Poll: Half of American women support late-term abortion ban

posted at 3:21 pm on June 26, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Consider this a companion piece to the earlier story coming out of the Texas legislature.  While a mob shouted down a vote on an abortion ban after 20 weeks, a National Journal poll shows a plurality of support for such a law among all Americans.  Furthermore, it gains a majority among all women:

Texas state Sen. Wendy Davis galvanized abortion-rights supporters–and even the White House–with a dramatic filibuster of a bill that would have outlawed all abortions after 20 weeks. But the latest United Technologies/National Journal Congressional Connection Poll shows that a plurality of Americans supports a ban on late abortions.

Americans favor such a bill by 48 percent to 44 percent.

Support was greatest among Republicans, 59 percent in support, but 53 percent of Americans not affiliated with either major party sided with the GOP. A majority of Democrats, 59 percent, were opposed while only 33 percent were in favor.

NJ warns that this issue could “fracture” Democrats, thanks to support from a perhaps-unexpected demographic:

Overall, the survey suggests that the 20-week abortion measure fractures some of the modern Democratic coalition. Among all age groups, it was young Americans–who have regularly sided with Democratic priorities in the age of Obama–who most strongly supported the measure (52 percent). The measure also received the support of 51 percent of white women, both those who are college educated and those who are not.

Among voters 18-29 years of age, the gap is 13 points at 52/39.  That is a key demographic, as this is the group that one would expect to be most impacted by abortion restrictions.  If younger voters support restrictions on abortion while the Democratic Party insists on nothing less than unrestricted abortion up to birth — the position staked out by the party during the House debate on the abortion restriction — their ability to argue that Republicans are extremist on social issues will dissipate.

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NJ warns that this issue could “fracture” Democrats

Imagine what it does to the baby.

John the Libertarian on June 26, 2013 at 3:24 PM

They have been corrupted by the patriarchy, unenlightened.

They need a few lesbian experiences to get their heads fixed, as per former NOW leaders have said.

Liam on June 26, 2013 at 3:25 PM

I know some “Christian” women (at least they call themselves Christians) who support late term abortions.

Then again, they like 0bama and Pelosi, so what do you expect?

UltimateBob on June 26, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Do these women even know what is involved with late term abortion?? Have they even heard of the murderer Kermit Gosnel? I say they are just low information voters..

http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/facts/pbafacts.html

What is Partial-Birth Abortion?
Partial-Birth Abortion is a procedure in which the abortionist pulls a living baby feet-first out of the womb and into the birth canal (vagina), except for the head, which the abortionist purposely keeps lodged just inside the cervix (the opening to the womb). The abortionist punctures the base of the baby’s skull with a surgical instrument, such as a long surgical scissors or a pointed hollow metal tube called a trochar. He then inserts a catheter (tube) into the wound, and removes the baby’s brain with a powerful suction machine. This causes the skull to collapse, after which the abortionist completes the delivery of the now-dead baby.

this is pure, unadulterated evil and anyone who can possibly support it is insane and morally corrupt

sadsushi on June 26, 2013 at 3:28 PM

I’m still waiting for a sound explanation for why the federal government should usurp any more power than it already has on this issue.

If the citizens of a state, acting through their lawfully enacted representatives, want abortion to be legal at the 20-week mark (or later), isn’t that their business?

Armin Tamzarian on June 26, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Alongside the “War on Boys,” there is also a War on Girls, on femininity, on compassion, on selflessness.

29Victor on June 26, 2013 at 3:31 PM

I know some “Christian” women (at least they call themselves Christians) who support late term abortions.

UltimateBob on June 26, 2013 at 3:25 PM

My wife has a Christian(?) friend who apparently says to people that she believes that all babies go to Heaven so abortion isn’t a problem for her.

Of course she also believes that she will go to Heaven so I wonder if she would have a problem with someone killing her.

29Victor on June 26, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Dems – the Death Party

faraway on June 26, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Show the hands and feet Gosnell severed from the “late term fetuses” and and the support goes WAY down.

LASue on June 26, 2013 at 3:34 PM

I’m still waiting for a sound explanation for why the federal government should usurp any more power than it already has on this issue.

