Breaking: ObamaCare employer mandate to be delayed until 2015

posted at 6:10 pm on July 2, 2013 by Allahpundit

We’re well past the creaking stage of ObamaCare. Now we’re starting to hear cracks.

Democrats got destroyed in one midterm election because of O’s pet boondoggle. The White House will do what it can to stop history from repeating.

The decision will come in regulatory guidance to be issued later this week. It addresses vehement complaints from employer groups about the administrative burden of reporting requirements, though it may also affect coverage provided to some workers.

The two officials, who asked not to be identified to discuss the move ahead of its announcement, said the administration decided to wait until 2015 before enforcing the employer mandate in order to simplify reporting requirements and give businesses more time to adapt their health-care coverage.

The 2010 Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act includes financial penalties on businesses with more than 50 employees that fail to provide health insurance that meets minimum standards and tests for affordability.

What happens now, without a law requiring businesses to provide insurance to full-time workers as the cost of coverage — and the cost of complying with other new O-Care regulations — rises? No one knows. We had to pass the bill to see what’s in it, and now we’ll have to implement the bill without an employer mandate to see what it looks like in practice. Presumably a bunch of businesses will simply drop coverage and leave workers to fend for themselves on the new ObamaCare exchanges. Assuming that those are ready by next year.

There have been endless stories over the past year or so of business owners scratching their heads and wringing their hands about coping with the burdens of the mandate. (The most fun example involves the Obama-loving film industry.) Gallup polled businesses just a few weeks ago to see how they were handling it. Results:

“We were startled because we know that employers were concerned about the Affordable Care Act and the effects it would have on their business, but we didn’t realize the extent they were concerned, or that the businesses were being proactive to make sure the effects of the ACA actually were minimized,” said attorney Steven Friedman of Littler Mendelson. His firm, which specializes in employment law, commissioned the Gallup poll…

Forty-one percent of the businesses surveyed have frozen hiring because of the health-care law known as Obamacare. And almost one-fifth—19 percent— answered “yes” when asked if they had “reduced the number of employees you have in your business as a specific result of the Affordable Care Act.”

Forty-one percent. That’s terrible under any circumstances but potentially catastrophic next year with the Fed warning that the age of quantitative easing is coming to an end. And an economic catastrophe driven by ObamaCare means another electoral catastrophe for Democrats, no matter how much pandering they do on amnesty and background checks. That’s why the employer mandate is being delayed; more key O-Care pieces, like the exchanges, may yet be delayed too. That’s what failure looks like. So now, instead of Obama’s signature legislation being a drag on Democrats next year, it’ll be a drag on them in 2016 instead. Expect lots of public pronouncements from Hillary Clinton, beginning sooner than you think, about how she admires the president for having tried on universal health care but emphasizing that she would have done things “quite a bit differently.”

Via Timothy Carney, here’s an Examiner vid from April about the joy of mandates.

Update: Via Ben Domenech’s feed, an excellent point:

The employer mandate is part of the law itself, duly enacted by Congress and signed by O. What authority does he have to suspend it unilaterally? Is that part of the “Save Democrats’ Asses Enabling Act of 2013″?

Update: Philip Klein sees an analogy to “doctor fix” — and a risk of this move blowing up in Democrats’ faces next year anyway:

Also, the delay is said to be one year, but if business lobbyists were successful in convincing the Obama administration to delay it for a year, will it actually ever go into effect? Congress routinely votes to delay scheduled cuts in physician payments under Medicare. Will this be the same sort of policy, that exists on paper, but never gets implemented?

Politically, the decision smacks of the Obama administration wanting to defer the impact of the law on businesses during the 2014 midterm election year, avoiding headlines about businesses cutting staff levels or reducing worker hours to get around the mandate. But it could also be politically dangerous, by reinforcing the idea that the law is a looming train wreck. Republicans can now also run on an argument that if voters elect them, they’ll prevent this horrible policy — so horrible that even the Obama administration had to delay it for a year — from ever going into effect.

Obama’s admitting failure here. Why wouldn’t the GOP run on it?

Update: Great catch by Guy:

He’s referring to this now comical Politico piece, not even a month old as I write this. Read it and giggle.


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We tried to warn the Democrats that only single payer would work, not this over regulated boondoggle. Good luck vs. the GOP in 2016….they are going to need it.
libfreeordie on July 2, 2013 at 8:51 PM

“Single payer” is actually “two payer,” or in another words, a two-tier system like they had in the Soviet Union: one tier for the “stupid masses” (poor and middle class), and a separate tier for rich elites who can afford to bypass the government. You know what I mean…like what rich Democratic Congresscritters do when they hammer down educational voucher plans and then send their kids to ritzy private schools.

Burke on July 2, 2013 at 10:14 PM

That simply not true.

Sadly, it is.

The Republican House has voted several times to repeal Obamacare. It’s the Dem-controlled Senate that’s keeping this thing alive.

LOL. No one with a brain buys that joke. The GOP House didn’t do squat to try to repeal BarkyCare. They had handfuls of “must-pass” debt limit raises and CRs that Barky and the dems would have traded anything for but the House GOP gave everything away … for NOTHING in return. They never even asked that BarkyCare be repealed in order for the leftist slime to get a CR or more debt to blow on who knows what. In fact, if you had followed things, the Weeping Boner went out of his way to say that BarkyCare would never interfere with his collusion with Barky and the dems on those CRs and debt-limit raises.

