France, Germany, EU lash out at US after latest Snowden revelation

posted at 9:21 am on July 1, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

France has demanded an explanationGermany compared it to the Cold War.  The EU threatened to cancel its trade agreement.  The Obama administration faces a new round of damage control after revelations from the Edward Snowden cache that the US spies on its European allies:

US intelligence services are spying on the European Union mission in New York and its embassy in Washington, according to the latest top secret US National Security Agency documents leaked by the whistleblower Edward Snowden.

One document lists 38 embassies and missions, describing them as “targets”. It details an extraordinary range of spying methods used against each target, from bugs implanted in electronic communications gear to taps into cables to the collection of transmissions with specialised antennae.

Along with traditional ideological adversaries and sensitive Middle Eastern countries, the list of targets includes the EU missions and the French, Italian and Greek embassies, as well as a number of other American allies, including Japan, Mexico, South Korea, India and Turkey. The list in the September 2010 document does not mention the UK, Germany or other western European states.

One of the bugging methods mentioned is codenamed Dropmire, which, according to a 2007 document, is “implanted on the Cryptofax at the EU embassy, DC” – an apparent reference to a bug placed in a commercially available encrypted fax machine used at the mission. TheNSA documents note the machine is used to send cables back to foreign affairs ministries in European capitals.

The documents suggest the aim of the bugging exercise against the EU embassy in central Washington is to gather inside knowledge of policy disagreements on global issues and other rifts between member states.

The EU is especially incensed:

“Partners do not spy on each other,” said EU Justice Commissioner Viviane Reding. “We cannot negotiate over a big trans-Atlantic market if there is the slightest doubt that our partners are carrying out spying activities on the offices of our negotiators. The American authorities should eliminate any such doubt swiftly.”

European Parliament President Martin Schulz said he was “deeply worried and shocked about the allegations of U.S. authorities spying on EU offices.” And Luxembourg Foreign Minister and Deputy Prime Minister Jean Asselborn said he had no reason to doubt the Der Spiegel report and rejected the notion that security concerns trump the broad U.S. surveillance authorities.

“We have to re-establish immediately confidence on the highest level of the European Union and the United States,” Asselborn told The Associated Press.

Au contraire, says US Secretary of State John Kerry.  This is “not unusual” in foreign relations:

Mr Kerry confirmed on Monday that EU High Representative Catherine Ashton had raised the issue with him in a meeting with him in Brunei, where they are both attending a security conference, but gave no further details of their exchange. He said he had yet to see details of the newspaper allegations.

“I will say that every country in the world that is engaged in international affairs and national security undertakes lots of activities to protect its national security and all kinds of information contributes to that. All I know is that is not unusual for lots of nations,” Mr Kerry told a news conference.

Just as a reminder, here’s a CBS News report from two and a half years ago, during the first Wikileaks eruption, that reminds us that Kerry’s right:

Back in 2001, European leaders accused the United States government of operating a vast industrial espionage network that was eavesdropping on European businesses and giving trade secrets to American companies.

According to the latest WikiLeaks cable release, they should have been looking internally.

France is the country that conducts the most industrial espionage on other European countries, even ahead of China and Russia, according to leaked U.S. diplomatic cables, reported in a translation by Agence France Presse of Norwegian daily Aftenposten’s reporting.

“French espionage is so widespread that the damages (it causes) the German economy are larger as a whole than those caused by China or Russia,” an undated note from the U.S. embassy in Berlin said.

Perhaps the key is not getting caught.  At the very least, it’s important to make sure that disgruntled 29-year-old techies don’t get access to the data which proves the espionage takes place.  All nations collect intelligence on as wide a selection of allies and enemies as possible — and everyone knows it.  Once it gets out into the open, though, each government has to express its outrage so as to keep their own citizens from asking tough questions, such as how their nation wasn’t smart enough to encrypt their own fax machines rather than buy off-the-shelf encryption.

