Prosecution witness in Zimmerman trial testifies Martin on top in fight

posted at 1:21 pm on June 28, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Lots of buzz erupted on Twitter about the testimony of prosecution witness Jonathan Good in the murder trial of George Zimmerman, and it’s not difficult to understand why.  Good, who witnessed the fight but apparently not the fatal gunshot that killed Trayvon Martin, not only contradicted the prosecution’s previous witness, but bolstered Zimmerman’s self-defense argument, even in direct examination (video via Jim Hoft):

A man who said he witnessed George Zimmerman’s shooting of Trayvon Martin told a court today that what he saw indicated that Martin was on top of Zimmerman moments before Zimmerman shot and killed Martin.

The testimony of John Good contradicted that of a neighbor who told the Florida court Thursday Zimmerman was on top of Martin in those critical seconds before the fatal shot was fired. …

“Could you describe who was on top and who was at bottom,” asked prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda.

“The color on top was dark and the color at bottom was…red,” responded Good referring to the men’s clothing.

At another point he told the court that the person on the bottom had “lighter skin color.”

Zimmerman is a white Hispanic who was wearing a red and black jacket that night. Martin, who was black, was wearing a dark sweatshirt.

He also said, “The person on the bottom, I could hear a ‘Help.’”

Under cross examination by Zimmerman’s lawyer, Good said he believes he saw Martin on top punching Zimmerman “MMA style,” a reference to mixed martial arts.

Some people on Twitter wondered why the prosecution called Good at all, given the damage it does to the case they want to make of second-degree murder.  Generally speaking, the prosecution has an obligation to address all of the evidence in a case, not just the pieces they like best. Practically speaking, the prosecution knew that the defense would call Good to the stand if they did not, so the best strategy would be to take the surprise out of the testimony, and hope that a direct examination could possibly put this in a better context.  After all, they had another eyewitness testify that the positions were reversed, and the prosecution might hope that the jury would find that witness more credible than Good — although that looks like a long shot, given Good’s performance on the stand so far.  Bear in mind that the prosecution has not yet rested, and may have more witnesses that will incorporate Good’s testimony into the overall theory of their case.  It’s usually a mistake to take too much out of context in trial testimony while the case is still unfolding.

Still, this makes the question of the charges even more acute. The state could have charged Zimmerman with manslaughter and argued that he used deadly force without just cause, rather than go with a second-degree murder charge that requires some act of malice or “depraved mind.”  If Good convinces the jury that Zimmerman was receiving an “MMA-style beating” when he pulled the pistol and fired, then the only verdict left is acquittal of second-degree murder.  Even the conflicting witness testimony could be enough to produce a reasonable doubt in the minds of jurors.

This has the appearance of over-charging by the prosecution, and that raises its own questions about motives involved in making that decision.

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Zimmerman’s job that night was to protect the neighborhood from persons not authorized to be there…neighborhood watch.

He was watching.

What was Treyvon’s job that night?

coldwarrior on June 28, 2013 at 2:00 PM

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Only one conclusion, indeed, that one is innocent until proven guilty. That’s what trials by juries are for, in a still relatively free land.

You are such a bigot and a racist, one of the 3 main ones on HA, all from the leftist camp.

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Depends on the Jury.

Just like the OJ jury. Had I known his jury was full of black ladies I wouldn’t even have paid attention.

I think Zimmerman is innocent, not bright, but certainly he wasn’t intent on killing the hooded one Saint Trayvon.

Zimmerman will probably have to leave the country if he’s acquitted because the media is feasting on his flesh.

PappyD61 on June 28, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Maybe, Jeantel can turn libbie straight?

Blake on June 28, 2013 at 1:55 PM

A woman with a spare tire around her neck? Not likely.

slickwillie2001 on June 28, 2013 at 2:01 PM

What was Treyvon’s job that night?

coldwarrior on June 28, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Prowling?

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 2:01 PM

lowandslow on June 28, 2013 at 1:49 PM

True. Here’s what we know for certain and probably all that we will ever know beyond a reasonable doubt.

1) Zimmerman followed Martin
2) They met and fought
3) Zimmerman sustained injuries to his face and back of head
4) Zimmerman shot Martin

Everything else is subject to speculation. We don’t know who approached whom. We don’t know who initiated the fight.

If there is grounds for Murder 2 conviction (beyond a reasonable doubt) or even a manslaughter conviction, I’m sure not seeing it.