The House votes on repeal were sick jokes that they did to fool you. They were meaningless and had nothing behind them … like non-binding resolutions that are jokes. The House never actually tried to stop BarkyCare. Heck, when the Weeping Boner was only minority leader, he couldn’t even bring himself to force even one complete reading of that monstrosity (any version of the many 2000+ page tomes that were coming and going like virtual particles in a vacuum). Not once. And things only got worse once the GOP actually controlled the House (and the purse strings).

And don’t say ‘just stop funding it’. it’s the law. The only way it will go away is repeal.

joejm65 on July 2, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Don’t put words in my mouth. Where I did I ever write anything about not funding it? Nice strawman.

The GOP House has NEVER tried to kill BarkyCare or even stop it. NEVER. They have played along the whole way and made, at best, pathetic kabuki displays of opposition but have never used any of their considerable power and leverage to stop it.

Next you’ll be telling me about how the GOP House was just totally unable to force the Dem Senate to pass a budget, too … After all, they could never allow Barky and the dems to shut down the monstrosity of a feral government … cause then the poor illegals who the GOP leadership really work for wouldn’t be able to get their ill-gotten feral checks and the GOP would be crushed by the hispanic vote turning against them (unlike how it’s always been, anyway).

Pleeeeease.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 2, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Is the new social con tactic pretending that the 2012 election didn’t happen?
 
libfreeordie on July 1, 2013 at 6:03 PM

rogerb on July 2, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Left Freaks on Obamacare Delay…Somebody Needs A Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance!

It’s the law, even if it IS unworkable and delayed, bytches!

Resist We Much on July 2, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Perhaps this is how they plan on “fixing” that amnesty $5k loop-hole.

Ukiah on July 2, 2013 at 10:27 PM

Oil rises above $100 a barrel as Egypt protests continue, traders eye increase in U.S. demand:
canopfor on July 2, 2013 at 9:58 PM

But .. But… Shouldn’t it go down, now that 0bama told Africa it couldn’t have cars and air conditioners?

LegendHasIt on July 2, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Do you mean OTHER than all the times they’ve passed bills that would repeal Obamacare?

blink on July 2, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Show-votes, they know they’re going nowhere in Congress and without substance they feel rote, all bark no bite.

Where is the real push on defunding this monster? Where is the language to support repeal, rather than Boehner & Co saying it’s the law of the land and some form of this law is here to stay. Where are they ever week illustrating in the news the rising costs, all the problems, the massive headache this law is causing?

Will they even be out there shining the light on the delay of the employer mandate while the individual mandate remains firmly in place and ready to collect new taxes?

Ukiah on July 2, 2013 at 10:31 PM

This really deserves the fly in the face image ;)

scalleywag on July 2, 2013 at 10:38 PM

But is it legal?

wyntre9 on July 2, 2013 at 8:00 PM

My Lord, is that legal?

I will make it legal!

So this is how democracy dies…with thunderous applause.

Meesa gonna tell the IRS to pound sand and not report my individual plan. Thats my business, not lying corrupt fedgov slave masters.

Remember kids, gay marriage is like all about equality and junk n’ stuff. But if you complain enough, bribe enough, and gosh darnit have the right politics, you don’t have to obey the law. Equalitee for me but not thee! Its a tax! An income tax! Commerce clause!

/get bent johnny roberts you traitorous thug

oryguncon on July 2, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Its beyond Obama. ALL the elites have made themselves above the law. the law is for the poor who can’t afford a lawyer, the law is for the middleclass who doesn’t have time to defend against it, the law is how big business destroys their competition. The LAW has morphed from a code to ensure society functions into a billy club to keep us sheep in line.

unseen on July 2, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Yes, that sums it up nicely.

Axion on July 2, 2013 at 10:40 PM

pambi on July 2, 2013 at 7:06 PM

No, but thanks for asking.

Only the last question is my question.

Axion on July 2, 2013 at 10:41 PM

Is the new social con tactic pretending that the 2012 election didn’t happen?

libfreeordie on July 1, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Is the new Prog tactic pretending that Obamacare hasn’t been underwater with the American public since May 2009?

Resist We Much on July 2, 2013 at 10:49 PM

“Now You people get elected in 2014…and in my third term we’ll get this Bammycare goin’ – K?” _ Obama to Democrats

workingclass artist on July 2, 2013 at 10:50 PM

It helps one’s psyche to think of the White House and Capitol as clown cars.
A very few of the Capitol occupants are nice clowns. Most are evil clowns.
All of the White House occupiers are evil clowns.
But in the final analysis, they are all – clowns.

justltl on July 2, 2013 at 10:55 PM

Since when does WH have the authority to OVERRIDE A LAW? US Congress is the only authority that can do it.

I seriously hope that McConnell points this out ASAP. The law was voted for by US Congress and signed into law by Hussein.

FORCE THEM TO LIVE BY THE LAW. January 1st 2014 it is.

riddick on July 2, 2013 at 10:58 PM

The Republicans should bring the Repeal of ObamaCare up for vote. It will pass the House. Then tell Harry Reid and the Democrat’s Senate caucus that Immigration-as-Amnesty will be up for a vote as soon as soon as the Senate passes the Repeal of ObamaCare. Make them own it, over and over again.

