Biden pressed Correa to give up Snowden

posted at 2:01 pm on June 30, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Remember when Barack Obama didn’t want to spend his valuable time dealing with “a 29-year-old hacker,” and didn’t want to be put in a position where he needed to be “wheeling and dealing” to get Edward Snowden back?  As an important world leader, Obama has better things to do. Good news — he’s found someone with nothing better to do:

US vice-president Joe Biden has asked Ecuador to turn down an asylum request from National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden, the country’s president said Saturday.

Rafael Correa said he had a “friendly and very cordial” conversation with Biden, and told the vice-president that Ecuador hadn’t sought to be put in the situation of deciding whether to harbor an American fugitive. Correa said Ecuador can’t consider the asylum request until Snowden is on Ecuadorean soil.

Correa isn’t terribly interested in dealing with 30-year-old leakers, either, especially when they haven’t set foot on Ecuadorean soil yet.  His message — don’t call us, we’ll call you.  Oh, and while we’re discussing extradition, Correa said, how about working on the request Ecuador has open with the US now?

“The moment that he arrives, if he arrives, the first thing is we’ll ask the opinion of the United States, as we did in the Assange case with England,” Correa said. “But the decision is ours to make.” …

Correa, in a weekly television address, praised Biden for being more courteous than US senators who have threatened economic penalties if Ecuador doesn’t cooperate.

At the same time, Correa rebuked the Obama administration for hypocrisy, invoking the case of two bankers, brothers Roberto and William Isaias, whom Ecuador is seeking to extradite from the US.

“Let’s be consistent,” Correa said. “Have rules for everyone, because that is a clear double-standard here.”

Never heard of the Isaias brothers?  According to an Ecuadorean court, they’re the equivalent of a Ken Lay or a Bernie Madoff.  The two live in Miami and have since 2000, fleeing Ecuador after the collapse of Filanbanco the year before.  The failure cost Ecuador over $8 billion, and the two men were sentenced in absentia to eight years in prison.

Why hasn’t the US extradited the Isaias brothers?  We do have an extradition treaty with Ecuador, and it seems unlikely that embezzlement, theft, and/or fraud wouldn’t be covered by it.  An independent audit by PricewaterhouseCoopers found that the brothers falsified financial statements in 1998 to hide the bank’s pending failure, so it’s not as if these are unfounded allegations. The US has refused to extradite the pair for some reason, which might have provoked Correa’s embrace of Julian Assange when the US wanted him arrested over the Wikileaks publication of sensitive military diplomatic communications.

Speaking of whom, Assange made an appearance today on ABC’s This Week, criticizing Biden’s effort as “not acceptable,” in contrast to Correa’s remarks. Assange made it clear that he’s taking over the case from Ecuador, which might be an unpleasant surprise to Ecuadoreans:

The really ominous part of the interview came when Assange was asked whether or not he possessed Snowden’s NSA documents: “Look, there is no stopping the publishing process at this stage. Great care has been taken to make sure Mr. Snowden cannot be pressured by any state to stop the publication process.”

But there are serious problems with the Julian Assange Takeover, and they are quickly boiling up. Last week, Ecuador’s President Rafael Correa slowed down Snowden’s asylum process because he was worried that the WikiLeaks leader was taking over the role of his country’s government. The Guardian reported that Correa killed a temporary travel document that would have helped get Snowden out of the Moscow airport where he has reportedly been staying for the last week. In leaked communications, Ecuador officials seemed bitter by how much attention Assange was taking, with a Ecuador’s U.S. ambassador telling a presidential spokesman “I suggest talking to Assange to better control the communications. From outside, [Assange] appears to be running the show.” …

And tensions over Snowden and Assange in Ecuador aren’t just at the governmental level. With the Obama administration threatening to keep in place tariffs on rose imports from Ecuador, flower growers in the country have a direct financial interest in the outcome of Snowden’s flight. “We can’t put the interests of 14 million Ecuadoreans at risk because of a 29-year-old hacker whom we don’t even know,” Gino Descalzi, who employees 280 people in the rose business, told the AP. “This gentleman doesn’t mean anything to us.”