PackerBronco on June 28, 2013 at 2:01 PM

And your suggestion is that we should just believe him because a murderer trying to avoid jail time is credible?

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 1:59 PM

He is not a murderer. He is innocent until proven guilty. Furthermore, I believe his injuries as opposed to Trayvon’s non injuries(with the exception of the gun shot would) support Zimmerman’s story– That along with people who are SUPPOSED to be Prosecution witnesses.

melle1228 on June 28, 2013 at 2:01 PM

bfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 1:55 PM

“allvoices” is a Liberal website. Of course, it agrees with you.

Sheesh. Idjit.

kingsjester on June 28, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Oh, interesting. You have evidence that George Zimmerman wasn’t arrested multiple times for violence against others? Interesting. Can you share that?

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Have you even considered that the person who shot and killed another person might not tell the truth? Listen to the police interviews with Zimmerman. There’s really only one conclusion that can be drawn when you listen to those.

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 1:52 PM

This is where the stupid really starts for you imbeciles. Are you aware of the fact that the onus is on the state to prove a crime was committed? If they cannot build a case that disproves Zimmerman’s account then no crime was committed.

NotCoach on June 28, 2013 at 2:02 PM

What was Treyvon’s job that night?

coldwarrior on June 28, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Prowling?

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Seriously?

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Oh and I dare you Zimmerman defenders to listen to his interview with Sanford police after the shooting:
1. They catch him in lies
2. They poke holes in his story
3. He clearly admits he racially profiled Trayvon.

Once prosecutors play clip 6-8 its a wrap.
http://trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/audio/george-zimmermans-statements-sanford-pd-audio/

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 1:50 PM

None of the above matters if Zimmerman was attacked and reasonably felt that but for the use of deadly force he stood to sustain serious bodily injury or feared for his life. Whether he racially profiled TM is immaterial if TM attacked Zimmerman and then proceeded to slam his head into the concrete with enough force to warrant the reasonable person test.

The case will turn (or it should anyway) whether TM was the aggressor and if so, whether Zimmerman could have believed that his use of deadly force was warranted given the threat of injury or death to himself. No more, no less. I will say that it will take a miracle for Zimmerman to get off though.

volnation on June 28, 2013 at 2:03 PM

I wonder what the courtroom prosecutors really think. I would be extremely pissed off at my superiors who forced this case for political reasons and left me to look like a fool on national TV.

Mark1971 on June 28, 2013 at 1:34 PM

The prosecutors are thinking they had better convict, because otherwise they’re at risk of facing lawsuits for malicious prosecution and maybe Nifong-style disbarment.

Why hasn’t the judge thrown this out of court already?

mwbri on June 28, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Because to do so would risk both her career and her physical safety. Even if she does everything she can to help the prosecution get Zimmerman convicted, if he is found innocent her safety may still be at risk.

Have you even considered that the person who shot and killed another person might not tell the truth? Listen to the police interviews with Zimmerman. There’s really only one conclusion that can be drawn when you listen to those.

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Actually, you can draw another conclusion. There is no evidence that Zimmerman is lying. If there was, it would be coming out in court. Almost all the evidence presently corroborates Zimmerman’s side of the story.

Doomberg on June 28, 2013 at 2:03 PM

On the 911 tapes Zimmerman states that he’s following Martin and then loses him, at which point he tells the operator that he will go to a set location to meet the cops. That’s where the 911 tape ends…

According to Zimmerman, as he was walking back to his car to go meet the cops he was confronted by Martin who got in his face and asked why Zimmerman was following him. It’s at that point that Zimmerman states that Martin punched him (breaking his nose, medical records show that) and jumped on top of him attacking him and smashing his head into the ground (medical records show wounds to the back of his head). Zimmerman in the confusion/dizziness felt that Martin was going for his gun, so he pulled it and shot him at close range. Martin died.

The media then edited tapes, lied, over charged in order to make it seem like Zimmerman saw a black man, called him the N-word to the operator then rushed over and executed him.

nextgen_repub on June 28, 2013 at 2:03 PM

libfree, I guess you would just let someone bang your head into the ground until you were dead?

faraway on June 28, 2013 at 1:58 PM

I fail to see how that would result in the brain-dead creep’s death.

Christien on June 28, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Zimmerman’s job that night was to protect the neighborhood from persons not authorized to be there…neighborhood watch.

He was watching.

What was Treyvon’s job that night?

coldwarrior on June 28, 2013 at 2:00 PM

He went to the store and was returning home. Apparently you think when a black kid does this, he is guilty of a crime. Listen to the Sanford police interview of Zimmerman.

