Oversight: Lerner waived her 5th Amendment rights, will have to testify

posted at 11:31 am on June 29, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

The controversy over Lois Lerner’s exercise of her 5th Amendment rights started almost as soon as she invoked them.  By professing her innocence in a statement before refusing to answer questions, Republicans charged that she had waived her right to remain silent — a view taken by some constitutional scholars as well. Yesterday, the House Oversight Committee ruled that Lerner had waived her right against self-incrimination, and will call her back to testify under oath:

The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee passed a resolution today finding that senior IRS official Lois Lerner waived her Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate herself at a hearing last month.

Lerner, the IRS director of Exempt Organizations who is at the center of the IRS political targeting controversy, refused to answer questions from members of the committee at the May 22 hearing.

The resolution passed down party lines, 22-17. The vote today means the committee’s subpoena remains in effect, although a date for Lerner’s next appearance, where she will retain the right to once again invoke her Fifth Amendment right, has not been announced.

Democrats opposed the resolution, demanding a hearing on the matter to hear testimony from experts on the matter.  Republican committee member and former prosecutor Trey Gowdy scoffed at the demand, saying that “I don’t need law professors to come for a second hearing and read me the case law. … You don’t get to tell your side of the story and then avoid the very process that we have in this system for eliciting the truth.”

The subpoena remains in force, assuming a court challenge doesn’t overturn it.  If courts refuse to intervene, Lerner will eventually have to show up — although it’s far from clear that the outcome will be any different.  Her attorney insists that Lerner will once again refuse to answer questions on the basis of potential self-incrimination.  This time she might be a little smarter about it by keeping her mouth shut, but under the same conditions as her first appearance, the outcome will almost certainly be identical.

What if the circumstances were different?  National Review’s Eliana Johnson reports that Oversight may want to cut a deal for some limited immunity to get Lerner to talk:

Committee chairman Darrell Issa suggested he is poised to call Lois Lerner back to Capitol Hill in the wake of a House Oversight Committee vote on Friday that found she waived her Fifth Amendment right not to testify about the IRS’s targeting of tea-party groups. “The Committee remains focused on hearing Ms. Lerner’s full and truthful testimony,” the Republican congressman said in a statement.

Lerner, the former head of the IRS’s Exempt Organizations division, professed innocence before the committee in May before pleading the Fifth, setting off a debate about whether she had waived her rights. …

A source familiar with the Oversight Committee’s proceedings, tells National Review Online that Issa is “dubious” Lerner will testify willingly. The committee, says the source, ”would hear any offer from Ms. Lerner or her attorney” in order to facilitate her testimony; that could include an offer of limited immunity in exchange for it.

Are they ready for that kind of a deal, though? Right now, the only solid indication that Lerner should fear criminal prosecution was her flawed attempt to take the 5th. Unless the committee has a smoking gun showing Lerner’s guilt of an actual crime, I think this is a long shot.  Perhaps they may just let Lerner cool her heels and work to develop a case around her, putting her in a position where all her escape routes are cut off except cooperating under an immunity grant.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink … unless you make sure it’s very thirsty by the time it gets there.

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For Lerner to get immunity, there has to be a bigger fish.

unclesmrgol on June 29, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Make the b!tch rot in jail until she answers the questions. Plain and simple. She will get no sympathy.

Flange on June 29, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Ah bummer

gophergirl on June 29, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Of course you can’t give a statement then refuse to answer questions. Doesn’t she watch reruns of “The Rockford Files”?

Then you have Godfather II. Michael gave an opening statement, and then testified. Though, later, there were complications. Lerner can fall back on this consolation, this possibility: If anything in this life is certain, if history has taught us anything, it is that the IRS can audit anyone.

Paul-Cincy on June 29, 2013 at 11:41 AM

We must use her to uncover the trail to other agencies doing the same thing.

faraway on June 29, 2013 at 11:45 AM

She can remain silent now for a promised prezzy pardon later, if it ever comes to that. It would save us all a lot of time and money if she fessed up now, but we all know that’s not how it works in a cesspool.

Kissmygrits on June 29, 2013 at 11:45 AM

I’m sorry but this woman needs to be investigated. She has a pattern and performed this same service for the Left when she worked at the FEC. And she does her dirty work using taxpayer money. No immunity until the country knows the truth. All of it.