As for Snowden, this puts a different spin on his actions.  Instead of being a freedom fighter against Big Brother, this looks more like animus against the US, and a revelation that serves no other real purpose than embarrassment.  Did anyone believe before now that we didn’t collect intel on Europe, and that they don’t collect intel on us?  If so, welcome to the post-industrial age.

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“Partners do not spy on each other,” said EU Justice Commissioner Viviane Reding.

Yes they do. The idea that “gentlemen do not read each other’s mail” is hopelessly naive. I expect that the EU, France, Germany and even Canada are spying on us. If you aren’t, then you’re a fool.

rbj on July 1, 2013 at 9:23 AM

Eh, we all do it.

But…BUT…this is supposed to be the era of Transparent Hope and Change with a good dollop of improved foreign relations heaped on top.

You suckers who believed the Dog Eating Fool was a god figure hovering above it all just got your butts handed to you, again.

Bishop on July 1, 2013 at 9:27 AM

If only they kept track of every dollar they spent like they do every email that’s sent…

trubble on July 1, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Anyone else a bit conflicted on this one?

Yes, it is done…daily.

But.

Kerry will take care of it. He’s a diplomat, now.

[By the way, an EU meeting in Brunei? That's a good bit far from Europe, right? And expensive, too. Who is paying for it?]

coldwarrior on July 1, 2013 at 9:28 AM

‘Spying on allies is not unusual.’

- John Kerry

‘Bugging friends is unacceptable.’

- German Chancellor Angela Merkel

Smart Lurch Power.

Resist We Much on July 1, 2013 at 9:30 AM

Resist We Much on July 1, 2013 at 9:27 AM

“We Germans aren’t willing to trade in liberty for potentially better security.”

Seems they did that once, if memory serves. Turned out to be a fine kettle of fish.

coldwarrior on July 1, 2013 at 9:31 AM

If only they kept track of every dollar they spent like they do every email that’s sent…

trubble on July 1, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Georgia Democratic Congressman Slams Cost Of Obama’s Trip To Africa While The IRS Sends $46 Million To Illegal Aliens At One Address In One Year

Resist We Much on July 1, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Not to worry. Botch McBotcherson’s State Department will handle this.

forest on July 1, 2013 at 9:33 AM

NSA is the new STASI… Beware of the knock on the door.

Kuffar on July 1, 2013 at 9:34 AM

“We Germans aren’t willing to trade in liberty for potentially better security.”

Seems they did that once, if memory serves. Turned out to be a fine kettle of fish.

coldwarrior on July 1, 2013 at 9:31 AM

They did it several times and each was a disaster. They have acute and long memories, which is why they know the dangers that too many Americans fail to even recognise.

Resist We Much on July 1, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Looks like StateCraft,not to Stately,er,Crafty!!!

canopfor on July 1, 2013 at 9:38 AM

Perhaps the key is not getting caught. At the very least, it’s important to make sure that disgruntled 29-year-old techies don’t get access to the data which proves the espionage takes place.

Ed Morrissey on July 1, 2013 at 9:21 AM

It’s not even that. Kerry is right, we do spy on each other. And occasionally someone gets caught. The difference this time is that it’s public. It’s okay for the UK to catch the U.S. spying on it. There will be some diplomatic tension for a while, and some back channel discussions. But it’ll all be behind closed doors and away from the public eye.

Where the U.S. screwed up this time is that they allowed this whole thing to be broadcast worldwide. This means that the other countries have to respond with public outrage because, well, their public is outraged.

Snowden is likely going to make Kerry’s job difficult for the rest of his tenure. It may take a new administration to soothe the ruffled feathers.

Chris of Rights on July 1, 2013 at 9:38 AM

Systematic. Destruction.

Help our enemies. Destroy the relationship with our allies.

At least the Left is not inept like the GOP.

faraway on July 1, 2013 at 9:38 AM

Au contraire, says US Secretary of State John Kerry. This is “not unusual” in foreign relations

Did he say this in a fashion reminicent of Genghis Khan??