Jurisprudence on July 2, 2013 at 11:16 PM

I suspect that the population at the time of the Founders was highly industrious, generally moral, and reasonably intelligent – for which they devised a fine system.
I fault them only slightly for not anticipating our current voting majority composed mainly of imbeciles and sloths and the ruling elite composed of self-serving cretins and ne’er-do-wells.

justltl on July 2, 2013 at 11:16 PM

There is so much the GOP can do with this issue. But will they seize it?

Jack_Burton on July 2, 2013 at 11:24 PM

Can small business owners sue for discrimination? Why is it that one class of businesses are forced to abide by the law that larger businesses do not have to? Or even individuals hit by penalties come Jan 2014?

riddick on July 2, 2013 at 11:31 PM

Since when does WH have the authority to OVERRIDE A LAW? US Congress is the only authority that can do it.

I seriously hope that McConnell points this out ASAP. The law was voted for by US Congress and signed into law by Hussein.

FORCE THEM TO LIVE BY THE LAW. January 1st 2014 it is.

riddick on July 2, 2013 at 10:58 PM

From a link in MKH’s excellent 10-questions post today:

” “The amendments made by this section shall apply to months beginning after December 31, 2013,” concludes Section 1513.”

Does anyone see a loophole here? Yep, truck-sized.

Which months appears to be up to the implementers.

As an old colleague used to say each January 2: It will all be better after the 1st of the year.

dave80 on July 2, 2013 at 11:40 PM

The bill sucks, it has always sucked. The passing of the bill sucks just as bad…….all of this sucking pretty much sucks.

THE MEETINGS I HAVE SAT IN DURING THE LAST EIGHTEEN MONTHS TRYING TO GET A HANDLE ON ALL OF THIS REALLY, REALLY SUCKS…..

I mean seriously. This nonsense has to stop. We are wasting our time on something that can never be implemented properly. They know not what they do.

shar61 on July 2, 2013 at 11:42 PM

I cannot believe that those clowns in the WH actually believe that a one-year delay in the implementation of the employer mandate is going to have any effect on the hiring decisions made by business owners. Any businessman who is smart enough to survive in the current economic climate is also smart enough to realize that the one-year delay can be reversed in a nanosecond (either by executive order or by court order).

What this will do is to increase the cost of Obamacare. Fewer businesses will be buying policies. Therefore, the cost of providing care will be spread on fewer individual policyholders (and the increasing cost of the policies will encourage people not to buy health insurance until they get sick, which will make policies even more expensive). The health insurance death spiral in action…

Obamacare is, as we conservatives predicted years ago, turning out to be one giant clusterf@*k. And the progressives, who think that they are SOOOOO smart, are once again proven to be the idiots.

SubmarineDoc on July 2, 2013 at 11:43 PM

Do I under stand this right?
That a law crafted deliberately, with malice aforethought, so that a subsequent Republican president couldn’t undo or prevent any of the damage to be inflicted; can be modified or delayed indefinitely by a president with a “D” after his (or her) name, without any Congressional action?

jhnone on July 2, 2013 at 11:44 PM

“No experience of the failure of his policy could shake his belief in its essential excellence.”

barry’s a malignant narcissist and democrats have decided to go along with him full speed ahead for the ride. like all narcissists he’ll just double down because he had to make the appearance of quasi-caving in on something.

czarina kitty s will make sure on all other fronts the lemmings will hurl themselves off the cliff for dear dear leader.

mittens on July 2, 2013 at 11:46 PM

Could some of you legal wizards help out?

How is the administration able to avoid enforcing a law, particularly a tax law which is what Chief Justice John Roberts says Obamacare is?

patch on July 2, 2013 at 11:47 PM

Can small business owners sue for discrimination? Why is it that one class of businesses are forced to abide by the law that larger businesses do not have to?

riddick on July 2, 2013 at 11:31 PM

Employers with less than 50 employees are NOT required to provide healthcare or pay a fine under Obamacare.

Resist We Much on July 2, 2013 at 11:49 PM

The only other thing they can do is allow the government to shut-down by holding up spending bills. I’d be ok with that tactic, but PrimordialOrderedPair claims that he didn’t mean that.

blink on July 2, 2013 at 11:48 PM

I never made any claim of the sort. Reread the comments. Defunding BarkyCare and shutting down the feral government are two very different things. I DID, in fact, very specifically and explicitly say that the idiot GOP should have allowed Barky and the dems to “shut down the feral government” in the fight – well, I wrote:

“Next you’ll be telling me about how the GOP House was just totally unable to force the Dem Senate to pass a budget, too … After all, they could never allow Barky and the dems to shut down the monstrosity of a feral government …

but shutting the feral government down (forcing barky and the dems to do it) was the threat with any of the negotiations the House might have done. The House never did anything but continue to give the dems and Barky everything they wanted in return for NOTHING. The Weeping Boner and GOP House did get one great concession for a debt-limit raise that would last the duration of the election … they negotiated that sooper-dooper idiotic Sequestration, which they then ran away from as fast as they could and acted as if it had been imposed on us by aliens from another galaxy.

