Ecuador releases letter from Snowden threatening more leaks

posted at 6:22 pm on July 1, 2013 by Allahpundit

He says he may publish stuff that’s in “the public interest,” but that means basically anything and everything he has, right? By “public interest” I take it he means the global public interest, which includes whatever America’s doing to spy on other nations. Presumably he’d say that everything he’s leaked so far, be it the news of NSA hacking computers in China or intercepting Medvedev’s communications at the G20, meets the Edward Snowden definition of “public interest.” He’s a hero, and heroes are all about serving the public.

And even if he strays from his public service M.O., what do he and his supporters care? I keep making this point but it bears repeating because it’s a de facto license to wreak havoc: If you challenge a true-blue Snowden apologist on why he’s leaking stuff that has nothing to do with Americans’ civil liberties and everything to do with old-fashioned espionage between states, which tends to undermine their Greatest American Hero narrative, they reply that he’s just doing what he needs to do to survive. This is all the government’s fault for chasing him; now that the feds are all in, the Greatest American Hero has no choice but to rig some sort of intelligence doomsday device and give up all sorts of secrets if they finally grab him. I wonder how far he can go and retain his supporters’ admiration. If Russia extracts info on the names and locations of U.S. spies in the field from Snowden’s hard drives, even if it’s against his will, is all forgiven because the feds left him no choice but to flee to Putin’s fascist kingdom?

Glenn Greenwald thinks he’s an unvarnished hero, at least, and he’s the final moral authority, so that’s good enough for me.

“I remain free and able to publish information that serves the public interest,” Snowden said in an undated Spanish-language letter sent to President Rafael Correa of Ecuador, seen by Reuters.

“No matter how many more days my life contains, I remain dedicated to the fight for justice in this unequal world. If any of those days ahead realize a contribution to the common good, the world will have the principles of Ecuador to thank,” part of the text read, according to a translation…

“While the public has cried out support of my shining a light on this secret system of injustice, the Government of the United States of America responded with an extrajudicial man-hunt costing me my family, my freedom to travel, and my right to live peacefully without fear of illegal aggression,” he wrote.

Speaking of Greenwald, here’s his footnote to Snowden’s threat to leak more:

I didn’t say Snowden couldn’t leak more documents if he wanted to. Obviously, he can do so if he’s inclined. That’s obvious.

What I said is that he’s not doling out documents to us in drips & drabs. He gave us all the documents he provided to us weeks ago. That process is done. And we – not he – are the one deciding which of those gets published and which don’t, and in what order. That’s what this meant: “Snowden’s leak is basically done. It’s newspapers – not Snowden – deciding what gets disclosed and in what sequence.”

In other words, Snowden already dumped everything he’s inclined to share with the media on the Guardian and, presumably, WaPo awhile back. He can leak what he has before they publish it, but it’s all going to come out unless they hold it back, and why any newspaper would hold back sensitive documents “in the public interest” when they’ve already shown their willingness to publish is beyond me. That means either (a) Snowden’s threat to leak more stuff in today’s letter is basically idle, since he’s already effectively leaked everything, or (b) he intends to leak stuff that’s so sensitive that he chose not to share it with the media because even he concluded that it’d be too dangerous to publish. That’s where we’re at now in the Fight for Civil Liberties.

Update: Here’s the full letter, which, as one BuzzFeed editor says, is written in “fluent Assangese.” A sample:

On Thursday, President Obama declared before the world that he would not permit any diplomatic “wheeling and dealing” over my case. Yet now it is being reported that after promising not to do so, the President ordered his Vice President to pressure the leaders of nations from which I have requested protection to deny my asylum petitions.

This kind of deception from a world leader is not justice, and neither is the extralegal penalty of exile. These are the old, bad tools of political aggression. Their purpose is to frighten, not me, but those who would come after me.

He wasn’t “exiled,” he left. And the reason he left is because evidently he intended to leak things that go far, far beyond material like PRISM that might qualify for whistleblower treatment. As far as I can tell, this guy think his decision to lift reams of top-secret data off of NSA’s servers and then dole it out publicly to the world as he sees fit should be met with absolute legal impunity. As long as Snowden, with his imperfect knowledge of what does and doesn’t hurt the American public through disclosure, thinks it’s safe enough to be leaked, that’s good enough.

Update: Good catch by Politico’s Alex Burns. Maybe there’s a reason the Assangese here is so fluent:

The letter was first published on — ta da — the Wikileaks website. How much of a role is Julian Assange playing at this point?


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Says Pooty-Poot re: Snowden:

“If he wants to stay here, there is one condition: He must stop his work aimed at harming our American partners, as strange as that sounds coming from my lips,” he told reporters after a gas exporters’ conference in Moscow.

