Quotes of the day

posted at 9:31 pm on June 29, 2013 by Allahpundit

It had all the optics of a truly historic day. Vice President Joe Biden presided over the Senate vote that would reform the country’s broken immigration system and help provide a path to citizenship for 11 million people living here illegally. The gallery was full, including dozens of young Hispanic men and women wearing blue and orange shirts with slogans such as “11 Million Dreamers.”…

“We all gave. We all took. We all fought. We all smiled. And at the end of the day we held hands and walked out here together,” Schumer said. And at the end of the press conference, he walked arm-in-arm with McCain, very aware that a group of a half-dozen photographers were snapping their photos. For posterity. Or something…

“I just wish now I could go over to the House for a few months and work this out over there,” said Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona, a Republican member of the Gang, and recent defector from the House.

***

A senior White House official said the Senate’s 68-32 passage of a sweeping immigration bill on Thursday has created pressure for action in the GOP-led House.

“There is a national conversation happening about immigration reform. And there is a sense of momentum created by what the Senate just did. So we expect that conversation is going to continue,” said Cecilia Munoz, director of the White House Domestic Policy Council…

“[Y]ou’re talking about the business community, from the National Association of Manufacturers, to the U.S. Chamber, to the tech sector, small businesses, faith leaders of every kind, but also this conversation is happening locally in a different way in religious congregations, in communities around the country,” she said. “The country is for this and I think ultimately the House of Representatives will be too.”

***

Supporters say they are on the offensive now.

“The House has not felt our love yet,” said Eliseo Medina, the international secretary-treasurer of the Service Employees International Union, a leading labor group in the campaign for the overhaul. On Friday, more than 100 top organizers from unions, immigration groups and other organizations converged on Washington for a two-day session to strategize for the House debate.

Mr. Rodríguez, of the evangelical coalition, said Republicans who voted to block the overhaul could face future costs.

“We were at the edge of the Jordan River, but after the Senate, we officially got our feet wet,” he said. “If 11 million immigrants are left in the middle of the water and do not reach the promised land, neither will the Republican Party reach the promised land of the White House.”

***

Even though leadership usually would like far-right lawmakers to keep their mouths zipped when they talk about these issues, this time they plan to let the anti-immigration reform members run wild. They want to see exactly how many people agree with folks like Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa). From there, they’ll have a better sense of what kind of legislation is feasible…

“Lord only knows, two months ago there were two of us, maybe even only one of us,” King said of the anti-reform movement. “Today, you can count us by the dozens or the scores. We’ll see if that becomes a big enough number. I’m encouraged by the positions that I have seen taken by our leadership in that they want to see the majority of the majority support whatever we end up with. That’s a pretty good position to be in.”

Conservatives in the conference are going to talk a lot about trust. After the recent spate of scandals, why should anyone trust President Barack Obama to implement border security measures? And why should they trust Republican leadership not to trick them into passing what they consider amnesty?

“There’s got to be hard, fast rules, and not just guidelines, but targets that must be met,” said Rep. Tim Huelskamp, a Kansas Republican who tried and failed to depose Boehner earlier this year. “The idea of letting this administration define border security is like letting Bill Clinton define sexual relations.”

***

Until now the conversation about the bill’s congressional prospects has been a Lindsey Graham monologue with occasional Ted Cruz footnotes, as if the House didn’t have its own priorities and math.

This is the math.

Republicans currently control 234 of the House’s 435 voting districts. In 210 of these districts—eight short of the votes you need to elect a speaker—the Hispanic share of the vote is below 25 percent. Of the other 24 districts where Hispanic voters might be problematic for a Republican who attacks the immigration bill, 12 went for Mitt Romney over Barack Obama. So, if House Republicans held every one of their current seats that only have a tiny fraction of Hispanics, and the dozen with solid Hispanic votes but Republican tendencies, they’d have the majority with four votes to spare. “Nonwhite voters are a threat to Republican White House chances in 2016, but hardly a threat to the House Republican majority,” says David Wasserman, House race editor of the Cook Political Report…

Pro-reform scolds have known that for a while. “If people are only looking at their own little backyards, yes, there are a lot of Republicans who can afford to vote no with no immediate repercussions,” says Florida-based GOP strategist Ana Navarro. “Sure, if you’re in the middle of Iowa, you’ll be fine, but I’d like to think there are enough responsible adults in the Republican Party to pass a bill.”

***

The House GOP are watching their backs from potential primary opponents who would run to the right of them. If they supported a Senate immigration bill, it’s likely the challengers would emerge in droves to throw them out of office. At the same time, the House Republican leadership recognizes that if they don’t produce an immigration reform bill, the Democrats led by President Obama will continue to hammer them for being anti-Hispanic.

The key for House Republicans to protecting the already damaged GOP brand would be to produce a conservative immigration bill that will get 218 votes and make it into conference negotiations with the Senate. Lawmakers can tell their constituents that they voted for immigration reform that protected the rights of Americans while securing the border. It also somewhat dilutes the attacks from Democrats that Republicans are acting out of touch.

Both versions of immigration reform will be stuck in conference and as an election year quickly approaches, it’s going to be more difficult to reach a consensus. The blame game between both parties will ensue and voters will grimace once again about the gridlock in Washington.

