Question for McCain: Should Latinos vote against the GOP if immigration reform doesn’t pass?

posted at 3:21 pm on June 28, 2013 by Allahpundit

This TPM account of yesterday’s Gang of Eight fun-bunch high-five after the immigration vote is the final straw. (Actually, it was the Gang of Seven. Our friend Marco Rubio was conspicuously absent from the big post-amnesty photo op.) I tolerated the first thousand warnings by pro-amnesty Republican senators that the party might suffer with Latinos if something isn’t done with immigration, but at some point this turns into deliberately trying to talk the party down.

TPM asked McCain if Republicans can recover in 2016 if the overhaul falters and if the party nominates a pro-immigration candidate. He took a deep breath and shook his head.

“No,” he said…

“All I can say is that maybe they ought to look back at what happened in 2012 and 2008 with the Hispanic voters and then maybe they ought to reevaluate what they are saying,” he said. “There’s plenty of issues that separate Republicans and Democrats but … 70, 80 percent, depending on which polls you judge by, are in favor of what we’re trying to do.”

You could put the following question to any amnesty-shill Republican but I’m singling out McCain because he’s been unusually blunt in framing the reform process as a naked, cynical attempt to pander to Latinos. Does he think Latinos should vote against the GOP if nothing ends up getting done? Not will they, but should they? He keeps gift-wrapping these soundbites of electoral doom for his friend Chuck to use against the party in 2014 and 2016, so maybe we should just have a straight answer. Is his loyalty to amnesty and his disdain for the Republican platform so great that he thinks Latinos should in fact be single-issue voters who treat the fate of reform as a dealbreaker? Say what you will about Rubio but he’s a smart enough politician to recognize that the answer to a question about whether any demographic group should consider voting for Republicans is always, always yes. (He’s also smart enough to recognize that, whatever rank-and-file Republicans say to each other, people in leadership should never declare any group to be a lost cause.) I see reform fans on Twitter grumbling that angry border hawks like me are being stupid and spiteful in threatening not to vote for Rubio or other GOPers over amnesty, but how is McCain not being spiteful in pressuring the House with public threats that we kinda sorta deserve to lose if they don’t pass his crappy, sellout bill?

And that’s not the worst part. The worst part is that he continues to peddle the self-serving double-barreled lie that (a) the Latino vote sunk Republicans in the last two elections (it did not) and (b) that immigration is an insuperable obstacle to being more competitive among Latinos. The man you want to read on that is Sean Trende, who’s had three indispensable pieces about it published over the week or so. First, he reveals the real culprits in why Romney lost last year, namely, economic-populist white voters who supported Perot and now stay home because the GOP no longer really talks to them. Second, he reminds the GOP that immigration reform isn’t as simple as winning Latinos, it’s winning Latinos at the expense of losing some white — and black — voters who might otherwise consider the party. Has McCain, Graham, Rubio, or anyone else on the amnesty spirit squad ever once been asked to address the prospect of losing some votes too in passing this bill? Do they have the faintest idea of whether they’d lose more white/black votes than they’d gain among Latinos? Do they care? If we’re going to pass a terrible bill purely in the interests of helping ourselves electorally, it’d be nice to have some idea of whether passing it really will help us electorally.

And third, he argues that what motivates Latino voters isn’t much different from what motivates white voters, especially among the middle class in both groups. Convince Latinos that your policies will grow the economy bigger and faster and that they’ll end up creating more jobs than Obama’s Recovery Summer, Winter, Spring, and Fall, and you’ll win some votes. Maybe not a majority — poor voters of any group will prefer the welfare state — but certainly much more than you’re winning among middle- and upper-class Latinos now. In a way, the GOP’s monomania about immigration as a panacea for its problems is a byproduct of how terrible the party’s become about crafting an economic agenda for the middle class. They won’t give voters what they really want, so instead they’ll pander to them on identity politics and hope that that moves the needle a little bit. Go figure that McCain, who famously collapsed in 2008 after the financial crisis struck because voters didn’t trust him to bring the economy back, doesn’t grasp that.


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They vote against them either way. It’s all moot, except this travesty.

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 3:24 PM

May McCain and Reid go to the creche, soon, and may Ms. Lindsey be assigned to wipe their butts.