Akzed on July 1, 2013 at 6:27 PM

We`ll never be trusted again………… Until the world needs our money, weapons and troops. To which I`d say “……..Eh.”

ThePrez on July 1, 2013 at 6:28 PM

First obama wasn’t “gon’ scramble jets for a 29 years old”.

Then he pleaded with Putin “please, please, pretty please, help me save some faith”.

Then Putin “unde no conditions will we return Snowden to the US”.

Then Putin “but, only on the condition that Snowden quit riduculing our friends in the US”.

One can’t make such parodies up, under NO circumstances, and with any means.

Da, we can!!! — Russia

Ecuador and China too – obama killed the last shred of sanctimony, moral authority and decency from the US.

Schadenfreude on July 1, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Glenn Greenwald thinks he’s an unvarnished hero, at least, and he’s the final moral authority, so that’s good enough for me.

I sense the sarcasm…

So who is the final moral authority in America right now?

Obama? Biden? McCain? Boehner? Reid? Someone tell me who among our heroic leaders screams “moral authority”. Seriously is Snowden & Greenwald anymore trustworthy than Obama? That is all I am asking?

William Eaton on July 1, 2013 at 6:31 PM

If he is interested in the welfare of the citizens of the United States of American, release the relevant material–yesterday.

The rest, destroy.

That is, if he is a whistle-blower and not a traitor.

davidk on July 1, 2013 at 6:32 PM

That’s where we’re at now in the Fight for Civil Liberties.

…and the truth because most media are still consuming Beluga, er, in omama’s azz.

Schadenfreude on July 1, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Correct, Allah. The newspapers have everything, and they will print what they want to print when they feel the time is right. At this point, Snowden is just some fugitive on the run…

joejm65 on July 1, 2013 at 6:33 PM

So who is the final moral authority in America right now?

Obama? Biden? McCain? Boehner? Reid? Someone tell me who among our heroic leaders screams “moral authority”. Seriously is Snowden & Greenwald anymore trustworthy than Obama? That is all I am asking?

William Eaton on July 1, 2013 at 6:31 PM

The Supreme Court seems to be claiming that role.

davidk on July 1, 2013 at 6:34 PM

This video is painfully funny.

Schadenfreude on July 1, 2013 at 6:35 PM

first of all, we don’t know what he has. Second, barry vacillates between the worst crime in human history to ‘not my job’ to get him back.

i’m tired of the agitprop and political theater. there are a lot of bad actors that showboat their way across the media stage….stage right to stage Left with feeling.

and when you consider the travesty of the zimmerman case and the copt film-maker…well, barry is happy to crack a few eggs to make an omelet

r keller on July 1, 2013 at 6:35 PM

davidk on July 1, 2013 at 6:32 PM

That is easy for us to say living in comfort. It is not so easy to say when you are a marked man with a Chicago thug wanting to have a “talk with you on a boat ride”.

William Eaton on July 1, 2013 at 6:35 PM

Sorry, forgot the link.

Schadenfreude on July 1, 2013 at 6:35 PM

I wonder why Snowden is being doubted. He made his moves, at a time and place of his own choosing. Every indication was he prepared for months, was methodical, and has delivered. Dozens of companies caught up in the 4th Amendment lie. Bureaucrats preaching of ‘the damage to the nation.’

I suspect snowden is not done. It would be irrational for someone to spend all the time he has and not have more options for delivery. He is more likely waiting for those on top to trap themselves more deeply in the lies first.

HopeHeFails on July 1, 2013 at 6:36 PM

The Supreme Court seems to be claiming that role.

davidk on July 1, 2013 at 6:34 PM

Well…let them catch him and decide…that should be funny…

William Eaton on July 1, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Honey, Snowden shrank Obama

Schadenfreude on July 1, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Superb…from the headlines

When a balloon is full of hot air (no website reference), it looks substantial.
However, over time, as the balloon loses air and cools, it becomes smaller.

And Obama was one of the biggest sources of hot air in politics.

ProfShadow on July 1, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Schadenfreude on July 1, 2013 at 6:40 PM

and here is snowden’s new press release

http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/2013/07/01/edward-snowden-just-issued-this-statement/

In the end the Obama administration is not afraid of whistleblowers like me, Bradley Manning or Thomas Drake. We are stateless, imprisoned, or powerless. No, the Obama administration is afraid of you. It is afraid of an informed, angry public demanding the constitutional government it was promised — and it should be.

r keller on July 1, 2013 at 6:40 PM

So who is the final moral authority in America right now?

Obama? Biden? McCain? Boehner? Reid? Someone tell me who among our heroic leaders screams “moral authority”. Seriously is Snowden & Greenwald anymore trustworthy than Obama? That is all I am asking?

