all of the above” strategy — it allows them to have their cake and eat it, too, except that the reality isn’t really playing out that way.


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Wait. Who was president in 2005?

There Goes the Neighborhood on July 3, 2013 at 6:04 PM

OFA Trolls must be reporting in…lots of big sudden unexpected changes?

workingclass artist on July 3, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Wait. Who was president in 2005?

There Goes the Neighborhood on July 3, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Of course, it doesn’t really matter who does it. Just who gets credit for it.

Wasn’t it Bill Clinton who said that?

There Goes the Neighborhood on July 3, 2013 at 6:05 PM

No, Obama is not waging a war against coal.

That would require some sort of declaration, or at least an authorization from Congress…oh, wait, this is Obama we are talking about…the Nobel Peace Prize winner…so, he might just decide to do something like that to get Egypt off the front pages.

But it wouldn’t be a war war….more like an intense localized kinetic action in West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Kentucky and Ohio…but it wouldn’t be a hot war….more like a coal war.

coldwarrior on July 3, 2013 at 6:08 PM

When will moniz appear in a suitable DRESS to match his wig (or “hair” if you prefer to deny reality)?

TeaPartyNation on July 3, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Problem solved. Potential Political damage overturned. All they had to do was talk about clean coal, not really actually do anything. Works every time its tried. All you need is a willing media to print anything you say and pretend its true.

rodguy911 on July 3, 2013 at 6:12 PM

Just imagine how much better shape we’d be in if we only had a chair as president

crrr6 on July 3, 2013 at 6:13 PM

Climate change at the White House: Support for Morsi goes from 60 to 0 in .3 seconds.

wdkeller on July 3, 2013 at 6:13 PM

I must be nice to be able to spend money you don’t have.

sadatoni on July 3, 2013 at 6:16 PM

I really hate these people. They are horribly evil & I just…. HATE THEM.

Badger40 on July 3, 2013 at 6:21 PM

When will moniz appear in a suitable DRESS to match his wig (or “hair” if you prefer to deny reality)?

TeaPartyNation on July 3, 2013 at 6:11 PM

He’s a very pretty girl;
the kind you don’t take home to mother…

slickwillie2001 on July 3, 2013 at 6:22 PM

But it wouldn’t be a war war….more like an intense localized kinetic action in West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Kentucky and Ohio…but it wouldn’t be a hot war….more like a coal war.

coldwarrior on July 3, 2013 at 6:08 PM

Heh. But I think the term they’ll use is “a domestic contingency operation”.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 3, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Once Obummer is gone we need to weed the commies out of these agencies….
Better yet – abolish them.
Let the progressives eat carbon for breakfast.

redguy on July 3, 2013 at 6:25 PM

I must be nice to be able to spend money you don’t have.

sadatoni on July 3, 2013 at 6:16 PM

“It’s even better when you do have money but you steal other people’s money to spend on your gambling bets!! And then get to stay out of jail. Whoa!!” — The Dishonorable John Corzine

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 3, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Climate Action Plan

ummmm…yeah.

BigWyo on July 3, 2013 at 6:26 PM

14,000 Abandoned Wind Turbines in the USA (since 1981)

Let’s see at 2 MW wind turbine operating at 85% efficiency (a little high perhaps) needs to receive a little under 3 MW of wind power. 200,000 pounds of machinery (less the weight of the blades) mounted 325 in the air. A 30 ton transmission with a 120:1 gear ratio in a two stage planetary gear arrangment. Separate oil for cooling AND lubrication. A 20 HP system to preheat the mechanism in cold weather and to cool it when it is running. Three blades with a diameter of just under 100 yards sweeping out 1.6 acres of air moving at 19 mph. It needs a mechanical input of 2.77 MW at the rotor to run the super-synchronous, doubly fed induction generator (SSDFIG). Makes 690V in a 3 phase output at about 1kilo-amp (peak) per phase.
Guess what Greenies … these things will not generate enough energy to PAY FOR THEMSELVES in their entire functional LIFE.
To say nothing of the MAINTENANCE.
If wind power made sense, why would it need a government subsidy (read: YOUR TAX MONEY) in the first place?
G_d Damned STUPID AMERICANS being lead by worthless politicans who are bottom feeding scoundrel’s in government at ALL LEVELS.

