Prop 8 supporters move for emergency stay

posted at 11:01 am on June 30, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

And here you thought that whole Proposition 8 story was done and gone, right? It might be, but there’s apparently still a little gas left in the tank. In the wake of last week’s Supreme Court decision on California’s traditional marriage amendment, proponents have requested an emergency stay which would block gay marriages from taking place while some last bits of paperwork are wrapped up. This update comes from SCOTUSblog.

Attorneys for the parties who sought to defend Proposition 8 in federal court have filed an emergency motion in the Supreme Court seeking to block same-sex marriages from proceeding in California. The filing (via Jess Bravin) is available here.

The application was submitted to Justice Kennedy, who is the Circuit Justice with responsibility for the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Its theory is straightforward. Same-sex marriage in California had been blocked by a stay imposed by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals on federal judge Vaughn Walker’s ruling that Proposition 8 is unconstitutional. That stay, the court of appeals had stated, would “continue until final disposition by the Supreme Court.”

Tom Goldstein has a good layman’s explanation of what’s going on here at the link above. It does sound fairly straight forward, though what long term impact – if any – it might have is in question. On the day that the Supreme Court announces a judgement, as they did in this case on June 26th, it isn’t technically “final.” The high court generally won’t release their final, binding judgement for another 25 days after the announcement, and according to the applicants, that means that the current stay on the issuance of wedding licenses to same sex couples should remain in place until that binding judgement is on the books.

Doug Mataconis has a bit more on it, explaining how it falls into Justice Kennedy’s lap to deal with this, even though he voted against the majority in this case.

Indeed, even though Justice Kennedy was in the minority in the Hollingsworth case, he’s not going to handle this matter any differently than if it had gone to Chief Justice Roberts, who wrote the majority opinion in that case.

Each Supreme Court Justice is assigned a Judicial Circuit for which they are responsible for dealing with motions and other matters when they arise out of cases pending there, most commonly this is seen in death penalty cases but it arises in other cases as well from time to time. Since their are 9 Justices and 11 Circuits, the least senior Justice, currently Elena Kagan, is given responsibility for matters arising out of two Circuits. Justice Kennedy has had responsibility for the 9th Circuit for the balance of his time on the Court.

There seems to be some question as to whether Kennedy will even consider taking any action on this. It looks like the applicants certainly have the law on their side in terms of not lifting the ban until the ruling is official, but to what purpose? In their filing, they point out that the stay was lifted and licenses were being issued this weekend before they had ever had a chance to respond. That much is clearly true, but generally such time is needed so that the losing side can file appeals or take whatever “the next step” of the process is.

The Supreme Court has ruled on this specific request – not on Proposition 8 itself, but on the standing of the plaintiffs – and there is no further appeal for this particular line of attack. Asking Kennedy to force the state to hold off until July 22nd – the expected date of the official judgement – with no possibility of additional action the meantime, will probably just come off as being churlish at this point. If this battle is to continue it’s going to need to start over with a fresh case, or at least different plaintiffs. With that in mind, I’ll be surprised if Kennedy decides to take this question up and put another three week delay on California.


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Ignore the will of the people…

OmahaConservative on June 30, 2013 at 11:07 AM

Do some limit, for goodness’ sakes.

They keep messing with the definition of marriage and I will never be able to watch Tommy and Lassie like I used to.

IlikedAUH2O on June 30, 2013 at 11:07 AM

Presiding Judge Richard Simmons immediately quashed the request and immediately ordered all present to purchase a copy of his new DVD:

“Sweating with the Supremes”

/S

viking01 on June 30, 2013 at 11:13 AM

They keep messing with the definition of marriage and I will never be able to watch Tommy and Lassie like I used to.

IlikedAUH2O on June 30, 2013 at 11:07 AM

Or Mr. Ed and Willllburrrrrr….

viking01 on June 30, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Doug Mataconis has a bit more…

Instant ignore.

tetriskid on June 30, 2013 at 11:23 AM

If it’s good for Wendy Davis to stand up and filibuster for her constituency’s rights than it’s just as right for us to do the same.

Skywise on June 30, 2013 at 11:24 AM

No, what’s really going on here is that these Petitioners intend to file a petition for rehearing–i.e., to ask the Supreme Court to reconsider the decision. They want the stay to remain in place so that when they file their petition for rehearing, the stay remains in effect while the Court considers the petition.

It’s a valid litigation strategy. However, I really think it’s pointless. Do these people really think the Court is going to change its mind? It’s not like the standing issue wasn’t fully briefed and argued the first time around.

Outlander on June 30, 2013 at 11:24 AM

They may also be looking for a new plaintiff with standing. Don’t know who it could be – maybe a county clerk in one of the few conservative counties?

Wethal on June 30, 2013 at 11:32 AM

The truth is like a lion. You don’t have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself.

~ St. Augustine

When Gays sue the Churches to try and force them to perform their marriages which is next in California’s future…this issue will again be in front of the Court.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Good luck with Kennedy…. He who wrote the decision that opened Pandoras box. Remember, anyone who is for “traditional” marriage according to him is hateful and vicious….

sandee on June 30, 2013 at 11:36 AM

So polygamy is in? Supreme Courts says can’t discriminate against a group of people in marriage…

albill on June 30, 2013 at 11:42 AM

So polygamy is in? Supreme Courts says can’t discriminate against a group of people in marriage…

albill on June 30, 2013 at 11:42 AM

In civil marriages…likely Yes.

The next battle will be in Churches who refuse to perform Matrimonial Ceremonies for Gays and preach and teach traditional morality as part of their liturgy.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 11:46 AM

So polygamy is in? Supreme Courts says can’t discriminate against a group of people in marriage…

albill on June 30, 2013 at 11:42 AM

In civil marriages…likely Yes.

The next battle will be in Churches who refuse to perform Matrimonial Ceremonies for Gays and preach and teach traditional morality as part of their liturgy.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 11:46 AM

They’re already trying to silence conservative believers in the military. The GOP put religious freedom in the defense bill, IIRC, and Obama has threatened to veto it because of this provision.