William Eaton on July 1, 2013 at 6:31 PM

Exactly.

Should we trust in the faceless men who run the NSA, or our Glorious Leader in the White House? These guys have burned their credibility to the ground.

sharrukin on July 1, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Lots of new updates and pics from Egypt.

Resist We Much on July 1, 2013 at 6:43 PM

I wish people wouldn’t post off-topic links to other websites.

bluegill on July 1, 2013 at 6:52 PM

So, are we ready to admit yet that Snowden is a traitor, whether or not he meets the legal definition?

Are are we still clinging to the “hero” title?

There Goes the Neighborhood on July 1, 2013 at 6:54 PM

So who is the final moral authority in America right now?

Obama? Biden? McCain? Boehner? Reid? Someone tell me who among our heroic leaders screams “moral authority”. Seriously is Snowden & Greenwald anymore trustworthy than Obama? That is all I am asking?

William Eaton on July 1, 2013 at 6:31 PM

No one sane trusts this

Snowden didn’t shrink eunuch obama – he exposed him to the point where not even the media in his azz can hide the stench.

Schadenfreude on July 1, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Search for NSA domestic spying and set a custom date range from anytime between 2002 and 20012.

Snowden didn’t divulge anything the lame streamers weren’t already doing for years.

Akzed on July 1, 2013 at 6:54 PM

I wish people wouldn’t post off-topic links to other websites.

bluegill on July 1, 2013 at 6:52 PM

It’s very important. It pertains to the topic – it’s all about freedom, the world over.

I compliment you on the Rubio threads. You’d be better served if you were as sane on the others.

Freedom and liberty are always on topic!

Schadenfreude on July 1, 2013 at 6:55 PM

It’s still not about him. It’s still about our government and exactly what it is doing with the information that it is capturing and storing? I know the State Run Media doesn’t want it to be about their hero…Dear Leader.

d1carter on July 1, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Is there any proof that Snowden’s in Russia?

I mean, what are we accepting as proof of anything these days?

Akzed on July 1, 2013 at 6:59 PM

This story just proves that many HotAir commenters can be made to cheer any anti-American traitor, no matter how much he has damaged this country and made us less safe, if you tell them that it hurts Obama.

I’m actually embarrassed for some of you who call yourselves conservatives. Many of you have jumped on the Code Pink/Michael Moore bandwagon and have snuggled up with America-haters like Greenwald, Assange, Snowden and Manning because you are cheap partisan hacks who hope the story will do serious, long-term damage to Obama, which it won’t.

The truth is that Snowden, whose intent is to aid America’s adversaries and do all he can to hurt the US, is a vile traitor who ought to be captured and punished to the fullest extent of the law.

bluegill on July 1, 2013 at 6:59 PM

What triggered the need for the huge data storage facility in Utah?

d1carter on July 1, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Presumably he’d say that everything he’s leaked so far, be it the news of NSA hacking computers in China or intercepting Medvedev’s communications at the G20, meets the Edward Snowden definition of “public interest.”

Well I’m certain he’s losing sleep over the fact that it apparently doesn’t meet the Allahpundit definition.

thirtyandseven on July 1, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Schadenfreude on July 1, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Ok, it just felt like people wanted to change the subject away from Snowden, whom some conservatives sadly sanctified, now that he is really starting to look bad.

bluegill on July 1, 2013 at 7:01 PM

I don’t expect Snowden to live a very long life…but the NSA and our government is going to be here a long time.

d1carter on July 1, 2013 at 7:02 PM

The truth is that Snowden, whose intent is to aid America’s adversaries and do all he can to hurt the US, is a vile traitor who ought to be captured and punished to the fullest extent of the law.

bluegill on July 1, 2013 at 6:59 PM

If that had been his intent, why didn’t he just cut to the chase and go straight to Putin or Beijing with the information he had? Wouldn’t it have been more damaging for him to have revealed what he knew to those foreign adversaries secretly and allowed them to do whatever they wanted to with the information — perhaps string the U.S. intelligence agencies along with false leads and misinformation for months, if not years? Why did he instead go to the Guardian?

cynccook on July 1, 2013 at 7:04 PM

More popcorn please.
III

dirtengineer on July 1, 2013 at 7:06 PM

bluegill on July 1, 2013 at 6:52 PM

I wish that you would ESAD, trashfish, but we don’t always get what we want.

Resist We Much on July 1, 2013 at 7:08 PM

davidk on July 1, 2013 at 6:32 PM

That is easy for us to say living in comfort. It is not so easy to say when you are a marked man with a Chicago thug wanting to have a “talk with you on a boat ride”.

William Eaton on July 1, 2013 at 6:35 PM

You are correct. But if you can’t run with the big dogs stay on the porch.

