CIA IG report raises warnings about relationship with NYPD

posted at 10:41 am on June 27, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

This has the potential to raise the same issues as the revelations about the NSA’s PRISM and BLARNEY programs did.  In the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, the CIA partnered with the New York City Police Department to improve intelligence gathering practices in general — and perhaps a little too specifically.  The Inspector General of the CIA warned that while no laws have apparently been broken, the relationship may be too close for comfort now with the American public:

The CIA inspector general’s report — completed in late 2011, but just declassified in response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by The New York Times — raises concerns about the relationship between the organizations.

The investigation found “irregular personnel practices” and “inadequate direction and control” by CIA managers “responsible for the relationship.”

“As a consequence, the risk to the Agency (CIA) is considerable and multifaceted,” said a memo from Inspector General David Buckley to David Petraeus, who was the CIA director at the time.

“While negative public perception is to be expected from the revelation of the agency’s close and direct collaboration with any local domestic police department, a perception that the agency has exceeded its authorities diminishes the trust place in the organization.”

What prompted the report?  The Associated Press ran a story that the CIA had gotten too involved with intelligence gathering through the NYPD.  The agency announced at the time that an internal investigation had exonerated itself:

The Associated Press reported that the NYPD Intelligence Division dispatched CIA-trained undercover officers into minority neighborhoods to gather intelligence on daily life in mosques, cafes, bars and bookstores.

It said police have used informers to monitor sermons during religious services and police officials keep tabs on clerics and gather intelligence on taxi cab drivers and food-cart vendors, who are often Muslim, in New York.

The New York Police Department blasted the report as “fictional.”

“Even for a piece driven by anonymous NYPD critics, it shows that we’re doing all we reasonably can to stop terrorists from killing more New Yorkers,” said police spokesman Paul Browne.

The CIA has also previously said that suggestions that it engaged in domestic spying were “simply wrong.”

The secret-until-now IG report seems to reach a more nuanced conclusion.  What else might be meant by the impact of “irregular personnel practices” and “inadequate direction and control” by CIA managers “responsible for the relationship”?   Usually, one does not spot “inadequate direction and control” unless it results in inappropriate behavior; otherwise, the lack of control doesn’t manifest itself.  That’s something normally determined by hindsight rather than foresight.

It also raises another question: why is the CIA interfacing with local law enforcement agencies at all?  The FBI is responsible for domestic intelligence work, not the CIA, and the two agencies are supposed to be working more closely together on that effort after the PATRIOT Act and FISA amendments adopted after 9/11.  Why isn’t the FBI working with the NYPD intelligence units, rather than the CIA?  That would make more sense, and give the effort better legal and political cover, especially since any action on terrorism conducted within the US would have to be adjudicated by federal courts, not military commissions.  The FBI is better suited to deal with those contingencies than the CIA.

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CIA cozying up with the NYPD. Well, they just want to know Allahpundit’s true identity….like the rest of us.
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ted c on June 27, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Relax, you flyover buffoons, we have oversight in place.

Besides, Weiner Man will soon by mayor and he is as trustworthy as they come.

-_-

Bishop on June 27, 2013 at 10:48 AM

I’m curious to know who CIA was looking into. I’m sure it wasn’t any mosques.

Liam on June 27, 2013 at 10:48 AM

why is the CIA interfacing with local law enforcement agencies at all?

It was after 9/11. I don’t see the problem here. They were investigating Muslims after 9/11, looking for international terrorists.

What am I missing?

PattyJ on June 27, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Nothing to see here…doma is dead
-lsm

cmsinaz on June 27, 2013 at 10:57 AM

The New York Police Department blasted the report as “fictional.”

“Even for a piece driven by anonymous NYPD critics, it shows that we’re doing all we reasonably can to stop terrorists from killing more New Yorkers,” said police spokesman Paul Browne.

Sort of like the NSA’s contradictory response to Snowden. Everything he said is false, but these are some horrible leaks he’s guilty of. Actually, if the police want to do some undercover work in mosques fomenting terrorism, and they have probable cause, then I’m all for it, except the CIA shouldn’t be involved. What the heck are they thinking?

Fenris on June 27, 2013 at 11:00 AM

Nothing to see here…doma is dead
-lsm

cmsinaz on June 27, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Of all the Dems who voted for it, these jokers remain:

Harry Reid
Chuck Schumer
Dick Durbin
Patrick Leahy
Steny Hoyer
Rosa DeLauro
Ben Cardin (In the House at the time but now a senator)
Robert Menendez (In the House at the time but now a senator)

And, of course, Clinton signed it.

I don’t see a big story about CIA getting intel from NYPD. I’m sure they needed the help. Far as I’m concerned, CIA really stands for Can’t Investigate Anything.

Liam on June 27, 2013 at 11:08 AM

They were investigating Muslims after 9/11, looking for international terrorists.

