Reuters: Muslim Brotherhood “steeling itself for a fight” if the army makes a move against Morsi; Update: Morsi asks military to withdraw ultimatum

posted at 4:21 pm on July 2, 2013 by Allahpundit

According to Fox News, that move will indeed come tomorrow:

Or will it?

A … joint statement? That sounds like they’ve worked something out, presumably involving new elections. Whatever Morsi’s planning to say must involve major concessions because, based on what the media’s been reporting all day long, the military’s not playing around here.

The Brotherhood isn’t playing around either. The one constant in Egypt stories today besides the army nearing zero hour in ousting Morsi is the rank and file of the MB vowing that they won’t go quietly. From the AP piece linked above:

The president’s Islamist backers have stepped up warnings that it will take bloodshed to dislodge him, saying they would rather die fighting a military takeover than accept Morsi’s ouster just a year after the country’s first free election.

“Seeking martyrdom to prevent the ongoing coup is what we can offer as a sign of gratitude to previous martyrs who died in the revolution,” Brotherhood stalwart Mohammed el-Beltagi wrote Tuesday in his official Facebook page.

It’s easy to draw the conclusion from the size of the mammoth anti-Morsi protests in Cairo that the people are entirely against him. Not true. The Islamists waited decades to take power in Egypt. They’re not ready to hand it back after two years:

It is here that about 100,000 Morsi supporters have gathered in recent days, a reminder that however many millions have called for his downfall since Sunday he retains a significant core support.

“I’m here to defend my vote and to defend a revolution I was part of,” says Shaima Abdel-Hamid, a teacher at the rally. “We chose a president and now they want to get rid of him when he’s dealing with 30 years of corruption. And they want to get rid of him after only a year.”

For many their backing of Morsi goes beyond support for his democratic legitimacy. The battle for Morsi is also a battle for the concept of political Islam, or the idea that the state should be run according to Islamist principles.

“Myself, I hate Morsi,” says Badr Badradin, an advertising agent who feels Morsi hasn’t done enough to promote Islamist rule. “But it’s not just about Morsi. It’s about the future of political Islam. He just happens to be its face right now.” Outside the mosque this week Islamists have often pointedly chanted: “Seculars will not rule Egypt again.”

A Brotherhood spokesman called the military’s threats a “coup” in the making and warned this morning that “We are shifting our tactics. We have had a scenario for this for some time. If military moves on the ground we have a plan for that.” Open question: If street battles erupt, which side do the Salafists fight on? They’re rivals with the Brotherhood for Islamist support among Egyptian voters, but if Morsi and the MB end up getting crushed, that’s probably the end of significant Islamist influence in the Egyptian government for awhile. The Salafists may have no choice but to take his side.

Here’s your thread for following developments; I’ll update as soon as Morsi issues his statement. While we wait, watch Reuters correspondent Eric Trager on the ground in Cairo confirming that the MB is indeed “steeling itself for a fight,” replete with its own militias. Oh well: At least this civil war won’t be sectarian.

Update: Jeffrey Goldberg wonders how it came to be that the United States is being placed in an awkward position by Egyptians revolting against an Islamist regime:

[U.S. ambassador Anne] Patterson’s critics aren’t upset that she talks to the government. They’re upset by what she says when she does talk. She has issued only the mildest condemnations of Mursi’s various attempts to seize absolute power, and she has been criticized for talking to opposition forces only intermittently. She clearly underestimated the size and ferocity of the anti-Mursi forces, and said in her speech that she was “deeply skeptical” that the protests would achieve their goal. I’m sure, though, that the sight of hundreds of thousands of Egyptians in the streets of Cairo condemning the president has educated her on the potency of the opposition.

The crisis of the past few days, which may end in a military coup (which would then start the next crisis), might have been avoided had the Obama administration used its leverage — the $1.5 billion in aid the U.S. is giving Egypt this year, for starters — to force Mursi to include the opposition in his government from the outset. It didn’t. And the Egyptian masses noticed.

The White House decided that it had to make amends for decades of U.S. support for an autocrat by blindly supporting the Arab Spring’s first democratically elected president, even as he turned into an autocrat too. Brilliant. I wonder if the reason Morsi’s issuing a statement “coordinated” with the military is because the White House has vetoed any coup attempt. That would be a bizarre case of doubling down on protecting Morsi, but don’t put it past O.