Is he serious about his commitment to liberty? Everyone who has been sworn into the military has left the armchair and placed his/her life potentially in harms way.

I have been a defender of Snowden, but it is time for him to reveal his true motivations.

davidk on July 1, 2013 at 7:09 PM

Going to Russia was just too stupid. How could an intelligent person make such a colossal mistake?

ROCnPhilly on July 1, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Snowden went too far and is now a traitor. Greenwald would have served Snowden better if he had advised him to stick to domestic spying. But Greenwald and , now probably Snowden, are world court utopians. Like communists but mushier. SO NOW WHAT?

The revelations about the NSA will become front page again in the 2014 and 2016 election seasons when everyone with 1/2 a brain cell figures out that they can’t trust the political process because of revelations ,from a year prior. HA and TH’s encouragement ,to discount the revelations of NSA’s superpowers, in favour of a 2minute hate against this character, Snowden, is impotent propaganda.

THe NSA revelations can’t go away. They have undermined our faith in the democratic process no matter how much we yell at a video of Snowden. No matter how many security hawks like AP and Ed insist that the so called Snowden Worshipers(where?) are polluting the conversation.

When 1/2 the electorate storms the internet in ALL CAPS NEXT YEAR SHOUTING ABOUT HOW THE PROCESS IS RIGGED , with the NSA revelations to back them up, then what? Is HA going to show them a picture of Snowden? Tell them that it’s Snowden’s fault that we can’t trust the courts, politicians and press because we don’t know if they’ve been influenced by this all-knowing , unelected, extra judicial branch of the government not covered under any interpretation of our constitution?

BoxHead1 on July 1, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Going to Russia was just too stupid. How could an intelligent person make such a colossal mistake?

ROCnPhilly on July 1, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Where should he have gone?

sharrukin on July 1, 2013 at 7:15 PM

It hardly matters whether Snowden is a hero or not; he’s a human being. Far from perfect, just like all the other human beings comprising the NSA and CIA and all the other oversized bureaucracies we are afflicted with. If he can leak these things, and access these things, others can and will. It is naive to think that secrets remain secret forever. All of your personal phone calls, all your emails, all the eavesdropping will come out eventually. It may not be for decades, but it will come out. The problem is that it is recorded in the first place, without even having to do the hard work of spying.

Fenris on July 1, 2013 at 7:16 PM

So self-styled ‘whistleblowers’ like Assange and now Snowden go too far when they reveal too much of the grimy underpinnings of our government, right? They jeopardize national security? Okay, so someone please explain to me how all this secretive spy vs spy garbage has made the world safer, more stable and more peaceful over the last 10 years. I’ll just wait here and make myself a cup of tea, ‘kay?

cynccook on July 1, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Going to Russia was just too stupid. How could an intelligent person make such a colossal mistake? ROCnPhilly on July 1, 2013 at 7:12 PM

What makes you think he’s in Russia?

Akzed on July 1, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Snowden went too far and is now a traitor. BoxHead1 on July 1, 2013 at 7:12 PM

What did he reveal that wasn’t already basically common knowledge?

Akzed on July 1, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Wrong link.

But it’s a good one too.

Akzed on July 1, 2013 at 7:20 PM

So, our government can’t protect us from these ruthless traitors…why can’t they capture this guy and bring him to justice? How are they safeguarding the vast amount of data they have on each American?

d1carter on July 1, 2013 at 7:20 PM

The letter was first published on — ta da — the Wikileaks website. How much of a role is Julian Assange playing at this point?

He who has as his personal goal the total destruction of American government is the puppetmaster tieing together Snowden and Bradley.

Steve Eggleston on July 1, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Snowden went too far and is now a traitor. BoxHead1 on July 1, 2013 at 7:12 PM

What did he reveal that wasn’t already basically common knowledge?

Akzed on July 1, 2013 at 7:19 PM

I don’t know but it was on of his “revelations” so he must of thought it was something important. I hope we are hacking communist China and I hope we started it.

BoxHead1 on July 1, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Where should he have gone?

sharrukin on July 1, 2013 at 7:15 PM

Someplace where the leader of the country isn’t a former member of the world’s most notorious goon squad? So… Anywhere else, basically.

ROCnPhilly on July 1, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Why did he instead go to the Guardian?

cynccook on July 1, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Why are you pretending to ever have treated the Guardian as a vaunted source? Here’s an easy exercise to prove the point.

Replace Glenn Greenwald with Andrew Sullivan. If AS had broken this story you poisoned-partisans would have dropped every gay-hate slur and anti-American bash on the guy as possible. You would have rejected Snowden and Sullivan as criminals and traitors.