And Hosanna-Tabor showed how they want to get the EEOC into every religiously affiliated employment site.

Wethal on June 30, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Speaking of Tactics…

Ya’ll remember the White Privilege Meme…

The New Hotness is Christian Privilege…

“”Some people think it’s an attack simply by us exerting our existence. They put a monument on a public lawn that, if you put it in context, says atheists should be killed,” Silverman said. “It is an attack, but it’s an attack on Christian privilege, not an attack on Christians themselves, and not so much an attack on Christianity.”

http://news.yahoo.com/atheists-unveil-fla-monument-near-ten-commandments-195201537.html

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 11:53 AM

The only possible reason for requesting this relief is to delay California homosexuals from marrying the ones they love for another few weeks. Which, funnily, seems to confirm (once again) that Prop 8 proponents are motivated solely by animus towards gays.

righty45 on June 30, 2013 at 11:54 AM

They’re already trying to silence conservative believers in the military. The GOP put religious freedom in the defense bill, IIRC, and Obama has threatened to veto it because of this provision.

And Hosanna-Tabor showed how they want to get the EEOC into every religiously affiliated employment site.

Wethal on June 30, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Yep.

Atheists wanted their own military chaplains…which they have and these are called psychiatrists.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 11:57 AM

The only possible reason for requesting this relief is to delay California homosexuals from marrying the ones they love for another few weeks. Which, funnily, seems to confirm (once again) that Prop 8 proponents are motivated solely by animus towards gays.
righty45 on June 30, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Sure, rule of law, importance of the family, elected officials actually doing their jobs, right of the people to amend their own constitutions, and the like can’t possibly have anything to do with it.

Just state unequivocally that everyone should be allowed to marry whatever they love regardless and you’ll be consistent. Otherwise, any objection you have to anyone marrying anything they want to marry is proof of your animus and bigotry, and should be ignored.

northdallasthirty on June 30, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Asking Kennedy to force the state to hold off until July 22nd – the expected date of the official judgement – with no possibility of additional action the meantime, will probably just come off as being churlish at this point

No, churlish was the losing liberals running to Federal Court to overturn the will of the People who twice voted to ban gay marriage.
Churlish was the liberal governor declining to defend the will of his people in that Court.
Cowardice was the Supreme Court denying that those People had standing to defend their decision in their own Court.

Curmudgeon on June 30, 2013 at 12:00 PM

The only possible reason for requesting this relief is to delay California homosexuals from marrying the ones they love for another few weeks. Which, funnily, seems to confirm (once again) that Prop 8 proponents are motivated solely by animus towards gays.

righty45 on June 30, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Did you even read the minority decision?

The standing rule has implications for any voter initiative drive in any state.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 12:00 PM

The Prop 8 decision basically invalidates any objectivity in the roll of Atty. Generals in the States.

Just as Atty. General Holder has done at the federal level.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 12:02 PM

I’m no fan of any sleazy gay judge being anointed with the power to nullify the votes of many thousands for an election outcome he disdains.

viking01 on June 30, 2013 at 12:03 PM

northdallasthirty on June 30, 2013 at 11:58 AM
workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Shhh, you’ll break the meme that gay marriage is trying to get the “goverment out of their bedroom.” I mean nullifying voters decisions and asking for government sanction of your sexual relationship is SOOOOO small government.

melle1228 on June 30, 2013 at 12:03 PM

O/T, but (to paraphrase the kids from Thunderdome): “The tale wants the tellin”.

Started the first few days of this month raking in googobs of Vegas cash and rocking to the new Michael Jackson Cirque extravaganza at Mandalay Bay. The rest, well, I spent in a Texas Twilight Zone.

The atmosphere there was a comforting hum of machines, anesthetized sleep to carve jacks for plugs into my body and make me part of other machines—with no XM Radio reception, either! Bags of blood in, to be vampired out through tiny needles (usually at around 3 a.m.). In all, it a New Frontier filled with roller coaster excitement (and one night, a giant orange June Moon), when it wasn’t all so stultifyingly dull.

Now enough lollygagging. The tale that wants the tellin is that crack of dawn one morning last week when the TV droned on just beneath the machine hum. I was slipping under and over waves of opiate half-sleep when a male voice snarked, “Intern” “Supreme Court” “Jazz Shaw”.

Laughter burst forth so abruptly, Husband bolted awake in his bedside recliner and lunged for the Nurse-Call button. After I explained, he looked up at the telly and saw Morning Joe. So of course it was a dream. Or not. Still, makes me smile that in my valley of the shadow of weirdness, Hot Air came to visit as surely as platoons of specialists, and relatives from Chicago.

;)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on June 30, 2013 at 12:04 PM

northdallasthirty on June 30, 2013 at 11:58 AM
workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Shhh, you’ll break the meme that gay marriage is trying to get the “goverment out of their bedroom.” I mean nullifying voters decisions and asking for government sanction of your sexual relationship is SOOOOO small government.

melle1228 on June 30, 2013 at 12:03 PM

Yeah.

It’s incredible.

This isn’t about Gay’s…This is about Cultural Nihilism.

Overthrow the Stable Cultural & Political Institutions that bind traditional families and their communities and invoke Anarchy.

Then the Fascists supply their State Apparatus to fill the vacuum.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 12:08 PM

The only possible reason for requesting this relief is to delay California homosexuals from marrying the ones they love whose genitalia they are currently infatuated with for another few weeks. Which, funnily, seems to confirm (once again) that Prop 8 proponents are motivated solely by animus towards gays.

righty45 on June 30, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Increased accuracy.

platypus on June 30, 2013 at 12:09 PM

The New Hotness is Christian Privilege…

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 11:53 AM

A new insanity! Yah!

thuja on June 30, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Yeah.

It’s incredible.

This isn’t about Gay’s…This is about Cultural Nihilism.

Overthrow the Stable Cultural & Political Institutions that bind traditional families and their communities and invoke Anarchy.