If the citizens of a state, acting through their lawfully enacted representatives, want abortion to be legal at the 20-week mark (or later), isn’t that their business?

Armin Tamzarian on June 26, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Amen. And if they want to own a black man that should be up to their state to decide!

Stand firm Tamzarian!

29Victor on June 26, 2013 at 3:34 PM

If the citizens of a state, acting through their lawfully enacted representatives, want abortion to be legal at the 20-week mark (or later), isn’t that their business?

Armin Tamzarian on June 26, 2013 at 3:31 PM

And if a state, acting through their lawfully enacted representatives, want abortion illegal in all circumstances, isn’t that their business?

John the Libertarian on June 26, 2013 at 3:34 PM

I’m still waiting for a sound explanation for why the federal government should usurp any more power than it already has on this issue.

Armin Tamzarian on June 26, 2013 at 3:31 PM

You have to ask Democrats, RINOs, and other liberals for the answer.

But don’t expect them to be honest about it.

Liam on June 26, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Amen. And if they want to own a black man that should be up to their state to decide!

Stand firm Tamzarian!

29Victor on June 26, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Prior to the passing of the Civil War Amendments, I would be compelled to agree.

And if a state, acting through their lawfully enacted representatives, want abortion illegal in all circumstances, isn’t that their business?

John the Libertarian on June 26, 2013 at 3:34 PM

I’ve made it clear before that I consider Roe v. Wade to be an expansion of federal government power that has no legitimate basis in the Constitution. If some backwater hellhole wanted to make abortion completely illegal, that would be their business. So would dealing with the ensuing teen pregnancy epidemic.

Armin Tamzarian on June 26, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Half of them don’t.

lostmotherland on June 26, 2013 at 3:40 PM

You have to ask Democrats, RINOs, and other liberals for the answer.

But don’t expect them to be honest about it.

Liam on June 26, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Slow down here for a second. Are you saying that it is principally Democrats, RINO’s and other liberals who are pushing for a national late-term abortion ban? If so, then we are in complete agreement: anyone who wants to expand the federal government’s reach even further into abortion law is very much acting in accordance with liberal impulses.

Armin Tamzarian on June 26, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Traitors!
/

El_Terrible on June 26, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Americans favor such a bill by 48 percent to 44 percent.

Really? Guess none of ‘em were in Texas last night. The baby-killing continues apace…

mrsknightley on June 26, 2013 at 3:46 PM

If it is only 48% against this horror, (only 59% of GOP) we are more doomed than even I think, and I’ve been 95% sure we were doomed since Obama, President anti-BAIPA, won election. It jumped to 99% upon his reelection. Now…yeah we are doomed.

…they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.

I’d say the United States of America qualifies. And because the younger groups are slightly more opposed to the brutal slaughter of fully formed babies may raise the percentage to only 99.99 rather than 100% sure. It is too little too late.

Therefore, do not thou pray for this people, and do not take up praise and prayer for them: for I will not hear them in the time of their cry to me, in the time of their affliction.

Romans 1…we are them. Wake up and prepare. And I’m not talking about stockpiling food and weapons.

God have mercy.

pannw on June 26, 2013 at 3:47 PM

I’ve made it clear before that I consider Roe v. Wade to be an expansion of federal government power that has no legitimate basis in the Constitution.

Armin Tamzarian on June 26, 2013 at 3:40 PM

I too believe federalism to be the answer in most circumstances, but on this issue it depends on when you believe a human is a human. I personally cannot cross the viability threshold.

John the Libertarian on June 26, 2013 at 3:47 PM

You don’t even have a majority against late term abortions…sick.

IR-MN on June 26, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Although this poll is very close in number between those for/against late-term abortions, we are looking at the continued influence of dumbed-down schools led by leftists teachers/professors.

Even young women can be fooled into thinking that infanticide is, indeed, kewl.

Unfortunately, the mothering instinct seems to be slowing being eradicated amongst females these days, along with their babies.

avagreen on June 26, 2013 at 3:49 PM

I think we should call pro choice supporters Extremists. Start now.

Fleuries on June 26, 2013 at 3:49 PM

I believe it is more than half when it comes to the Gosnell nightmare scenario.