Missilengr on July 3, 2013 at 6:29 PM

I’d take American coal over Jihadistan oil any day…

bayam on July 3, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Del Dolemonte on July 3, 2013 at 6:33 PM

The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.
Alexis de Tocqueville

Replace Congress with The Government, and voila.

Rode Werk on July 3, 2013 at 6:33 PM

I pose the question again:

If wind power made sense, why would it need a government subsidy in the first place?

Take your best shot Trools. It is best to have a firm grasp of power engineering and economics if you try to address the question.

Missilengr on July 3, 2013 at 6:36 PM

The Chi-Coms and Ruskies are laughing at the stupidity of Obama.

Probably cheering and applauding too. After all, they do have the same goal in mind. Destroying America.

fogw on July 3, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Just spreadin’ the wealth around…

coldwarrior on July 3, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Missilengr on July 3, 2013 at 6:29 PM

I think the key phrase in your post about those dead wind turbines is since 1981.

That’s 33 years ago. I went to the various articles that document this, and at the very first one I opened, the photo included was of several turbines that must have been that old. They looked hardly “energy efficient” at all, at least compared to the wind turbines we have now.

But the articles didn’t seem to mention how many of those 14,000 abandoned turbines were “old” ones like those, and didn’t have a geographical breakdown of where they were located.

One key issue raised in this story is that one of the main reasons there are 14K of them sitting dead is that they have no salvage value (especially the 33 year old ones!), and dismantling them would be tremendously expensive. And since many of them sit on leased land, it’s the landowner who is left looking the fool.

Del Dolemonte on July 3, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Support your local Long Jon Silver’s:

davidk on July 3, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Aye!

SailorMark on July 3, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Missilengr on July 3, 2013 at 6:29 PM

I started reading your post and by the time I finished it I was rolling on the floor. Great post! I knew where you were headed and you did a damn good job outlining your position. You have to really be a missile engineer. Unfortunately your average senator or representative will not be able to follow you. We had a hydro unit stuck into the outflow of our dam. Didn’t produce much but hey it was hydro. Maintenance costs were always more than the revenue they generated. The company would not entertain junking er retiring them for political reasons. Enviroweenies would have rasied too much ruckus. So joe rate payer got stuck with the bill for PC’s sake.

Oldnuke on July 3, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Support your local Long Jon Silver’s:

davidk on July 3, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Aye!

SailorMark on July 3, 2013 at 6:51 PM

I like the Capt. D’s here in Fredericksburg. They get fresh oysters and soft shell crab (in season) from local suppliers. Can’t beat that at a drive through.

Oldnuke on July 3, 2013 at 7:32 PM

How about waging a war on the brain dead idiots who hoisted this turd on us—-TWICE. I am taking notes on Egypt’s strategy.

hillsoftx on July 3, 2013 at 7:35 PM

He’s a very pretty girl;
the kind you don’t take home to mother…

slickwillie2001 on July 3, 2013 at 6:22 PM

He’s a super freak. Super freak.

He’s super freaky.

bigmacdaddy on July 3, 2013 at 8:23 PM

The sky is falling so everyone panic and do stuff.

John the Libertarian on July 3, 2013 at 8:35 PM

We’re not waging a war on coal, and to prove it, we’ll make an all-of-the-above pie chart that does not include coal, then when we’re called on it, make a “clean coal” section to jam in there, only to talk about rehashing the BUSH ADMINISTRATION zero-emissions coal plant from a decade ago, that was initially dumped when the cost overran significantly.

The Schaef on July 3, 2013 at 9:21 PM

”The Energy Department releases draft advanced fossil energy solicitation to support reductions in greenhouse gas solutions.”

Obama announced a “draft” proposal on coal powerplants?