What am I missing?

PattyJ on June 27, 2013 at 10:54 AM

‘Muslims’ is not the same as ‘foreign agents’ (legally). The CIA is not supposed to do intelligence collection within the US (legally).

GWB on June 27, 2013 at 11:09 AM

It also raises another question: why is the CIA interfacing with local law enforcement agencies at all? The FBI is responsible for domestic intelligence work, not the CIA…

I don’t know. I just don’t know anymore. Insanity has taken over.

This nation operates on such an [expletive deleted] backwards level, I don’t know how we are getting anything done. I mean really, do we need the CIA and the NSA? Can’t the FBI do what the ATF, ICE, Secret Service (which was shockingly part of the Treasury Department, look it up), and only God knows what other federal alphabet soup investigative group is out there, does?

BigGator5 on June 27, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Battlefield America….just that we are (or will be) the “bad guys”…

Some conservatives don’t seem to realize that yet.

William Eaton on June 27, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Just another example of the Fedearal Gov’t. creating a coup d’état. But no worries. Obama, Rubio and the gang of ha8 has it under control.

they lie on June 27, 2013 at 11:14 AM

I used to have so much respect and admiration for law enforcement. Thought they were the good guys. Not anymore. I see them now as little more than muscle for a corrupt fascist state, free from any consequences for their illegal actions. Countries like that only go from bad to worse.

Rational Thought on June 27, 2013 at 11:14 AM

raises warnings about relationship with NYPD

I did not have intelligence relations with that woman…um, err, police department…

I am hard-pressed to come up with any rationale as to why there was a direct Agency-NYPD relationship absent the FBI as interlocutor.

We really need to rescind that entire Patriot Act, the DHS, ODNI, and get back to sanity, once we are free from the shackles of the present Administration. 2016 can’t come soon enough.

coldwarrior on June 27, 2013 at 11:16 AM

The article makes much out of nothing.

CIA training?

faraway on June 27, 2013 at 11:18 AM

We really need to rescind that entire Patriot Act, the DHS, ODNI, and get back to sanity, once we are free from the shackles of the present Administration. 2016 can’t come soon enough.

coldwarrior on June 27, 2013 at 11:16 AM

What — and force the layoffs of all those union people? The Dems will never let it happen even of the Pubs had the guts to try.

Liam on June 27, 2013 at 11:19 AM

The same NYPD that has .50 caliber sniper rifles for anti-aircraft capabilities?

I no longer consider New York an American state. It is its own totalitarian regime, complete with a military.

MadisonConservative on June 27, 2013 at 11:22 AM

MadisonConservative on June 27, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Even police here in my town are paramilitary. I once saw a raid in progress, and the cops were in camouflage with M16s and M4s. The building had a grate over the door, typical of those used by stores to prevent robberies. They used an SUV to pull away the grate with a heavy chain.

Liam on June 27, 2013 at 11:28 AM

This might be one the dumber thing I’ve ever seen here at HotAir.

“It also raises another question: why is the CIA interfacing with local law enforcement agencies at all? The FBI is responsible for domestic intelligence work, not the CIA, and the two agencies are supposed to be working more closely together”

You answered your own question: The CIA is supposed to work with domestic law enforcement, and not just exclusively the FBI, and so the are working with the NYPD. I bet they’re working with lots of state law enforcement agencies, and the NYPD has functions similar in scope and responsibility to state law enforcement agencies.

Moreover, if the CIA wasn’t working with law enforcement in ares wil concentrations of muslim immigrants, I’d be truly scared. The FBI works for law enforcement, which means they are primarily concerned with after-the-fact events (despite their out of character responsibility for domestic counter-intelligence)and the CIA works to prevent future attacks. More, and not less, NYPD spying on mosques and Imams please.

MTF on June 27, 2013 at 11:44 AM

It appears that the panic by law enforcement agencies to connect the dots after 9/11 has opened the Pandora’s box of authorities over-stepping their boundaries as written by law. Even the admission that the NYPD allowed CIA operatives to “work” on American soil, (under-cover), on the behalf of the NYPD is illegal under our Federal statutes. Period. I don’t believe there is anything in the Patriot Act that allows discretionary powers to be circumvented in this case.

Mr. Morrissey said:

“Why isn’t the FBI working with the NYPD intelligence units, rather than the CIA?………..The FBI is better suited to deal with those contingencies than the CIA.”