***

KRISTOL: Sure, they could pass individual pieces of legislation or knit them together as they wish. That’s not going to be easy. This is a hard problem, and in some cases maybe deciding just to do nothing for now and revisit it in a year or two, but I hope they can pass pieces of legislation. I think the key then is to say, “Look, the Senate should take up this legislation.” The Senate could amend it, the Senate could send it back to us. That’s traditionally the way legislation often gets worked out. But we are not going to let you use as an excuse for going to conference some piece of border security legislation or guest worker legislation or high-tech visa legislation that we pass. Because once they go to conference, the Senate can dominate the conference, the few renegade House Republicans can team with House Democrats to end up with a conference report. Then the speaker’s in the position of is he not going to bring up a conference report? And once it gets to the floor, it can be passed with overwhelmingly Democratic votes in the House. So, it’s a little technical, I guess, as a legislative process matter, but I think it’s very important that House Republicans, on the one hand, put forward their own ideas, absolutely, but on the other hand, take the position: no capitulation to the Senate bill. I’d say no comprehensive legislation in the way comprehensive is being used — 1,200 page bill full of pork and exceptions and waivers and all that. So no capitulation, no comprehensive legislation and no conference with the Senate bill.

***

House Republicans are unmoved by the sense of urgency projected by immigration reform advocates. “The bottom line is it’s been since 1986 that there was legislation related to immigration reform. I don’t know what a couple more months is going to hurt,” said Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., who chairs the House Judiciary Committee’s Immigration Subcommittee…

Immigration-reform advocates are preparing to blame the House Republicans for blocking the Senate’s legislation if they fail to pass an immigration bill that would allow a House-Senate conference committee. If the House doesn’t pass legislation, activists will likely turn their attention to the administration next year, asking for more deferrals of deportation along the lines of last year’s deferred action program for “Dreamers,” unauthorized youth who were brought to the country as kids.

“The irony is that if House Republicans block immigration reform, in hopes of thwarting Obama and getting a bill more to their liking in the future, they will give Obama a chance to go down in history as the great emancipator of Latino immigrants,” said America’s Voice Executive Director Frank Sharry. “A future Democratic Congress and president will be able to pass reform with a path to citizenship without giving nearly as much as they’re prepared to give this year.”

***

But even in the face of this win-win, we are all dependent on House Republicans taking a page from Lindsey Graham’s profile in courage playbook going forward. There is plenty of upside economically for the nation and politically for the GOP, at least in terms of not permanently alienating the fastest growing demographic group in the nation.

But as with JFK’s original definition of profiles in courage, elected representatives must do what they know is right for the long-term fate of the nation in the face of potential short-term political risk from their constituents. That is the spirit Graham exemplified in the Senate on this bill. Now conservative colleagues in the House also will need to rise to the occasion. They can gird their courage with a practical realization: they will earn their rock-bottom approval ratings permanently if they cannot find a way to reason together to pass major legislation.

***

The 2012 exit polls show the country unhappy with the state of the union, disappointed with Barack Obama’s governance, disapproving of Obamacare, and generally inclined to think government should do less, not more. Yet Mitt Romney still lost—in no small part because voters believed that Obama, not Romney, cared about average people.

If Republicans are to win again, this is the image they must combat. Too many voters still see the GOP as a bunch of rich, aloof plutocrats. The most obvious way to address this problem is for Republicans to focus relentlessly on the middle-class squeeze that has afflicted the country for over a decade. Incomes have stagnated, while the costs of energy, health care, education, and other essentials have only grown. The result is that wages and salaries, adjusted for inflation and population, are lower today than any point since 1998…

The point is that the Gang of Eight bill hurts the Republican party in ways that are central to its long-term viability. The GOP is not going to thrive if it is perceived as conspiring to reduce wages, increase unemployment, give newly legalized immigrants a hiring advantage over citizens, or grant special favors to politically connected interests. If Republicans want to return to the political majority, they need to stand, forcefully and unequivocally, for the middle class and against special interests—and that means vigorously exposing the flaws in the Gang of Eight bill.

***

Via the Daily Caller.


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reform the country’s broken immigration system

For some time I have scored the media propaganda battlefield known as The Sunday Morning Political Talk Shows, and marveled at the thought that anyone takes these buffoons seriously. Good Lord…Candy Crowley, little Stephie and David Gregory? Child, please.

But this amnesty buffoonery beats anything I have ever seen. The group that “broke” our “broken immigration system” — i.e., the liberals who refuse to secure the border or follow U.S. government policy on immigration — using the term broken immigration system as though our policy is insane or we don’t have a policy at all.

I feel like screaming “Wait a minute you rotten mother-fukcers…you broke it! What a you talking about?!” Actually, I just did, didn’t I?

Newsflash, America: It’s not our fault that 20 million people snuck into the country and don’t want to leave.

It’s not our fault that the Democrat-controlled cities have declared themselves unrestrained by U.S. government policy and have opened their city limits to illegal aliens and are spending their citizens’ taxes on these illegals.

It’s not our fault that the liberals continue to give away other people’s money to non-citizens and have declared that there is some sort of pressure on America to legalize these illegals.