Bluegill has you phonies pegged.

Capitalist Hog on July 1, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Snowden went too far and is now a traitor. BoxHead1 on July 1, 2013 at 7:12 PM

What did he reveal that wasn’t already basically common knowledge? Akzed on July 1, 2013 at 7:19 PM

I don’t know BoxHead1 on July 1, 2013 at 7:26 PM

“…but let’s string him up anyhow!!!”

Akzed on July 1, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Anybody who thinks Snowden is a hero is a moron, a fool, or an enemy of the United States. He has single-handedly destroyed America’s greatest intelligence assets and left us blind in a very dangerous world. He has made it impossible to prevail in a cyberwar against even a third-rate power like Iran, much less China. Everything he has done has likely hastened the total destruction of U.S. intelligence networks. Congress should require the NSA to fire all contractors immediately. Snowden is a traitor. He deserves nothing less than a long drop on a short rope. But that won’t happen. But maybe, just maybe he’ll end up with asylum in Russia and spend the rest of his life in a frigid apartment in Moscow. That will be a harsh punishment when he realizes he traded the good life in Hawaii for Russian winters.

fleiter on July 1, 2013 at 7:35 PM

I keep making this point but it bears repeating because it’s a de facto license to wreak havoc

Well you can keep on making it and repeating it all you want, but a far more important point, and I am quite certain the Founding Fathers would concur with me and not you, is that Obama’s N-Stasi-A, along with a lot of his other tentacles like the I-Revenge-S are already wreaking tyranny against the American people, and it looks like they have extended their claws.

VorDaj on July 1, 2013 at 7:36 PM

What an intellectually weak post! The traitors are sitting in the White House, NSA, IRS, FBI, CIA, EPA, etc, yet you dump on Snowden for revealing that the depth of American spying on her allies is at cold war levels or higher. Sure, MI5 and CSIS are bugging Congress and top US officials….NOT! The US has gone rogue on its allies. Since when has Germany become categorized at the same relationship level as China? America is treating its allies like enemies and they should be outraged.

Sparky5253 on July 1, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Why are you pretending to ever have treated the Guardian as a vaunted source? Here’s an easy exercise to prove the point.

Replace Glenn Greenwald with Andrew Sullivan. If AS had broken this story you poisoned-partisans would have dropped every gay-hate slur and anti-American bash on the guy as possible. You would have rejected Snowden and Sullivan as criminals and traitors.

Bluegill has you phonies pegged.

Capitalist Hog on July 1, 2013 at 7:30 PM

LOL When have I ever characterized the Guardian as anything? If Andrew Sullivan had broken this story I would have thought: Wow. Second Look at Andrew Sullivan? But hey, don’t let me interrupt your unhinged, hateful ramblings, you were on a real roll.

cynccook on July 1, 2013 at 7:37 PM

Someplace where the leader of the country isn’t a former member of the world’s most notorious goon squad? So… Anywhere else, basically.

ROCnPhilly on July 1, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Hong Kong? OMG, he’s a traitor and a Chinese spy!
Ecuador? OMG, he’s supporting a socialist thug!
Russia? OMG, he’s a Russian spy!

When you are running from the security forces of a superpower you don’t have many options left. If you want to live you have to go somewhere that isn’t friendly to that superpower. If they are friendly to that superpower, they will do the friendly thing and hand you over to them.

sharrukin on July 1, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Allahpundit certainly has spirit, as do some others here who are in agreement with him, unfortunately it’s not the spirit of the Founding Fathers, nor anything like it.

VorDaj on July 1, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Anybody who thinks Snowden is a hero is a moron, a fool, or an enemy of the United States. fleiter on July 1, 2013 at 7:35 PM

So the only options are hero or criminal?

What did he reveal that wasn’t already pretty much common knowledge?

Why bother “revealing” what has been reported on for years?

Maybe as a means to an end.

Maybe to get morons and fools to shout down anyone who thinks there’s another possibility.

Akzed on July 1, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Snowden went too far and is now a traitor. BoxHead1 on July 1, 2013 at 7:12 PM

What did he reveal that wasn’t already basically common knowledge? Akzed on July 1, 2013 at 7:19 PM

I don’t know BoxHead1 on July 1, 2013 at 7:26 PM****

“…but let’s string him up anyhow!!!”

Akzed on July 1, 2013 at 7:32 PM

This is what I wrote

I don’t know but it was on of his “revelations” so he must of thought it was something important.
BoxHead1 on July 1, 2013 at 7:26 PM

You should put a “…” or some marker in when you cut and paste part of a post.

I think he should have his day in court. He’s a traitor but he is also a hero because we needed to know about the NSA and no one else was going to tell us. I think that his pro America motives are honourable and his pro-UN/world-court motives are traitorous.