Cindy Munford on June 29, 2013 at 11:51 AM

The State Run Media is so far in the tank they are defending/protecting the IRS…

d1carter on June 29, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Democrats opposed the resolution, demanding a hearing on the matter to hear testimony from experts on the matter.

They have no shame any longer about treating our citizenry like serfs and our laws as trash to be stomped on, I guess.

So……..the Democrats just really don’t care about truth being heard, you say?

Can they scream, “Crooked bunch of lying busterds!” any louder?

Seems they have no fear of looking like default criminals any more.
Every one of those thugs that opposed her not being able to take the 5th need to be rounded up, scourged, and thown into jail.

Away with this elite goon squad gentry class that seeks to overthrow this nation!

avagreen on June 29, 2013 at 11:52 AM

If they grant her immunity, then she simply takes the blame; saves everyone above her pay grade who knew this was going on.

BKeyser on June 29, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Taking the 5th doesn’t mean she’s not guilty. If she won’t talk, the buck stops with her and she can be a liberal martyr in prison.

rhombus on June 29, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Let’s not forget her history that dates back so far to 1996…

Under the direction of Lois Lerner, the Federal Election Commission sued the Christian Coalition in the 1990s. She harassed the Christian Coalition for three election cycles. Eventually, she lost her case. At one point Lerner even asked a conservative if Pat Robertson prayed over him. (Sound familiar?)

Then there’s this…
Lois Lerner made this offer to Republican Senate candidate Al Salvi in 1996,
“Promise me you will never run for office again, and we’ll drop this case.”

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/05/breaking-lois-lerner-told-republican-in-1996-promise-me-you-will-never-run-again-and-well-drop-this-fec-case/

Drained Brain on June 29, 2013 at 12:05 PM

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Whaddaya mean I can’t grandstand during my opening statement about how innocent and wonderful I am and then take the 5th?

JimLennon on June 29, 2013 at 12:06 PM

No, you don’t cut a deal with her. You cut a deal with employees around her and get them to roll on her and send her to prison.

HopeHeFails on June 29, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Make the b!tch rot in jail until she answers the questions. Plain and simple. She will get no sympathy.

Flange on June 29, 2013 at 11:39 AM

with Aaron Hernandez.

22044 on June 29, 2013 at 12:08 PM

What are those evil Republicans trying to do by adhering to the law — give the Left a collective heart attack?

(please say ‘yes’?)

Liam on June 29, 2013 at 12:08 PM

“I don’t need law professors to come for a second hearing and read me the case law. … You don’t get to tell your side of the story and then avoid the very process that we have in this system for eliciting the truth.” – Trey Gowdy

This Kabuki Theater nonsense is all that the Leftists have remaining in their quiver. The Dark Dems (especially the slobbering Congressman from Alabammy) are dumber than sticks. Most everyone familiar with the Constitution, and proper Court procedure, knows that Lerner crossed the line. Being a Leftist does not give her a pass.
QUESTION: “When will the actors in this corrupt cabal be charged with perjury?
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on June 29, 2013 at 12:09 PM

My take:

1. Lerner’s azs
2. Nails
3. Wall

Assembly required, as per the law.

Liam on June 29, 2013 at 12:10 PM

And she’s still pulling $3,500 a week!

Ted Torgerson on June 29, 2013 at 12:13 PM

No, you don’t cut a deal with her. You cut a deal with employees around her and get them to roll on her and send her to prison.

HopeHeFails on June 29, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Yep. This. She doesn’t want to play ball, fine. There’s more than one way to skin a cat.

av8tr on June 29, 2013 at 12:16 PM

And she’s still pulling $3,500 a week!

Ted Torgerson on June 29, 2013 at 12:13 PM

On leave!

Liam on June 29, 2013 at 12:17 PM

All bark, no bite.

Prove me wrong.

joekenha on June 29, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Yep. This. She doesn’t want to play ball, fine. There’s more than one way to skin a cat.

av8tr on June 29, 2013 at 12:16 PM

According to the robot from Lost In Space, there are sixteen. :-)

Liam on June 29, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Congress may find her in contempt if she refuses to answer questions.

Punishment?

Does anyone actually think Holder’s DOJ will do anything?

GarandFan on June 29, 2013 at 12:20 PM

No, you don’t cut a deal with her. You cut a deal with employees around her and get them to roll on her and send her to prison.