Correa’s pleasant public response to Biden might be a signal to Assange as to just who’s actually running the show in Quito — a warning that Assange might be getting too big for his britches in the London embassy. Snowden might want to look for other options and keep Assange at arm’s length, although if he’s transmitted the stolen data to Wikileaks, it’s probably too late for that.

Correa, for his part, may be worried about the impression that Ecuador is making on the world, thanks to the Assange-Snowden circus.  Investors Business Daily explains exactly how Correa’s government appears to those who might want to put capital in play in South America:

Most nations would kill to have Ecuador’s free-trade privileges with the U.S. Ecuador, however, has decided to scrap them for the fun of tweaking the U.S. over the Edward Snowden issue. It’s gone full banana republic.

The radical-socialist South American country announced its decision to scrap its tariff-free trading pact with the U.S. Thursday, in response to a warning from a U.S. senator that its arrangement — granted in 1991 in exchange for its help in the war on drugs — would be jeopardized if the country granted National Security Agency renegade Edward Snowden asylum there.

It was unprecedented. Nobody gives up free trade, particularly under the agreement Ecuador has, which means free trade without reciprocation.

If Correa is willing to cut off his nose to spite his face over Snowden, why would anyone put valuable capital in play in Ecuador — especially when they could choose neighboring Peru or Colombia instead, which also have free-trade pacts?  Forty-five percent of Ecuador’s exports come to the US, but a fresh set of tariffs will make those products a lot less competitive. That’s a high price to pay for the Isaias brothers and a short-term thumb in the eye of the Obama administration. It’s irrational and personal, two qualities that scare investors off.  If I were Edward Snowden, I wouldn’t bet on that outcome … and maybe Julian Assange might want to consider that, too.

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Biden pressed Correa to give up Snowden

This probably played out like Barney Fife grilling a suspect on “The Andy Griffith Show”.

jon1979 on June 30, 2013 at 2:04 PM

I had forgotten all about Biden until this…

OmahaConservative on June 30, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Biden pressed Korea to give up Snowden

To which Park Geun-hye responded “I’m the President of Korea, you want President Correa of Ecuador, you idiot” and hung up.

Flange on June 30, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Biden — Someone who thinks himself an event and who keeps looking for a place to happen.

What would a politician be without TV cameras?

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Afterwards Correa flipped Slow Joe a herring and he clapped his fins. Owrk! Owrk!

viking01 on June 30, 2013 at 2:08 PM

This Assange guy is an irritating anarchist punk. Seriously why are were some conservatives hailing Snowden? I was watching some international news and its obvious this guy is now a puppet for anti Americans. I say screw him and I hope he is dragged back to the US to face justice. Meanwhile how is the hopey changey foreign policy working out for Barry? Lol

celticdefender on June 30, 2013 at 2:11 PM

At the same time, Correa rebuked the Obama administration for hypocrisy, invoking the case of two bankers, brothers Roberto and William Isaias, whom Ecuador is seeking to extradite from the US.

“Let’s be consistent,” Correa said. “Have rules for everyone, because that is a clear double-standard here.”

Uhoh…

Obama will have to get the IRS to Audit a Hispanic Politician…Bad Optics.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Biden speaks because obama is completely irrelevant, no matter what liar and cow Rice says.

Tiny dictatorial Ecuador now shows US a big finger, Yes, they can!

obama killed the last shred of moral authority and decency the US had left.

Today in his S. African speech:

1. “I am the first black US president” – NO, you are NOT, you fool.

2. “…the Chinese, the Indians, the Turkish people, the Europeans and Americans”.

This creep has destroyed the world, in full transparency.