BoxHead1 on July 1, 2013 at 7:42 PM

I do not get the anti-Snowden mentality of Hotair.com and even Breitbart.com. If you are for protecting the Constitution and a limited government then you support Snowden.

ModerateMan on July 1, 2013 at 7:45 PM

BoxHead1 on July 1, 2013 at 7:42 PM

He thought is was important? So this kid was able to stump the world’s greatest surveillance culture, copying ubertopsecret stuff to a flash drive, leave the country with it undetected, etc, and dominate the news for weeks, all on his own…?

Snowden went too far and is now a traitor. BoxHead1 on July 1, 2013 at 7:12 PM

What did he reveal that wasn’t already basically common knowledge? Akzed on July 1, 2013 at 7:19 PM

I don’t know BoxHead1 on July 1, 2013 at 7:26 PM****

“…but let’s string him up anyhow!!!”

Akzed on July 1, 2013 at 7:32 PM

I think that pretty much sums up your “thought” process.

Akzed on July 1, 2013 at 7:46 PM

America is treating its allies like enemies and they should be outraged.

Sparky5253 on July 1, 2013 at 7:36 PM

And, under Obama, American is treating it’s own people as even bigger enemies and they should be even more outraged.

VorDaj on July 1, 2013 at 7:47 PM

And, under Obama, American is treating it’s own people as even bigger enemies and they should be even more outraged. VorDaj on July 1, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Me thinks we ain’t seen nothing yet.

Akzed on July 1, 2013 at 7:49 PM

I do not get the anti-Snowden mentality of Hotair.com and even Breitbart.com. If you are for protecting the Constitution and a limited government then you support Snowden.

ModerateMan on July 1, 2013 at 7:45 PM

They hear the magic words – “National Security” and they become impervious to all else and turn into a form of Borg Sheeple.

VorDaj on July 1, 2013 at 7:50 PM

This has been bandied about quite a bit lately but in my opinion it bears repeating: They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Just how much of our liberty are we expected to give up for all this temporary security? And doesn’t it kind of depend upon the motives of those we’re ceding it to? Sorry, but I’m just not buying it. The truth is that today, in July of 2013, the world is in just as much turmoil as it has ever been. People in this country are less free than they have ever been but are we really safer? Gun sales keep shattering record after record, they can’t keep ammo on the shelves…Our enemies are richer, more zealous and ever more deadset on our destruction and are intent on acquiring the tools to accomplish it, but I’m supposed to believe that we should just let this government do whatever it wants in order to protect us?!?

cynccook on July 1, 2013 at 7:50 PM

And, under Obama, American is treating it’s own people as even bigger enemies and they should be even more outraged.

Exactly!

Sparky5253 on July 1, 2013 at 7:50 PM

I do not get the anti-Snowden mentality of Hotair.com and even Breitbart.com. If you are for protecting the Constitution and a limited government then you support Snowden.

ModerateMan on July 1, 2013 at 7:45 PM

They hear the magic words – “National Security” and they become impervious to all else and turn into a form of Borg Sheeple.

VorDaj on July 1, 2013 at 7:50 PM

+1

thirtyandseven on July 1, 2013 at 7:57 PM

I think that pretty much sums up your “thought” process.

Akzed on July 1, 2013 at 7:46 PM

I don’t know what CHina and Russia knew or had confirmed. You don’t either. Also, I’m not against state secrets in matters of spy craft as long as the target is an enemy.

But Snowden revealed it with intent to damage. Since he was in the biz then I’ll assume that his revelation had some worth.

Your stupid insult has got me attacking Snowden which wasn’t my original intent. My first post was clear that I thought Snowden, the man, is a squirrel, and that the NSA has is the real evil. Anyone who knew, including the heads of the Facebook,google etc , the FISA courts and the politicians are also traitors and should see a day in court.

BoxHead1 on July 1, 2013 at 7:58 PM

I’m supposed to believe that we should just let this government do whatever it wants in order to protect us?!?

cynccook on July 1, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Worse they ignored the Russian warning about Tsarnaev, didn’t use their NSA search abilities to investigate his online surfing of Al-Qaeda websites, or his online contacts with extremists. They have a hands off policy to mosques, but the solution is to watch everyone?

I mean how the hell do you go to an Al-Qaeda website researching how to make a bomb, and not get the NSA alerted?

It isn’t about keeping anyone safe, it’s about power. If it was about safety they would have acted, and they wouldn’t be ignoring the group responsible for most of the terrorism.

sharrukin on July 1, 2013 at 7:58 PM

Posters with their panties in wads about Snowden either haven’t heard of things like this and this, and this, and this, or don’t believe it, or are logged on to govt computers.