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:04 PM

I see all this negativity against Mr. Martin and it confuses me.

Here’s the fact’s that aren’t up to dispute.

Mr. Martin was walking home minding his own business and Mr. Zimmerman “thought” he was a criminal of some sort.

I think we can all agree there.

Now, this is where things get fuzzy. Mr. Zimmerman is the one who approached Mr. Martin. So at this point, wouldnt Mr. Martin be the one who felt threatened? Now if they got into mutual combat at that point can a the onus of self defense then flip to the person who started the contact?

If I’m just walking down a street minding my business and a guy comes up and starts a fight with me, I fight back, I end up getting the better of him can he then pull out a gun and shoot me and claim self defense based on an altercation that he started?

That’s the question I really have about this case.

Politricks on June 28, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Faux confusion. Cute tactic.

Deliberate mistelling of the facts. Impressive.

You must be a lawyer.

I will allow myself one response to your obvious trolling.

There is NO (none, zero, nada, zilch) evidence of “mutual combat”.

The physical evidence of a fight are the wounds to the front and back of Mr. Zimmerman’s head and bruises on Mr. Martin’s knuckles. There was no bruising on Mr. Zimmerman’s hands or knuckles to indicate combat.

So, unless you happen to know a form of martial arts that fights opponents by hitting their hands with your face… the evidence is opposed to your “scenario.”

makattak on June 28, 2013 at 2:04 PM

In fact, Zimmerman says Trayvon came back and approached him.

melle1228 on June 28, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Have you even considered that the person who shot and killed another person might not tell the truth? Listen to the police interviews with Zimmerman. There’s really only one conclusion that can be drawn when you listen to those.

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Sure lefty….and Zimmerman beat himself up as well…

workingclass artist on June 28, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Oh, interesting. You have evidence that George Zimmerman wasn’t arrested multiple times for violence against others? Interesting. Can you share that?

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:02 PM

It is amazing how people of color matter to you, but only if they are the “right” color. What if Zimmerman killed a white teenager– You would be screaming in defense of Zimmerman because he would be the darker minority. I think it is YOU who is the racist.

melle1228 on June 28, 2013 at 2:04 PM

My apologies if this has already be asked but despite the charges could the jury return a manslaughter verdict of its own accord?

GreenBlade on June 28, 2013 at 2:04 PM

And your suggestion is that we should just believe him because a murderer trying to avoid jail time is credible?

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Of course. Zimmerman is presumed to be innocent. He doesn’t have to prove one damn thing. It’s up to the state to prove his guilt.

Did you sleep through basic civics?

PackerBronco on June 28, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Haven’t seen much discussion of the possibility that Martin was going for Zimmerman’s gun. There don’t seem to be any witnesses to testify to that level of detail except Zimmerman himself.

I really wonder if he’ll take the stand. If the defense feels that the prosecution has been weak enough, why risk testifying? On the other hand, Martin going for the gun is a lock on self-defense – assuming Zimmerman makes a credible witness, which is not a slam dunk.

peski on June 28, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Please note that current pictures of Trayvon are not being allowed to be seen in court.

kingsjester on June 28, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Zimmerman’s parents are NOT allowed in court, go figure.

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 2:05 PM

nextgen_repub on June 28, 2013 at 2:03 PM

The interviews with the Sanford police prove that Zimmerman lied multiple times to the police. So you can’t really believe his version of events.

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Now, this is where things get fuzzy. Mr. Zimmerman is the one who approached Mr. Martin…

Politricks on June 28, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Not proven. Zimmerman’s claim is that he was back at his vehicle when Martin surprised him by coming at him from a different direction and location than when Zimmerman lost sight of him.

911 testimony seems to back that up. No other evidence contradicts Zimmerman.

slickwillie2001 on June 28, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Presumed innocent:

“George Zimmerman, you are a profiling, vigilante, racist, right wing, trigger-happy, child-killing coward. I wanna rip off your nuts, shove them down your throat, pull them back out your ass …”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/06/27/fx-kamau-bell-zimmerman

davidk on June 28, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Answer the question though. Why does Trayvon’s history matter, but Zimmerman’s violent history not matter?

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Hey brainiac, are either histories being allowed into the trial?

NotCoach on June 28, 2013 at 2:05 PM

What was Treyvon’s job that night?

coldwarrior on June 28, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Prowling?

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Seriously?