Look, the GOP was given power in 2011 to do only a couple of big things – to stop Barky from doing more damage and to repeal BarkyCare. That was it. The House GOP refused to seriously try to do either. They colluded with Barky and helped him continue his damage. They made joke votes to repeal BarkyCare and then acted as if their job was done, as they attacked the Tea Party at every turn. That is the GOP that was voted in in 2010 and that’s why the GOP sucked eggs in 2012. They have proven themselves less than useless. It’s a real shame because America had a slim chance to be restored, but that’s long gone, now.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 2, 2013 at 11:58 PM

My son worked at McDonalds for awhile. They were only giving employees 20 hours per week.
Every 2 weeks they would have mass hirings. They did not care about “keeping” employees.

My son said that many of them would work 20 at McD’s and then 20 hours somewhere else.

redguy on July 3, 2013 at 12:00 AM

Breaking: ObamaCare employer mandate to be delayed until 2015

That’s real retarded, sir.

BoxHead1 on July 3, 2013 at 12:15 AM

Can small business owners sue for discrimination? Why is it that one class of businesses are forced to abide by the law that larger businesses do not have to?

riddick on July 2, 2013 at 11:31 PM

Employers with less than 50 employees are NOT required to provide healthcare or pay a fine under Obamacare.

Resist We Much on July 2, 2013 at 11:49 PM

It’s an arbitrary application of the law.

Somebody should RICO the IRS.

workingclass artist on July 3, 2013 at 12:23 AM

Look, the GOP was given power in 2011 to do only a couple of big things – to stop Barky from doing more damage and to repeal BarkyCare. That was it. The House GOP refused to seriously try to do either. They colluded with Barky and helped him continue his damage. They made joke votes to repeal BarkyCare and then acted as if their job was done, as they attacked the Tea Party at every turn. That is the GOP that was voted in in 2010 and that’s why the GOP sucked eggs in 2012. They have proven themselves less than useless. It’s a real shame because America had a slim chance to be restored, but that’s long gone, now.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 2, 2013 at 11:58 PM

Yep!

workingclass artist on July 3, 2013 at 12:24 AM

It’s an arbitrary application of the law.

Somebody should RICO the IRS.

workingclass artist on July 3, 2013 at 12:23 AM

It was how Obamacare was written.

Resist We Much on July 3, 2013 at 12:32 AM

Where is the real push on defunding this monster? Where is the language to support repeal, rather than Boehner & Co saying it’s the law of the land and some form of this law is here to stay. Where are they ever week illustrating in the news the rising costs, all the problems, the massive headache this law is causing?

Try and accept the results of two consecutive Presidential elections held over the specter of healthcare reform. And honestly, ask yourself where are GOP efforts to contribute to change in a meaningful way? It’s easy to always complain, to scream from the back of the room, to fail to identify meaningful alternatives.

In reality, this country cannot compete in the global economy when industry is saddled with the excessive costs and inefficiencies of the American model. The promise of change has unlocked billions of private venture capital, igniting a wave of innovative companies that are starting to transform the way is healthcare services are managed and delivered. Now is the time to contribute to the solution, not endlessly whine about decisions made at the polls by a majority of voters.

bayam on July 3, 2013 at 12:42 AM

bayam on July 3, 2013 at 12:42 AM

ROFLMAO.

Go crawl back under your rock.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 3, 2013 at 12:47 AM

In reality, this country cannot compete in the global economy when industry is saddled with the excessive costs and inefficiencies of the American model.

bayam on July 3, 2013 at 12:42 AM

Pssst: You’re a Canadian.

Resist We Much on July 3, 2013 at 12:49 AM

Obama’s inverse version of hide the decline.

Fudge the Increase.

profitsbeard on July 3, 2013 at 1:26 AM

The promise of change has unlocked billions of private venture capital, igniting a wave of innovative companies that are starting to transform the way is healthcare services are managed and delivered. Now is the time to contribute to the solution, not endlessly whine about decisions made at the polls by a majority of voters.

bayam on July 3, 2013 at 12:42 AM

This would be true, except American companies have a collective 1.74 trillion dollars sitting on the sidelines waiting for the opportunity to invest in a viable market.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012/06/07/companies-sitting-on-much-less-cash-than-first-thought/

itsspideyman on July 3, 2013 at 2:29 AM

In reality, this country cannot compete in the global economy when industry is saddled with the excessive costs and inefficiencies of the American model.

bayam on July 3, 2013 at 12:42 AM

Perhaps you have failed to notice how insurance costs have been INCREASING under Obamacare, despite glib predications by liberals that it would “bend the cost curve downward”. Obamacare does little or nothing to address the “costs and inefficiencies of the American model”, and just adds more (expensive) regulations and throws more money at the problem.

SubmarineDoc on July 3, 2013 at 3:05 AM

My take.

kingsjester on July 3, 2013 at 6:46 AM

bayam on July 3, 2013 at 12:42 AM

This comment should have an inspirational background music track. All the really good PSA propaganda does. “Come on kids, let’s all get behind the government and its incompetence. Let’s do it as a team.”

The GOP had and still has alternative legislation to Obamacare.

The GOP for all of it’s shortcomings predicted the start-up problems years ago and they are now occurring point by point as predicted. Which is what seems to make you guys so mad. Not that your plan is an utter failure, but that the Conservative realists predicted it.

You’re either stupid or thinking that you play us for fools. Obama wants this to fail. The progressives behind this want it to fail. Single payer and a bigger chunk of our income with more government control over even the most basic healthcare transaction is what this was always all about.