No. There isn’t. No matter how many times Miss Linzey cries and stammers and shakes his hands, or McCain calls his fellow Republicans bigots, or Rubio declares the current policy broken or unworkable, or the Democraps do what they do … it all remains bullsh!t, made up out of whole cloth.

They came here under this “broken system”; they can deal with it or leave. We are under zero pressure to accomodate illegals. We are under genuine pressure to reign in the liberals in government who wish to gut this country in favor of an uninvited, illegal, socialist mob. And I pray that House conservatives have that very clear in their minds right now.

Jaibones on June 29, 2013 at 11:10 PM

eon on June 29, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Liz Montgomery was best-looking in an old Twilight Zone episode when she had dark hair. YUM!

I actually met ‘Marcia Brady’ by accident one time. She looks taller on TV.

Liam on June 29, 2013 at 11:11 PM

If they are afraid to hold meetings, I guess we will just have to hold our own in front of their offices.

Barred on June 29, 2013 at 11:02 PM

Or their homes.

RickB on June 29, 2013 at 11:12 PM

At the same time, the House Republican leadership recognizes that if they don’t produce an immigration reform bill, the Democrats led by President Obama will continue to hammer them for being anti-Hispanic.

Really? The democrats will do this anyways, and the GOP will STILL not be able to counter it because of some inate fear of…something…I’m not sure what…but something.

SouthernGent on June 29, 2013 at 11:13 PM

Resist We Much on June 29, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Lolz. Cotton pickin’ funny.

SparkPlug on June 29, 2013 at 11:14 PM

Liam on June 29, 2013 at 10:26 PM

eon on June 29, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Barbara Gordon when she was working her other job.

Emma Peel

Janice Rand

Lieutenant Ellis

cozmo on June 29, 2013 at 11:15 PM

I may have asked you this before when you brought up ole Billy Clyde a while, but what’s the connection? The fact that he and Boehner are both slimy?

Btw, your name was invoked the other day regarding a discussion about Jethro. All roads lead to Hooterville.

TxAnn56 on June 29, 2013 at 11:05 PM

I said Trey Gowdy was a handsome version of Billy Clyde. You told me to quit drinking and get my stuff together or don’t come around here no more.

Yes Boehner leaves snail tracks when he walks.

Jethro was in Beverly Hills. I rooted and grew up in Pixley, near Hooterville.

love, arnold.

arnold ziffel on June 29, 2013 at 11:15 PM

Green acres was in Hooterville?

Mimzey on June 29, 2013 at 11:08 PM

Yes. Right down the road from Billy Jo, Bobbi Jo and Betty Jo.

TxAnn56 on June 29, 2013 at 11:15 PM

cozmo on June 29, 2013 at 11:15 PM

Janice Rand is a former alcoholic, who was so drunk on set at times she couldn’t do the scenes.

My biggest crush at that time was Angelique from Dark Shadows. I’d rush home after school for the show any way, and would be disappointed if she didn’t appear.

Liam on June 29, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Yes. Right down the road from Billy Jo, Bobbi Jo and Betty Jo.

TxAnn56 on June 29, 2013 at 11:15 PM

They were cute, but nothing could hold a candle to the “Cannonball Express”.

cozmo on June 29, 2013 at 11:20 PM

I said Trey Gowdy was a handsome version of Billy Clyde. You told me to quit drinking and get my stuff together or don’t come around here no more.

arnold ziffel on June 29, 2013 at 11:15 PM

Now I remember. You had had a little too much rheumatiz medicine. But I’d never banish you cuz farm livin is the life for me. Keep Manhattan but give me that country side. (Still applicable 40 years later)

TxAnn56 on June 29, 2013 at 11:20 PM

Janice Rand is a former alcoholic, who was so drunk on set at times she couldn’t do the scenes.

Liam on June 29, 2013 at 11:19 PM

So, it wasn’t like I wanted to have a conversation with her.

cozmo on June 29, 2013 at 11:21 PM

Yes. Right down the road from Billy Jo, Bobbi Jo and Betty Jo.

TxAnn56 on June 29, 2013 at 11:15 PM

Mmmm…Hooterville.

Mimzey on June 29, 2013 at 11:22 PM

So, it wasn’t like I wanted to have a conversation with her.

cozmo on June 29, 2013 at 11:21 PM

There’s that, yes.

I liked the episode Miri where she got horny and told Kirk, “You never look at my legs.” The the camera cut to her legs. ~S~

Liam on June 29, 2013 at 11:23 PM

Mmmm…Hooterville.

Mimzey on June 29, 2013 at 11:22 PM

That had to be an inside joke, the name of that town.

Liam on June 29, 2013 at 11:24 PM

Those old TV shows got a lot past the censors.

Liam on June 29, 2013 at 11:25 PM

With apologies to the Schoolhouse Rock classic: INTERJECTIONS!

The Gang of 8 was panned by all uh-huh
When rookie Chiesa had the ball
He made a connection
In Schumer’s direction
And the crowd started shoutin’ out in-ter-jections:

“Shit! Christie drafted YOU for Special Teams??”
“Gah! Flake, quit blockin’ for him you pheasant plucker!!”
“Hooray, my friends. I’m John McCain, and I approve this message.”

Im-mi-gration
To the House now
Gutierrez
And Paul Ryan
Hallelujah yeah!