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Skittles.

workingclass artist on June 28, 2013 at 2:05 PM

What was Treyvon’s job that night?

coldwarrior on June 28, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Prowling?

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Seriously?

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Actually, he was out collecting money for the Red Cross.

Yes, Schad is SERIOUS.

ToddPA on June 28, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Politricks on June 28, 2013 at 1:43 PM

You are always a fool.

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 2:06 PM

I believe Hispanic is an ethnic, not racial, term. A Hispanic can be of any race.

sauropod on June 28, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Exactly. Most Hispanics in Latin America self identify as white.

HarryBackside on June 28, 2013 at 1:59 PM

OK. Have you ever heard the Legacy Media refer to a “white Hispanic” before this case? I’ve only ever heard the terms Hispanic and Latino. Why differentiate now? Why are they bothering?

If most Hispanics in Latin America self identify as white, shouldn’t we have been hearing the term “white Hispanic” used a lot more often over the years?

visions on June 28, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Of course. Zimmerman is presumed to be innocent. He doesn’t have to prove one damn thing. It’s up to the state to prove his guilt.

Did you sleep through basic civics?

PackerBronco on June 28, 2013 at 2:04 PM

No doubt you feel the same about the OJ trial. The point is that Zimmerman has every motive not to tell the truth. His statements are part of the evidence, but their credibility (considering the potential consequences of his actions) is extremely low. Again, listen to the unedited interview between Zimmerman and Detective Serino. It is powerfully damning.

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Seriously?

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:02 PM

“I have nothing” –the Slave of HA, bigot racist among the top 3

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Quit your freakin’ racist whining. It got old a long time ago.

kingsjester on June 28, 2013 at 1:53 PM

It’s all the lying liberal idiot trolls have left.

They will never stop their racist lying.

From the top on down.

Whitey crackers must be destroyed.

cozmo on June 28, 2013 at 2:07 PM

What was Treyvon’s job that night?

coldwarrior on June 28, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Prowling?

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Seriously?

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Purple Drank mixer?

slickwillie2001 on June 28, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Of course. Zimmerman is presumed to be innocent. He doesn’t have to prove one damn thing. It’s up to the state to prove his guilt.

Did you sleep through basic civics?

PackerBronco on June 28, 2013 at 2:04 PM

One would think the learned “professor” would have taken basic American history courses, and learned about the ugly history of lynch mobs in this country. It might have helped him avoid joining the current one.

Doomberg on June 28, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Please note that current pictures of Trayvon are not being allowed to be seen in court.

kingsjester on June 28, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Zimmerman’s parents are NOT allowed in court, go figure.

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 2:05 PM

And Trayvon’s mommy sat beside the girlfriend during the interrogation interview.

workingclass artist on June 28, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Answer the question though. Why does Trayvon’s history matter, but Zimmerman’s violent history not matter?

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Hey brainiac, are either histories being allowed into the trial?

NotCoach on June 28, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Switching goal posts. Kingjester accused Trayvon of being a “thug” based on his suspensions from school. My question to him is how is Trayvon a “thug” based on his past. But Zimmerman isn’t? That is a question that is different from what’s happening in Court.

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:08 PM

“Trayvon Martin looks like the son i’d like to have” Barack Hussein Obama, POTUS. (FLASH Presidents desires son who’s a pot smoking thief and mugger) If it weren’t for that statement and the fact that NBC edited video tapes to alter facts, there wouldn’t be a trial at all. But what do I know, I’m a “creepy cracker.”

My biggest worry in this chimerical cavalcade is that there may be pressure on the jury to find Zimmerman guilty in order to avoid nation-wide black rioting. In summation this trial is going to fuel racial fires which could have been avoided if Obama had kept his mouth shut and the Florida courts had decided not to play the PC Game.

MaiDee on June 28, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Seriously?

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Martin was trying to outwatch Zimmerman, for the good of the dwellers.

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 2:08 PM

The witness yesterday did not say Zimmerman was ever on top. She couldn’t say what color shirt the one on top was wearing and based the assumption it was Zimmerman on top because all she saw was the picture of the 12 year old Martin because the media only pushed that image out to the people. Martin was taller than Zimmerman, she was mistaken.

cadams on June 28, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Hmmm you have no evidence that Trayvon was “prowling” with his iced tea and skittles. But I’m the racist? LOL!

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Did you sleep through basic civics?