I think we can also clearly agree they have a Death Panel like control over who lives and dies considering recent news. Exactly what you lying progressives said did not exist in the bureaucracy.

smoothsailing on July 3, 2013 at 7:05 AM

I have a serious question for Ed & MKH. If the trolls don’t show up on threads like these to defend Obama and explain stuff like this Obmadontcare delay, but troll the heck out of other threads(gay so-called marriage, amnesty, etc.), why are they allowed on HotAir at all? By not defending this, what exactly do they add to the site?

8 weight on July 3, 2013 at 7:31 AM

what exactly do they add to the site?
8 weight on July 3, 2013 at 7:31 AM

Hits and advertising dollars.

LegendHasIt on July 3, 2013 at 8:01 AM

Crash, boom, bang………………. they finally read it and have found out it is unworkable. Now the delay in totally nixing the whole damn thing, means that the economy will f’d over over until they finally declare it DEAD. So round and round we go.

SC.Charlie on July 3, 2013 at 8:14 AM

Try and accept the results of two consecutive Presidential elections held over the specter of healthcare reform…Now is the time to contribute to the solution, not endlessly whine about decisions made at the polls by a majority of voters.

bayam on July 3, 2013 at 12:42 AM

Oh, 2008 and 2012 were referendums on Obamacare? What was 2010? In poll after poll, the majority of Americans didn’t want Obamacare and still don’t, and this latest move is an admission that the law is politically toxic mess.

Now is the time to contribute to the solution? Wouldn’t that have been in 2009 when Democrats froze Republicans out of the process and used extra-constitutional means to dishonestly pass an unpopular law? Not one Republican voted for this disaster, and now you expect them to commit political suicide and help save Democrats from themselves? What balls.

RadClown on July 3, 2013 at 8:22 AM

Most importantly, the IRS goon squad will have a chance to gear up by that time. Yes, the election will be over but the enforcement arm will be in place and that is essential in the eyes of the administration.

Pardonme on July 3, 2013 at 8:24 AM

Considering the IRS is still targeting conservative oragnizations the stealing/buying of the next election for the libs is well under way.

TerryW on July 3, 2013 at 8:27 AM

Try and accept the results of two consecutive Presidential elections held over the specter of healthcare reform…Now is the time to contribute to the solution, not endlessly whine about decisions made at the polls by a majority of voters.

bayam on July 3, 2013 at 12:42 AM

When was the last time leftists accepted the results of an election? they never do. If gay marriage is defeated at the polls, liberals seek alternative routes to get around democracy. And that is just one example of millions.

Regardless, no poll has ever shown a majority of Americans approving of Obamacare. And, everything used to sell Obamacare is and was a lie (costs will go down, it will reduce the deficit, you can keep your health care plan, there will be no effect on quality of service, etc.), so any claims of “people voted for it” is voided by the fact that to the extent anyone “vote for” Obamacare,
they voted based entirely on lies.

Regardless, Obama’s intended action, to unilaterally ignore the law (which he himself championed and signed) and claim some royal authority to ignore the law, is unconstitutional and an abuse of power. If you are fine with this, then you can’t complain about any act a republican president does because Obama is establishing the precedent that the President is not required to follow or enforce a statute duly enacted and signed.

Yes, the law is terrible – as Obama is conceding by his intended action of ignoring the law – but Obama helped push it through and Obama signed it. He must now obey the law and enforce the law. Only congress can change the law. Obama has no authority to do what he is contemplating doing.

This whole mess is typical of liberals. Enact something terrible that they don’t understand because they “feel” like it is a good idea, then complain once it is enacted because it is a piece of Sh**. You people are so childish and ignorant it is appalling.

Monkeytoe on July 3, 2013 at 8:31 AM

The promise of change has unlocked billions of private venture capital, igniting a wave of innovative companies that are starting to transform the way is healthcare services are managed and delivered.

bayam on July 3, 2013 at 12:42 AM

Really? In what delusional world is this happening? Because it isn’t happening here in reality.

Monkeytoe on July 3, 2013 at 8:33 AM

And honestly, ask yourself where are GOP efforts to contribute to change in a meaningful way?

bayam on July 3, 2013 at 12:42 AM

They are abundant and discussed constantly – if only you would listen. You define “meaningful” as “bigger gov’t, more gov’t, more taxes” so anything that doesn’t have those three doesn’t meet your definition of “meaningful”, which is why you are dumbfounded by the idea that Republicans have put forth many, many ideas on Healthcare reform – ideas that would actually work and help instead of failing and harming health care, in contrast to Obamacare.

Monkeytoe on July 3, 2013 at 8:35 AM

I recall the special elections leading up to the law and the election of 2010 were both referendums on the law NOT being passed. How quickly do these liberals forgot that Massachussets put a republican in the Senate to derail this trainwreck but the dems disregarded public sentiment and rammed it through. Its been their wet dream for decades.

NOW they want the republicans to submit and fix this POS law… as if. Eat your peas liberals. This law will cost you many more elections and will ruin your chosen ones’ legacy. Deal with it. You own it!