Funny how any kind of disgressions by a Democrat Administration
are excused…..keep it up D*ckHead, at this rate every
country on this Planet will despise us…

ToddPA on July 1, 2013 at 9:38 AM

Hopey/Changey,

must live in the MindSet of East Germany!!
(sarc)

canopfor on July 1, 2013 at 9:39 AM

If only they kept track of every dollar they spent like they do every email that’s sent…

trubble on July 1, 2013 at 9:28 AM

This. We need an NSA for the budget. And for federal legislation.

Chris of Rights on July 1, 2013 at 9:39 AM

[By the way, an EU meeting in Brunei? That's a good bit far from Europe, right? And expensive, too. Who is paying for it?]

[coldwarrior on July 1, 2013 at 9:28 AM]

I saw something yesterday about China changing their tune on the South China Sea issues after a meeting in Brunei which just ended. I think it was an ASEAN (sp?) meeting. That may be what the EU and Kerry were at.

Dusty on July 1, 2013 at 9:41 AM

REPORT: NSA tracks in real-time — email logins, sending, receiving email…

Resist We Much on July 1, 2013 at 9:38 AM

Resist We Much: Speaking of logins,

my wifes E-mail was/still is,…. compromised,……HACKED!!!

canopfor on July 1, 2013 at 9:42 AM

The EU is not all that upset, they just figure they can roll Obama by feigning outrage.

And they’re probably right. Bambi gets really bummed out when the Euro’s speak mean to him.

PackerBronco on July 1, 2013 at 9:42 AM

[faraway on July 1, 2013 at 9:38 AM]

Maybe Snowden is an Obama plant.

Dusty on July 1, 2013 at 9:43 AM

I think they should check the WH logs to see how many times Snowden visited.

Dusty on July 1, 2013 at 9:44 AM

The most likely scenario is that the EU asked to be spied on in order to get unruly members secrets to force them into allowing even bigger usurpation of their individual nations’ sovereignty.

astonerii on July 1, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Speaking of diplomacy…

Now that the Egyptians have called for the toppling of their elected government, and millions have taken to the street, and dozens and dozens have been shot and killed by pro-government forces so far…isn’t it about time Team Obama demanded that the current Egyptian regime resign?

As for l’affaire Snowden.…that there’s diplomatic talk, right there…it was Team Obama that put Snowden on the front pages of the world press. Made Snowden a household name from Edinburgh to Ankara.

coldwarrior on July 1, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Out comes da broom:

EU orders security sweep of buildings after reports that the NSA bugged EU offices in Belgium, US – @Reuters

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canopfor on July 1, 2013 at 9:47 AM

The OBOZO totalitarian police state knows no bounds.

TeaPartyNation on July 1, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Snowden should have quit while he was ahead.

Steve Eggleston on July 1, 2013 at 9:47 AM

keep it up D*ckHead, at this rate every
country on this Planet will despise us…

ToddPA on July 1, 2013 at 9:38 AM

Cheer up! It’s only taken 4.5 years for the US to go from a superpower to backing Islamist tyrants and dictators, arming rebels affiliated with Al Qaeda, being told to ‘GFY!’ by China, Russia, and ECUADOR, and infuriating the EU to the point that Germany has turned the NSA allegations over to the prosecutor’s office. Hell, Obama even told students in South Africa yesterday that they should be ‘wary of the United States,’ which he leads.

Just imagine all of the Hopenchange we’ll get to enjoy over the next 3.5 years!

Yes, we can!

¡Sí, se puede!

Ja, können wir!

Oui, nous pouvons!

是的,我们可以!

!כן, אנחנו יכולים

Evet, biz!

!نعم ، نحن يمكن أن

!بله، ما می توانیم

Да, мы можем!