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on June 29, 2013 at 11:25 PM

“And I want to warn the Republican Leadership about something. If I and millions of us decide to leave you; if I and millions of us – the conservative base, the constitutionalists, that taxpayers, the people who make this country work – if we decide to leave you, you’re finished. You’re kaput. You’ll never be in the majority again.

And God knows you’re provoking us.

~Mark Levin

TxAnn56 on June 29, 2013 at 11:28 PM

That had to be an inside joke, the name of that town.

Liam on June 29, 2013 at 11:24 PM

Must have been a lot of owls there or somethin’?

Mimzey on June 29, 2013 at 11:29 PM

Liam on June 29, 2013 at 11:23 PM

That’s one of the few “non-cool machine” episodes I can remember.

And the one when Batgirl got green.

cozmo on June 29, 2013 at 11:29 PM

My network’s going down for awhile after tonight. Not right this second though. Sophie, I’ll see you on Twitter and email or whatever. :)

Changes.

No rest for the wicked.

Axe on June 29, 2013 at 11:30 PM

TxAnn56 on June 29, 2013 at 11:28 PM

Rubio, Graham, and McCain think he’s talking out his azz.

Liam on June 29, 2013 at 11:30 PM

I guess Spark can just send brainwaves . . .

Axe on June 29, 2013 at 11:31 PM

And now a word from our precedent:
U.S. President likens Nelson Mandela to George Washington:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/29/obama-mandela-idUSL5N0F502K20130629

SheVee on June 29, 2013 at 11:32 PM

And the one when Batgirl got green.

cozmo on June 29, 2013 at 11:29 PM

As an Orion, yes!

Do you know the original tape had to be re-shot twice?

The tape editor thought the first and second time there was something wrong with the film, so he adjusted Yvonne Craig’s skin tone back to normal. They never thought to originally tell him her tone was supposed to be green.

If only I could have been the make-up artist to paint her body green…

Liam on June 29, 2013 at 11:33 PM

Yes. Right down the road from Billy Jo, Bobbi Jo and Betty Jo.

TxAnn56 on June 29, 2013 at 11:15 PM

.
They were cute, but nothing could hold a candle to the “Cannonball Express”.

cozmo on June 29, 2013 at 11:20 PM

.
Now that’s a “foamer” ! … (me too, BTW).

listens2glenn on June 29, 2013 at 11:35 PM

Eat your heat out libfree! You’ll never know the sweet magic of touching a soft beautiful woman. There’s nothing in the world like it!

Liam on June 29, 2013 at 11:37 PM

Liz Montgomery was best-looking in an old Twilight Zone episode when she had dark hair. YUM!

….
Liam on June 29, 2013 at 11:11 PM

When I was a young I though she was so beautiful and could not understand why she was not Miss America.

CW on June 29, 2013 at 11:37 PM

TxAnn56- yes, Louie Gohmert is the real thing, and he is not intimidated by the Republican ruling class. We live close to nac. SFA has a beautiful campus!

mobydutch on June 29, 2013 at 11:39 PM

When I was a young I though she was so beautiful and could not understand why she was not Miss America.

CW on June 29, 2013 at 11:37 PM

She was a total babe, that’s for sure.

My first lust object was Allison Hayes — the 50-foot woman. She was awesome in that bed sheet bikini.

Liam on June 29, 2013 at 11:40 PM

The President is trying to fundamentally change our country, and he is really doing a bang up job. The Republican leadership is trying to fundamentally change the party by ridding it of the undesirable, lowlife conservatives. We have a big battle to fight, and it is difficult when we are being slammed on both sides.

mobydutch on June 29, 2013 at 11:47 PM

Sexual Adventurism Collides With 25 Bike Cops, Mutual Shock Ensues

Resist We Much on June 29, 2013 at 10:06 PM

Ma’am, the owners of HA are trying to run a nice, respectable establishment. If you keep acting this way they are going to ask you to stay.

arnold ziffel on June 29, 2013 at 11:48 PM

TxAnn56- yes, Louie Gohmert is the real thing, and he is not intimidated by the Republican ruling class. We live close to nac. SFA has a beautiful campus!

mobydutch on June 29, 2013 at 11:39 PM

I called his office yesterday when I was off and said I was callng to thank him in advance since he’ll be on the front lines.

I graduated from SFA. College among the pines. The town has really grown since I was there 30 something years ago. SFA was the birthplace of my activism when I volunteered on Reagan’s ’76 primary campaign. Good times, good times.

*wipes tear from eye thinking of how far down we’ve spiraled*

TxAnn56 on June 29, 2013 at 11:50 PM

If politicians in Washington don’t have the spine to stand against LaRaza now, what makes anybody believe they’ll stand up for border security later, once all those prospective votes are actually in the pipeline?

They’re lying to us. They’ve been lying all along.

Murf76 on June 29, 2013 at 11:51 PM

Ma’am, the owners of HA are trying to run a nice, respectable establishment. If you keep acting this way they are going to ask you to stay.

arnold ziffel on June 29, 2013 at 11:48 PM

But what about girl-crazy lesbians-trapped-in-a-male-body folks like me?