Bensonofben on July 3, 2013 at 8:38 AM

Is the new social con tactic pretending that the 2012 election didn’t happen?

libfreeordie on July 1, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Hmm. Let’s see – Governor Walker in WI. Prop 8 in CA. DOMA. Many abortion laws in various states. George W. Bush. I could go on and on about Liberals not respecting elections and trying to change recently enacted laws, etc.

But, intellectual – or another other kind – honesty is never something liberals engage in, so why bother?

Monkeytoe on July 3, 2013 at 8:38 AM

But, intellectual – or another other kind – honesty is never something liberals engage in, so why bother?

Monkeytoe on July 3, 2013 at 8:38 AM

That should be “or any other kind of”

Monkeytoe on July 3, 2013 at 8:39 AM

oh and if you caught Morning Joe this morning you would learn the new talking points and lies that the left is peddling.

1) The only reason that republicans were not involved in the law’s crafting was they walked away from the table in 2009.

2) Republican opposition to the law is purely political.

3) Republicans are now ‘mad’ about the delay because it removes and issue to run on in 2104. Find me a mad republican today.

4) The only reason the administration is drafting celebrities is to educate- not to try and rally support

5) The law is popular

The main reason this law will be worse than expected is that half this country has their collective heads up their…

Bensonofben on July 3, 2013 at 8:45 AM

Now is the time to contribute to the solution, not endlessly whine about decisions made at the polls by a majority of voters.

bayam on July 3, 2013 at 12:42 AM

We await your wholesale support of Governor Walker and his reforms in Wisconsin. After all, he won twice in two years.

rrpjr on July 3, 2013 at 8:57 AM

Can a Republican President decide not to enforce the mandate on businesses and individuals starting in 2016 or is delaying implementation of unpopular fines/penalties only allowed prior to them being implemented?

If the Chief Executive can decide wily nilly I delay implementation, why wouldn’t they be able to pause it for a period of however long they are in office in the future?

Obama has set the precedent that the Executive can choose to not enforce laws they disagree with. If we get a conservative President in 2016, can they choose to not enforce any of the penalties in Obamacare?

weaselyone on July 3, 2013 at 8:59 AM

Explain to me how OZero has the constitutional authority to do this at all? Since when does anyone get to pick and choose which pieces of a law to follow? This horrible train wreck of a law needs to be fully implemented on schedule so that everyone can see what a horror it is.

Southgirl on July 3, 2013 at 9:05 AM

Is the new social con tactic pretending that the 2012 election didn’t happen?

libfreeordie on July 1, 2013 at 6:03 PM

I’m no social con, but pointing out that your president’s ‘signature achievement’ is a massive boondoggle and failure isn’t ‘a tactic.’

It’s just a fact.

Cheers.

Good Lt on July 3, 2013 at 9:10 AM

bayam on July 3, 2013 at 12:42 AM

Glad to hear from you. It allows the stupidity and utter ignorance of the progs on this issue to come out in bloom.

Absolutely nothing of what you have said in a few threads is anywhere remotely correct. None of it. No one should give a single ounce of consideration for anything he says because on this topic he is completely ignorant. As many of us in the benefit world predicted – the law is unworkable. And delaying it a year won’t help.

Next steps – the exchanges are not going to be ready even in states where they want to do it and the federal exchanges will not be ready either – the GAO has already tipped us all off on that one. The individual mandate will be “delayed” as well within the next 30-60 days because they have no where to go to buy coverage. Then will come the decision on coverage mandates as employers wrestle with what the one year delay means with regards to coverage levels and required coverages.

And as much as I respect Avik Roy – I believe his concern about pushing individuals into the individual mandate line for health care is overblown. Most young healthy individuals are not going to carry insurance – in fact I think most people have no need to until they have an actual case needing treatment.

Obamacare has just taken a direct hit. Hull breech is coming.

Zomcon JEM on July 3, 2013 at 9:22 AM

Yes, the law is terrible – as Obama is conceding by his intended action of ignoring the law – but Obama helped push it through and Obama signed it. He must now obey the law and enforce the law. Only congress can change the law. Obama has no authority to do what he is contemplating doing.

Come on Monkeytoe, you know damn well he can and will do whatever the hell he wants with zero consequences.

Name me one other time the rule of law meant anything to this tyrant….just one.

runawayyyy on July 3, 2013 at 9:31 AM

Is the new social con tactic pretending that the 2012 election didn’t happen?

libfreeordie on July 1, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Was the progressive tactic pretending 2010 didn’t happen?

RadClown on July 3, 2013 at 9:34 AM

All of this because they couldn’t compromise on per-existing conditions, Tort reform, and let insurance be bought over state lines. Yep, this was a toughie.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2013 at 9:36 AM

per-existing conditions are just like pre-existing conditions.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2013 at 9:40 AM

bayam on July 3, 2013 at 12:42 AM

You’re right that our healthcare system is way too expensive but it’s not business that feels the pinch, it’s employees because the price of over expensive insurance comes out of their paychecks. And the reasons it’s too high is the Medicare fee for service model that all insurers adopt, the tax system and a bloated and inefficient healthcare system that badly needs reform.

I predict that real health care reform will unleash an explosion of investment and consumption in this country but ObamaCare ain’t it.

breffnian on July 3, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Well, since the enforcement of laws is now optional, the “the GOP can’t refuse to fund ObamaCare because it’s THE LAW” question has been definitively put to rest.