Akzed on July 1, 2013 at 7:58 PM

Your stupid insult has got me attacking Snowden which wasn’t my original intent. BoxHead1 on July 1, 2013 at 7:58 PM

So people can make you do stuff you don’t want to do…?

Huh.

Akzed on July 1, 2013 at 8:00 PM

When you are running from the security forces of a superpower you don’t have many options left. If you want to live you have to go somewhere that isn’t friendly to that superpower. If they are friendly to that superpower, they will do the friendly thing and hand you over to them.

sharrukin on July 1, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Again. Anyplace. But. Russia.

He could probably apply for citizenship in Germany now that the German people know that America has been working to spy on them.

He should have just hidden in a Boston mosque. He could email, ftp, etc with total anonymity.

ROCnPhilly on July 1, 2013 at 8:01 PM

He could probably apply for citizenship in Germany now that the German people know that America has been working to spy on them.

He would have been handed over in a heartbeat.

He should have just hidden in a Boston mosque. He could email, ftp, etc with total anonymity.

ROCnPhilly on July 1, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Why would they hide him? They have nothing to fear from the NSA.

sharrukin on July 1, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Lots of new updates and pics from Egypt.

Resist We Much on July 1, 2013 at 6:43 PM

I wish people wouldn’t post off-topic links to other websites….UNLESS!!!…I CONDONE IT!

blueball on July 1, 2013 at 6:52 PM

…fify!

KOOLAID2 on July 1, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Your stupid insult has got me attacking Snowden which wasn’t my original intent. BoxHead1 on July 1, 2013 at 7:58 PM

So people can make you do stuff you don’t want to do…?

Huh.

Akzed on July 1, 2013 at 8:00 PM

I’m not sure what you are after here. But if you really want to discuss the METADATA of this “argument” then fine.

Yes, when someone responds to me with a stupid insult I feel compelled to respond to the stupid insult. But only a few times. I think we should avoid each other.

BoxHead1 on July 1, 2013 at 8:09 PM

but I’m supposed to believe that we should just let this government do whatever it wants in order to protect us?!?

cynccook on July 1, 2013 at 7:50 PM

That’s the general idea. Now, look into my eyes … you are getting very sleepy … and very compliment. When you awake you will feel an immense need for our wonderful government, which only wants the best for you, to do anything they see fit, no mater what, as they know best, to protect you and your children.

VorDaj on July 1, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Before Snowden goes down I want him to reveal the truth about the Muslim terrorist cell in the White House, the CIA, the DOJ, the state department, and Obama’s past history, and his records! That would prove him to be an American hero!

Marco on July 1, 2013 at 8:17 PM

A contract traitor outs the government’s 4th Amendment-destroying traitors and flees into the arms of our enemies.

They all suck.

May the whole cabal of thieves, thugs and fools end up in hell.

profitsbeard on July 1, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Again. Anyplace. But. Russia.

Is that why the NSA is bugging EU offices in Brussels, and categorizing Germany the same as China for spying on? Little by little by the USA is becoming just another international bully instead of a force for freedom … but hey, go ahead and treat it all just like some sort of team sport … red versus blue … raw raw raw.

Let’s look at who America is internationally today:
- She left Iraq to fend for herself
- She is actively supporting Muslim supremacist organizations the world over
- She spies on her best friends with cold war intensity
- She spies extensively on her own people
- She sends clowns like John Kerry and Hildabeast around the world to lecture other nations and make foolish bumbling statements
- She forsakes her allies the moment it’s “inconvenient”
- She constantly breaches NAFTA agreements with Canada, then when she loses all her appeals, she just goes ahead and ignores the treaty
- Her banking system was instrumental in bringing about the collapse of world financial systems
- She uses government bureaucracy to persecute political opposition at home
- She is now ahead of Europe in far-left policy
- She can’t even stem the biggest flood of illegal drugs and aliens to ever assault any nation in history.

Sure, she has an outstanding military and freedom loving population; but the world sees less and less of that … and between Snowden and multiple scandals sweeping the USA, Putin the KGB thug is looking less and less thuggish.

Sparky5253 on July 1, 2013 at 8:27 PM

When are these hackers and leakers going to do us a real public service and leak Obama’s Columbia University transcripts?

Incandescent on July 1, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Just as a friendly reminder – the enemy of your class enemy is not necessarily your friend.

Steve Eggleston on July 1, 2013 at 8:46 PM

He should have just hidden in a Boston mosque. He could email, ftp, etc with total anonymity.