I mean, I may be cheap but I’m not easy. :-(

Liam on June 29, 2013 at 11:52 PM

Ma’am, the owners of HA are trying to run a nice, respectable establishment. If you keep acting this way they are going to ask you to stay.

arnold ziffel on June 29, 2013 at 11:48 PM

Still trying to figure out how that other couple knocked themselves out a window. I understand the window gave way. What I don’t understand is what it gave way to exactly.

Axe on June 29, 2013 at 11:52 PM

Still trying to figure out how that other couple knocked themselves out a window. I understand the window gave way. What I don’t understand is what it gave way to exactly.

Axe on June 29, 2013 at 11:52 PM

Look at the pic, again.

What happened to the person on the bike???

Resist We Much on June 29, 2013 at 11:53 PM

Ma’am, the owners of HA are trying to run a nice, respectable establishment. If you keep acting this way they are going to ask you to stay.

arnold ziffel on June 29, 2013 at 11:48 PM

Which reminds me, is twerp still in time out or as Super Nanny would say, in the naughty chair?

TxAnn56 on June 29, 2013 at 11:55 PM

Ma’am, the owners of HA are trying to run a nice, respectable establishment. If you keep acting this way they are going to ask you to stay.

arnold ziffel on June 29, 2013 at 11:48 PM

Well, I’d better behave myself…

Report: Chinese Police Rescue ‘Fantasy Girl’ … Still ‘Non-Responsive,’ But Back At Work

Resist We Much on June 29, 2013 at 11:55 PM

“We all gave. We all took. We all fought. We all smiled. And at the end of the day we held hands and walked out here together,” Schumer said. And at the end of the press conference, he walked arm-in-arm with McCain, very aware that a group of a half-dozen photographers were snapping their photos. For posterity. Or something…

What a bunch of posteriors!

“I just wish now I could go over to the House for a few months and work this out over there,” said Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona, a Republican member of the Gang, and recent defector from the House.

Flake is a perfect name for Jeff, as Blow is perfect for Charles Blow.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2013 at 12:05 AM

Flake is a perfect name for Jeff, as Blow is perfect for Charles Blow.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2013 at 12:05 AM

What’s in a name?

Everything

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 12:08 AM

What happened to the person on the bike???

Resist We Much on June 29, 2013 at 11:53 PM

The story says the couple died, makes no mention of another death. For discussion, we can let the biker live. :)

So, you are riding along on your bike, right? –lol

Wait–

You are in the hospital, right? Your head’s bandaged, medical staff roaming around. You grab your cell phone.

“I’m in the hospital.”

“O No! What happened?”

“Um — “

Axe on June 30, 2013 at 12:10 AM

Flake is a perfect name for Jeff, as Blow is perfect for Charles Blow.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2013 at 12:05 AM

It gets worse if your last name is Fluke.

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 12:13 AM

Axe on June 30, 2013 at 12:10 AM

It is sort of a glaring omission, isn’t it? It’s not like the bike was leaning up against anything or in a bike rack. There’s just an, obviously, upset bicycle, a pool of blood and two dead bodies.

BTW, Angry Mike says that the couple obviously ‘bounced’ when they hit the pavement.

lolz

Resist We Much on June 30, 2013 at 12:16 AM

A group of atheists from New Jersey sued a small north Florida town, which is conservative and predominantly Christian, and today erected a ‘bench’ as a monument to atheism next to a granite slab which has the Ten Commandments etched upon it. The ‘bench’ has several quotes on it, incuding some from the woman who started this particular atheist sect, and passages from the Bible ( Old Testament)detailing the punishment for breaking the Commandments, including stoning and death. The leader of the atheist sect commented that the Bible directed that he and his followers should be killed for breaking the Commandments.

In my opinion, this story emphasizes what is wrong with a great many people in this nation today. Why would atheists from NEW JERSEY take it upon themselves to erect a monument TO THEMSELVES in the midst of a town full of strangers in another state? I believe that the atheist group needs to learn to MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS.

How rude is it to travel to someone else’s state, and cause a civil disturbance, erect what most in that town consider an eyesore, all to suit their own vanity and express their pent up anger at those who have faith when those people have done them no harm at all, in fact, didn’t even know that the people in the offending atheist group existed?

If this group had erected the monument to thier ego’s in their own town in New Jersey, I wouldn’t be posting this, but the fact is they took it upon themselves to travel to the homes of strangers expressley to offend them.

How… LEFTIST of them.

thatsafactjack on June 30, 2013 at 12:20 AM

I would like to posit a theory from something in a song I saw a few years ago. You don’t have to take your clothes off to have a good time. But if you do, things might go even better for you or worse, depending on your point of view. Thanks

arnold ziffel on June 30, 2013 at 12:22 AM

I would like to posit a theory from something in a song I saw a few years ago. You don’t have to take your clothes off to have a good time. But if you do, things might go even better for you or worse, depending on your point of view. Thanks

arnold ziffel on June 30, 2013 at 12:22 AM

True, but the guy on the bike got f*cked, but he didn’t get laid. lol

Resist We Much on June 30, 2013 at 12:25 AM

thatsafactjack on June 30, 2013 at 12:20 AM

Hell has all kinds of fury, and no limits.

The closer it gets to the end of Satan’s rule, the worse he is going to be.

He wants back into God’s Grace, and that can never be. All e has left is to lash out.