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 3:25 PM

I’ve got a better question: Should blacks vote against the Democrats because they sold them down the river. Literally in the 19th century and figuratively ever since.

Fenris on June 28, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Right. I want to take campaign advice from someone who lost to a Marxist.

faraway on June 28, 2013 at 3:26 PM

I liked the caller on Rush Limbaugh to was calling from Lubbock TX… Wo went out and talked to some illegals and asked what they thought about the immigration bill. — They don’t like it, they don’t want to become citizens, they don’t want more immigrants coming in, they just want to work in America tax free.

Dasher on June 28, 2013 at 3:28 PM

If Rubio and McCain were any kind of politicians, they would be out protesting trying to save the Hispanic man from being unjustly prosecuted in the Skittles case.

faraway on June 28, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Had Romney got 70% of the “Hispanic” vote he still woulda lost.

But a 3% uptick in the white vote woulda given him the win.

So let’s keep focusing on minorities who will vote Democrapic till the cows come home.

Akzed on June 28, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Reagan pulled this stunt and the Hispanic vote subsequently went down for the GOP.

Mac is senile and a danger to the Republic.

Bishop on June 28, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Dasher on June 28, 2013 at 3:28 PM

That’s funny. Well, I’m sure they’ll still be able to work tax free, maybe they’ll have more competition. Probably their wages will go down from the competition. And probably the most unemployed segment of our society, which also votes Democrat at 90% rates, will see more unemployment. Chickens coming home to roost and all.

Fenris on June 28, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Great post AP. So much truth here.

Mark1971 on June 28, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Reagan regretted his amnesty to the last coherent day of his life. It was a total failure.

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 3:36 PM

May McCain and Reid go to the creche, soon, and may Ms. Lindsey be assigned to wipe their butts.

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 3:25 PM

…with his mouth!

KOOLAID2 on June 28, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Why SHOULD they ? Citizen latinos with the right to vote are helped… how ? Legalizing some 11 million illegals doesn’t do a damn thing for those already here legally with voting rights.

Nothing like wallowing in identity politics. So, because you are the same color as that person, and they aren’t getting what they want, therefore you should vote with them ?

WTF ?!

deadrody on June 28, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Question for McCain: Should Latinos vote against the GOP if immigration reform doesn’t pass?

“Well, we have embraced all Liberal policies and attitudes on everything…and then maybe, just maybe they’ll vote GOP.”

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 28, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Dear Senator McCain,
Thank you for your military service, now please retire.

Sincerely,
Anyone with a brain

DiscePati on June 28, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Should Americans vote against democrats if this becomes law?

lonestar1 on June 28, 2013 at 3:44 PM

May McCain and Reid go to the creche, soon, and may Ms. Lindsey be assigned to wipe their butts.
Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 3:25 PM

…with his mouth!
KOOLAID2 on June 28, 2013 at 3:38 PM

+++++++++++++++++

No, he’d probably like that…

fabrexe on June 28, 2013 at 3:46 PM

I want to see the first legal Latino, who’s let go and replaced by a newly legal Latino to avoid Obamacare. I want to see him ask the Democrats why he should vote for them now!!!

bflat879 on June 28, 2013 at 3:51 PM

My friends… Mi amigos…”

Seven Percent Solution on June 28, 2013 at 4:01 PM

I liked the caller on Rush Limbaugh to was calling from Lubbock TX… Wo went out and talked to some illegals and asked what they thought about the immigration bill. — They don’t like it, they don’t want to become citizens, they don’t want more immigrants coming in, they just want to work in America tax free.

Dasher on June 28, 2013 at 3:28 PM

I am so glad I heard that too. That is too funny. Wonder how this is going to turn out?

bluefox on June 28, 2013 at 4:05 PM

I liked the caller on Rush Limbaugh to was calling from Lubbock TX… Wo went out and talked to some illegals and asked what they thought about the immigration bill. — They don’t like it, they don’t want to become citizens, they don’t want more immigrants coming in, they just want to work in America tax free.

Dasher on June 28, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Yeah…He was great.

It’s true and many Texans know that…but nobody listens to us anyhow.

The current Illegals don’t want anymore OTM’s comin in to compete and they don’t want to pay taxes just milk the system…We are just stupid Anglos.