The NSA has secret agreements with the hypocritical govt’s of Europe.

But, the creeps yammer

European officials lash out at new NSA spying report

…while data is collected at huge compounds across Europe, against the European people, with the UN (of which a huge compound exists in Vienna).

US and other media, die, all of you, in obama’s ass. It’s NOT Beluga caviar that you eat.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Uhoh…

Obama will have to get the IRS to Audit a Hispanic Politician…Bad Optics.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 2:11 PM

It must be galling to Obama to have someone tell him to go kiss fluffy ducks, and there’s nothing Obama can do about it.

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 2:17 PM

The radical-socialist South American country announced its decision to scrap its tariff-free trading pact with the U.S. Thursday, in response to a warning from a U.S. senator that its arrangement — granted in 1991 in exchange for its help in the war on drugs — would be jeopardized if the country granted National Security Agency renegade Edward Snowden asylum there.

I’m shocked! I looked up the name of the Senator and it isn’t Senator Insane or Miss Lindsey. How did that happen?

No, its Carl Levin, who is retiring next year.

Resist We Much on June 30, 2013 at 2:17 PM

I had forgotten all about Biden until this…

OmahaConservative on June 30, 2013 at 2:06 PM

He’s been making a lot of noise lately. From just yesterday, in Virgina:

“With virtually zero support from the Republicans, the president and I have moved the country from the worst recession since the Great Depression to 38 months of private-sector growth”

Modest lout, no?

Del Dolemonte on June 30, 2013 at 2:18 PM

The terrorists won. obama helped them, all along.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2013 at 2:19 PM

It’s only taken 4 1/2 years to go from world superpower to “told off by Ecuador.”

viking01 on June 30, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Afterwards Correa flipped Slow Joe a herring and he clapped his fins. Owrk! Owrk!

viking01 on June 30, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Was the herring red?

Del Dolemonte on June 30, 2013 at 2:19 PM

It’s only taken 4 1/2 years to go from world superpower to “told off by Ecuador.”

viking01 on June 30, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Thread winner.

Resist We Much on June 30, 2013 at 2:20 PM

It’s only taken 4 1/2 years to go from world superpower to “told off by Ecuador.”

viking01 on June 30, 2013 at 2:19 PM

I could not make up the current case against the liberal ideals of equality if I had ten years and a bevy of fiction writers to assist me.

MelonCollie on June 30, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Sophie, see headline thread where you posted the climate link – another big hypocrisy is brewing…Vienna.

See the building where the NSA collects secretly from Vienna, here.

Or see up thread here…lots of fodder for your blog on more NSA and EU gov’t hypocrisy.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2013 at 2:21 PM

It’s only taken 4 1/2 years to go from world superpower to “told off by Ecuador.”

viking01 on June 30, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Thread winner.

Resist We Much on June 30, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Yup. That pretty much covers it.

BTW — Happy Sunday, Lady! :-)

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Ecuador sends aid to US

Ecuador has offered the US a $23 million grant to fund training for government officials in modern human rights theory.

The US has not yet accepted the offer of foreign aid.

Yes, they can.

obama made the US a potentate, a laughing stock of the world.

Nobel died again.

Freedom and liberty are diminished, the world over. obama is “Bushhitler” on steroids.

The fools is galivanting in Africa, at the tune of 100 million. Work harder, dummies.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2013 at 2:27 PM

BTW — Happy Sunday, Lady! :-)

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Who you calling lady? … and don’t call me surely…

Oh, never mind :)

viking01 on June 30, 2013 at 2:29 PM

viking01 on June 30, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Just because you’re the thread winner doesn’t mean you get any special privileges.

You have to buy me dinner and schmooze me first. A lot!