I have to believe that. I don’t want to lose hope.

jazzuscounty on June 26, 2013 at 3:49 PM

I’m still waiting for a sound explanation for why the federal government should usurp any more power than it already has on this issue.
If the citizens of a state, acting through their lawfully enacted representatives, want abortion to be legal at the 20-week mark (or later), isn’t that their business?
Armin Tamzarian on June 26, 2013 at 3:31 PM

It’s called row v wade. That ruling MADE it a federal level civil right and no law can infringe upon it.

But you knew that already.

Skywise on June 26, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Armin Tamzarian on June 26, 2013 at 3:43 PM

What I’m saying, Armin, is that the Feds are stealing our rights. All those I mentioned want total license for late-term. Doing that, they lock out people who have a different view.

My biggest problem is that the Federal government says what we can’t have, over and above the rights of the States and to the People, respectively.

And the Federal Courts issue edicts against us.

I oppose abortion and homosexual marriage. That’s my personal view.

That said, the Federal government has no Constitutional authority get get anywhere near the matters. Properly, it belongs to the individual States to decide as they and their citizens will.

I demand liberty, and reject license.

Liam on June 26, 2013 at 3:53 PM

My wife has a Christian(?) friend who apparently says to people that she believes that all babies go to Heaven so abortion isn’t a problem for her.

Of course she also believes that she will go to Heaven so I wonder if she would have a problem with someone killing her.

29Victor on June 26, 2013 at 3:33 PM

If she believes that, then she supports Satan who is the father of lies. Tell her this in response – “If anyone causes one of these little ones–those who believe in me–to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.” Mathew 18:6

Cherokee on June 26, 2013 at 3:53 PM

You don’t even have a majority against late term abortions…sick.

IR-MN on June 26, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Polls are a game.

They poll 1000 people (not a random sample) and try telling us this is the heartbeat of a nation of 310 million.

Statistically, this is like me finding a green salamander and concluding all salamanders are green.

Liam on June 26, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Show the hands and feet Gosnell severed from the “late term fetuses” and and the support goes WAY down.

LASue on June 26, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Actually I think the problem with Gosnell as an example is that he can be goated as an outlier. “Oh, he’s a bad guy and should be punished, but I support reproductive rights anyway. PP facilities aren’t like that.”

Missy on June 26, 2013 at 3:58 PM

I bet they didn’t poll all the women who have been aborted.

The Rogue Tomato on June 26, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Show the hands and feet Gosnell severed from the “late term fetuses” and and the support goes WAY down.

LASue on June 26, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Bingo Sue. The photo of the baby with his (or her) spine ruthlessly cut still haunts me. Anyone that can see that and argue that a human life was not taken is either a complete moron, a liar, or pure evil. There is no middle ground IMO.

JusDreamin on June 26, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Poll: Half of American women support late-term abortion ban

Texas state Sen. Wendy Davis doesn’t believe this. Even if she thought it were possible, she KNOWS better. All the PP/NOW/NARAL types KNOW better. That’s the problem with us abortion-deniers; we just don’t KNOW enough or KNOW the right stuff.

Knowledge without wisdom… etc.

Marcola on June 26, 2013 at 4:01 PM

I believe it is more than half when it comes to the Gosnell nightmare scenario.

I have to believe that. I don’t want to lose hope.

jazzuscounty on June 26, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Amen Jazz

JusDreamin on June 26, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Actually I think the problem with Gosnell as an example is that he can be goated as an outlier. “Oh, he’s a bad guy and should be punished, but I support reproductive rights anyway. PP facilities aren’t like that.”

Missy on June 26, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Lip service from the liberals. They used to say late-term murder was rare to save a woman’s life. That lie proven now, so they freak.

Gosnell is no aberration at all. That’s why, I’m convinced, those who are comfortable with the murder of babies fight so hard for Texas to require abortion mills meet common medical standards of any other clinic that does outpatient care.

Liam on June 26, 2013 at 4:04 PM

for=against

Liam on June 26, 2013 at 4:06 PM

This is why I am not against going after late term abortion, in fact it is low hanging fruit. What I am against is using religious arguments against it because it ends up dividing people who would otherwise work together to end the practice. Just use common sense arguments against it that everyone can agree to.