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 12:26 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on June 30, 2013 at 12:28 AM

If Republicans are to win again, this is the image they must combat. Too many voters still see the GOP as a bunch of rich, aloof plutocrats.

“Rich, aloof plutocrats” are the very ones in the GOP that are supporting amnesty (Senators, consultants and donors

0. Amnesty benefits rich crony capitalists. It harms the middle class and the poor.

bw222 on June 30, 2013 at 12:28 AM

Eat your heat out libfree! You’ll never know the sweet magic of touching a soft beautiful woman. There’s nothing in the world like it!

Liam on June 29, 2013 at 11:37 PM

rofl, you mean pulled pork ain’t as good?

arnold ziffel on June 30, 2013 at 12:30 AM

In my opinion, this story emphasizes what is wrong with a great many people in this nation today. Why would atheists from NEW JERSEY take it upon themselves to erect a monument TO THEMSELVES in the midst of a town full of strangers in another state? I believe that the atheist group needs to learn to MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS.

thatsafactjack on June 30, 2013 at 12:20 AM

Obviously, you’ve never been to New Jersey. The state has more pr!cks than a rose bush.

bw222 on June 30, 2013 at 12:32 AM

. . . knocked out a window . . . Weak exhibitionism, maybe. And the park would be real exhibitionism.

You know, it really doesn’t require tools and exotic locations when you are getting it right. Just mentioning.

And I wish you people would stop reminding me that sex exists.

Speaking of here and there,

How… LEFTIST of them.

thatsafactjack on June 30, 2013 at 12:20 AM

Evening, Jackie. :)

I saw that story. I’ll forgo trying to clearly distinguish between people that hate religious people and people that don’t, because I quit last night.

Axe on June 30, 2013 at 12:32 AM

The two-faced creeps of Europe:

They mope about the GSA, but

They make secret deals with DC

Hopefully tyranny will engulf all, soon.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2013 at 12:33 AM

rofl, you mean pulled pork ain’t as good?

arnold ziffel on June 30, 2013 at 12:30 AM

You just had to go ruin pulled pork in sandwiches for me, didn’t you?

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 12:33 AM

Too many voters still see the GOP as a bunch of rich, aloof plutocrats.

During WWII, Hitler used to refer to the UK as ‘The land of the plutocrats.’

Of course, Britain took a different view of the situation and replied ‘No, we consider ourselves to be ‘The land of the free.’

Resist We Much on June 30, 2013 at 12:34 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on June 30, 2013 at 12:28 AM

*hat-tip*

Axe on June 30, 2013 at 12:34 AM

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 12:26 AM

This is the epitomy of Leftist doctrine. They are determined to force everyone else to (A) pay attention to them continuosly because they truly do believe that the cozmos spins around them, and (B) live exactly as they dictate, because they are convinced that they, and they alone, should be the sole arbiters of what is right and what is wrong. Anything that they want is automatically ‘right’ and everything they cannot be, comprehend, or live up to, is ‘wrong’.

thatsafactjack on June 30, 2013 at 12:36 AM

Why would atheists from NEW JERSEY take it upon themselves to erect a monument TO THEMSELVES in the midst of a town full of strangers in another state? I believe that the atheist group needs to learn to MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS.

Impertinent leftists have no manners.

Speaking of hacks

“Ladies and gentlemen, we stand for equal rights and women’s rights,” Biden said. “With virtually zero support from the Republicans, the president and I have moved the country from the worst recession since the Great Depression to 38 months of private-sector growth.”

Evening Jackie – you were missed.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2013 at 12:37 AM

(B) live exactly as they dictate

thatsafactjack on June 30, 2013 at 12:36 AM

And in the name of freedom.

Axe on June 30, 2013 at 12:37 AM

Of course, Britain took a different view of the situation and replied ‘No, we consider ourselves to be ‘The land of the free.’

Resist We Much on June 30, 2013 at 12:34 AM

If it wasn’t for you Brits holding out till we got involved, we might be having this discussion in German.

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 12:37 AM

I predict that this thread will not be as long as usual BECAUSE OF AUTO-PLAY.

Resist We Much on June 29, 2013 at 9:33 PM

Agree 100%.

bw222 on June 30, 2013 at 12:38 AM

I’ve decided that Alec Baldwin IS the poster boy of the LEFT.

Foul-mouthed elitist, self centered, bigoted, prejudiced, idiot, who believes firmly that all rules of civilized society do not apply to him or his family, and, when called out on his rants and cheap, vulgar, behavior…denies it ever happened.

thatsafactjack on June 30, 2013 at 12:39 AM

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2013 at 12:37 AM

Good evening, my friend.:) I missed you guys, too. :)

thatsafactjack on June 30, 2013 at 12:40 AM

thatsafactjack on June 30, 2013 at 12:36 AM

Yes, liberals are horrid. Not only because they fail all the time, but because they never learn.

For a saving grace…

We have God.

They don’t.

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 12:41 AM

Axe on June 30, 2013 at 12:37 AM

Yes… theirs… at the expense of everyone else’s.