HopeHeFails on June 29, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Dingdingding. This has been plan B for LEO’s since organized police forces were started because it works.

Her minions don’t have the same protection or pay as her. Wring them until they squeal (and they WILL) with everything they know and everything they THINK they know to save their hides.

MelonCollie on June 29, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Does anyone actually think Holder’s DOJ will do anything?

GarandFan on June 29, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Circumvent Holder. Issa can call a Federal judge to issue a warrant for arrest on the charge of contempt of Congress, and have the judge send US Marshals after her.

Liam on June 29, 2013 at 12:22 PM

No, you don’t cut a deal with her. You cut a deal with employees around her and get them to roll on her and send her to prison.

HopeHeFails on June 29, 2013 at 12:07 PM

For weeks, I’ve heard Krauthammer on Special Report yammering that the committee needs to give Lerner use immunity blah, blah, blah. When he first said, they’d barely begun interviewing people. About two or three weeks ago, I read that the committee has as many as 88 people lined up for interviews. So, I think there are at least two reasons the committee hasn’t thrown her immunity. First, they have been and still are trying to determine the extent of the scandal and who likely is involved. Second, Lerner is such a (sorry, ladies) ****, the committee would like to stick it to her by finding a more sympathetic figure to whom it can offer immunity.

I think Krauthammer is crazy. Issa will never grant Lerner immunity.

BuckeyeSam on June 29, 2013 at 12:30 PM

The whole dam Congress is filled with lawyers, and Democrats say they don’t have enough expertise to know what the law is? They need an outside expert on the law?

So much for that qualification for office.

Socratease on June 29, 2013 at 12:31 PM

If the tables were turned and she was a republican what would the democrats do?

docflash on June 29, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Issa will never grant Lerner immunity.

BuckeyeSam on June 29, 2013 at 12:30 PM

I hope you’re right. The time is long past to take the gloves off and tear down the house.

I demand my Constitutional liberty, especially for my three granddaughters.

Liam on June 29, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Why don’t these guys simply get the IRS to cough up the names of the people whose desk the applications were on? Is that really so hard? That is where you begin.

pat on June 29, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Even if she does get recalled to testify, she’ll just follow standard Administration policy:

1. Evade the questions.
2. Lie.
3. Lie some more.
4. Call this a witch hunt (which is appropriate in this case, and she’s the witch being hunted).
5. Blame Bush.

And all the while, the liberals and the LSM (BIRM) will be covering and spinning for her, wailing about ‘partisan politics’ and blaming the GOP.

RoadRunner on June 29, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Offer her immunity for all information. Promise to try your very best to keep her off of death row for her treasonous actions against this country. And if she agrees then actually do your very best to keep her from death row.
If she disagrees, show trial her to the gallows. Offer nothing else. Just wishful thinking for tyrants on this bright, sunny day :) Give her what she surely fears the most, justice.

onomo on June 29, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Normally, I’d just say “the law is the law”, but, this IS the Obama Administration. When do they worry about the law?

NotEasilyFooled on June 29, 2013 at 1:06 PM

onomo on June 29, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Give Lerner nothing.

Tear her soul apart.

Liam on June 29, 2013 at 1:09 PM

There’s more than one way to skin a cat.

av8tr on June 29, 2013 at 12:16 PM

According to the robot from Lost In Space, there are sixteen. :-)

Liam on June 29, 2013 at 12:18 PM

GEEK ALERT, SECTOR 23… DANGER DANGER DANGER

Ugly on June 29, 2013 at 1:11 PM

GEEK ALERT, SECTOR 23… DANGER DANGER DANGER

Ugly on June 29, 2013 at 1:11 PM

ROTFLMAO

Good one!

Liam on June 29, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Issa will give her immunity and then she’ll say …

“I never saw a damn thing – can I go now?”

And they’ll say … “Well yes you can, Ma’am!”

HondaV65 on June 29, 2013 at 1:16 PM

I think its time to go all out on these people who willfully violate the basic tenets of our Constitution. Their families should not be immune to the consequences of their actions.They have greatly benefited from their relatives position. College scholarships,internships,plum jobs with companies wishing to curry favor with with said govt officials.
The Tory families were not spared after the Revolution, so there is precedent for action against them.
If you think this is harsh or un American, please recognize the damage they would so willingly inflict upon your family so that their family can stay secure in their ill gotten station.
Oh and hello to anyone monitoring this website.