PackerBronco on June 28, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Skipped that class as being unnecessary. Like all liberal lying trolls.

cozmo on June 28, 2013 at 2:09 PM

If Trayvon had the right to be anywhere he wanted in the neighborhood, why doen’t Zimmerman have that same right?

oldroy on June 28, 2013 at 2:09 PM

No doubt you feel the same about the OJ trial. The point is that Zimmerman has every motive not to tell the truth. His statements are part of the evidence, but their credibility (considering the potential consequences of his actions) is extremely low. Again, listen to the unedited interview between Zimmerman and Detective Serino. It is powerfully damning.

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:06 PM

You do realize that although inadmissible in court, Zimmerman passed a stress analysis test stating that he was telling the truth about the incident. Serino, the detective you keep going on and on about recommended that they bring NEGLIGENT MANSLAUGTER charges up against Zimmerman, but also said they didn’t have enough evidence and it would probably never stick in court.

melle1228 on June 28, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Zimmerman claims he was “smothered” yet also claims its his voice we hear screaming for help. Again, if you’re unwilling to listen to his unedited police interviews that says everything about your investment in this case.

http://trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/audio/george-zimmermans-statements-sanford-pd-audio/

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:10 PM

No doubt you feel the same about the OJ trial. The point is that Zimmerman has every motive not to tell the truth. His statements are part of the evidence, but their credibility (considering the potential consequences of his actions) is extremely low. Again, listen to the unedited interview between Zimmerman and Detective Serino. It is powerfully damning.

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:06 PM

I’ve done so and you have no case. You can’t prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

All you have are your own speculations which you have inflated into facts.

As for the OJ trial. Sure he had the presumption of innocence and he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt too. But we’re not going to re-argue that case here.

PackerBronco on June 28, 2013 at 2:10 PM

And your suggestion is that we should just believe him because a murderer trying to avoid jail time is credible?

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 1:59 PM

libfree, do you think all Hispanics are murderers, or just some of them?

faraway on June 28, 2013 at 2:10 PM

If the hoodie doesn’t fit, you must ACQUIT!

JUSTICE FOR JORGE!

Christien on June 28, 2013 at 2:10 PM

And your suggestion is that we should just believe him because a murderer trying to avoid jail time is credible?

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Nope. But I tend to look to see if there is evidence that contradicts the story.

You seem to be very interested in the recordings of his discussions with police. (Which, after the police and the DA compared them to the evidence decided not to charge him.)

Perhaps you could do a public service and document exactly what you claim are the lies in his story? (It’s ok, I’m not really expecting you to do that. I know if you state explicitly what you think is a lie it opens you up to being contradicted so you will by no means answer this question. Merely calling him a liar is what you wish to do without being specific.)

makattak on June 28, 2013 at 2:10 PM

…why doen’t Zimmerman have that same right?

oldroy on June 28, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Because he’s a white hispanic cracker you silly goose. Duh.

cozmo on June 28, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Just for libfree since he keeps bringing up Serino’s name:

On March 16, Serino told the Orlando Sentinel that his investigation had turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman’s account, that he had acted in self-defense. “The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event, everything I have is adding up to what he says…

melle1228 on June 28, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Zimmerman’s parents are NOT allowed in court, go figure.

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 2:05 PM

They are on the witness list. Witnesses aren’t allowed to view testimony.

NotCoach on June 28, 2013 at 2:11 PM

“I don’t read cursive” will go into the annals of the USA, into the hall of shame.

…all the billions spent on ‘education’, all for this.

Work harder, fools. obama is lobbying to bring sevearal millions of illegals from Africa, he who went to that door in Senegal…yes, where he spoke only about himself…his forefathers sent slaves from there. Oh, the hypocrisy is as thick as molasses.

Btw, GWB was there a few days ago – he only spoke about the real plight of the slaves, who were forced out that door, in shackles, by obama’s forefathers, the black and the muslim ones.

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 2:12 PM

The more this goes on, the more I’m convinced this trial is an appeasement to the race pimps who have whipped-up the black community. They’ve overcharged Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder, and the local police and DA weren’t going to charge him with anything until AG Pam Bondi had to get involved.

The prosecution then puts that Jeantrell cretin on the stand – the ‘star witness’ they had to know was going to crash & burn. But that’s who the parents and the race hustlers wanted to testify, so the prosecution obliged. This trial is just the state insulating themselves from the wrath of a mob.

RadClown on June 28, 2013 at 2:13 PM

And your suggestion is that we should just believe him because a murderer trying to avoid jail time is credible?