I may be cheap, but I’m not easy. ;-)

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Don’t I get at least a years supply of car wax or a free gold medallion from Disco Fashions?

viking01 on June 30, 2013 at 2:37 PM

o/t, but of interest…

Georgia Democratic Congressman Slams Cost Of Obama’s Trip To Africa While The IRS Sends $46 Million To Illegal Aliens At One Address In One Year

Resist We Much on June 30, 2013 at 2:18 PM

OT but THIS should be a freaking HEADLINE EVERY FREAKING PLACE!!!!!!

RealMc on June 30, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Don’t I get at least a years supply of car wax or a free gold medallion from Disco Fashions?

viking01 on June 30, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Yes, you do.

After title, taxes, fees, grandma, and everything else government can think of, you now owe HA $900.

Credit card or cash only. No checks accepted.

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 2:44 PM

It’s only “off topic” if it’s “on topic” at QOTD…

viking01 on June 30, 2013 at 2:44 PM

OT: Barky has hissy fit during presser in South Africa, complains about press corp asking too many questions at one time. Like a mommy at wit’s end, he told them to behave themselves.

Link to Breitbart

Too bad his teleprompter isn’t capable of answering questions too.

President Cry-Baby.

fogw on June 30, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Credit card or cash only. No checks accepted.

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Cold cash?
Let me call William Jefferson and see if he can check his freezer…

viking01 on June 30, 2013 at 2:46 PM

North or South Correa?

abobo on June 30, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Put on a pair of very sturdy pants.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2013 at 2:48 PM

viking01

BTW — That $900 you owe?

That’s taxable.

If you can afford to pay it, you owe on it.

The IRS is your friend!

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Biden and obama are now your gods, rubes and hicks.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2013 at 2:50 PM

If all were not so tragic it w/b hilariously risible.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2013 at 2:51 PM

North or South Correa?

abobo on June 30, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Chick Correa

A 70s singer.

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 2:53 PM

If you can afford to pay it, you owe on it.

The IRS is your friend!

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Yikes. The IRS! I’d better hide my kidneys….

I’m giving back the gold medallion. Gulp. Don’t need more car wax.

(as Ralph Kramden would say:

Hamina, hamina, hamina…….

viking01 on June 30, 2013 at 2:54 PM

If all were not so tragic it w/b hilariously risible.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2013 at 2:51 PM

The saddest thing about liberals is that they don’t realize they are their own schadenfreude.

Hence the line, “Ignorance is bliss.”

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Joe Biden has asked Ecuador to turn down an asylum request

Biden + asylum. The jokes write themselves.

faraway on June 30, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Yikes. The IRS! I’d better hide my kidneys….

I’m giving back the gold medallion. Gulp. Don’t need more car wax.

(as Ralph Kramden would say:

Hamina, hamina, hamina…….

viking01 on June 30, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Whoa, wait…you have kidneys?

Many people have none that work. That’s not fair.

You are going to be taxed for having more, and one of those kidneys needs to be taken from you.

We need to level the playing field, don’t you know?

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Isn’t this John (ketchup) Kerry’s job?

faraway on June 30, 2013 at 3:02 PM

If Snowden is a hacker, does this make Biden a cracker?

faraway on June 30, 2013 at 3:06 PM

…they’re letting Uncle Joe talk again?

KOOLAID2 on June 30, 2013 at 3:09 PM

Well, well, well.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Did I say kidneys? No, I meant liver, no that’s gone too…

About all I can spare for O’commiecare is a uvula. That’s about it and it’s barely hanging in there…

viking01 on June 30, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Eunuch in chief

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Uhoh…

Obama will have to get the IRS to Audit a Hispanic Politician…Bad Optics.

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 2:11 PM

It must be galling to Obama to have someone tell him to go kiss fluffy ducks, and there’s nothing Obama can do about it.

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Yeah.

*Popcorn*

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 3:38 PM

The terrorists won – you can’t make this stuff up.

Let them starve, or hang them…with muslim made ropes.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2013 at 3:47 PM

This is a big f-in deal.

