Rubio: This immigration bill does virtually everything anyone’s asked me to do about border security; Update: Backers not sure if bill creates incentive to hire illegals over Americans

posted at 7:21 pm on June 25, 2013 by Allahpundit

He was 95-96 percent happy with the bill before Corker/Hoeven was introduced. Sounds like he’s 100 percent happy now. Every father thinks his child is beautiful, I guess.

Conservatives wanted two things out of this process vis-a-vis enforcement. One: They wanted to know that the border really would be secured this time so that we don’t have to revisit amnesty again in 25 years. Two: They wanted that security to come before any legalization of illegals commenced. We got neither of those things, the latter by Rubio’s own admission and the former by CBO’s. (CBO hasn’t offered an estimate of how much the Corker/Hoeven amendment would reduce illegal immigration, but if the original Gang of Eight bill reduced it by only 25 percent, rest assured that Corker/Hoeven’s not getting us anywhere near 100.) In fact, the Corker/Hoeven amendment that allegedly does everything conservatives could dream of on the border wasn’t even Rubio’s first choice when it came to boosting security. He flirted with backing Cornyn’s amendment, only to walk away when he pals Chuck and Lindsey told him that the hard targets Cornyn demanded were a bit too hard for their liking. That’s when Rubio turned to the weaker Corker/Hoeven — which, as it turned out, gave us everything we could possibly want.

You’re welcome, America:

Republican Senator Marco Rubio, shifting his tone on the U.S. immigration bill he helped to write, said on Tuesday he is now fully satisfied that the measure will do what it takes to secure the southern border with Mexico…

“This amendment basically now puts into place virtually everything people have been asking me to do about immigration enforcement since I began talking about this issue,” Rubio told a convention of the American Society of News Editors. “I think we’ve run out of things we can to do to support – to improve the border.”…

Asked about House Speaker John Boehner’s strategy for handling the immigration issue in that chamber, Rubio said it is up to House lawmakers to determine the course they want to take.

But he added: “I think we have a good piece of legislation they should take a look at. There are a lot of good ideas that they should adopt.”

I’ve got a question. If the bill now covers all the bases on the border, why are Gang of Eight members still considering offering Republican senators legislative bribes and kickbacks to win their votes?

Republican sources are telling National Review Online that Gang of Eight members were less-than-thrilled by the outcome of yesterday’s vote to advance their immigration reform bill, and they are now looking for ways to win — or buy — more GOP votes. The bill is certain to pass, of course, but proponents are hoping for 70 votes, meaning they will need more than the 15 Republicans who voted for cloture on Monday.

Opponents of the bill are concerned that, sometime within the next 24 to 48 hours, the Gang of Eight will come to an agreement with Senate majority leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) to allow votes on a series of amendments that have been handpicked by the Gang, and are designed to placate wavering Republicans and win their votes for the final bill. It will not be an open process, as was originally promised, and could involve more giveaways like the “Casino Cash-out” and the “Crabhusker Kickback” – the functional equivalent of earmarks, which have been banned since 2011. ”It’s another backroom deal,” says one GOP aide. “This is how we do earmarks these days.”

Rob Portman’s amendment would at least strengthen E-Verify, not pay for an extraneous bridge or something in Ohio. Another question: What difference does getting a handful more Republican votes in the Senate make to the House at this point? They got 69 yesterday, which is considerably more than most major legislation ever gets these days. Even with that many in the bank, House aides are telling WaPo flatly that no one cares. “It wouldn’t be something a Republican Senate would bring to the floor,” said one aide. “Why should a Republican House just take it up?” (Tom Cole put it even more succinctly.) Because … it would help Rubio’s chances to be president in 2016?

Update: Utterly devastating.

As the Washington Examiner’s Philip Klein recently reported: “Under Obamacare, businesses with over 50 workers that employ American citizens without offering them qualifying health insurance could be subject to fines of up to $3,000 per worker. But because newly legalized immigrants wouldn’t be eligible for subsidies on the Obamacare exchanges until after they become citizens – at least 13 years under the Senate bill – businesses could avoid such fines by hiring the new immigrants instead.”

On Tuesday afternoon, THE WEEKLY STANDARD asked five different U.S. Senators about this problem. These five senators, all Democrats, voted to cut off debate Monday night on the revised immigration bill, but none of them knew if the bill would create a financial incentive for some employers to hire amnestied immigrants instead of American citizens.

“We’re trying to solve that right now. I don’t know if that’s been solved,” Senator Max Baucus of Montana (chief author of Obamacare) told THE WEEKLY STANDARD.

They voted to end debate on a bill without knowing for sure if it gives employers a huge incentive to hire illegals over Americans? What?


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Sure.