ROCnPhilly on July 1, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Why would they hide him? They have nothing to fear from the NSA.

sharrukin on July 1, 2013 at 8:04 PM

the opposite of a true statement is a false statement, however sometimes the opposite of a profound statement is another profound statement. – Somebody or other

VorDaj on July 1, 2013 at 8:50 PM

I wish people wouldn’t post off-topic links to other websites.

bluegill on July 1, 2013 at 6:52 PM

I wish people would tip their waiters.

John the Libertarian on July 1, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Putin the KGB thug is looking less and less thuggish.

Sparky5253 on July 1, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Yeah, but personally, I’d want to stay out of Putin’s hands, because he might think he could squeeze me for more info with “not waterboarding”.

ROCnPhilly on July 1, 2013 at 9:05 PM

That’s the general idea. Now, look into my eyes … you are getting very sleepy … and very compliment. When you awake you will feel an immense need for our wonderful government, which only wants the best for you, to do anything they see fit, no mater what, as they know best, to protect you and your children.

VorDaj on July 1, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Yessss…..and where are the coooookies? I’m pretty sure I was promised cooooookies….

cynccook on July 1, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Yeah, but personally, I’d want to stay out of Putin’s hands, because he might think he could squeeze me for more info with “not waterboarding”.

ROCnPhilly on July 1, 2013 at 9:05 PM

First Gerard “Only Zee Leetle People Pay 95% in Taxes” Depardieu now Eddie “Sticky Fingers” Snowden. Before he knows it, Putin is going to have everywhere disgruntled runaway and dissident in the world clamoring for asylum. He may yet live to regret it.

cynccook on July 1, 2013 at 9:12 PM

One idiot 29 year old having access to all this crap????

Heads should roll.
Why is Obama in Africa spending a 100 million dollars when so much is going on at home, Egypt and Syria.
May we ask him to just give us a break and stay there?

losarkos on July 1, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Before Snowden goes down I want him to reveal the truth about the Muslim terrorist cell in the White House, the CIA, the DOJ, the state department, and Obama’s past history, and his records! That would prove him to be an American hero!

Marco on July 1, 2013 at 8:17 PM

I think the current bar for heroism is allowing your sick Narcissistic self-adulation to lead you to leaking info that gets soldiers killed, but I’ll have to confirm that with the White House.

ROCnPhilly on July 1, 2013 at 9:24 PM

I have to ask. If Snowden is the traitor then who is the enemy?

mpthompson on July 1, 2013 at 9:26 PM

I have to ask. If Snowden is the traitor then who is the enemy?

mpthompson on July 1, 2013 at 9:26 PM

That kind of thinking will earn you a trip to Camp Pleasant Dreams.

ROCnPhilly on July 1, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Lots of new updates and pics from Egypt.

Resist We Much on July 1, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Thanks for the rundown on the Protests and the various factions & the updates. Appreciate your comments also, that helps a lot.

bluefox on July 1, 2013 at 9:39 PM

So who is the final moral authority in America right now?

Obama? Biden? McCain? Boehner? Reid? Someone tell me who among our heroic leaders screams “moral authority”. Seriously is Snowden & Greenwald anymore trustworthy than Obama? That is all I am asking?

William Eaton on July 1, 2013 at 6:31 PM

Bwahahahahahahaha

Obama et al heroic?

Bwahahahahahaha

Moral?

RoFlMmFaO

donabernathy on July 1, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Hail the conquering zero.

thebrokenrattle on July 1, 2013 at 11:01 PM

I’m actually embarrassed for some of you who call yourselves conservatives.

And I am embarrassed that every conservative does not see the danger here: The issue is not the moral intrusion, but they power those records give the government. This is the risk of unlimited power to intimidate, coerce and blackmail, and such power is guaranteed to corrupt. Politicians cannot resist it, and they cannot protect it from others.

Conservatism is not about a return to the politics of 50 years ago, or even 20 years ago. Conservatism is about limiting the power of the government against the people. This system endangers us all.

PseudoRandom on July 1, 2013 at 11:13 PM

Rarely post here, but have got to say something about bluegill… STFU! Anyone who’s taken a step around the orange juice can knows you’re a spineless lib with a sweater woven of wet ramen noodles. Go play in traffic.

ahlaphus on July 1, 2013 at 11:31 PM

ROCnPhilly on July 1, 2013 at 7:30 PM

You might want to reevaluate your hierarchy of villains because the NSA is more of a danger to average Americans than Putin ever was.

iwasbornwithit on July 1, 2013 at 11:52 PM

LOL When have I ever characterized the Guardian as anything? If Andrew Sullivan had broken this story I would have thought: Wow. Second Look at Andrew Sullivan? But hey, don’t let me interrupt your unhinged, hateful ramblings, you were on a real roll.

cynccook on July 1, 2013 at 7:37 PM

It is always a pig and wrong.

Schadenfreude on July 2, 2013 at 2:05 AM