(1) Late term abortion goes against Roe vs. Wade because child is viable outside of the womb. In other words the child can be kept alive outside of the womb with modern technology that was not around in the 1970s, therefore the child is an American citizen protected by the constitution and legal system as such. Therefore late term abortions are murder under current law and based on all legal decisions by the courts. Let see the left try to argue against Roe vs. Wade.

(2) Late term abortion unfairly targets minorities, mostly African-Americans, and therefore is racially motivated population control. Let’s see the left argue in favor of racially motivated population control.

There are a few others you can make, but stay away from the bible waving and please for the love of god don’t mention rape. Also you are going to have put a provision in to protect the life of the mother, etc. That would have to be done in a hospital setting, under a clear circumstance in which the life of the mother is in serious jeopardy and she has signed off on it, not some abortion clinic run by Planned Parenthood.

If you are a Christian conservative, there is nothing wrong with expressing you religious views or that you think all abortion must be banned, but realize that in order to accomplish that you are going need more than just Christian conservatives. You are going need people who are not practicing Christians. Pointing to passages in the bible is not going to get it done. Also Christian conservatives have to realize you cannot ban all abortion overnight. You have to start somewhere, and banning late term abortion is something that can be done now with just a little finesse, good debate and argument.

William Eaton on June 26, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Homosexuals running amok and a bunch of dead babies. What a country!

Mason on June 26, 2013 at 4:14 PM

stay away from the bible waving and please for the love of god

You have no idea how incompatible that statement is with your intended point.

Liam on June 26, 2013 at 4:15 PM

I fail to see what the problem is, let the liberal skanks abort their demonspawn. More than likely it is going to grow up to be a libtard anyway so there’s one less future mooch. Do you really think that any kids these skanks would birth have a snowballs chance of amounting to much of anything with self absorbed hateful pigs like these as mothers?

bbinfl on June 26, 2013 at 4:17 PM

The young poll responders just want to sound nice when talking about an issue that involves death. But they aren’t going to respond pro-life concerns on this issue.

thuja on June 26, 2013 at 4:20 PM

I fail to see what the problem is, let the liberal skanks abort their demonspawn.
bbinfl on June 26, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Emotionally, I can agree with you.

However, and realistically, they’re still babies.

Accident of birth is no reason to murder them.

Liam on June 26, 2013 at 4:23 PM

The young poll responders just want to sound nice when talking about an issue that involves death. But they aren’t going to respond pro-life concerns on this issue.

thuja on June 26, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Glad you admit life and the death of that life are involved.

Liam on June 26, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Overall, the survey suggests that the 20-week abortion measure fractures some of the modern Democratic coalition. Among all age groups, it was young Americans–who have regularly sided with Democratic priorities in the age of Obama–who most strongly supported the measure (52 percent). The measure also received the support of 51 percent of white women, both those who are college educated and those who are not.

Yup. Speaking with other millennials, this is the one beacon of hope I see in my generation.

Stoic Patriot on June 26, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Actually I think the problem with Gosnell as an example is that he can be goated as an outlier. “Oh, he’s a bad guy and should be punished, but I support reproductive rights anyway. PP facilities aren’t like that.”

Missy on June 26, 2013 at 3:58 PM


So…….how do you know that? Been to every one?
Our local one was quite the different story. The CEO was arrested last year for indecent exposure to another man. Both he and his business partner/lover are questionable in their ethics. His business partner works for a local “therapist” as the bookkeeper who was double charging a family member (BC/BS was paying the bill to the tune of $400 a mo, as well as the family member paying $400 a mo. for over a year until I called BC/BS to wise them up.) So much for ethics of this group who run PP in this town.

At any rate, looks like they are just another constituent of the leftists, who use groups in their eternal search for power. The leftists have used this group, just as they have every other group, including gays according to Hillbuzz.org to divide/ get into/keep power, and to disrupt/destroy the family unit and other bases of power of this nation.