Then the Fascists supply their State Apparatus to fill the vacuum.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 12:08 PM

People don’t even realize the unresolved issues that gays are going to continue to bring to court under equal protection. Right now ANY child born within a marriage is automatically legally the husband’s unless it is challenged upon divorce. This can NEVER legally happen in a gay marriage. There is a third party involved who is the biological parent and they have rights in this situation. I can guarantee you though that GAYS will challenge this under equal protection and either one of two things will happen. Heterosexual husbands will have to go to court to legitimize their own children born within a marriage to make things EQUAL or biological parents rights will go the way of the dinosaurs so gays can say they were “parents” from the get go.. From a family law perspective, it will be chaos and a lot of fun.. From a societal view, it will be a disaster. Common sense is no longer common..

melle1228 on June 30, 2013 at 12:14 PM

“”Some people think it’s an attack simply by us exerting our existence. They put a monument on a public lawn that, if you put it in context, says atheists should be killed,” Silverman said. “It is an attack, but it’s an attack on Christian privilege, not an attack on Christians themselves, and not so much an attack on Christianity.”

http://news.yahoo.com/atheists-unveil-fla-monument-near-ten-commandments-195201537.html

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Y’know – I have no problem with them putting up a momument to their religion of atheism… But I have a REAL problem that their monument doesn’t PROMOTE their beliefs and values but does nothing more than attack Christianity.

Does that mean I can put up a monument next to the soon to be coming rainbow diversity monument celebrating gay marriage to attack homosexuality?

Skywise on June 30, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Another Saturday morning “I’m perplexed by this legal thingy here, so let’s consult Doug Mataconis’s supposed expertise” article by Jazz Shaw.

steebo77 on June 30, 2013 at 12:15 PM

It is very much in the interest of the marriage equality movement to re-vote on SSM by proposition in CA. Some people are being short sighted in Prop 8 not being overturned in that way.

thuja on June 30, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Y’know – I have no problem with them putting up a momument to their religion of atheism…

Skywise on June 30, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Would that be a discarded Thunderbird bottle?

viking01 on June 30, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Interesting Article…(excerpts)

“The Bush administration refused to endorse the bill. And yesterday’s decision gutting DOMA, authored by a Republican appointee to the Supreme Court, was the delayed but inevitable outcome.

In the wake of a major political defeat, the strong temptation is to double down, to pour all of our resources into further political battles. But the war over marriage, like the war over abortion, is at heart not a political battle but a cultural one. If we are to win it, we will not do so through legislation, because, for defenders of traditional culture, legislation is always at best a rear-guard action. By the time we found it necessary to pass laws defining and defending an institution that extends all the way back to the Garden of Eden, it was already too late for those laws to do anything more than to buy us a few years’ reprieve.

Of course, rear-guard actions are often necessary. And in this case in particular, we need to buy ourselves some time. But time to do what?

Time to shift the battleground in the war on marriage from the realm of politics to the realm of culture. Time for Christians to take to heart once again the words of the Psalmist: “Put not your trust in princes; in the sons of men, in whom there is no salvation.” Because even the best of politicians, wanting to win office or to remain in it once he gets there, is constantly tempted to see which way the wind is blowing. And the wind in the United States—even among many self-identified Catholics, like Justice Anthony Kennedy, the author of the DOMA decision—is in favor of a moral revolution that is striking at the very foundation of civilization: the family.

We can win the war on marriage on the battleground of culture, because a society built on a concept of marriage-that-is-not-marriage cannot long endure…

In the United States, only the Catholic Church has both the proper understanding of marriage and the moral authority to stand up against the political powers that have tried to arrogate to themselves the authority to redefine reality, to declare that the sky is green and the grass is blue. Only the Catholic Church has the wherewithal to say that the state has forfeited its right to say what marriage is, and what it is not.

How can the Church do so? Merely lecturing the state on the proper definition of marriage has not worked, and it will not work in the future. Speaking truth to power does not work when power hasn’t even the slightest interest in the truth. In Barack Obama’s America, marriage is merely a word, and words can be redefined at will—as indeed they must be, when they run up against the iron laws of “fairness” and “equality.”

Despite what President Obama thinks, however, any redefinition of marriage that includes sodomitic relationships is not a “fundamental truth.” As Pope Francis said of legislation to redefine marriage in Argentina, its author is the Father of Lies. And any state that wields the sword in defense of lies has forfeited its right to use that sword…

So what kind of action would? How about this: The bishops could tell the state to go to hell (which is where it is headed anyway). From now on, Catholics in the United States will be required, as always, to comply with the Church’s conditions for marriage, but the Church in the United States will no longer require, as She does now, that a man and a woman seeking to be married in the Catholic Church receive a marriage license from the state. If a couple wants to do so, for tax purposes or for other legal advantages, they will be free to do so; but the Church will no longer regard such a license as necessary, much less as having any moral weight. Marriage within the Church will be divorced entirely from what the state deems to be marriage.

Such an action would shift the battleground immediately. It would encourage other Christian denominations to take a stand, one way or the other. It would force “cultural Catholics,” like Justice Kennedy, to decide where their loyalty lies: with the Church and the truths that She upholds, or with the state and its degraded and degrading culture. And it would erect an impregnable barrier against the assault that everyone knows is just over the horizon: the attempt of the state to force the Church to perform the impossible, to marry a man to a man and a woman to a woman…

“How religious institutions define and consecrate marriage has always been up to those institutions,” President Obama declared after yesterday’s ruling. “Nothing about this decision—which applies only to civil marriages—changes that.” The bishops of the United States should take him at his word. If President Obama sees “civil marriage” and marriage as “define[d] and consecrate[d]” by the Church as two different things, the Church should treat them as such. The very act of doing so would deny legitimacy to “civil marriage” and preserve and protect true marriage better than any law or Supreme Court decision ever could….”

http://www.crisismagazine.com/2013/where-do-we-go-from-here?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CrisisMagazine+%28Crisis+Magazine%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 12:20 PM

The New Hotness is Christian Privilege…
workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 11:53 AM

A new insanity! Yah!
thuja on June 30, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Useful idiot says what?

northdallasthirty on June 30, 2013 at 12:22 PM

It looks like the applicants certainly have the law on their side

LOL. “the law”?? How quaint.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 30, 2013 at 12:25 PM

“”Some people think it’s an attack simply by us exerting our existence. They put a monument on a public lawn that, if you put it in context, says atheists should be killed,” Silverman said. “It is an attack, but it’s an attack on Christian privilege, not an attack on Christians themselves, and not so much an attack on Christianity.”

http://news.yahoo.com/atheists-unveil-fla-monument-near-ten-commandments-195201537.html

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Y’know – I have no problem with them putting up a momument to their religion of atheism… But I have a REAL problem that their monument doesn’t PROMOTE their beliefs and values but does nothing more than attack Christianity.