California is callin this rodeo as usual…and that’s why it’s a disaster.

workingclass artist on June 28, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Reagan pulled this stunt and the Hispanic vote subsequently went down for the GOP.

Mac is senile and a danger to the Republic.

Bishop on June 28, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Yep.

We gotta get rid of these fossils who cling to power and exalted status.

workingclass artist on June 28, 2013 at 4:08 PM

The GOP is dumber than DWS if they think amnesty is about votes.Why are the big money and corporations all for it?

docflash on June 28, 2013 at 4:11 PM

My trackback above and my link here both go to the same post I wrote explaining an easy, cheap way to get illegals to self-deport and also secure our borders. We use it in the war on drugs, so it cannot be considered unreasonable to use it to secure our borders.

Spread the word.

Cynthia Yockey -- A Conservative Lesbian on June 28, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Has McCain, Graham, Rubio, or anyone else on the amnesty spirit squad ever once been asked to address the prospect of losing some votes too in passing this bill?

Only the wacko birds that value their civil rights and don’t want to arm McCain’s Al Qaeda allies in Syria.

FloatingRock on June 28, 2013 at 4:35 PM

My trackback above and my link here both go to the same post I wrote explaining an easy, cheap way to get illegals to self-deport and also secure our borders. We use it in the war on drugs, so it cannot be considered unreasonable to use it to secure our borders.

Spread the word.

Cynthia Yockey — A Conservative Lesbian on June 28, 2013 at 4:16 PM

I don’t see it happening…but it’s ceratinly a novel idea.

workingclass artist on June 28, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Has McCain, Graham, Rubio, or anyone else on the amnesty spirit squad ever once been asked to address the prospect of losing some votes too in passing this bill?

Only the wacko bird civilians who don’t have highly paid lobbyists or anybody else in Washington looking out for their interests. And while they may stay home rather than vote for the corrupt, elitist GOP, McCain and his ilk will use the billions of crony cash to air TV, radio and Internet ads to convince low-info voters to vote for their new cronies masters, same as the old.

FloatingRock on June 28, 2013 at 4:40 PM

We are just stupid Anglos.workingclass artist on June 28, 2013 at 4:06 PM

I had to chuckle at the term Anglos. The many years we lived in Texas, the word was “Gringos”:-)

bluefox on June 28, 2013 at 4:47 PM

In reality – none of it matters – the bill will be torn apart in the House – and it will not come to conference committee, we will get to August and the summer doldrums followed by budget hell in the fall.

In the meantime, the Senate will refuse to take up the border protection and other immigration related single issue bills coming from the House so there will be no conference to have there either. The soundbites will be Harry Reid refusing to discuss the House bill – and so it will be a pox on both houses and on we go.

The problem for the pro immigration side is that nobody else is with them – hence the need for huge bills that no one reads in order to pass it. Even democrat voters don’t like amnesty.

This will blow over. One advantage of DOMA – it will obscure the House slowing this down – and will once again demonstrate to independent voters that DC is against you and if you won’t vote as they like, they will just make you agree with them. WHile the GOP has their own problems in not recognizing their need to break with Washington and all the imbedded interests that swirl around it, slowly we are making headway.

The progressive superstate is about to be undercut. It will be quick when it happens. Obama has made that a certainty. It will end up his one true positive contribution to the body politic.

BTW the corps are for it because of the skilled workers provisions. They like foreigners who ahve math, science and engineering backgrounds – some probably for wage suppression but most because they have global operations and they like to have them start here before they go out around the globe, or they can provide good liaison with locals instead of someone who never stepped foot in India or China or wherever.

Zomcon JEM on June 28, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Cynthia Yockey — A Conservative Lesbian on June 28, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Do you have a way to self-deport the GOPe? If we could do that, we could have real reform. In more ways than one:-)

bluefox on June 28, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Zomcon JEM on June 28, 2013 at 4:49 PM

I think you underestimate Boehner/Cantor/McCarthy/Ryan/Obama/Reid/McConnell.

They are busy writing their own bill.

bluefox on June 28, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Question for McCain: Should Latinos vote against the GOP if immigration reform doesn’t pass?

I happily invite all Latinos (with ironclad identification as US citizens) to vote against the GOP if that’s what they wish.

They’re largely irrelevant without their illegally inflated numbers.