“Planned Parenthood

Planned Parenthood is a not-for-profit family planning and reproductive health organization with a left-leaning super PAC that backs candidates running for political office who support abortion rights. ”

“REVOLVING DOOR
10 out of 14 Planned Parenthood lobbyists in 2012 have previously held government jobs ”

“Top Candidate Recipients, 2011-2012
Barack Obama (D) $66,380
Patrick Murphy (D-FL) $19,976
Sherrod Brown (D-OH) $16,854
Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) $16,242
Tammy Baldwin (D-WI) $15,427″
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000591

avagreen on June 26, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Liam on June 26, 2013 at 4:04 PM

I agree, I just hate to see them given an out of any sort. I think it is best to focus on Gosnell’s everyday abortions rather than the weird fetishistic activities which could be portrayed as anomalies. It is the everyday abortions that FOR SURE are going on all over the country and FOR SURE are still actively supported by the pro-abortion movement.

Missy on June 26, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Emotionally, I can agree with you.

However, and realistically, they’re still babies.

Accident of birth is no reason to murder them.

Liam on June 26, 2013 at 4:23 PM

I understand that but frankly I’m to the point I despise everything about libtard scum, their families, their friends and any other scumbags that would associate with them. Why should I give any courtesy to those that want to steal from me or kill me just because I don’t have the same pathetic worldview they do? Eff em all.

bbinfl on June 26, 2013 at 4:30 PM

avagreen on June 26, 2013 at 4:26 PM

I hope you don’t think that was my own opinion I was quoting. I am suggesting that as a typical, and typically wrong, leftist response.

Missy on June 26, 2013 at 4:30 PM

We have a divided nation.
Sometimes I rue the fact we live with each other.

freedomfirst on June 26, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Let’s see the left argue in favor of racially motivated population control.

They already do, indirectly, with their grotesque Sanger-love. But I get your point.

Missy on June 26, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Missy on June 26, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Liberals take a stand, they just want and covet. They never want to know the details.

That’s why they tried using RICO and anti-obscenity laws to stop baby-lovers from showing what abortion is all about.

If you want to murder a baby, you gotta hide the truth and details of it. Especially from yourself, from your own head.

The baby-killers hide that, but have a great affection for the killers of baby seals. And, they hide that the truth of that video is ‘animal-rights activists’ were the one clubbing those baby seals to death.

If liberals couldn’t find a new low, they’d have nothing to do and have no case to make.

Liam on June 26, 2013 at 4:35 PM

bbinfl on June 26, 2013 at 4:30 PM

I can relate entirely.

I want liberals to experience Obamacare and the impending amnesty. In full.

I want liberals to finally pay for the things they have advocated so long, them finally paying from their own wallets what they have imposed on everyone else, while getting off scot-free.

But they’re adults, who weren’t aborted.

I can’t and won’t condemn their babies, because they’re babies who have nothing to do with any adult matters.

Babies aren’t born liberal. They’re born as babies.

Liam on June 26, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Missy on June 26, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Sorry. My bad. I didn’t pay attention to the quotes you used.

avagreen on June 26, 2013 at 4:39 PM

If some backwater hellhole wanted to make abortion completely illegal, that would be their business. So would dealing with the ensuing teen pregnancy epidemic.

Armin Tamzarian on June 26, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Sure.

And Gosnell should have been left alone.

He had every right to stuff his refrigerator with the pieces of dead babies.

It was a very effective way of dealing with the teen pregnancy epidemic.

itsspideyman on June 26, 2013 at 4:40 PM

this is pure, unadulterated evil and anyone who can possibly support it is insane and morally corrupt

sadsushi on June 26, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Well that pretty much sums up liberals.

Dr. Frank Enstine on June 26, 2013 at 4:40 PM

But they’re adults, who weren’t aborted.

Liam on June 26, 2013 at 4:39 PM

They may not have been aborted but I’d argue against them being adults.

bbinfl on June 26, 2013 at 4:44 PM

this is pure, unadulterated evil and anyone who can possibly support it is insane and morally corrupt

sadsushi on June 26, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Well that pretty much sums up liberals.

Dr. Frank Enstine on June 26, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Yup.

+1000

Liam on June 26, 2013 at 4:44 PM

They may not have been aborted but I’d argue against them being adults.

bbinfl on June 26, 2013 at 4:44 PM

LOL Got me on that one!