If the GOP were smart…and had b@lls…they’d simply announce the following:

“Nuh uh. We either implement all of the law or none of it. We will fund full implementation…we will not fund “leave out the parts that are going to have the American people dragging Democrats into the streets”. Choose, Democrats.”

Either choice the Democrats make would be DISASTROUS for their party.

Unfortunately, Republicans are cowards and lickspittles, so it will never happen.

rvastar on July 3, 2013 at 9:42 AM

Single payer” is actually “two payer,” or in another words, a two-tier system like they had in the Soviet Union: one tier for the “stupid masses” (poor and middle class), and a separate tier for rich elites who can afford to bypass the government. You know what I mean…like what rich Democratic Congresscritters do when they hammer down educational voucher plans and then send their kids to ritzy private schools.

Burke on July 2, 2013 at 10:14 PM

Absolutely right. I’m Irish and that’s exactly the system we have. A third of the people get private health insurance and the rest get in line.
Was speaking to an NHS nurse recently who said the system was “wonderful if it wasn’t for all the waiting lists” to see a specialist or get elective surgery etc.
The only people who desire single payer are those who never experienced it.

breffnian on July 3, 2013 at 9:50 AM

This was inevitable. A dumb law, against the will of the people, was passed in a dubious fashion. What did you expect? Now watch and see it fall like a line of dominoes. The GOP should run on this issue,. The midterms would be very entertaining.

tommy71 on July 3, 2013 at 10:03 AM

Why can’t Congress just treat this like the border fence vote on but they never build? Just don’t fund it.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2013 at 10:12 AM

So now, instead of Obama’s signature legislation being a drag on Democrats next year, it’ll be a drag on them in 2016 instead.

WRONG! It will be a drag on democrats both next year AND in 2016.

olesparkie on July 3, 2013 at 10:28 AM

Left Freaks on Obamacare Delay…Somebody Needs A Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance!

It’s the law, even if it IS unworkable and delayed, bytches!

Resist We Much on July 2, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Thanks for the link and here’s an interesting point from it–

Not only do companies like Hobby Lobby NOT have to provide abortifacient, sterilisation, and contraception coverage, they don’t EVEN have to provide healthcare next year. Also, they have a new argument to use in court:

If the administration can arbitrarily and capriciously waive or delay mandates for businesses with more than 50 employers IN DEFIANCE OF THE CLEAR LANGUAGE OF THE LAW, then, why should employers have to obey Obamacare when providing it will violate their religious beliefs?

And then why should We The People have to sign up for it anyway or be subject to the penalties we would have to pay? Let’s all be anarchists like Bammy the dicktator.

stukinIL4now on July 3, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Can small business owners sue for discrimination? Why is it that one class of businesses are forced to abide by the law that larger businesses do not have to?

riddick on July 2, 2013 at 11:31 PM

Employers with less than 50 employees are NOT required to provide healthcare or pay a fine under Obamacare.

Resist We Much on July 2, 2013 at 11:49 PM

What about all those unions that received exemptions from the law? I thought that one of the concepts of Law was that everyone is equal under it. So is that still true? Is the lady truly blindfolded, or is she really peeking and using her finger to change the measuring of the law for those who aren’t as equal as other animals?

Since exemptions were given out by the Executive branch, with no authorization within the law itself, it seems as if they were granted purely on a preferential basis. To my knowledge, no standard was ever published that established what criteria was required in order to merit an exemption. Exemptions are un-Constitutional under the rule of Law and should be grounds for a lawsuit. But then again, I’m not a lawyer…

dominigan on July 3, 2013 at 10:39 AM

“BarkyCare” tirade…ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 2, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Huh???

Was’sis Barky?

Barking mad? are you a brit?

TPOPair try this article http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/16/yes-the-37th-obamacare-repeal-vote-matters/

In this article the Washington Post makes fun of how many times the House has given the Senate the opportunity to repeal some or all of the so called Affordable Care Act. The Senate never takes it up in whole or in part, the senate could have initiated what the administration has done months ago and saved companies a lot of money agonizing this year, and insurance companies from hurrying the adaptation.

Fleuries on July 3, 2013 at 10:54 AM

I’m sure someone has already posted this but just in case…..

IOWAHAWK: You know who really feels stupid right now? All those people who bribed the White House for Obamacare waivers. Suckers!

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Exemptions are un-Constitutional under the rule of Law and should be grounds for a lawsuit. But then again, I’m not a lawyer…

dominigan on July 3, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Good point, but then I don’t know how many laws have been compromised in this way before.

It seems like a “bill-of-attainder” in reverse: I nominate individuals or groups I want to favor by exemption from a law. The problem is that Congress has been exempting itself from laws applying to everyone else for a long long time.

My summary of this moment of Democrat lucidity:
Mr President, I’d like you to to meet Mr Reality.

Gee, have we met before?

No, I don’t think so…

virgo on July 3, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Regardless, no poll has ever shown a majority of Americans approving of Obamacare. And, everything used to sell Obamacare is and was a lie (costs will go down, it will reduce the deficit, you can keep your health care plan, there will be no effect on quality of service, etc.)

That’s simply not true. To this day, a majority of Americans approve of the key provisions of Obamacare, including access to affordable healthcare for those with pre-existing conditions. It’s only when the right vilifies reform under the mantle of ‘Obamacare’ that polls fall.