Does that mean I can put up a monument next to the soon to be coming rainbow diversity monument celebrating gay marriage to attack homosexuality?

Skywise on June 30, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Tolerance and Diversity and all that…

A bunch of Liberal Yankees got their money together so they could put up their monument.

Free Speech and all that.

The Christian Floridians blasted them peacefully with loud Gospel Music and signs that said Yankee go Home…

Fun Times.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 12:25 PM

thuja on June 30, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Go wipe the feces off your ****.

CW on June 30, 2013 at 12:29 PM

It is very much in the interest of the marriage equality DESTRUCTION movement [blah blah blah]

thuja on June 30, 2013 at 12:17 PM

At least, show a little bit of honesty. Your side, in their quest to destroy marriage and all of Western culture, has been highly successful. You are reliving the French Revol— in modern times. Stop being a total azzwipe by trying to feign some lingering respect for the institution of marriage. You nihilists are here to destroy all Western institutions. Be happy that you’re winning on that but stop with the transparent BS already. You idiots don’t care about any “marriage equality” other than having “marriage” equal nothing, which is pretty much where we’re at, now. Congrats, Robespierre.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 30, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Hey Thuja contrary what you think your bowels are not comparable to the womb.

CW on June 30, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Y’know – I have no problem with them putting up a momument to their religion of atheism…

Skywise on June 30, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Would that be a discarded Thunderbird bottle?

viking01 on June 30, 2013 at 12:19 PM

HA!

North v South

Funtimes ahead.

From the article…

“About 200 people attended the unveiling. Most were supportive, though there were protesters, including a group from Florida League of the South that had signs that said “Yankees Go Home.”

We reject outsiders coming to Florida — especially from outside what we refer to as the Bible Belt — and trying to remake us in their own image,” said Michael Tubbs, state chairman of the Florida League of the South. “We do feel like it’s a stick in the eye to the Christian people of Florida to have these outsiders come down here with their money and their leadership and promote their outside values here.”

http://news.yahoo.com/atheists-unveil-fla-monument-near-ten-commandments-195201537.html

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 12:32 PM

No, churlish was the losing liberals running to Federal Court to overturn the will of the People who twice voted to ban gay marriage.
Churlish was the liberal governor declining to defend the will of his people in that Court.
Cowardice was the Supreme Court denying that those People had standing to defend their decision in their own Court.
Curmudgeon on June 30, 2013 at 12:00 PM

And willful ignoring of the fact that it doesn’t matter how big of a majority you can get to vote in favor of something if it’s unconstitutional and affects the rights of others, is cowardice.

Or perhaps just stupidity. If the “will of the people” was voted fair and square to go back to segregation, or to deny women’s votes, or anything else on a list like that that you can think of, IT DOESN’T MATTER. The will of the “people”, or actually just a majority, makes no difference at all if that will tries to lead to restricting the rights of others.

THAT’s why we have a court system.

It’s churlish to pretend otherwise, sir.

Genuine on June 30, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Genuine on June 30, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Marriage is not a RIGHT. It is a privilege or you wouldn’t need a license which by its very nature is exclusionary. Furthermore, if the state has no compelling reason to regulate marriage then they have NO COMPELLING REASON to sanction it either.

And please don’t bring up Loving v. Virginia until you actually understand the court’s opinion on it and the Baker v. Nelson ruling.

melle1228 on June 30, 2013 at 12:37 PM

One has to remember that the bigot thuja fully supports and endorses teaching hatred of Christians and encouraging students to attack Christians for their faith.

And don’t forget how the bigot thuja and its fellow bigots are groveling and whining that Obama liberal Alec Baldwin’s rants about gays aren’t homophobic.

Think of thuja and its ilk as Al Sharpton Trayvon wannabes, and you’ll be spot on.

northdallasthirty on June 30, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Churlish was the liberal governor declining to defend the will of his people in that Court.

Curmudgeon on June 30, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Don’t forget the feral government refusing to defend DOMA in that same court. But, we all know that Barky gets to decide which duly-enacted laws shall be enforced against which specific people and which duly-enacted laws will be defended by his personal government arm. That’s how Sukarno used to do it so that’s how the retarded Sukarno copy does it. Do Americans have a problem with us being Indonesia?? It’s all in the “Executive whim” supreme power clause in the Constitution … You might have missed it because the Founders wrote it in Bahasa.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 30, 2013 at 12:38 PM

A bunch of Liberal Yankees got their money together so they could put up their monument.

Free Speech and all that.

The Christian Floridians blasted them peacefully with loud Gospel Music and signs that said Yankee go Home…

Fun Times.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 12:25 PM

I’m genuinely confused. Exactly how does this monument cause damage to believers?

Seems to me its mere existence shows that God’s people are an existential threat to atheism. It also silently screams for parents to engage their children on the truth of God and all that goes with that.

Of course, the parents have to actually know something about God in order to make a case for the truth of Him.

platypus on June 30, 2013 at 12:38 PM

And willful ignoring of the fact that it doesn’t matter how big of a majority you can get to vote in favor of something if it’s unconstitutional and affects the rights of others, is cowardice…
THAT’s why we have a court system.
Genuine on June 30, 2013 at 12:33 PM

That is not what the Prop 8 decision was about.

The implication of the majority decision is that unless a State Atty. General defends any law legislated or voted in a legal initiative…The People have no recourse for appeal in those very courts you tout.