I would submit that given the egregious liberties the Federal Government has taken since President Obama has been in office, (and to be fair, including George Bush’s tenure)—the scandals of the IRS, NSA, CIA, FBI, and other authority agencies under the direction of the Federal Government and OUR PRESIDENT is approaching grounds for criminal prosecution by the people. Unfortunately, the recourse for grievances has to rely on a corrupt Department of Justice, (Eric Holder), who can some how task themselves with their own internal investigations, and expect the people to respect the results of their self-imposed examinations. How can we expect other nations to respect our rule of law, with the deterioration of the trust in our government by its own people? Who’s responsibility is it to re-establish this trust? Mr. Morrissey’s supposition that the CIA “may be” out of bounds speaks volumes about a federal government totally out of control with respect to our laws, both morally and constitutionally. At this point, I see no boundaries to this government’s indiscretions, or any enforcement tool to keep them in check.

Rovin on June 27, 2013 at 11:49 AM

why is the CIA interfacing with local law enforcement agencies at all?

It was after 9/11. I don’t see the problem here. They were investigating Muslims after 9/11, looking for international terrorists.

What am I missing?

PattyJ on June 27, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Dearborn?

workingclass artist on June 27, 2013 at 11:59 AM

It was after 9/11. I don’t see the problem here. They were investigating Muslims after 9/11, looking for international terrorists.
What am I missing?
PattyJ on June 27, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Yup. If US intelligence is not keeping tabs on the pool from which Islamic terrorists are drawn that would be a problem.

whatcat on June 27, 2013 at 12:12 PM

The Associated Press reported that the NYPD Intelligence Division dispatched CIA-trained undercover officers into minority neighborhoods to gather intelligence on daily life in mosques, cafes, bars and bookstores.

Hey, send in the IRS to see what books they’re reading, and what’s in their prayers!

BTW, if any of those Muslim taxi drivers or food vendors is caught with a 17-ounce soda, the CIA needs to turn him over to Bloomy!

Steve Z on June 27, 2013 at 12:16 PM

MTF on June 27, 2013 at 11:44 AM

For decades, CIA was indeed working domestically…targeting foreigners or those with unique foreign contacts through the former FR (Foreign Resources) Division of the DO, which later became DCD (Domestic Collection Division) and then whatever they call themselves now under the National Clandestine Services. And in those cases the rule was coordination with FBI was required. A matter of law.

But direct CIA-police department interface? With no FBI go-between?

At what point would local law enforcement cross a line and actively aid CIA in conducting operations not compatible with CIA’s charter or established law? Couple of rogue cops, couple of cops who imagine themselves doing the Jack Bauer thing…just going all medieval on the citizens because, well, they are with the CIA…nver happen, right? Not once? Not ever?

Targeting, interviewing and looking at inhabitants of Dearborn, or any other concentration of foreign nationalities of interest is one thing, and we’ve been doing it for decades….half the families of the old Amal militia resided in Dearborn back in the 80′s…but we had the FBI right there with us.

CIA working, even training, local law enforcement directly seems to but a small step away from all of us needing to be a bit more afraid of government.

Spent a career with the Agency, mostly abroad, and I find it anathema that this direct CIA-NYPD relationship exists, or was even allowed to come to exist.

One little bit of established law discarded, one little bit of liberty set aside, one little bit of the Constitution or rule of law tossed on the trash heap…not a big deal to way too many.

After a while all those little bits add up to major significance…and by then, well, might be a little bit too late.

coldwarrior on June 27, 2013 at 12:29 PM

It was after 9/11. I don’t see the problem here. They were investigating Muslims after 9/11, looking for international terrorists.

What am I missing?

PattyJ on June 27, 2013 at 10:54 AM

The CIA is prohibited – by LAW and by their CHARTER – from conducting operations of any type within the United States. There are – supposedly “rare – exceptions…such as when an agent is following a terrorist suspect overseas and the suspect enters the US. The agent can continue to follow the terr, but he must be handed off to the FBI or some other domestic agency at the first opportunity.
Going to mosques daily and the other activities is a clear and blatant violation of the law and their charter.

…Secret Service (which was shockingly part of the Treasury Department, look it up),…

BigGator5 on June 27, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Not so shocking. The Secret Service was originally formed to investigate and apprehend counterfeiters – and that is still part of their duties. (Executive protection is a relatively small part of what the SS does.)

Solaratov on June 27, 2013 at 12:46 PM

ted c on June 27, 2013 at 10:47 AM

He’s really Newman from Seinfeld. And just as evil.

abobo on June 27, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Remember when everybody thought Alex Jones was acting like a nut job after he posted a video claiming the CIA/NYPD were following him around the city trying to intimidate him after his appearance with Piers Morgan regarding second amendment rights? Maybe it’s not as far fetched as we once though.

Here’s the videos, incase you need a refresher:

http://youtu.be/wa77WzFlRaA

dom89031 on June 27, 2013 at 1:03 PM

The CIA forgot the importance of “cut outs”.
They should have seconded those agents to DHS, and then had Homeland Security provide “training” to the NYPD, which is within their province, but is forbidden FTMP to the CIA, who is supposed to restrict its intelligence to activities outside the territorial limits of the USA.

Another Drew on June 27, 2013 at 1:13 PM