Thicklugdonkey on June 29, 2013 at 1:19 PM

No doubt she’s attended the Clinton school of testifying.

“I don’t recall.”

“I don’t recall.”

“I don’t recall.”

“I don’t recall.”

“Oh, what difference does it make!”

JannyMae on June 29, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Q: Knock knock.

A: Who’s there?

Q: Ben.

A: Ben who?

Q: Ben Ghaz… oh never mind. What difference does it make? They’ve flooded the zone, and apparently, America is so stupid that it can’t read “Treason” writ large. Must have been writ in cursive…

bofh on June 29, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Her attorney insists that Lerner will once again refuse to answer questions on the basis of potential self-incrimination.

Um, why can she do that? If the point is that she has *waived* that right already, then she has ‘crossed the Rubicon’ and can’t go back.

Midas on June 29, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Thicklugdonkey on June 29, 2013 at 1:19 PM

And, Finger wave from me.

avagreen on June 29, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Liam on June 29, 2013 at 1:15 PM

I felt inspired (watching Malcolm In The Middle) ;)

Ugly on June 29, 2013 at 1:27 PM

If the tables were turned and she was a republican what would the democrats do?

docflash on June 29, 2013 at 12:31 PM

She’d be in jail already.

Midas on June 29, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Liam on June 29, 2013 at 1:15 PM

I felt inspired (watching Malcolm In The Middle) ;)

Ugly on June 29, 2013 at 1:27 PM

There’s a certain charm to a lot of those old shows.

Liam on June 29, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Lerner, the former head of the IRS’s Exempt Organizations division, professed innocence under oath before the committee in May before pleading the Fifth, setting off a debate about whether she had waived her rights. …

Edited for accuracy.

As I said at the time, her lawyer should have been hauled before the bar association on a charge of at least incompetence, if not misconduct.

If she hadn’t been sworn first it might have made a slight difference. But being sworn, stating that she did nothing wrong, and then refusing to answer on grounds of self-incrimination?

Even Tony Soprano wouldn’t be that big an idiot.

Once more we see that the arrogance and power-lust of progressives is exceeded only by their stupidity. This may explain why they never seem to learn from experience.

clear ether

eon

eon on June 29, 2013 at 1:31 PM

…Trayvon approached him.
 
melle1228 on June 28, 2013 at 1:57 PM

 
And your suggestion is that we should just believe him because a murderer trying to avoid jail time is credible?
 
libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 1:59 PM

rogerb on June 29, 2013 at 1:31 PM

K, signing off for as long as I can stand it. I come here and read this stuff, and it simply makes me want to go to war. Every. Damn. Day.

Midas on June 29, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Unless the committee has a smoking gun showing Lerner’s guilt of an actual crime, I think this is a long shot.

What about all the letters with her signature on them?

John the Libertarian on June 29, 2013 at 1:34 PM

What about all the letters with her signature on them?

John the Libertarian on June 29, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Things like that are for the little people. She will just say I”I sign lots of things everyday” or some such bullsh!t and will get away with it. Liars all of them and the double standard (what if it was a Republican) makes my blood boil.

VegasRick on June 29, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Thanks avagreen . As this slug Lerner has shown us her true colors we must get on with the buisness of abolishing the IRS. Make any member of Congress who disagrees with this action defend his or her position. I cant see any politican defending the existence of the IRS and retaining his or her elective office. Its like being pro cancer.

Thicklugdonkey on June 29, 2013 at 1:42 PM

I would not grant Lerner immunity. Her history is such that it is entirely possible she is one of the driving forces behind the fascist abuse of citizens by IRS. If so, she needs to be eligible for prison time.

However, the Speaker should announce no funding for IRS will be considered that includes paying this whore’s salary while she’s at the beach, and also insist on zeroing out their budget for conferences and travel.

It’s like the old story of a city boy working a farm trying to plow with a mule. When it just wouldn’t move, he went to the farmer, who picked up a 2×4 and whacked the mule in the head. After that, the beast pulled just fine.

“First you have to get his attention,” the farmer explained. Same thing with IRS.