Resist We Much on July 1, 2013 at 9:48 AM

So,I assume its safe to bet,that Conservative Blogs,Bloggers and Commenters are being bugged by Team Obama,er,the…NSA as well!!

canopfor on July 1, 2013 at 9:50 AM

Well this pretty much destroys the meme that “The world will start loving us again” doesn’t it?You Kool-Aid drinking ba@tards out there whaddaya got to say now?

jeffinsjvca on July 1, 2013 at 9:52 AM

Resist We Much on July 1, 2013 at 9:27 AM

For our Vice President’s sake, shouldn’t you have included, “Esyay Eway Ancay!”?

:-)

coldwarrior on July 1, 2013 at 9:52 AM

Instead of being a freedom fighter against Big Brother, this looks more like animus against the US, and a revelation that serves no other real purpose than embarrassment. Did anyone believe before now that we didn’t collect intel on Europe, and that they don’t collect intel on us? If so, welcome to the post-industrial age.

I thought it was common knowledge that the US and its allies spy on each other – whether it’s Israel, the UK, France, Germany, or whoever – but, like you, I understand why our allies have to feign outrage.

As for Snowden, he may be trying to embarrass the US, but he’s really embarassing Obama and the collection of amateurs at the White House…and that’s OK by me.

Obama himself is doing far more damage to our national security though his actions, his inactions, and his policies, both domestic and international. Snowden is small potatoes.

DRayRaven on July 1, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Meanwhile, Egypt is rocking and rolling. I’ll give you two guesses who Team SCOAMT is backing this time.

Steve Eggleston on July 1, 2013 at 9:57 AM

Cheer up! It’s only taken 4.5 years for the US to go from a superpower to backing Islamist tyrants and dictators, arming rebels affiliated with Al Qaeda, being told to ‘GFY!’ by China, Russia, and ECUADOR, and infuriating the EU to the point that Germany has turned the NSA allegations over to the prosecutor’s office. Hell, Obama even told students in South Africa yesterday that they should be ‘wary of the United States,’ which he leads.

Just imagine all of the Hopenchange we’ll get to enjoy over the next 3.5 years!

Yes, we can!

¡Sí, se puede!

Ja, können wir!

Oui, nous pouvons!

是的,我们可以!

!כן, אנחנו יכולים

Evet, biz!

!نعم ، نحن يمكن أن

!بله، ما می توانیم

Да, мы можем!

Resist We Much on July 1, 2013 at 9:48 AM

I want to know when HotAir will give his latest
“Quote” a thread of it’s own??

BTW, I just KNOW there’s a Jon Huntman quote in your list!

ToddPA on July 1, 2013 at 9:57 AM

More from the diplomatic front…

American Ambassador: Egyptians Should Refrain From ‘Street Action’ And Respect Their ‘Democratically-Elected’ Leaders

Obama: ‘Hey, You Crazy, Coptic Christians, Lighten Up On Pharaoh Morsi, Already!’

Who cares if Morsi was ‘democratically elected’? So was Adolf Hitler. Yesterday, the equivalent of 65.1 Americans took to the street in protest over economic imbecility, soaring food and fuel prices with their attendant scarcity, skyrocketing crime, barbarity against the Copts, regime brutality, hopelessness for generations of Egyptians, etc. Try wrapping your mind around that number. It’s like more than half of a year’s Superbowl audience getting off of their sofas and taking to the streets in protests.

One wonders if President Obama seriously wants to or even can maintain his position of backing the MoFoBros in the wake of the largest political protest in the history of civilisation – all due to community organising, which I believe he claims to know something about and supports. Does he really want to be on ‘the wrong side of history,’ again?

Sadly, the answer is not as simple as it should be. Obama has the greatest ability of anyone that I’ve have ever seen to refuse to assess himself, understand when his policies are failing, ant to change course, but can he possibly continuing backing the Morsi government after the largest protest in world history?