Good evening, Axefellow. Wonderful to see you. :)

thatsafactjack on June 30, 2013 at 12:41 AM

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 12:41 AM

Good evening, Liam. :) They’re truly a miserable lot.

thatsafactjack on June 30, 2013 at 12:42 AM

but after the Senate, we officially got our feet wet,” he said

Good thing he stopped with just getting their feet wet or he would have been banned from HA.

bw222 on June 30, 2013 at 12:42 AM

Dire Straits on June 30, 2013 at 12:28 AM

Good evening, Dire. :) Great to see you. :)

thatsafactjack on June 30, 2013 at 12:43 AM

Good thing he stopped with just getting their feet wet or he would have been banned from HA.

bw222 on June 30, 2013 at 12:42 AM

lol . . . took me too long to get that joke. :)

Axe on June 30, 2013 at 12:43 AM

How… LEFTIST of them.

thatsafactjack on June 30, 2013 at 12:20 AM

Here’s another one – gays are suing bakeries and other stores if they object to provide them goods/services, for religious or any private businesses’ right to “not serve anyone” reasons.

The rationale “we’re ok with a church objecting because then we can go to another church; we have choices; however, it’s discriminatory for stores bla, bla, bla…”

Idiots, there are hundreds of stores for anything.

However, the churches will be sued next, no doubt.

Leftists are always tyrannical thugs. Period.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2013 at 12:43 AM

Resist We Much on June 30, 2013 at 12:34 AM

Being the photoshop guru that you are, in general, how difficult would it be to replace Paul Ryan’s head in this picture? I could call it Hanoi Janesville. It would also be appropriate to put Rubio’s head on there. Bmore is back in 10 days and is going to whip me up a Boehner and Ryan peso, so maybe I’ll see if he can add this to the tab.

TxAnn56 on June 30, 2013 at 12:44 AM

bw222 on June 30, 2013 at 12:32 AM

Actually, I have. I have a colleague who lives in Princeton, and you’re absolutely right about ‘The Garden State’. :)

thatsafactjack on June 30, 2013 at 12:44 AM

During WWII, Hitler used to refer to the UK as ‘The land of the plutocrats.’

Resist We Much on June 30, 2013 at 12:34 AM

WWII Documentary tonight, perchance? :)

I realize it could be anything.

Axe on June 30, 2013 at 12:45 AM

I’ve decided that Alec Baldwin IS the poster boy of the LEFT.

Foul-mouthed elitist, self centered, bigoted, prejudiced, idiot, who believes firmly that all rules of civilized society do not apply to him or his family, and, when called out on his rants and cheap, vulgar, behavior…denies it ever happened.

thatsafactjack on June 30, 2013 at 12:39 AM

Classic mark of an abuser.

I would NEVER leave a message to my 9 year old daughter like he did on her birthday.

I’d never treat her that way on any day. I wouldn’t even talk to my ex the way Alec Baldwin treated his little girl.

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 12:45 AM

Without victims and victimization the leftists w/b but a few thugs.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2013 at 12:46 AM

Good evening, Liam. :) They’re truly a miserable lot.

thatsafactjack on June 30, 2013 at 12:42 AM

Hello to you, too!

Liberals are horrid little monsters, always looking for a place to ‘be’ and ‘happen’.

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 12:47 AM

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2013 at 12:43 AM

Yes, they are. Which is why you are absolutely right to insist that terms like ‘liberal’ and ‘progressive’ are no longer used in connection with these calculating, manipulting, chiseling, cheating, liars and thugs. They’ve sought to clothe themselves in kinder, softer, terms far too long.

thatsafactjack on June 30, 2013 at 12:47 AM

I’m running to catch up, so please excuse if I’m behind the curve.

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 12:48 AM

WWII Documentary tonight, perchance? :)

I realize it could be anything.

Axe on June 30, 2013 at 12:45 AM

Yep. I had forgotten about it, but it’s beautiful. It works for the Left, too, which is always complaining about capitalism and plutocrats. (Bear in mind that I don’t support crony capitalism AT ALL, but if someone because successful, that doesn’t mean he’s a ‘plutocrat’)

Doc is ‘A People’s War.’

Resist We Much on June 30, 2013 at 12:49 AM

True, but the guy on the bike got f*cked, but he didn’t get laid. lol

Resist We Much on June 30, 2013 at 12:25 AM

You are awesome. Guess I missed that part. Just liked the melody. :)

arnold ziffel on June 30, 2013 at 12:51 AM

Now ‘The Forgotten Blitz’

Resist We Much on June 30, 2013 at 12:51 AM

Axe on June 30, 2013 at 12:34 AM

*tips fedora*..:)

Dire Straits on June 30, 2013 at 12:51 AM

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 12:45 AM

My point exactly. No civilized person, capable of loving anyone other than himself, could behave so reprehensibly. The man gives vulgarity a bad name. He’s a brute and fool.

Today, Anderson Cooper asked “Why is Alec Baldwin given a pass for his gay slurs?”

Perhaps we won’t have to suffer his rants much longer.

thatsafactjack on June 30, 2013 at 12:52 AM

We may be saved by the real conservatives in the House. Here’s hoping they hold firm and don’t drink whatever koolaid Rubio did.

gophergirl on June 29, 2013 at 9:59 PM

Most of them don’t have dreams of becoming the first Hispanic President. In fact, 90% of them aren’t capable of becoming the first Hispanic President.

bw222 on June 30, 2013 at 12:52 AM

thatsafactjack on June 30, 2013 at 12:43 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on June 30, 2013 at 12:53 AM

here’s a charming peek into barrycare. Leftists H8 docs, and the RINOs…well, they are showboats who jump to their own clients needs.

this article points out that lawyers make a ton of money too…but crickets from the Left.