Philly on June 30, 2013 at 3:49 PM

It’s only taken 4 1/2 years to go from world superpower to “told off by Ecuador.”

viking01 on June 30, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Ouch! That’s gotta hurt. Even the other socialist wannabe dictators are dissin’ poor little ‘Bammie.

yesiamapirate on June 30, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Send a Peruvian or Colombian tariff-free bud vase rose to Julian Assange at the London Ecuador Embassy to say thanks for shooting off you puppet theater-loving lips.

profitsbeard on June 30, 2013 at 3:53 PM

Irony escapes them

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Well, well, well.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2013 at 3:14 PM

…..and this surprises…………?

yesiamapirate on June 30, 2013 at 4:03 PM

OT…But shouldn’t Obama call for Morsi to step down?

I mean Arab Spring and all that…

“Tens of thousands of opponents of Egypt’s Islamist president massed in Cairo’s Tahrir Square and in cities around the country Sunday, launching an all-out push to force Mohammed Morsi from office on the one-year anniversary of his inauguration. Fears of violence were high, with Morsi’s Islamist supporters vowing to defend him.

Waving Egyptian flags, crowds packed Tahrir, the birthplace of the 2011 uprising that toppled autocrat Hosni Mubarak, and chants of “erhal!”, or “leave!” rang out…”

http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-protesters-gather-demand-morsis-ouster-093244528.html

workingclass artist on June 30, 2013 at 4:05 PM

…..and this surprises…………?

yesiamapirate on June 30, 2013 at 4:03 PM

NO, not at all. I was Never on Facebook. If you’re on it, get off…but it’s too late.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2013 at 4:07 PM

…..and this surprises…………?

yesiamapirate on June 30, 2013 at 4:03 PM

NO, not at all. I was Never on Facebook. If you’re on it, get off…but it’s too late.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Left FB and Google when all this mess started. Looking for a decent replacement for Yahoo! as well. Fortunately for me, I am a man with no vices. Don’t drink or smoke, unlucky at cards and love. That makes me the most boring man alive. After reading all my files, I can just imagine some poor NSA analyst running out into the Utah wilderness screaming “I can’t take this any more!”

yesiamapirate on June 30, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Your thug in chief

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2013 at 4:56 PM

yesiamapirate on June 30, 2013 at 4:31 PM

:)

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2013 at 4:57 PM

North or South Correa?

abobo on June 30, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Chick Correa

A 70s singer.

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 2:53 PM

lol, actually Uncle Chickie is a jazz pianist. Best known in the 70s for his fusion outfit, Return to Forever. Seen him live several times, but I’ve never seen him sing!

BTW today is Return to Forever’s amazing bass player Stanley Clarke’s 62nd birthday. Sheer genius, that man.

Del Dolemonte on June 30, 2013 at 4:58 PM

“friendly and very cordial” conversation?

Biden: “Listen you little pissant, you and your bast*ard Inca relatives can @#!#*&&??!! yourselves and your pissant country? Understood???

Rafael Correa: Que???

Biden: OK? Good. Didn’t have to bring in Trumka and his boys. Mighta got a bit unfriendly and uncordial.

Rafael Correa: Estúpido idiota.

Biden: Hasta pajamas to you, too.

coldwarrior on June 30, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Schad: Your multiple links, as well as RWM’s, are depressing the h*ll out of me. I knew it was bad but not this bad. We are owned by our masters.

onlineanalyst on June 30, 2013 at 5:50 PM

Some of our leaders seem twice as angry about Mr. Snowden as they were about the marathon bombers.

Did you hear Sens. McCain and Schumer this day on Fox News Sunday?

They had virtually identical answers. But…just answers?

No. They used the same vocabulary, the same tone, even the same level of annoyance with Russia and China.

And the threats were the same: “There must be a price…for putting a finger in the eye of the US.”

Did they ever think that maybe the Russians are disturbed about a movie some American made? How about Red Dawn II?