He’s already become the ‘Rodney Dangerfield of World Politics.’ The Muslim World hates us more than it did when Bush was in office. Putin is kicking his ass and making him kiss his Superbowl ring. China has no respect for him. And, Iran, Turkey, which may be nearing a Tienanmen Square moment, and Syria laugh at his red lines knowing that they can ‘call his bluff’ better than Eric Cantor. Can he possibly not understand that he cannot continue to support the Muslim Brotherhood because, to do so, would rain further harm down upon himself, the country, and the world?

The dude is a flucking global disaster, as is his entire administration.

Resist We Much on July 1, 2013 at 10:04 AM

Resist We Much on July 1, 2013 at 10:04 AM

President Obama said the most beautiful sound in the world was the Muslim call to prayer.

Until there is a mosque in every municipality, a Koran in every cupboard…

Or, Obama and his team of crack[smoking] advisers are dumb as rocks.

coldwarrior on July 1, 2013 at 10:10 AM

The dude is a flucking global disaster, as is his entire administration.

Resist We Much on July 1, 2013 at 10:04 AM

Obama Et Al was a complete impossibility absent the Republican disgrace of 2001 through to his election.

astonerii on July 1, 2013 at 10:11 AM

For our Vice President’s sake, shouldn’t you have included, “Esyay Eway Ancay!”?

:-)

coldwarrior on July 1, 2013 at 9:52 AM

Or Welsh to honour his father and other ancestors, who shed blood, sweat, toil, and tears in the coal mines…

Ie, gallwn!

Oh, wait. That was Neil Kinnock, our Vice-President’s ‘speechwriter.’

Resist We Much on July 1, 2013 at 10:12 AM

Resist We Much on July 1, 2013 at 10:12 AM

I admit, you are more eruditer than I are. :-)

coldwarrior on July 1, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Did anyone believe before now that we didn’t collect intel on Europe, and that they don’t collect intel on us?

Didn’t much think about it until I found we had a muzzy marxist in charge. You hear me Obama?

DanMan on July 1, 2013 at 10:30 AM

We blast back to the Campaign trial of 08′,
and see Hopeys Postion Reversal!!

Obama Supports FISA Legislation, Angering Left
By Paul Kane
*************
*************

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) today announced his support for a sweeping intelligence surveillance law that has been heavily denounced by the liberal activists who have fueled the financial engines of his presidential campaign.

In his most substantive break with the Democratic Party’s base since becoming the presumptive nominee, Obama declared he will support the bill when it comes to a Senate vote, likely next week, despite misgivings about legal provisions for telecommunications corporations that cooperated with the Bush administration’s warrantless surveillance program of suspected terrorists.

In so doing, Obama sought to walk the fine political line between GOP accusations that he is weak on foreign policy — Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) called passing the legislation a “vital national security matter” — and alienating his base.

“Given the legitimate threats we face, providing effective intelligence collection tools with appropriate safeguards is too important to delay. So I support the compromise, but do so with a firm pledge that as president, I will carefully monitor the program,” Obama said in a statement hours after the House approved the legislation 293-129.

This marks something of a reversal of Obama’s position from an earlier version of the bill, which was approved by the Senate Feb. 12, when Obama was locked in a fight for the Democratic nomination with Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.).
(more….)
==========================================

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/06/obama-supports-fisa-legislatio.html

canopfor on July 1, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Updated for the 12th time with more pics:

Pharaoh Morsi, Let Your People Go! (Pics)

M2RB: In honour of the protestors, who burned the MoFoBros’ main HQ out last night, take it away Billy Joel…

Resist We Much on July 1, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Boy that Obama fellow sure is a fraud, huh?

Key West Reader on July 1, 2013 at 10:34 AM

I admit, you are more eruditer than I are. :-)

coldwarrior on July 1, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Nah.

Resist We Much on July 1, 2013 at 10:35 AM

It ain’t the US it’s the O’Barky Regime.