Yeah, that’ll come into reality just after secure borders on the twelfth of never.

RJL on July 3, 2013 at 9:29 PM

I thought that that Clinton Cabinet looked like the Addams Family, but man oh man…

ddrintn on July 3, 2013 at 9:44 PM

We had a hydro unit stuck into the outflow of our dam. Didn’t produce much but hey it was hydro. Maintenance costs were always more than the revenue they generated. The company would not entertain junking er retiring them for political reasons. Enviroweenies would have rasied too much ruckus. So joe rate payer got stuck with the bill for PC’s sake.

Oldnuke on July 3, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Since Clinton, the environazis have been demanding that hydro dams across the country be demolished to “make rivers wild again”. And they’ve been getting their demands met, including right through GWB’s tenure.

So, don’t sweat it. That turbine, and most likely the dam it’s attached to, are most likely already marked for destruction.

If you’re lucky, you don’t live downstream. Enviros tend to forget about little things like flood control you know.

Except for the ones who get shortness of breath and strange stirrings at the thought of what a flood does to the species they loathe- us.

clear ether

eon

eon on July 3, 2013 at 10:44 PM

When will moniz appear in a suitable DRESS to match his wig (or “hair” if you prefer to deny reality)?

TeaPartyNation on July 3, 2013 at 6:11 PM

He’s a very pretty girl;
the kind you don’t take home to mother…

slickwillie2001 on July 3, 2013 at 6:22 PM

More like this;

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090306195106/memoryalpha/en/images/2/25/Gorgan.jpg

And just about as trustworthy.

clear ether

eon

eon on July 3, 2013 at 10:47 PM

So, don’t sweat it. That turbine, and most likely the dam it’s attached to, are most likely already marked for destruction.

clear ether

eon

eon on July 3, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Heh, don’t need to worry about that dam for another 40 years or so. It’s man made and it’s only purpose is to keep a big old nuclear power plant cool. All that other stuff like boating, fishing, skiing not to mention all of those high dollar homes are incidental.

Oldnuke on July 3, 2013 at 11:21 PM

The PRIVATE owner of SIX coal-powered energy plants in Michigan has already closed FIVE of them due to King Barry’s radical Leftist dreams of his Marxist mommy and daddy. Prior to their closing, the plants had met every draconian emissions standard set by the Gestapo-like EPA. I expect this to occur repeatedly all across the country.
The Irony: BIG Labor is losing jobs good-paying, skilled jobs by the tens of thousands yet they don’t make a peep. I hope those experienced workers, and thugs, are happy to be unemployed.
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on July 4, 2013 at 8:53 AM

Happy 4th of July, I actually heard huge private booms last night.
A little freedom being exercised by the neighbors.
Kept waiting for swat team to arrive.
Our nation becomes scarier by the day.
Good luck peeps, we need it.

losarkos on July 4, 2013 at 9:58 AM

I must be nice to be able to spend money you don’t have.

sadatoni on July 3, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Meh, just print more or take more from working Americans.

Yakko77 on July 4, 2013 at 12:10 PM

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.

It’s just that it will bankrupt them.

Barack Hussein Obama November – 2008

UncleOlaf on July 4, 2013 at 12:49 PM

That Moniz girl is the goofiest looking, ugliest dope they’ve trotted out yet.

Jaibones on July 4, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Wait. Who was president in 2005?

Because Bush had total and absolute control of the SEIU staffed bureaucracy. Right.

SDN on July 4, 2013 at 2:54 PM

For Christmas, You are NOT getting coal in your stocking.

birdwatcher on July 4, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Still with the stupid grin and horrible wig.

Ugly man/woman?

avagreen on July 4, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Yeah, I will still be thinking clean coal when this winter my heating bill increases by 20%. Got it.

jake49 on July 5, 2013 at 2:04 AM

Renewable: rechargeable batteries that are made from elements that aren’t renewable and mined in toxic conditions.

Green: gullible.

MechanicalBill on July 5, 2013 at 8:17 AM