The Supreme Court through this decision just approved the politicization of the Office of the Atty. General at the State level…and gave credence to the current actions of the current office Holder at the Federal Level.

I’m sure Eric Holder was very pleased with that decision.

pun intended.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Marriage is between a man and a woman. This twisting of reality proves just how whacked so many liberals are. Might as well call a tree and apple.

CW on June 30, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Think of thuja and its ilk as Al Sharpton Trayvon wannabes, and you’ll be spot on.

northdallasthirty on June 30, 2013 at 12:37 PM

One thing for sure he’s a creepy-ass cracker… so to speak.

viking01 on June 30, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Atheists wanted their own military chaplains…which they have and these are called psychiatrists.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Hahahaha! But really, it makes no sense. Kinda like military lesbians requesting Government Issue boyfriends.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on June 30, 2013 at 12:45 PM

According to Drudge, Kennedy has denied the motion. I think they can go to the full court, but I doubt there are the votes for that.

Wethal on June 30, 2013 at 12:45 PM

viking01 on June 30, 2013 at 12:42 PM

LOL. But you had the dash in the wrong place :)

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 30, 2013 at 12:46 PM

If it’s named Kennedy one can be sure it has no time to be distracted by law.

viking01 on June 30, 2013 at 12:48 PM

viking01 on June 30, 2013 at 12:42 PM

LOL. But you had the dash in the wrong place :)

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 30, 2013 at 12:46 PM

I nearly gavomited. That’s gag and vomit simultaneously.

viking01 on June 30, 2013 at 12:49 PM

A bunch of Liberal Yankees got their money together so they could put up their monument.

Free Speech and all that.

The Christian Floridians blasted them peacefully with loud Gospel Music and signs that said Yankee go Home…

Fun Times.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 12:25 PM

I’m genuinely confused. Exactly how does this monument cause damage to believers?

Seems to me its mere existence shows that God’s people are an existential threat to atheism. It also silently screams for parents to engage their children on the truth of God and all that goes with that.

Of course, the parents have to actually know something about God in order to make a case for the truth of Him.

platypus on June 30, 2013 at 12:38 PM

I didn’t say the monument caused damage to believers.

Floridians don’t appreciate New Jerseyites telling them how to live any more then Texans appreciate Californians demanding we adopt their moonbat environmental policies…

Have to say lumpin Madelyn Murray O’Hare (A moonbat if there ever was one) with the founding fathers is a bit of a stretch but she’s their hero…Maybe someday if they find all of her corpse, she can lie with Hoffa (If they ever find him) in a joint Liberal Moonbat Fascist Mausoleum like the Prophet Mohammy…and Liberals can all walk in circles around it or something.

*blech*

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 12:51 PM

One has to remember that the bigot thuja fully supports and endorses teaching hatred of Christians and encouraging students to attack Christians for their faith.

And don’t forget how the bigot thuja and its fellow bigots are groveling and whining that Obama liberal Alec Baldwin’s rants about gays aren’t homophobic.

Think of thuja and its ilk as Al Sharpton Trayvon wannabes, and you’ll be spot on.

northdallasthirty on June 30, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Yep.

Baldwin can be a public Homophobe…cause he’s a Star or something.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 12:55 PM

States should be able to decide the issue on a civil level…But Churches should be able to decide their Liturgy and the Practice of their Faith.

Who knew Gays and Feminists could Unite Catholics and Baptists…

OY! The Irony…

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 12:58 PM

According to Drudge, Kennedy has denied the motion. I think they can go to the full court, but I doubt there are the votes for that.

Wethal on June 30, 2013 at 12:45 PM

New gay marriage challenge fails

OmahaConservative on June 30, 2013 at 1:01 PM

No, churlish was the losing liberals running to Federal Court to overturn the will of the People who twice voted to ban gay marriage.
Churlish was the liberal governor declining to defend the will of his people in that Court.
Cowardice was the Supreme Court denying that those People had standing to defend their decision in their own Court.
Curmudgeon on June 30, 2013 at 12:00 PM

And willful ignoring of the fact that it doesn’t matter how big of a majority you can get to vote in favor of something if it’s unconstitutional and affects the rights of others, is cowardice.

Or perhaps just stupidity. If the “will of the people” was voted fair and square to go back to segregation, or to deny women’s votes, or anything else on a list like that that you can think of, IT DOESN’T MATTER. The will of the “people”, or actually just a majority, makes no difference at all if that will tries to lead to restricting the rights of others.

THAT’s why we have a court system.

It’s churlish to pretend otherwise, sir.

Genuine on June 30, 2013 at 12:33 PMNo, churlish was the losing liberals running to Federal Court to overturn the will of the People who twice voted to ban gay marriage.
Churlish was the liberal governor declining to defend the will of his people in that Court.
Cowardice was the Supreme Court denying that those People had standing to defend their decision in their own Court.
Curmudgeon on June 30, 2013 at 12:00 PM

And willful ignoring of the fact that it doesn’t matter how big of a majority you can get to vote in favor of something if it’s unconstitutional and affects the rights of others, is cowardice.

Or perhaps just stupidity. If the “will of the people” was voted fair and square to go back to segregation, or to deny women’s votes, or anything else on a list like that that you can think of, IT DOESN’T MATTER. The will of the “people”, or actually just a majority, makes no difference at all if that will tries to lead to restricting the rights of others.

THAT’s why we have a court system.

It’s churlish to pretend otherwise, sir.

Genuine on June 30, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Wrong. For one thing, Slavery was outlawed by Constitutional Amendment #13. No state could or would vote to reinstate it. Have fun with your strawman though.
All Proposition 8 did was preserve the status quo definition of marriage and remove it from the ability of a State Court to meddle with. Inother words, legal democracy. If opponents had the votes, they could as easily have chosen to work with in the same process to pass an initiative overturning Prop. 8.
Instead they chose to harrass those who voted for it and run to a federal court and with the connivance of those sworn to uphold the law, undermine it.
Let’s see how “Genuine” you are when the shoe is on the other foot.
This ridiculous USSC ruling just effectively ended the relevance of popular initiatives. This will not end well.