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Nope. But I tend to look to see if there is evidence that contradicts the story.

makattak on June 28, 2013 at 2:10 PM

He seems to be having a really hard time with this. For brainfree all white Hispanics are guilty until proven guilty.

NotCoach on June 28, 2013 at 2:13 PM

And your suggestion is that we should just believe him because a murderer trying to avoid jail time is credible?

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 1:59 PM

We should not believe anyone. We should just wait for all the facts and the jury’s verdict. It’s hard to be a tiny man and a dummy ‘liberal’ professor.

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Why differentiate now? Why are they bothering?

visions on June 28, 2013 at 2:06 PM

I already explained in my response to you.

Christien on June 28, 2013 at 2:14 PM

If most Hispanics in Latin America self identify as white, shouldn’t we have been hearing the term “white Hispanic” used a lot more often over the years?

visions on June 28, 2013 at 2:06 PM

People in Latin America don’t even use the term “Hispanic”. Describing someone as Hispanic is synonymous as describing a person from the UK or Germany as European.

But to your point, I agree that by using the term “White Hispanic”, the MSM are hoping that everyone will focus on the word “White” and not “Hispanic”.

HarryBackside on June 28, 2013 at 2:15 PM

melle1228 on June 28, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Is Serino white or black (or white hispanic)?

All libfree’s responses start with the assessment of race and proceed from there.

PackerBronco on June 28, 2013 at 2:15 PM

For brainfree all white Hispanics are guilty until proven guilty.

NotCoach on June 28, 2013 at 2:13 PM

He’s one of the 3 most bigoted racists and the top slavethendie on HA. There is nothing noble about him, evah.

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 2:15 PM

My white privilege is having a hard time with this white Hispanic thingy…

Seven Percent Solution on June 28, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Hmmm you have no evidence that Trayvon was “prowling” with his iced tea and skittles. But I’m the racist? LOL!

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:08 PM

If Trayvon had the right to do anything he wanted in the neighborhood, why doesn’t Zimmerman have the right to follow him and to be anywhere in his own neighborhood that he damn well pleased? Trayvon is conferred all rights by you only because he was Black, and Zimmerman is guilty only because he isn’t, you bigot.

And the sad part is, Oblamorama, 25% (at most) Black President of the US, has set the country up for race riots because of his lazy mind and mouth.

You going to participate? You going to take a shot at some crackers if that all Black jury acquits Zimmerman?

oldroy on June 28, 2013 at 2:15 PM

melle1228 on June 28, 2013 at 2:11 PM

As we know from the OJ trial. What can be proven in court and what actually happened are not always the same thing. The interviews with Serino show the numerous inconsistencies in Zimmerman’s story to the police. If OJ is “guilty’ in the minds of white folks, than those interviews are enough for Zimmerman to be “guilty’ in my mind. We’ll see what the jury does.

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 1:53 PM

Isn’t it a disgrace that Americans have to rely on UK news coverage to find out what’s happening?

Thanks for the link.

wyntre9 on June 28, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Has anyone seen signs that libfreeliveenslavedordie cares about the facts of this case at all? No?

Anti-Control on June 28, 2013 at 2:16 PM

3. He clearly admits he racially profiled Trayvon.

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 1:50 P

Is “creepy a** cracker” a racist term, libfree? Yes or no?

PackerBronco on June 28, 2013 at 2:16 PM

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:10 PM

I’m starting to wonder if maybe straws wouldn’t be a good investment for me at the rate you are grasping them.

NotCoach on June 28, 2013 at 2:16 PM

You going to participate? You going to take a shot at some crackers if that all Black jury acquits Zimmerman?

oldroy on June 28, 2013 at 2:15 PM

What the hell? The jury isn’t all black. But this just goes to show how racism distorts and twists the mind. Poor thing….

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:16 PM

“I don’t read cursive” will go into the annals of the USA, into the hall of shame.

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Nah, that only applies to cracker beauty pageant contestants.

Almost nobody remembers when John Wiley Price went nuts claiming that “black hole” was racist.

Odd how cracker is just fine here while another term for a southern swim team is not…

cozmo on June 28, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Just for libfree since he keeps bringing up Serino’s name:

On March 16, Serino told the Orlando Sentinel that his investigation had turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman’s account, that he had acted in self-defense. “The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event, everything I have is adding up to what he says…

melle1228 on June 28, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Maybe that’s the reason the prosecutors decided to not go the route of a grand jury, and charge Zimmerman without and indictment. After Jeantel and Good, had a grand jury heard them, I don’t think a True Bill would have been issued.