The CBO continues to predict that Obamacare will reduce the deficit over the next decade, as it will eventually alter the cost model. When you change the way healthcare providers are compensated from a fee-based model to one that rewards outcomes, costs inevitably fall, as widespread inefficiencies and misaligned incentives are no longer key drivers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/02/health/colonoscopies-explain-why-us-leads-the-world-in-health-expenditures.html?_r=2&

I predict that real health care reform will unleash an explosion of investment and consumption in this country but ObamaCare ain’t it.

breffnian on July 3, 2013 at 9:40 AM

You don’t know that investment in healthcare innovation has already exploded due to Obamacase because it’s not a story the right wants you to hear.

http://www.slideshare.net/RockHealth/2012-year-end-funding-report

bayam on July 3, 2013 at 11:17 AM

So bayam fled the thread (again) after he tried to swim in the deep end of the pool (again)?
 
He makes

 

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/04/24/federal-govt-hey-green-jobs-didnt-work-out-but-maybe-green-education-will/comment-page-2/#comment-5772869

 
a noticeable

 

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/03/27/sebelius-well-yeah-actually-obamacare-is-causing-insurance-premiums-to-rise/comment-page-2/#comment-6835759

 

bit

 

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/08/onward-obamacare/comment-page-5/#comment-6493691

 
of a habit

 

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/02/28/video-rare-american-who-can-afford-to-buy-chevy-volt-vows-to-buy-one/comment-page-2/#comment-5546327

 
of that technique, doesn’t he?
 
One might almost be led to believe that he doesn’t understand the topics.
 
Like I told you before, bayam, it’s okay to admit you just want the adults to buy you stuff.

rogerb on July 3, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Hey, bayam. We were posting at the same time, but mine got hung up in the filter. Probably all the links.
 
We all figured you’d fled the thread like you always do. Just a matter of time, I suppose. Old habits and what-not.

rogerb on July 3, 2013 at 11:26 AM

You don’t know that investment in healthcare innovation has already exploded due to Obamacase because it’s not a story the right wants you to hear.
 
bayam on July 3, 2013 at 11:17 AM

 
BTW, I really like that you present that argument on a thread about the Obama administration releasing their “not until 2015″ news over the Independence Day holidays.
 
Say, why do you think they’d time it like that?

rogerb on July 3, 2013 at 11:29 AM

You don’t know that investment in healthcare innovation has already exploded due to Obamacase because it’s not a story the right wants you to hear.

http://www.slideshare.net/RockHealth/2012-year-end-funding-report

bayam on July 3, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Electronic records are not reform. Reform is providing better health care for less. Healthcare costs have risen less during the recession as employers try to save by putting their employees in high deductible plans and people are consuming less healthcare because they have lost their insurance.

There is a revolution coming in healthcare for the elderly. It’s called homecare where older people get care at home with emphasis on quality of life. The need for acute care admissions is greatly reduced and outcomes improve, including longevity. And guess what? It has nothing to do with barrycare. It’s been driven by private insurers who need to cut costs while improving outcomes. Government is way behind the eight ball on this one. The only way government can cut costs is by refusing to pay for things.

The very insurers that liberals scapegoat in their rush to single payer are the ones spearheading real healthcare reform.

breffnian on July 3, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Gov. Bobby Jindal ✔ @BobbyJindal

You know things are bad when you can’t even successfully implement your own bad ideas.

heh.

can_con on July 3, 2013 at 12:57 PM

That’s simply not true. To this day, a majority of Americans approve of the key provisions of Obamacare, including access to affordable healthcare for those with pre-existing conditions. It’s only when the right vilifies reform under the mantle of ‘Obamacare’ that polls fall.

Oh for god’s sake. Sure, some parts of obamacare poll well, but when you put it together with how it is paid for and how it is run, approval fails.

You are just like everyone else selling obamacare – completely and utterly dishonest.

If I poll anyone and say “should sick people be able to get care” of course they say yes. If I then add in, should we do it through everyone else paying much, much more they will say no.

You – like all leftists, are completely and utterly dishonest. Also, the claim that Obamacare will reduce the deficit is so laughable as to not need a response.

You are either completely dishonest (you are) or a complete idiot (you are) or both (you are).

Why can’t any leftist ever be honest about anything? Seriously? Why7?

Monkeytoe on July 3, 2013 at 12:58 PM

blink on July 3, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Don’t bother, Bayam a) can’t understand logic and b) can’t be honest on any level.

She has never been honest on any thread about any debate.

Monkeytoe on July 3, 2013 at 1:00 PM

today Obamacare hit the iceberg
first the rats desert the sinking ship
then a long drop to the bottom
just a matter of time now

breffnian on July 3, 2013 at 1:21 PM

1. Where does Obama get the authority to delay the employer mandate? Is it authorized within the Obamacare legislation? If not, let’s hope court challenges are already in preparation.

2. If the Executive Office does indeed have the authority to postpone provisions of Obamacare, then a GOP president in 2017 would have it too.

petefrt on July 3, 2013 at 1:39 PM

House should vote to postpone personal insurance requirement until business requirement is enforced.

Let’s see if the Democrats have the nerve to vote to require individuals to have insurance, but not for businesses to pay for it.

huckleberryfriend on July 3, 2013 at 2:33 PM

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