You’d think the Frogs and the Germans would have noticed Barky’s Arbeit Vacation macht Frei and Triumph of the Will team themes at least four years earler (not to mention all the paid fainters in his 2008 campaign).

viking01 on July 1, 2013 at 10:36 AM

More Obama schizophrenia:

‘Unfortunately, you’ve grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate, sinister entity that’s at the root of all our problems. Some of these same voices also do their best to gum up the works. They’ll warn that tyranny always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices.

- President Barack Obama, 5 May 2013

‘You will always find the extended hand of a friend in the United States of America. When we look at what other countries are doing in Africa, I think our only advice is make sure it’s a good deal for Africa. If somebody says they want to come build something here, are they hiring African workers? If somebody says that they want to help you develop your natural resources, how much of the money is staying in Africa? … Don’t just assume that folks come here and they’re automatically benefiting Africans. And that includes the United States. Ask questions in terms of what we do.’

- President Barack Obama, 30 June 2013

Resist We Much on July 1, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Boy that Obama fellow sure is a fraud, huh?

Key West Reader on July 1, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Key West Reader:

Morning’,why yes,we knew this was going to be a Train-Wreck,
on H/A,the day after Fence Post Turtle the Spy was sworn in.:)

canopfor on July 1, 2013 at 10:40 AM

“Don’t just assume that folks come here and they’re automatically benefiting Africans. And that includes the United States.”

Wow. Just Wow! Obama must really be p.o.’d about Laura and George W. Bush next door in Zambia, actually personally building a cancer hospital.

coldwarrior on July 1, 2013 at 10:44 AM

Morning’,why yes,we knew this was going to be a Train-Wreck,
on H/A,the day after Fence Post Turtle the Spy was sworn in.:)

canopfor on July 1, 2013 at 10:40 AM

LMAO! I remember that! How have you been?

Key West Reader on July 1, 2013 at 10:46 AM

“Don’t just assume that folks come here and they’re automatically benefiting Africans. And that includes the United States.”

Wow. Just Wow! Obama must really be p.o.’d about Laura and George W. Bush next door in Zambia, actually personally building a cancer hospital.

coldwarrior on July 1, 2013 at 10:44 AM

He’s such a petty little bitch, isn’t he?

Key West Reader on July 1, 2013 at 10:47 AM

“Don’t just assume that folks come here and they’re automatically benefiting Africans. And that includes the United States.”

Wow. Just Wow! Obama must really be p.o.’d about Laura and George W. Bush next door in Zambia, actually personally building a cancer hospital.

coldwarrior on July 1, 2013 at 10:44 AM

He’s worse than a 5th grade girl.

Key West Reader on July 1, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Key West Reader on July 1, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Certainly a fifth rate President.

coldwarrior on July 1, 2013 at 10:49 AM

how much of the money is staying in Africa? … Don’t just assume that folks come here and they’re automatically benefiting Africans. And that includes the United States. Ask questions in terms of what we do.’

- President Barack Obama, 30 June 2013

Resist We Much on July 1, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Resist We Much:Speaking of Loot(ery)!:)
=======================================

President Obama to sign executive order in Tanzania to deal with wildlife poaching, in particular elephants and rhinos; will include $10 million in assistance – @chucktodd

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canopfor on July 1, 2013 at 10:53 AM

“Partners do not spy on each other,” said EU Justice Commissioner Viviane Reding.

Oh, please. Read The Codebreakers by David Kahn, specifically Chapter 5, “The Era of the Black Chambers”:

Black chambers were common during the 1700s, but that of Vienna- the Geheime Kabinet-Kanzlei- was reputed to be the best in all Europe.

It ran with almost unbelievable efficiency. The bags of mail for delivery to th4e embassies in Vienna were brought tom the black chamber every day at 7 a.m. there the letters were opened by melting their (wax) seals with a candle. The order of the letters in the envelope was noted and the letters given to a subdirector. He read them ad ordered the important parts copied. all the employes could write rapidly, and some knew shorthand…

…Two translators were always on hand. All European languages could be read, and when a new one was needed, an official learned it. Armenian, for example, took one cabinet polyglot only a few months to learn, and he was paid the usual 500 florins for his new knowledge. After copying, he letters were replaced in their envelopes in their original order and the envelopes resealed, using forged seals to to impress the original wax. The letters were returned to the post office by 9:30 a.m.