James on June 28, 2013 at 5:01 PM

bluefox on June 28, 2013 at 4:54 PM

I know – but I don’t think it goes anywhere – because then Boehner won’t win his own seat in 2014.

Zomcon JEM on June 28, 2013 at 5:11 PM

bluefox on June 28, 2013 at 4:54 PM

I know – but I don’t think it goes anywhere – because then Boehner won’t win his own seat in 2014.

Zomcon JEM on June 28, 2013 at 5:11 PM

I think his seat is in danger anyway due to his performance since 2010. Not only working with B.O./Reid/McConnell to pass everything they wanted, but stripping the House Conservatives of their Committee slots and even their Sub-Committee slots.

The Tea Party/Conservatives worked hard with time/money & votes to give the House Republicans the Majority. The mistake was the RINOS in the House elected him Speaker.

The only reason he’s not going to bring up the Senate passed bill is because he’s been warned by 70+ R’s that they would revolt and he wouldn’t be Speaker.

When the Ohio voters wake up and realize that a lot of what they don’t like that’s been passed since 2010 that it’s due to Boehner, maybe we’ll have a Candidate to primary him.

We’ll see. That’s my take on it anyway.

bluefox on June 28, 2013 at 5:22 PM

I see reform fans on Twitter grumbling that angry border hawks like me are being stupid and spiteful in threatening not to vote for Rubio or other GOPers over amnesty, but how is McCain not being spiteful in pressuring the House with public threats that we kinda sorta deserve to lose if they don’t pass his crappy, sellout bill?

Allah

Three cheers.

Jaibones on June 28, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Back Stabbing RINOS like McCain, Graham et al The Deepest cuts of all!

Natebo on June 28, 2013 at 5:41 PM

can McCain get kicked out of the party? He’s doing a good job of destroying it from within.

DanMan on June 28, 2013 at 5:50 PM

Nicely done, allahpundit.

jaime on June 28, 2013 at 6:04 PM

You know, the other thing McCain and his bumbling gang of RINOs haven’t bothered to acknowledge is that if Washington doesn’t have the will to enforce immigration law now, when these tens of millions DO NOT have the right to vote, how in God’s name are they going to find a spine later, when they CAN???

Everything they told us about border security is a bold-faced lie. They have no intention of EVER seeing it done. Pandering now is only going to become more pandering later. If the House allows this travesty to pass, it will have thrown open our borders for all time.

Murf76 on June 28, 2013 at 6:26 PM

They vote against them either way. It’s all moot, except this travesty.

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Actually, its worse than that. ILLEGALS vote against GOP. What needs to be done is tougher election/voting laws with enforcement and severe penalties.

Last year there was a credible account here in Las Vegas from an admitted illegal working for a union and he said that he was told not only that he must vote to preserve his job, but vote liberal.

So, not only Latinos vote for free stuff, but Latinos+ (illegals) do as well. Removing them from voter rolls is top priority, secured borders is number 2.

riddick on June 28, 2013 at 6:38 PM

The only question McCain is interested in is where his next opportunity to torpedo the GOP is. He is on a mission to destroy this party. The man has fallen off his rocker and is suffering from something. He has got to go.

JohnnyMojo on June 28, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Latinos voted against Mclame after the last time he tried to ram amnesty down our throats. So fk them.

D-Bar on June 28, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Has McCain been checked for a doctor recently… y’know, for senility?

Ukiah on June 28, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Personally I think McCain wants to destroy the country that left him in a jungle being tortured for so many years, it’s his final wish to see this country go down in flames before he finally croaks – and helping Democrats is the fastest way to achieve that dream.

Ukiah on June 28, 2013 at 10:29 PM

John McCain the country recognizes, appreciates and lauds you for your service.
That being said………please go away!

Art on June 29, 2013 at 9:41 AM

Question for anyone with a brain on this site: Will any more than a handful (maybe 15% at most) of Latinos switch from voting for the Free-Stuff Democrat Party to voting for the GOP?

Seriously, what is the wetback battalion going to do, vote for democrats TWICE? Oh wait, they already do that too! So much for Hispandering!

MelonCollie on June 30, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Allah – Congratulations for getting linked from the main page of RealClearPolitics!

Great, thoughtful, and thought-provoking article. McCain represents the real reason the GOP will die.

Greyledge Gal on July 1, 2013 at 12:49 PM