Adjoran on June 29, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Republican committee member and former prosecutor Trey Gowdy scoffed at the demand, saying that “I don’t need law professors to come for a second hearing and read me the case law. … You don’t get to tell your side of the story and then avoid the very process that we have in this system for eliciting the truth.”

Um, yes you can. She just did, and she’ll do it again if they call her back in.

Do you guys ever watch COPS? People do it all the time.

segasagez on June 29, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Republican committee member and former prosecutor Trey Gowdy scoffed at the demand, saying that “I don’t need law professors to come for a second hearing and read me the case law. … You don’t get to tell your side of the story and then avoid the very process that we have in this system for eliciting the truth.”

Um, yes you can. She just did, and she’ll do it again if they call her back in.

Do you guys ever watch COPS? People do it all the time.

segasagez on June 29, 2013 at 2:06 PM

The resolution passed down party lines, 22-17.

How can the Democrats justify taking the side of someone invoking the 5th ammendment in refusing to answer questions?

The Democrats just ADMITTED that they are NOT INTERESTED in the TRUTH.

EVERY Democrat on that committee should be questioned RELENTLESSLY regarding their PERSONAL INVOLVEMENT in this IRS abuse!

Freddy on June 29, 2013 at 2:12 PM

No names to date have been attached to: Cash for Clunkers/FastNFurious/GSA/Benghazi/IRS/NSA. Corrupt Democratic NJ Governor Jon Corzine is still free. All this dog& pony show is going nowhere.

RdLake on June 29, 2013 at 2:20 PM

The Christian ministry I’m involved with was targeted by the IRS and I have been talking to my congressmen about it. We have been in limbo for around 4 years now waiting for our tax-exempt status after filling out a mountain of paperwork. We received a notice from the IRS about a year ago that our case was under review. We went and looked at the letter that was sent to us the other day and it was signed by a certain Lois Lerner.

NeverLiberal on June 29, 2013 at 2:32 PM

How can the Democrats justify taking the side of someone invoking the 5th ammendment in refusing to answer questions?

reddy on June 29, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Because they’re not particularly interested in wasting everyone’s time? She can’t be held in contempt for taking the 5th, and she’ll do it for every question. She’s said as much.

What’s the point?

segasagez on June 29, 2013 at 2:44 PM

What’s the point?

segasagez on June 29, 2013 at 2:44 PM

You are wrong. Witnesses can be held in contempt of Congress for refusing to testify after being granted limited immunity.

The Democrats made a huge mistake by siding with Lerner and the IRS. The GOP will beat them over the head with this for years.

Captain Kirock on June 29, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Can Obama pardon her for any and all crimes that she committed in order to get him re-elected and/or for any congressional contempt charges? If so, then that is nuts.

Theophile on June 29, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Because they’re not particularly interested in wasting everyone’s time? She can’t be held in contempt for taking the 5th, and she’ll do it for every question. She’s said as much.

What’s the point?

segasagez on June 29, 2013 at 2:44 PM

They weren’t so concerned about “wasting everyone’s time” back in the 70′s over a boggled burglary event that led to Nixon resigning. People need to realize that Nixon didn’t deserve what happened to him but that set the stage for “payback”. Obama has offered what I call a smorgasboard. Politics are politics (and I’ll note that anybody drawn to that line of work chose it because they were unemployable elsewhere).

teejk on June 29, 2013 at 3:06 PM

I believe that Alan Dershowitz, the Harvard Law Professor, agrees she gave up her 5th Amendment right. Now I’m not sure, since I’m not a law professor, but the fact that not one Democrat, not one, was willing to agree with Professor Dershowitz indicates to me they don’t care about the law, they just don’t want the Republicans to be right.

You’d think there would come a time when our constitution actually means something to the Democrats. I doubt it will be any time soon. Now they’re trying to claim this investigation should be over because a few liberal groups were targeted, in spite of the fact that all the liberal groups got their tax exemption and none of the tea party groups got theirs.