Update: Turns out, apparently, that that forthcoming Morsi statement that’s being “coordinated” with the military isn’t being coordinated after all.

And so now here we are:

Is Morsi in so much trouble now that he can’t get airtime on state TV?

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Schadenfreude on July 2, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Mursi, continuing in live speech, urges Egyptians not to attack the army, police, or each other. Mursi says he is trying to get Egypt’s army to return to its normal duties.

Here’s the kicker. If you’re an Egyptian senior military officer, one of the ones who threatened to take over, how long do you think you’ll survive if you don’t throw his ass out?


The point of no return for them has already passed.

BobMbx on July 2, 2013 at 6:33 PM

A prison of her own choosing. Crocodile tears for her.

slickwillie2001 on July 2, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Courtesy justltl (from headlines – Mongolian thread)

Schadenfreude on July 2, 2013 at 6:34 PM

Sorry justltl, from this thread actually.

Schadenfreude on July 2, 2013 at 6:36 PM

Seriously, no matter the outcome the Muslim Brotherhood is finished as a active political force. Remember, these guys got the majority of their armed wing fighting in Syria. It’s going to be hard withdrawing them with the commitments the MB made. And the Egyptian military and security services have IDed most of the MB inside their services. If I were Morsi, I would have a plane ready to go to the States as soon as possible. If he stays, there is a really good chance, we could see the soon to be former president of Egypt head on a pike.

flackcatcher on July 2, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Crap,AP\ED,missed this:

Egypt protests

UK Independent correspondent @Alastair_Beach reports there’s a gun battle at Cairo University – via @guardian

34 mins ago from by editor

Reuters Top News [email protected] 1m

Dozens are wounded in clashes between security forces and Mursi supporters at Cairo University: security witnesses #breaking

canopfor on July 2, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Yup,gonna be a showdown,at High-Noon,at Jihady Ranch!:)

canopfor on July 2, 2013 at 6:08 PM

ummmm, maybe. He would say this even if he was planning to run tonight. He and the Bros would have a good escape plan ready. No reason to back down and run until you’re getting your a$$ kicked or your escape plan is threatened.

flackcatcher on July 2, 2013 at 6:47 PM


novaculus on July 2, 2013 at 6:54 PM

canopfor on July 2, 2013 at 5:48 PM

The ironic thing is he’s talking about himself.

Steve Eggleston on July 2, 2013 at 5:54 PM

Steve Eggleston:Exactly:)

canopfor on July 2, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Crap,AP\ED,missed this:


I missed it!

canopfor on July 2, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Reuters Top News [email protected] 55s

Dozens injured after police and pro-Mursi supporters clash at Cairo University

canopfor on July 2, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Egypt protests

Egypt’s President Morsi says he will not step down; vows to protect democratic ‘constitutional legitimacy’ with his life – @AP

1 hour ago from by editor

canopfor on July 2, 2013 at 7:09 PM

Egypt protests

Egypt’s President Morsi calling for dialogue, parliamentary elections within 6 months – @AJELive

53 mins ago from by editor

canopfor on July 2, 2013 at 7:09 PM

Egypt protests

UK Foreign Office advises against travel to parts of Egypt – @itvnews

10 mins ago from by editor

canopfor on July 2, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Lebanon redux? Only this time it’s Muslim vs. Muslim? Egypt’s not going to be a pretty place to visit for a long time, if it ever was.

Cleombrotus on July 2, 2013 at 7:50 PM

And so it begins…………………………………..

Reuters India [email protected] 6m

FLASH: In clashes at Cairo university, 3 dead and about 90 wounded – Egyptian health ministry
Retweeted by Reuters Top News

canopfor on July 2, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Daddy? Did you plug the hole yet?

WryTrvllr on July 2, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Reuters Top News [email protected] 3m

Egypt’s Mursi defies army as it plots future without him

canopfor on July 2, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Egypt protests

Protest group urges military guard to arrest Morsi – @Reuters

2 mins ago from by editor

canopfor on July 2, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Egypt: Tonnes of new updates & pics

Resist We Much on July 2, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Resist We Much:The Bangles,excellent tune choice:)

Oh,and the images,are just wow!:O

canopfor on July 2, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Expect blood. Thank you, Obama, you Lightbringer, Muslim loving friend, you!