Let us do an ad buy and apologize, I say.

IlikedAUH2O on June 30, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Prediction: If Mr. Snowden goes to Ecuador, he will soon find himself in Arlington, Vriginia.

IlikedAUH2O on June 30, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Bradley Manning’s bosom buddy Edward Snowden is a filthy traitor.

Why is Ed trying to make this story about Obama and Biden?

Snowden has teamed up with and given all the documents to his fellow anti-American sleaze Julian Assange. Our country has been weakened and made less safe by Snowden.

Shame on many of you for having sanctified the traitor Edward Snowden.

bluegill on June 30, 2013 at 6:26 PM

Shame on many of you for having sanctified the traitor Edward Snowden.

bluegill on June 30, 2013 at 6:26 PM

Some of us read 1984.

IlikedAUH2O on June 30, 2013 at 6:28 PM

IlikedAUH2O on June 30, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Not sure about Snowden…but…

There’s lots of Ecuadorians in Arlington. Hondurans and Guatemalans, too, among other hermanos…all the way up to Leesburg and down past Quantico. If you “no hablo” there are places you do not go in NoVa.

coldwarrior on June 30, 2013 at 6:28 PM

coldwarrior on June 30, 2013 at 6:28 PM

LOL

Ok you win. I meant Alexandria Courthouse or Quantico.

IlikedAUH2O on June 30, 2013 at 6:33 PM

If Correa is willing to cut off his nose to spite his face over Snowden, why would anyone put valuable capital in play in Ecuador — especially when they could choose neighboring Peru or Colombia instead, which also have free-trade pacts? Forty-five percent of Ecuador’s exports come to the US, but a fresh set of tariffs will make those products a lot less competitive. That’s a high price to pay for the Isaias brothers and a short-term thumb in the eye of the Obama administration. It’s irrational and personal, two qualities that scare investors off. If I were Edward Snowden, I wouldn’t bet on that outcome … and maybe Julian Assange might want to consider that, too.

Maybe he thought it would work because it’s The One’s default operational mode on practically everything. Therefore, it would get him what he wanted from The One.

Then again, he might be just another batsh!t crazy leftist who dreams of ruling the world by pulling “brilliant” ideas based on socialist dogmas out of his a$$. That, too, is the One’s SOP.

Biden, in the middle, appears to have been doing what he always does. Namely, looking for a hatrack to which he can explain the alternate universe inside his pants.

It’s not that Slow Joe has a “split personality” (which is an outdated concept in psychiatry anyway). It’s just that at any given moment, he can’t decide whether he wants to pull taffy, go fishing without bait, or stand on his head and recite Lewis Carroll’s Jabberwocky, backward and in Urdu.

This bunch belongs in a Three Stooges short, not making decisions that can affect the entire world.

clear ether

eon

eon on June 30, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Shame on many of you for having sanctified the traitor Edward Snowden.

bluegill on June 30, 2013 at 6:26 PM

.
That hook in your mouth must taste awful. Bet it hurts too. What a shame. Can you feel it when I yank like this…?

ExpressoBold on June 30, 2013 at 7:03 PM

Barry, Hillary, and Joey couldn’t even pull off the Zelaya coup in Honduras. No wonder Ecuador doesn’t respect the administration.

Christien on July 1, 2013 at 12:54 AM

why would anyone put valuable capital in play in Ecuador — especially when they could choose neighboring Peru or Colombia instead, which also have free-trade pacts?

Especially when Ecuador does things like nationalize your assets, then press a kangaroo court to convict you of ecological crimes and fine you a few billion? Are we forgetting that bit?

GWB on July 1, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Did they ever think that maybe the Russians are disturbed about a movie some American made? How about Red Dawn II?

Let us do an ad buy and apologize, I say.

IlikedAUH2O on June 30, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Well, somebody needs to apologize for that movie……..

GWB on July 1, 2013 at 10:23 AM