It’s one of the reasons I hate Democrats because there is no right or wrong with them, it’s all about party and the country be damned. Payback is a son-of-a-gun, and I’m looking forward to a Republican Congress and a Republican President. Also, if I were the Republicans, I would refuse to cooperate on any issues as long as they’re allowing this administration to hide facts on this issue. This just might be one of the most important issues of our time. Not only is there the potential here that the IRS helped to sway an election, there’s the possibility that administration people encouraged and assisted in the process. The American People have the right to know and, if the Democrats inhibit that right, they should be held accountable.

bflat879 on June 29, 2013 at 3:10 PM

The Christian ministry I’m involved with was targeted by the IRS and I have been talking to my congressmen about it. We have been in limbo for around 4 years now waiting for our tax-exempt status after filling out a mountain of paperwork. We received a notice from the IRS about a year ago that our case was under review. We went and looked at the letter that was sent to us the other day and it was signed by a certain Lois Lerner.

NeverLiberal on June 29, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Great news! I hope you and your lawyer make good use of it. Keep us informed.

avagreen on June 29, 2013 at 3:46 PM

If the tables were turned and she was a republican what would the democrats do?

docflash on June 29, 2013 at 12:31 PM

…give them pardons?

KOOLAID2 on June 29, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Uh, didn’t the supreme court just rule that one had to openly state they were invoking their 5th rights to the cops otherwise the cops could interpret their body language and use it in court against them?

She waived her rights, claimed innocence. Dig up the dirt and use it against her already GOP, you worthless hacks. I see a whole lotta talkin and no doin.

oryguncon on June 29, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Lerner, Benghazi,socialized medicine, increasing energy dependence on enemies, international disrespect, massive and intrusive spying,using government agencies as enforcers and intimidators all have one common denominator:Obama–and one common modus operandi–Valerie Jarrett. The only unanswered question is-is Jarrett doing it alone with Obama the trusting, idiotic grinning puppet or are Obama and Jarrett together planning the ‘bananarepublication” of a once great nation?

As for Lerner testifying. She’ll just twist the truth into pretzels but never expose her chin sufficiently for an effective counter-punch.IRS has great lawyers to advise her. She should instead receive punishing audits consuming hundreds of thousands in lawyer fees; be subjected to harassing phone calls day and night, be subpoenaed continually; have her bank accounts attached and drained; wages garnished; lien placed on house and other property; passport seized;car booted and wiretaps placed on all phone conversations. Just to give her a taste of the what a bunch of Nazis she works for.

MaiDee on June 29, 2013 at 6:36 PM

s. Lerner should just go before the panel and to every question, answer, either, I don’t remember, or What difference at this point doe it make, anyhow. Worked for Hillary and Sen. Nancy Graham praised her.

they lie on June 29, 2013 at 8:36 PM

The Christian ministry I’m involved with was targeted by the IRS and I have been talking to my congressmen about it. We have been in limbo for around 4 years now waiting for our tax-exempt status after filling out a mountain of paperwork. We received a notice from the IRS about a year ago that our case was under review. We went and looked at the letter that was sent to us the other day and it was signed by a certain Lois Lerner.

NeverLiberal on June 29, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Are you planning on suing?

cptacek on June 29, 2013 at 9:50 PM

I think Lerner is scum. That being said, I hate the idea the you can “give up” your 5th Amendment right. You should be able to invoke that right at anytime while testifying including in the middle of a sentence.

However, if you are a public employee and you invoke your 5th Amendment right, you should also lose your job. No payed vacation, if you refuse to answer questions, you are as a result, resigning from your tax payer funded position.

TEPJoePa on June 29, 2013 at 10:42 PM

How about just smacking her in the face. A very ugly, evil face.

ardenenoch on June 29, 2013 at 11:53 PM

Anyone study the ‘Scooter’ Libby case?
The guy makes a STATEMENT of ERROR (not a LIE) to a federal investigator and gets prosecuted. Fined $250,000 and imprisoned for TWO years in an FCI, and not one with tennis and golf. (I think Bush pardoned what was left of his time in stir but he still paid $250 LARGE to say nothing of his LEGAL FEES.)
And this slime Louis Learner is on extended PAID TIME OFF at a salary of $175 LARGE per annum?
I agree with a d1carter @ 11:51 … in this case we have a curious reversal of the Manure Spreading Media where they are circling the wagons ammounting to a full court press in TOTAL DEFENSE OF (what????) the G_dDammed INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE.

Beam me up Scotty. It is friggin’ over.
If the press fails, the whole damn system will FAIL.
And the PRESS is in ACTIVE DEFENSE of King Putt and his ENTIRE Chicago Mob Gimmedat Administration.

Missilengr on June 30, 2013 at 11:50 PM