Liam on June 28, 2013 at 2:17 PM

than those interviews are enough for Zimmerman to be “guilty’ in my mind. We’ll see what the jury does.

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Real professors know that it’s “then those”.

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Zimmerman is a white Hispanic who was wearing a red and black jacket that night. Martin, who was black, was wearing a dark sweatshirt.

Can we STOP it with this farce already.

I’m beyond tired of the media trying to shoehorn in their fabrication about the man’s race in order to fit their “white man fatally oppresses black youth” narrative.

Vyce on June 28, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Plus, you don’t have a functioning mind and you are not a juror. YOU don’t count in that trial, slave.

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 2:18 PM

For all you libs…Zimmerman is a Hispanic here legally….martin was a punk….you libs ought to know what they look like because you have helped to create them in the inner city by destroying their families with welfare….no surprise that the race baiters are holding someone else accountable (Zimmerman) for the travesty that they created, that is what democrats do, blame someone else

crosshugger on June 28, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Yep, America needs it’s drama. This little adventure falls right at the feet of “if I had a son, he would look like Trayvon” and Hymie Town Sharpton.

DDay on June 28, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Honestly. How many of you actually believe there’s an all black jury in this case. Some nutty white supremacist delusions out there.

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:19 PM

We should just wait for all the facts and the jury’s verdict.

Then why are you championing this story mid-trial?

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:20 PM

It is obvious Attorney General Eric Holder gave the order for the prosecution of Zimmerman. There is no other explanation for this miscarriage of justice.

birdwatcher on June 28, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Honestly. How many of you actually believe there’s an all black jury in this case. Some nutty white supremacist delusions out there.

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:19 PM

None who think. FL is not that black and why should there be such a jury?

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Unless the prosecution puts on witnesses to support malice by Zimmerman, the judge should dismiss after the prosecution rests.

Ta111 on June 28, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Then why are you championing this story mid-trial?

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Because it’s on-going, in the news.

Why are you championing:

1. Guilty ahead of verdict?

2. Racism?

3. Ignorance?

4. Bigotry?

5. Chaos?

6. Hypocrisy?

7. Etc.?

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Unless the prosecution puts on witnesses to support malice by Zimmerman, the judge should dismiss after the prosecution rests.

Ta111 on June 28, 2013 at 2:20 PM

My thoughts as well, but the judge will not have the courage to do what is right. Not only should she dismiss the case after the prosecution rests, but dismiss it with prejudice.

NotCoach on June 28, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Hmmm you have no evidence that Trayvon was “prowling” with his iced tea and skittles. But I’m the racist? LOL!

libfreeordie

You have no evidence that he was just returning home from the store. And yes, you are the racist.

xblade on June 28, 2013 at 2:22 PM

As we know from the OJ trial. What can be proven in court and what actually happened are not always the same thing. The interviews with Serino show the numerous inconsistencies in Zimmerman’s story to the police. If OJ is “guilty’ in the minds of white folks, than those interviews are enough for Zimmerman to be “guilty’ in my mind. We’ll see what the jury does.

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:15 PM

OJ was guilty. Even the defenses own expert in forensics won’t say OJ was innocent. There was definitely enough evidence to convict OJ. The problem is the justice system is not racial like you claim. The justice system is run on the color green which at the time OJ had a lot. He got the best defense money could buy and the state got a bunch of incompetents. The theater alone was enough to overshadow the evidence and create “reasonable doubt” but that is exactly what it was – theater- it certainly didn’t fit the legal standard of reasonable doubt.

The Zimmerman case is completely different. Zimmerman should have NEVER been charged with Murder 2. There may be some argument on manslaughter, but Murder 2 is ridiculous and overzealous– just based on the racial bu11$hit attached to the case.

melle1228 on June 28, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Can we STOP it with this farce already.

I’m beyond tired of the media trying to shoehorn in their fabrication about the man’s race in order to fit their “white man fatally oppresses black youth” narrative.

Vyce on June 28, 2013 at 2:17 PM

After seeing how Zimmerman’s been described, I’ve decided to start calling 0dumba “a white African-American”…

Anti-Control on June 28, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Just for libfree since he keeps bringing up Serino’s name:

On March 16, Serino told the Orlando Sentinel that his investigation had turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman’s account, that he had acted in self-defense. “The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event, everything I have is adding up to what he says…

melle1228 on June 28, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Listened to #6, and yes, there are things that could be considered “inconsistencies” but nothing damning, certainly if you believe the report from Serino above.