Curmudgeon on June 30, 2013 at 1:01 PM

According to Drudge, Kennedy has denied the motion. I think they can go to the full court, but I doubt there are the votes for that.

Wethal on June 30, 2013 at 12:45 PM

New gay marriage challenge fails

OmahaConservative on June 30, 2013 at 1:01 PM

From your link…

“If there was some irony in Justice Kennedy’s action, it was that he was among the four dissenting Justices who would have allowed the measure’s backers to press their defense of the same-sex marriage ban. They had been out-voted, five to four.”

The next phase of this battle will be fought in the courts as Churches refuse to perform the marriages in California and the other 11 states.

Fun Times ahead.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 1:09 PM

It will be interesting to see if States react to the Prop 8 decision by enacting redundant legislation that requires State Atty. Generals to defend legal voter initiatives and legislation regardless of political ideology.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 1:11 PM

And willful ignoring of the fact that it doesn’t matter how big of a majority you can get to vote in favor of something if it’s unconstitutional and affects the rights of others, is cowardice.

Or perhaps just stupidity. If the “will of the people” was voted fair and square to go back to segregation, or to deny women’s votes, or anything else on a list like that that you can think of, IT DOESN’T MATTER. The will of the “people”, or actually just a majority, makes no difference at all if that will tries to lead to restricting the rights of others.

THAT’s why we have a court system.

It’s churlish to pretend otherwise, sir.

Genuine on June 30, 2013 at 12:33 PM

I can understand how repressed minority should take to the courts, and the courts should decide whether the repression or majority rule should hold sway on an issue. But marriage equality is no longer a minority position. We should press on via legislation, not by running to the courts.

Part of society changing on homosexuality is gays and their supporters being willing to accept that change. We shouldn’t pretend it’s the 1890′s and an admission that you are gay will get you killed, beaten up, imprisoned or tortured.

thuja on June 30, 2013 at 1:15 PM

According to Drudge, Kennedy has denied the motion. I think they can go to the full court, but I doubt there are the votes for that.

Wethal on June 30, 2013 at 12:45 PM

I think they did this to embarrass Kennedy and show him up for the hypocritical judicial activist that he is.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 1:17 PM

I think they did this to embarrass Kennedy and show him up for the hypocritical judicial activist that he is.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 1:17 PM

If that’s what happened, jolly good for them.

MelonCollie on June 30, 2013 at 1:20 PM

that you are gay will get you killed, beaten up, imprisoned or tortured.

thuja on June 30, 2013 at 1:15 PM

If that happens to you constantly I’d look for another excuse.

viking01 on June 30, 2013 at 1:22 PM

I think they did this to embarrass Kennedy and show him up for the hypocritical judicial activist that he is.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 1:17 PM

If that’s what happened, jolly good for them.

MelonCollie on June 30, 2013 at 1:20 PM

To someone like Kennedy it stings…cause it’s in the Official Record now.

That record is what Judges,Lawyers and Students discuss…and what Historians write about for years and years.

So Yeah…It’s a B*tchslap.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 1:23 PM

I think they did this to embarrass Kennedy and show him up for the hypocritical judicial activist that he is.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Kennedy is a frickin idiot. I truly don’t know why they have him write so many opinions. He is bumbling, rambling, incoherent mess. Just read the majorty opinoin in Marlyand v. King.. The difference between his writing and Scalia’s dissent(which was full of actual legal reasoning) is world’s apart. He is a hypocrit but even worse and ignoramous.

melle1228 on June 30, 2013 at 1:24 PM

an*

melle1228 on June 30, 2013 at 1:24 PM

I think they did this to embarrass Kennedy and show him up for the hypocritical judicial activist that he is.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Kennedy is a frickin idiot. I truly don’t know why they have him write so many opinions. He is bumbling, rambling, incoherent mess. Just read the majorty opinoin in Marlyand v. King.. The difference between his writing and Scalia’s dissent(which was full of actual legal reasoning) is world’s apart. He is a hypocrit but even worse and ignoramous.

melle1228 on June 30, 2013 at 1:24 PM

The only opinion that Justices like Kennedy or Roberts care about is the opinions of their insulated sewing circle…The Legal Profession,Judicial Historians & The Legal Academies.

Kennedy doesn’t like being embarrassed in front of his exalted audience.

Hypocrisy…Thy Name is Justice Kennedy.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 1:30 PM

The difference between his writing and Scalia’s dissent(which was full of actual legal reasoning) is world’s apart. He is a hypocrit but even worse and ignoramous.

melle1228 on June 30, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Scalia always makes compelling arguments.

That’s why they are so afraid of him.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 1:32 PM

State marriage was invented by humans. Thus, humans can change what it means. Life goes on.

libfreeordie on June 30, 2013 at 1:36 PM

But marriage equality is no longer a minority position. We should press on via legislation, not by running to the courts.
thuja on June 30, 2013 at 1:15 PM

It will become a minority position again when folks see they’re churches bankrupted and Religious Refusniks lose they’re businesses and go to jail.

And there will be a backlash of public sentiment against those Fascist Tactics used by your movement.

Yep!

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 1:37 PM

The only possible reason for requesting this relief is to delay California homosexuals from marrying the ones they love for another few weeks. Which, funnily, seems to confirm (once again) that Prop 8 proponents are motivated solely by animus towards gays.

righty45 on June 30, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Buncha meanies.

Hit’em with yer purse, princess.

Solaratov on June 30, 2013 at 1:37 PM

State marriage was invented by humans. Thus, humans can change what it means. Life goes on.

libfreeordie on June 30, 2013 at 1:36 PM

The problem is that you aren’t letting “humans” change it. You are letting 9 robed tyrants do that.. What am I saying, you’re a liberal; that’s what you guys do..

melle1228 on June 30, 2013 at 1:47 PM

State marriage was invented by humans. Thus, humans can change what it means. Life goes on.

libfreeordie on June 30, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Ownership of slaves was invented by humans as well.

sentinelrules on June 30, 2013 at 1:48 PM

State marriage was invented by humans. Thus, humans can change what it means. Life goes on.

libfreeordie on June 30, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Marriage was invented by God when He created Eve.