…All told, the ten-man cabinet handled an average of between 80 and 90 letters a day.

Astonishingly, their nimble fingers hardly ever stuffed letters into the wrong packet, despite the speed with which they worked. In one of the few recorded blunders, an intercepted letter to the Duke of Modena was erroneously resealed with the closely similar signet of Parma. When the Duke noticed the substitution, he sent it to Parma with the wry note, “Not just me- you too”. Both states protested, but the Viennese greeted them with a blank stare, a shrug, and and a bland profession of ignorance.

Despite this, the existence of the black chamber was well known to the various delegates to the Austrian court, and was even tacitly acknowledged by the Austrians. When the British ambassador complained humorously that he was getting copies instead of his original correspondence (Ed. note- the originals were probably being tested for messages in invisible ink), the chancellor replied coolly, “How clumsy these people are!”

As for us “spying” on the EU, anyone who thinks the Gnomes in Brussels are on “our” side, or for that matter even on the side of anyone or anything in Europe other than their own ambitions, hasn’t been paying attention. If we weren’t keeping an eye on them, I’d want to know why not.

clear ether

eon

eon on July 1, 2013 at 10:54 AM

France Now Threatens:

French president threatens to block EU trade negotiations with the US amid bugging scandal – @BBCBreaking

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canopfor on July 1, 2013 at 11:00 AM

Mr Kerry confirmed on Monday that EU High Representative Catherine Ashton had raised the issue with him in a meeting with him in Brunei, where they are both attending a security conference, but gave no further details of their exchange. He said he had yet to see details of the newspaper allegations.

Two points here:

1. Its apparently status quo for the senior officials of the US to learn whats going on in the world by reading the newspaper.

2. I wonder how the windsurfing is in Brunei.

BobMbx on July 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM

canopfor on July 1, 2013 at 10:40 AM
LMAO! I remember that! How have you been?

Key West Reader on July 1, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Key West Reader:Sorry for the late response,

my good computer got fried,I’m working an
old unit,anyhow good,and you:)

canopfor on July 1, 2013 at 11:07 AM

I want to know when HotAir will give his latest
“Quote” a thread of it’s own??

ToddPA on July 1, 2013 at 9:57 AM

It didn’t even have a real thread on Egypt and the protests yesterday. I was providing the updates. The largest political demonstration in history should demand one.

BTW, I just KNOW there’s a Jon Huntman quote in your list!

是的,我们可以!

Resist We Much on July 1, 2013 at 11:07 AM

“Don’t just assume that folks come here and they’re automatically benefiting Africans. And that includes the United States.”

Wow. Just Wow! Obama must really be p.o.’d about Laura and George W. Bush next door in Zambia, actually personally building a cancer hospital.

coldwarrior on July 1, 2013 at 10:44 AM

You see, Americans are supposed to trust their government, especially when it is run by The Lightbringer, who possesses the Blessed Touch of Tolerance, Diversity, Understanding, Truth, and Reconciliation™ that can erase the past sins of the United States and those of gazillions of bigoted Americans, but Africans should not trust it.

It makes total Obama Sense™.

Resist We Much on July 1, 2013 at 11:15 AM

The EU threatened to cancel its trade agreement.

That might even be a good thing. It would stop the importation of failed european ideals.

nobar on July 1, 2013 at 11:17 AM

a revelation that serves no other real purpose than embarrassment.