I feel sorry for the medical profession. The docs i’ve been to all seem hard working and smart…which is more or less opposite of your average leftist punk

Last year, the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission proposed to cut what Medicare pays specialists and then freezing these lower rates for years. Under that plan, everyone except primary-care docs would see payments for their services cut by 5.9 percent a year for three years (totaling a 16.7 percent cut in income), followed by a seven-year freeze at the reduced levels. Primary-care providers would have their reimbursement rates frozen at today’s pay levels for the whole decade.

While these are just proposals, they have to be taken seriously. The Medicare Commission’s recommendations are typically a harbinger of future policy decisions.

http://www.aei.org/article/health/healthcare-reform/ppaca/doctors-will-have-to-take-a-pay-cut-under-obamacare?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=062913

we can only speculate why the H8…i suppose it is simply envy…the enby of smarts and hard work. Envy is something that the left does well at.

r keller on June 30, 2013 at 12:53 AM

TxAnn, I can only chop off heads (maybe I was a sans-culotte in a previous life – lol). I can’t put them on. I’d love to help you, but Bmore is your guy.

Resist We Much on June 30, 2013 at 12:54 AM

Auto play ads blow..:(

Dire Straits on June 30, 2013 at 12:54 AM

Actually, I have. I have a colleague who lives in Princeton, and you’re absolutely right about ‘The Garden State’. :)

thatsafactjack on June 30, 2013 at 12:44 AM

Don’t you mean “The Garbage State?”

bw222 on June 30, 2013 at 12:55 AM

thatsafactjack on June 30, 2013 at 12:52 AM

The Left will still give him a pass. All he needs to do is say something liberal, and he’ll be praised out the wazoo.

“So what he said that? It was a long time ago. Hey — what about Bush? Do you dare think he didn’t make any mistakes?”

I used to be very liberal. I know ahead of time what they’ll say, generally speaking.

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 12:56 AM

bw222 on June 30, 2013 at 12:52 AM

Let’s not underestimate Marco Rubio’s dreams. I think he aspires to not only be the “First Hispanic President” but also “The Hispanic Abe Lincoln” while he’s at it. Obama thought he could garner that for himself, since he’s “The One” and got Obamacare rammed down our throats….and his promise to the Hispanic community since beore his first election was that he’d grant AMNESTY during the first year of his first term…. instead he chose to let them dangle… until now…. hence all of the comparisons from him and his team between him and Lincoln… but Rubio doubtless feels it’s a role to which he’s far better suited.

thatsafactjack on June 30, 2013 at 12:57 AM

Now ‘The Forgotten Blitz’

Resist We Much on June 30, 2013 at 12:51 AM

:) You do YouTube — or at least it looks like you are doing YouTube — exactly like I do. I found the one, bookmarked for tomorrow, then found the other on the side bar.

Only you are way more boring.

Axe on June 30, 2013 at 1:01 AM

Liam on June 30, 2013 at 12:56 AM

I’d have agreed with you except for the fact that the gay debate is so very fresh,this coming literally on the heels of that Supreme Court decision, and also the fact that Baldwin has no self control, he’ll never stop, and he’s already done this sort of thing many time over. Let’s face it, Liam, even the LEFT can decide that someone is simply too great a liability, particuarly when money is involved, and cut them out of the herd.

I don’t expect it to be public in the least. I simply think that the Baldwin’s will suddenly find that their social calender becomes much more vacant. Any dreams of political career he harbored are effectively over, since he’s a major polical liability if Rahm Emanuel is right and the gays are the ‘new Jews of fundraising’.

Besides, gays are looking to wield thier new power. This is a great opportunity, within the Left’s community, to flex that newly confirmed muscle.

thatsafactjack on June 30, 2013 at 1:04 AM

thatsafactjack on June 30, 2013 at 12:43 AM

Or Rubio could just simply be wrong in this instance..:)

Dire Straits on June 30, 2013 at 1:07 AM

Only you are way more boring.

Axe on June 30, 2013 at 1:01 AM

I’m a history and info addict. I don’t have to even watch. I just listen when I am doing other things. I always have some kind of educational programme on in the background. Even if I am not paying close attention, the info still comes in and I remember it.

It’s kind of like my version of a ‘photographic memory’ or something.

Resist We Much on June 30, 2013 at 1:07 AM

I’d cue up some tunes… but let’s face it.. autoplay makes it difficult to listen unless you have flashblock. :(

thatsafactjack on June 30, 2013 at 1:07 AM

Dire Straits on June 30, 2013 at 1:07 AM

LOL! well… I’d certainly agree with that assessment. :)

thatsafactjack on June 30, 2013 at 1:08 AM

I’d cue up some tunes… but let’s face it.. autoplay makes it difficult to listen unless you have flashblock. :(

thatsafactjack on June 30, 2013 at 1:07 AM

We need to write them repeated e-mails to stop it!!!

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2013 at 1:11 AM

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