Did Zimmerman hunt down Martin, instigate a confrontation, and then shoot him? NONE of the evidence points decisively to that conclusion, and much of the evidence corroborates Zimmerman’s account.

Oh, and ONLY white people think OJ did it?

questionmark on June 28, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Ever notice that the figure wearing a trench coat, hat, and mask on many neighborhood watch signs is black? Because RACIST!

Christien on June 28, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Honestly. How many of you actually believe there’s an all black jury in this case. Some nutty white supremacist delusions out there.

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:19 PM

The jury is five white and one hispanic. The fact that they have a 6 person jury is highly irregular in a case involving felony especially a case with a murder charge.

melle1228 on June 28, 2013 at 2:24 PM

if I had a son, he would look like Trayvon”

DDay on June 28, 2013 at 2:18 PM

I had forgotten about that.

I am truly ashamed for our country.

faraway on June 28, 2013 at 2:24 PM

It’s wrong to racially profile someone..

blink

But it’s not illegal. And for the record, Trayvon racially profiled “creepy assed cracker” Zimmerman as well.

xblade on June 28, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Hmmm you have no evidence that Trayvon was “prowling” with his iced tea and skittles. But I’m the racist? LOL!

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:08 PM

You have no clue how ridiculously stupid you are. You have NO evidence. Period. Yet, you, not I, have pronounced Z guilty. I will wait for the jury’s verdict. It’ll be a while until then.

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Actually, you can draw another conclusion. There is no evidence that Zimmerman is lying. If there was, it would be coming out in court. Almost all the evidence presently corroborates Zimmerman’s side of the story.

Doomberg on June 28, 2013 at 2:03 PM

At a minimum there is reasonable doubt. I would expect an acquittal.

dogsoldier on June 28, 2013 at 2:25 PM

There is no evidence that substantiates the second-degree murder charge. There has never been. The State of Florida overcharged this case…in addition to behaving in unethical behaviour that should cause sanctions to be assessed against Angela Corey, especially.

Resist We Much on June 28, 2013 at 2:26 PM

After seeing how Zimmerman’s been described, I’ve decided to start calling 0dumba “After seeing how Zimmerman’s been described, I’ve decided to start calling 0dumba “a white African-American”…

Anti-Control on June 28, 2013 at 2:23 PM”…

Anti-Control on June 28, 2013 at 2:23 PM

If Indonesia is consider part of Polynesia, I’d have to say “a white Polynesian African-American”.

Anti-Control on June 28, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Liam on June 28, 2013 at 2:26 PM

This has the appearance of over-charging by the prosecution, and that raises its own questions about motives involved in making that decision.

Well that’s a real mystery, if ever there was one, what the motive could have been.

VorDaj on June 28, 2013 at 2:26 PM

I see all this negativity against Mr. Martin and it confuses me.

Here’s the fact’s that aren’t up to dispute.

Mr. Martin was walking home minding his own business and Mr. Zimmerman “thought” he was a criminal of some sort.

I think we can all agree there.

Now, this is where things get fuzzy. Mr. Zimmerman is the one who approached Mr. Martin. So at this point, wouldnt Mr. Martin be the one who felt threatened? Now if they got into mutual combat at that point can a the onus of self defense then flip to the person who started the contact?

If I’m just walking down a street minding my business and a guy comes up and starts a fight with me, I fight back, I end up getting the better of him can he then pull out a gun and shoot me and claim self defense based on an altercation that he started?

That’s the question I really have about this case.

Politricks on June 28, 2013 at 1:43 PM

I “approach” people all the time, doesn’t mean a fight starts.

Wagthatdog on June 28, 2013 at 2:27 PM

libfreeordie on June 28, 2013 at 2:19 PM

No one said it was all black jury. You are projecting as usual. Someone merely brought a hypothetical backed up by the for instance–the OJ jury–OJ worked tirelessly to find the killer of his ex, did he not? Juries are the wild card. If this jury rules guilty (if it is not thrown out by the judge first), it will be thrown out eventually and you know it.

mwbri on June 28, 2013 at 2:27 PM

This case is all a media creation. No one would have heard about it unless some media individual resurrected the case several weeks after the event. Now the media pounced on it and created this big event. Also, I am somewhat concerned that Odumbo’s son would use such racially charged language.

rjoco1 on June 28, 2013 at 2:27 PM

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