Foxhound on June 30, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Let’s see how “Genuine” you are when the shoe is on the other foot.
This ridiculous USSC ruling just effectively ended the relevance of popular initiatives. This will not end well.

Curmudgeon on June 30, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Yep!

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 1:48 PM

According to the geniuses on the left, the last forty thousand years of human history was all wrong.

birdwatcher on June 30, 2013 at 1:49 PM

State marriage was invented by humans. Thus, humans can change what it means. Life goes on.

libfreeordie on June 30, 2013 at 1:36 PM

The problem is that you aren’t letting “humans” change it. You are letting 9 robed tyrants do that.. What am I saying, you’re a liberal; that’s what you guys do..

melle1228 on June 30, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Yep.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 1:52 PM

If they can get a constitutional amendment out of congress supporting traditional marriage… it will pass in the states.

JellyToast on June 30, 2013 at 1:52 PM

According to the geniuses on the left, the last forty thousand years of human history was all wrong.

birdwatcher on June 30, 2013 at 1:49 PM

And one species of mammal has no defined method of mating as opposed to the tens of millions of species of flora and fauna populating the entire planet. Because, you know, ‘fairness’.

MelonCollie on June 30, 2013 at 1:52 PM

According to the geniuses on the left, the last forty six thousand years of human history was all wrong.

birdwatcher on June 30, 2013 at 1:49 PM

Foxhound on June 30, 2013 at 1:53 PM

According to the geniuses on the left, the last forty thousand years of human history was all wrong.

birdwatcher on June 30, 2013 at 1:49 PM

White Privilege

Euro-Imperialist Privilege

Hetero-Normative Privilege

New Hotness…Christian Privilege

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 1:54 PM

According to the geniuses on the left, the last forty thousand years of human history was all wrong.

birdwatcher on June 30, 2013 at 1:49 PM

And one species of mammal has no defined method of mating as opposed to the tens of millions of species of flora and fauna populating the entire planet. Because, you know, ‘fairness’.

MelonCollie on June 30, 2013 at 1:52 PM

End Genders Altogether…Because you know ‘fairness’

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 1:57 PM

According to the geniuses on the left, the last forty six thousand years of human history was all wrong.

birdwatcher on June 30, 2013 at 1:49 PM

Foxhound on June 30, 2013 at 1:53 PM

Civilization is older than 6 thousand years…But maybe not in the UK.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 1:58 PM

OT but check out this pic of Egyptians protesting Obama’s buddy Morsi…

https://twitter.com/Egyptocracy/status/351378288695996416/photo/1

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 2:02 PM

End Genders Altogether…Because you know ‘fairness’

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Whups, forgot to add that bit.

Stalin himself *spit* wasn’t pushing for this much ‘equality’. Even the author of modern leftist tyranny knew that you couldn’t eliminate some differences between individuals…even with the might of a fascist regime that had a chance to rule the world.

Pass all the ‘laws’ you want, libtards, there will still be as much irreconcilable differences between men and women as there are between the people-groups who vote conservative and the ones who vote for Obama’s stash. (which was why our nation didn’t initially allow for universal suffrage, but that’s another discussion)

There is no being equal with liberal ideals, no common ground with its die-hard supporters at all. Either they lose elections and fail to pass laws and are sent home crying to their single mothers…or they will rule by force and fear in a manner straight out of a patriot’s nightmare.

MelonCollie on June 30, 2013 at 2:03 PM

End Genders Altogether…Because you know ‘fairness’

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Already happening. Gender has become subjective. Deciding what gender you has also become a civil right..

Colorado officials say a suburban Colorado Springs school district discriminated against a 6-year-old transgender girl by preventing her from using the girls’ bathroom, in what advocates described as the first such ruling in the next frontier in civil rights.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/06/25/transgender-first-grader-who-wasnt-allowed-to-use-girls-bathroom-wins-colorado-discrimination-case/

melle1228 on June 30, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Civilization is older than 6 thousand years…But maybe not in the UK.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Your proof is?

Foxhound on June 30, 2013 at 2:04 PM

State marriage was invented by humans. Thus, humans can change what it means. Life goes on.

libfreeordie on June 30, 2013 at 1:36 PM

The problem is that you aren’t letting “humans” change it. You are letting 9 robed tyrants do that.. What am I saying, you’re a liberal; that’s what you guys do..

melle1228 on June 30, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Marriage was invented by God, not man. But having said that.. I agree with you.

My problem with all of this it is being forced from the top down. When gay marriage bans were left to the people.. it passed. Judges struck it down… and that is what happened here. And yet… it’s “celebrated” all over on how our country is changing. Like “everybody is embracing homosexuality and gay marriage now!” No, they’re not. It’s being forced on them and a lot of people are just accepting what seems like the inevitable.. because it’s being forced on us.

But this, like abortion, is not going to go away. And it hasn’t solved anything.. this will create more problems and more conflicts!

I’m a Christian but I’m also a big freedom guy and believer in choice here. Live and let live. If some town wants to have gay marriage and the people vote for it and their churches welcome it.. go for it. If you don’t like it.. move out of town. But it’s never like that. They aren’t happy with that. They want to force it in your face. They want to invade your church, your school and home!

JellyToast on June 30, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Kennedy is trying to play it clever by refusing to allow an appeal AFTER a judge issued the ruling he wanted overturning proposition 8, so he wouldn’t look directly like an activist judge. I’m in favor of making him put his hands on the ruling. Then let him try to wash his hands of it

tom on June 30, 2013 at 2:07 PM

State marriage was invented by humans. Thus, humans can change what it means. Life goes on.

libfreeordie on June 30, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Then, you’re satisfied to have civil marriages…and not sue churches when they refuse to “marry” homosexuals?

You’ve attained the “rights” you wanted. Correct?

Or are you going to demand that churches “sanctify” your “union”?