Liam on June 26, 2013 at 4:45 PM

avagreen on June 26, 2013 at 4:39 PM

No worries! I am in total agreement with you, and your response actually provided good material to use in reply to lefties.

Missy on June 26, 2013 at 4:45 PM

and 1/2 do not. Now if we can dispense with morality legislation and get on with stuff we can actually control and govern….

paulsur on June 26, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Liam on June 26, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Yes. It is very telling that pro-lifers say exactly what they want to do – end abortion. Show people what abortion looks like. Be honest. Use science.

It is the pro-choicers who want to hide, disguise, euphemize the discussion, cover up the reality. The very term “pro-choice” is a euphemism.

BTW some pro-choicers think they’re insulting pro-lifers by calling them “anti-abortion.” I am completely fine with being called anti-abortion. I AM anti-abortion, totally. That is exactly my position.

Missy on June 26, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Earlier today, I saw FNC’s Kelly discuss this with Monica Crowley and Kirsten Powers. (It was a yummy panel discussion, but I digress.) And I was mildly surprised that Powers simply couldn’t get her mind around pro-choice people who oppose bans on late-term abortions. In short, she’s pro-choice, but she thinks the late-term-ban opponents are ghouls.

In truth, the pro-life segment should seriously consider drawing the line on legislative solutions with late-term abortion bands. Sure, keep up the pressure on ancillary aspects (parental consent/notification; conscience exceptions; governmental funding; funding Planned Parenthood). Instead, devote the time and energy to counseling, promoting adoption, promoting the message of kids after–not before–marriage; and the like. Abortion is a national shame, but it’s here to stay, up to a point.

In the end, I’m tired of losing elections over campaign missteps. And I think we sure could have used two GOP senators right now, rather than McCaskill and the freshman IN senator.

BuckeyeSam on June 26, 2013 at 4:49 PM

BTW some pro-choicers think they’re insulting pro-lifers by calling them “anti-abortion.” I am completely fine with being called anti-abortion. I AM anti-abortion, totally. That is exactly my position.

Missy on June 26, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Liberals make up terms to protect themselves. We do not.

Liberals call it ‘illegal murder’ for a woman to shoot the man/men who seek to rape her; she shouldnt be allowed to have a firearm. They coddle criminals, calling them ‘innocents’ and ‘victims of society’.

Killing the truly innocent harmless, on the other hand, is perfectly okay with them.

Which is more ‘inconvenient’ — the guy who tries raping my wife, or the unintended baby a liberal hates?

And make no mistakes — liberals hate those unintended babies who result from their ‘free love’ thing. If they didn’t, they wouldn’t murder them.

Liam on June 26, 2013 at 4:54 PM

I keep saying it, and the reaction to the VRA ruling yesterday proves it: The Left is stuck in 1965.

The young, fertile twentysomethings of 2013 have always had cheap and freely available birth control. In fact, the awareness of incurable viral STDs has pushed them in their sex lives towards effective barrier methods of birth control. They have also never known unwed mothers to have a particular stigma. They have always been able to see women get through serious pregnancy complications OK.

While it is questionable whether the youth are more religious than their elders, they are far less likely to find abortion as useful as youth in the past did.

Sekhmet on June 26, 2013 at 4:56 PM

I keep saying it, and the reaction to the VRA ruling yesterday proves it: The Left is stuck in 1965.

They’re more stuck in the 1850s when Marx was writing his trash.

Liberals are 19th Century.

Liam on June 26, 2013 at 5:00 PM

and even the White House

Well, didn’t they know about it beforehand? How did all those thousands of protestors know to mob the State house that evening? Of course the DNC or OFA staged it!

PattyJ on June 26, 2013 at 5:07 PM

I think we should call pro choice supporters Extremists. Start now.

Fleuries on June 26, 2013 at 3:49 PM

These are the same people who called OUR soldiers in Vietnam “baby killers”.

Laura in Maryland on June 26, 2013 at 5:37 PM

BTW some pro-choicers think they’re insulting pro-lifers by calling them “anti-abortion.” I am completely fine with being called anti-abortion. I AM anti-abortion, totally. That is exactly my position.