You’re assuming Obama could feel embarrassed.

whatcat on July 1, 2013 at 11:18 AM

“Gentlemen do not read other gentlemen’s mail.”
– Henry Stimson

mojo on July 1, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Don’t we want our government spying on other governments? Just seems prudent to me. Why are the other countries even surprised by this? Not that they really are, but I’m just saying, isn’t this info just a given?

americanmama on July 1, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Don’t we want our government spying on other governments? Just seems prudent to me. Why are the other countries even surprised by this? Not that they really are, but I’m just saying, isn’t this info just a given?
americanmama on July 1, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Yup. I’m not sure how it’s a story that nations spy on each other. I think what might have the Euros POed is the notion that it’s citizens might have been spied on.

whatcat on July 1, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Wow… This government has evolved into a pretty scummy den of thieves.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on July 1, 2013 at 11:45 AM

But the hypocritical swine have secret deals with the NSA.

YOU cheered for obama, you got him.

If only you’d keep him.

Schadenfreude on July 1, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Sophie, especially for you, or anyone who’s interested…it’s amazing how well preserved the books are.

The British Library pays $14m for oldest European book
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/impact_asia/9714010.stm

Lindisfarne Gospels in rare exhibition in Durham
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23124647

Schadenfreude on July 1, 2013 at 12:01 PM

No translation but look at the big building in Vienna, in which tons of spying info on Europeans is collected.

Keep in mind that the UN has a huuuuuuge compound in Vienna, a fact not well known in the US.

The creeps of the world, the UN, the govts all spy on YOU. They are after the control of all the sheepleton of the world, so long as the few live lavishly. YOU have no freedoms/liberty left.

Snowden, no matter what he is, did YOU a big, big favor by exposing the sanctimony of the so-called free governments.

It’s all a big lie.

Work harder. They need more of your labor, so they can subjugate you more. Their true sheep need to be mislead, for votes, to keep them in eternal power. It doesn’t matter under which political party banner. They are all the same.

Schadenfreude on July 1, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Sorry, forgot the link.

Schadenfreude on July 1, 2013 at 12:05 PM

“Partners do not spy on each other,” said EU Justice Commissioner Viviane Reding.

Yeah, they do actually. It’s nothing new or revolutionary. We all spy on each other to some degree…Jonathan Pollard, anyone?

JetBoy on July 1, 2013 at 12:09 PM

…this ought to make 57′s face crack!

KOOLAID2 on July 1, 2013 at 12:31 PM

‘Spying on allies is not unusual.’

- John Kerry

Schadenfreude on July 1, 2013 at 12:34 PM

“Gentlemen do not read each others‘ mail.”
– Henry Stimson

mojo on July 1, 2013 at 11:20 AM

“Henry Stimson is an idiot.”

- Franklin D. Roosevelt.

Who, after Stimson closed down the “American Black Chamber” in the Hoover administration, authorized the U.S. Army and Navy to establish their own cryptanalytic bureaus without telling the State Department when he became President.

OP-20-G (Naval Intelligence) and SIGINT (Army G-2) went on to provide both sterling service in breaking and reading foreign codes and ciphers in the years leading up to WW 2, and during the war, and also to provide better security for U.S. diplomatic communications by transmitting same over their communications nets, in their codes and ciphers.

FDR had all communications from himself to ambassadors sent in this way, because he trusted neither State’s codes (the Larrabee and GRAY codes dated to before WW 1, and had been broken by practically everybody by 1933), or their security measures.

In one case in 1934, the new GRAY codebooks sent to the U.S. Embassy in Tokyo arrived with the seals on the containers broken, and two copies missing. The embassy staff did not see fit to mention this little detail to Washington for six months.

As Herbert O. Yardley, author of the book The American Black Chamber(1931) and the head of said State Department section from 1920 to 1929, and who lost his job when Stimson ordered it closed down, said;

After all, weren’t all diplomatic representatives just funny little characters on a stage, whispering, whispering, then yelling their secrets to the heavens as they put them on the cables?

In a word; yes. Things don’t seem to be much different today than when Yardley wrote those words eighty-two years ago.

clear ether

eon

eon on July 1, 2013 at 5:38 PM