Solaratov on June 30, 2013 at 2:10 PM

libfreeordie on June 30, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Did you wash the feces off your ****? What a perverse >lifestyle”.

CW on June 30, 2013 at 2:11 PM

End Genders Altogether…Because you know ‘fairness’

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Whups, forgot to add that bit.

Stalin himself *spit* wasn’t pushing for this much ‘equality’. Even the author of modern leftist tyranny knew that you couldn’t eliminate some differences between individuals…even with the might of a fascist regime that had a chance to rule the world.

Pass all the ‘laws’ you want, libtards, there will still be as much irreconcilable differences between men and women as there are between the people-groups who vote conservative and the ones who vote for Obama’s stash. (which was why our nation didn’t initially allow for universal suffrage, but that’s another discussion)

There is no being equal with liberal ideals, no common ground with its die-hard supporters at all. Either they lose elections and fail to pass laws and are sent home crying to their single mothers…or they will rule by force and fear in a manner straight out of a patriot’s nightmare.

MelonCollie on June 30, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Many many Gays just never get it.

Fascists use them and then persecute them as soon as they are in power….Just like they do with the intellectual Jewish Marxists and the other fringy anarchists and perpetual malcontents.

incredible really.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Civilization is older than 6 thousand years…But maybe not in the UK.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Your proof is?

Foxhound on June 30, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Göbekli Tepe

est. 11,500 years old.

Archaeologists are finding new old stuff all the time using new technology.

Truth is…We don’t know how old Civilization is but many of the older theories are being challenged by new evidence that has been buried and is being dug up.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 2:26 PM

State marriage was invented by humans. Thus, humans can change what it means. Life goes on.

libfreeordie on June 30, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Ownership of slaves was invented by humans as well.

sentinelrules on June 30, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Direct hit.

But couldn’t it be credibly argued that libfree and his fellow cultists on the Left changed what “ownership of slaves” means? Now, that phrase is used to define the relationship between the Democrat Party and its “voters”.

Del Dolemonte on June 30, 2013 at 2:28 PM

But this, like abortion, is not going to go away. And it hasn’t solved anything.. this will create more problems and more conflicts!

I’m a Christian but I’m also a big freedom guy and believer in choice here. Live and let live. If some town wants to have gay marriage and the people vote for it and their churches welcome it.. go for it. If you don’t like it.. move out of town. But it’s never like that. They aren’t happy with that. They want to force it in your face. They want to invade your church, your school and home!

JellyToast on June 30, 2013 at 2:05 PM

And that’s the crux of it really because while the Young Pioneers sing the praises of Tolerance,Fairness and Diversity it’s never about that is it…

It’s about Conformity through Uniformity…

It’s Fascism which means a brutal suppression of dissent of any kind.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Libfree is a slave and willingly. What a dumbass.

CW on June 30, 2013 at 2:37 PM

End Genders Altogether…Because you know ‘fairness’

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Already happening. Gender has become subjective. Deciding what gender you has also become a civil right..

Colorado officials say a suburban Colorado Springs school district discriminated against a 6-year-old transgender girl by preventing her from using the girls’ bathroom, in what advocates described as the first such ruling in the next frontier in civil rights.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/06/25/transgender-first-grader-who-wasnt-allowed-to-use-girls-bathroom-wins-colorado-discrimination-case/

melle1228 on June 30, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Yeah.

Bathroom neutrality is a big deal to LGBTQ’s.

So…Adult Men can now hang out in the little girls room…all they gotta do is say they feel female or something…

Meet Rodney Kenneth Petersen, who appears to be either a garden-variety pervert or a pioneer in the next big cultural battle over sexual identity — or both, of course.

Petersen, 46, allegedly dressed up in women’s clothes — and a brunette wig — and unsuccessfully attempted to sneak into student-only areas of a women’s residence hall on the campus of Loma Linda University in Southern California, reports NBC4 Los Angeles.

Eventually, dormitory staff members noticed a cross-dressing, middle-aged man in their midst and confronted him, explains the Pasadena Star-News.

It’s not clear which restricted parts of the dorm Petersen had hoped to enter.

Petersen’s hasty attempt to flee the scene was nothing if not dramatic. A security guard approached him in a parking lot, notes Redlands Patch, but he managed to make it to his vehicle. As he was absconding in the car, he allegedly struck either the same security guard or a different one, causing minor injuries.

The incident occurred in the afternoon on June 4. Petersen was arrested on June 21 and released day later on $50,000 bail.

San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department investigators told NBC4 that Petersen’s objective was to photograph women with a cellphone he had concealed in his stylish purse.

Detectives also said they have found evidence that the cross-dresser had previously attempted to enter unnamed female-only facilities in nearby towns amid the sprawl of Southern California’s Inland Empire.

Loma Linda University (in Loma Linda, Calif.) is a coed, Seventh-day Adventist-affiliated school that specializes primarily in the health sciences.

“We applaud the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department for following through with the investigation and making an arrest in the case of a trespasser to one of the dormitories,” school spokesman Herbert Atienza said in a statement released this week…”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/27/cross-dressing-man-busted-trying-to-spy-in-female-college-dorm/#ixzz2Xj5D0aD6

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Göbekli Tepe

est. 11,500 years old.

Archaeologists are finding new old stuff all the time using new technology.

Truth is…We don’t know how old Civilization is but many of the older theories are being challenged by new evidence that has been buried and is being dug up.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Estimated? Based on what? The same ‘science’ that spouts global warming hooey.

Read and learn: http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tba/age-of-the-universe-1 dimwit

Foxhound on June 30, 2013 at 2:37 PM

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 2:37 PM

I don’t believe it. Nobody would abuse “transgender rights” for the sole purpose of spying on women naked..//

melle1228 on June 30, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Lawyers among us: could not the supporters of Prop 8 file a writ of Mandamus requiring the state to defend Prop 8 in court? If the state does a lousy job (and you know they will) then it’s on to SCOTUS on appeal for inadequate counsel. Or is this not a viable alternative?

IdrilofGondolin on June 30, 2013 at 2:48 PM

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