Missy on June 26, 2013 at 4:48 PM

*APPLAUSE*

Laura in Maryland on June 26, 2013 at 5:39 PM

It’s simple. They’re all whores.

dpduq on June 26, 2013 at 6:06 PM

I’m still waiting for a sound explanation for why the federal government should usurp any more power than it already has on this issue.
If the citizens of a state, acting through their lawfully enacted representatives, want abortion to be legal at the 20-week mark (or later), isn’t that their business?
Armin Tamzarian on June 26, 2013 at 3:31 PM

It’s difficult to believe that you would not be aware of the premise that most pro lifers operate. That is the belief that the unborn baby inside the womb is a separate life. Continuing on this premise, it follows that a termination of this unborn baby is in fact murder. It is completely rational even morally required for any civilized society to demand it’s government ban that behavior.

And by the way, Roe vs Wade did violate precisely your complaint in the above.

anuts on June 26, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Continuing on this premise, it follows that a termination of this unborn baby is in fact murder.
anuts on June 26, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Compounded by the fact that I saw just a few days ago that a man who caused the death of pregnant woman and her unborn baby, will be charged with a double murder.

…..but, abortionists aren’t murderers, and the nutz that support this act don’t see it as murder. And, leftists call conservatives……crazy. Unbelievable.

More sad facts. Makes me cry to read this:

A wealth of anatomical, behavioral and physiological evidence shows that the developing human fetus is capable of experiencing tremendous pain by 20 weeks post-fertilization.

Anatomical:

Pain receptors are present throughout the unborn child’s entire body by no later than 16 weeks after fertilization, and nerves link these receptors to the brain’s thalamus and subcortical plate by no later than 20 weeks. For unborn children, says Dr. Paul Ranalli, a neurologist at the University of Toronto, 20 weeks is a “uniquely vulnerable time, since the pain system is fully established, yet the higher level pain-modifying system has barely begun to develop.” As a result, unborn babies at this age probably feel pain more intensely than adults.

Behavioral:

By 8 weeks after fertilization, the unborn child reacts to touch. By 20 weeks post-fertilization, the unborn child reacts to stimuli that would be recognized as painful if applied to an adult human—for example, by recoiling. Surgeons entering the womb to perform corrective procedures on unborn children have seen those babies flinch, jerk and recoil from sharp objects and incisions. In addition, ultrasound technology shows that unborn babies at 20 weeks and earlier react physically to outside stimuli such as sound, light and touch….

More: http://www.doctorsonfetalpain.com/

I hate leftists. I wish they burn and then rot in hell……very, very slowly.

avagreen on June 26, 2013 at 6:20 PM

I’m still waiting for a sound explanation for why the federal government should usurp any more power than it already has on this issue.

If the citizens of a state, acting through their lawfully enacted representatives, want abortion to be legal at the 20-week mark (or later), isn’t that their business?

Armin Tamzarian on June 26, 2013 at 3:31 PM

So “if the citizens of a state,” — like, say, Texas — “acting through their lawfully enacted representatives,” — like, say, the Texas legislature — “want abortion to be” illegal “at the 20-week mark (or later),” — like, say, the law they were just trying to pass — you fully support them.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 26, 2013 at 6:35 PM

NJ warns that this issue could “fracture” Democrats, thanks to support from a perhaps-unexpected demographic.

No, it won’t. Who are they trying to kid?

SagebrushPuppet on June 26, 2013 at 6:40 PM

Armin on an abortion thread? You don’t say./

What a simpleton.

CW on June 26, 2013 at 6:53 PM

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 26, 2013 at 6:35 PM

*crickets*

avagreen on June 26, 2013 at 8:04 PM

their ability to argue that Republicans are extremist on social issues will dissipate.

The fact that the American people want something (or don’t want something) has never really even slowed the ‘rats down. It only makes them become sneakier, until it’s too late anyway.

Squiggy on June 27, 2013 at 6:00 AM

Here’s a cartoon I found:
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/130626wendydavisRGB20130627020103.jpg

avagreen on June 27, 2013 at 12:34 PM