RebeccaH on July 2, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Obama once again not strongly supporting freedom lovers in the street..It’s clear he wants the Muslim Brotherhood to remain in power

sadsushi on July 2, 2013 at 9:13 PM

*******************End Game ******************************

Egypt protests

Egypt military statement on Facebook is headlined, ‘The Final Hours,’ says it comes from head of armed forces General Al-Sisi – @Reuters

51 secs ago by editor

canopfor on July 2, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Which leaves them between the tanks in street and the people in their homes at their backs.

It’s a GREAT plan for achieving martyrdom!

PolAgnostic on July 2, 2013 at 4:47 PM

“I love it when a plan comes together.” __H.Smith

Solaratov on July 2, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Egypt protests

Oil tops $100 a barrel for the 1st time since September as turmoil in Egypt raises supply concerns – @AP

10 mins ago by editor

Egypt protests

Cairo University clashes intensify leaving 16 dead, at least 200 injured: health ministry statement – @ahramonline

12 mins ago from by editor

canopfor on July 2, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Reuters World [email protected] 16m

Egypt army says ready to die in “final hours”
Retweeted by Reuters Top News
Reuters India Reuters India [email protected] 6m

Death toll in Cairo University clash rises to 16 – TV
Retweeted by Reuters Top News

canopfor on July 2, 2013 at 10:01 PM

Egypt army says ready to die in ‘final hours’

Egypt’s high command said on Wednesday the army was ready to die to defend Egypt’s people against terrorists and fools, in a response to Islamist President Mohamed Mursi that was headlined “The Final Hours”.

The post on the official Facebook page of the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF), headed by armed forces chief General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, said: “We swear to God that we will sacrifice even our blood for Egypt and its people, to defend them against any terrorist, radical or fool.”

Issued three hours after Mursi appeared on television to reject an ultimatum from Sisi that he share power with his opponents or face a military solution by 10:00 a.m. EDT (1500 GMT), a military source said the statement made clear that the armed forces would not abandon their demands.

(Reporting by Yasmine Saleh; Editing by Alastair Macdonald)
by kira.bindrim 9:44 PM

Death toll in Cairo University clash rises to 16

The death toll in violence involving Islamist supporters of Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi near Cairo University rose to 16 on Wednesday and 200 people were wounded, state television quoted a Health Ministry spokesman as saying.

Security sources said pro-Mursi demonstrators clashed with security forces. Witnesses said they heard shotgun and rifle fire.

(Reporting by Yasmine Saleh; Editing by Alastair Macdonald)

canopfor on July 2, 2013 at 10:03 PM

Obama on Egypt:

‘We don’t make those decisions just by counting the number of heads in a protest march but we do make decisions based on whether or not a government is listening to the opposition, maintaining a free press, maintaining freedom of assembly, not using violence or intimidation, conducting fair and free elections.’

President Obama, do you not remember that you just waived those very same human rights requirements not even two months ago?

How much could you possibly care about these basic liberties?

Resist We Much on July 2, 2013 at 11:33 PM

How much could you possibly care about these basic liberties?

Resist We Much on July 2, 2013 at 11:33 PM

Read your updates on your blog. Wow, that is comprehensive to say the least. I hope you get to eat & sleep sometime:-) Great job, thanks for doing it.

It’s always the people that suffer under tyranny & dictators. I hope the change that is coming will be for the better for their sakes.

bluefox on July 3, 2013 at 12:39 AM

Egypt protests

Mass protests on June 30, 2013, brought out millions of Egyptians demanding President Mohammed Morsi’s ouster.

On July 1, Egypt’s military issued a 48-hour ultimatum to the Islamist president and his opponents to reach an agreement to “meet the people’s demands” or it will intervene to put forward a political road map for the country and ensure it is carried out. – AP

Egyptian army chief Gen. Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi is meeting with top commanders, hours before the military’s deadline expires – @AP, @NBCNews

11 mins ago by editor

Death toll from clashes in front of Cairo University rises to 18, security source says – @AhramOnline

13 mins ago from by editor

Egyptian military holding crisis talks as deadline looms – @AFP via @AlArabiya_Eng

20 mins ago by editor

Egyptian Tamarod movement calls for protest at Republican Guard HQ where President Morsi is believed to be located – @NBCNews

1 hour ago by editor

canopfor on July 3, 2013 at 6:33 AM

canopfor on July 3, 2013 at 6:34 AM

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