Bmore on June 25, 2013 at 7:23 PM

All of this just makes my skin crawl. Rubio makes my skin crawl.

As for this They voted to end debate on a bill without knowing for sure if it gives employers a huge incentive to hire illegals over Americans? What?

I think that sums up the cluster that is this bill.

gophergirl on June 25, 2013 at 7:24 PM

“Basically” “Virtually”

iwasbornwithit on June 25, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Malhechor mentiroso.

steebo77 on June 25, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Ted Cruz from his Facebook page:

Interacting with Obamacare, the Gang of Eight bill creates an enormous incentive to hire those here illegally by creating a $5,000 statutory penalty for hiring American citizens and legal immigrants.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=390344094411230&set=a.317349068377400.67209.315496455229328&type=1

INC on June 25, 2013 at 7:28 PM

It just gets better every day.

WisCon on June 25, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Newsflash: Traitors lie

faraway on June 25, 2013 at 7:30 PM


PALIN: PRIMARY RUBIO AND AYOTTE? SURE.

In an interview on Gibson Radio today Sarah Palin said Marco Rubio has flipped and flopped on Immigration, and as a result if someone wanted to primary Rubio, fine by her. Same with Kelly Ayotte.

http://radio.foxnews.com/2013/06/25/palin-primary-rubio-and-ayotte-sure/

journeymike on June 25, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Senator Jeff Sessions:

BACKGROUND ON CORKER-HOEVEN SUBSTITUTE AMNESTY-FIRST IMMIGRATION BILL:
· Immediate amnesty before enforcement
· Guts legal requirement for biometric exit-entry system
· Millions of green cards (permanent residency) before enforcement—debunking another false claim from sponsors
· No border surge. Agents aren’t required until 2021. It will never happen
· No fence requirement. DHS retains discretion in the bill that preempts the call for a fence in ten years. Litigation also provides an escape hatch to never build the fence. The fence won’t happen
· Legalization for gang members and convicted criminals
· Amnesty for future visa overstays (in other words, a prospective amnesty for future illegal immigrants)
· Guaranteed welfare access for illegal immigrants
· Undermines interior enforcement, prompting ICE officers to warn: “There is no doubt that, if passed, public safety will be endangered and massive amounts of future illegal immigration—especially visa overstays—is ensured.”
· Expands non-merit chain migration—less than 10 percent of future flow is merit-based
· Doubles the number of guest workers and triples the number of immigrants granted lawful permanent residency—reducing wages for U.S. workers and driving up unemployment

INC on June 25, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Plus the “legalized” could work over 29 hours with no ill effect.

What’s cheaper. 2 citizens working 29 hours. or one “legalized” working 60 hours?

wolly4321 on June 25, 2013 at 7:31 PM

They voted to end debate on a bill without knowing for sure if it gives employers a huge incentive to hire illegals over Americans? What?

“Debate” is not debate. Close doors and smoke-filled rooms are where the debate takes place. The public procedural stuff is just for show, after the outcome has been decided.

That’s why its so embarrassing for a majority leader (or House speaker) to have to pull a bill once the public portion begins. That’s not the outcome that was approved in the voting that took place in the smoke-filled room.

Revenant on June 25, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Hey guys had youi read the bill you masy have grasped that YOUR F***ing REATRDED OGABECARE EXEMPTION is a 3,000 per “newer better American” employee savings there ese….

now multiply that times Dies years and you get 30,000 muy bueno

harlekwin15 on June 25, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Ted Cruz from his Facebook page:

Interacting with Obamacare, the Gang of Eight bill creates an enormous incentive to hire those here illegally by creating a $5,000 statutory penalty for hiring American citizens and legal immigrants.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=390344094411230&set=a.317349068377400.67209.315496455229328&type=1

INC on June 25, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Yes it does. The backers of this immigration bill include all the kings in Silicon Valley.
They want to pay all the brains less and not have to worry about ObamaCare. If you work
in Silicon Valley now – I would say – renounce your American citizenship. Fly down to the border
and sneak back across.

redguy on June 25, 2013 at 7:33 PM

If the United States Senate has our nation’s best and most judicial minds then we’ve got a severe IQ deficit vis a vis “the world”

harlekwin15 on June 25, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Gee, I don’t remeber asking Rubio for INSTANT AMNESTY and OPEN BORDERS. Funny that.

Pork-Chop on June 25, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Screwbio “Bought and Paid For” courtesy of the Bush Crime Family.

Jayrae on June 25, 2013 at 7:35 PM

PALIN: PRIMARY RUBIO AND AYOTTE? SURE.

In an interview on Gibson Radio today Sarah Palin said Marco Rubio has flipped and flopped on Immigration, and as a result if someone wanted to primary Rubio, fine by her. Same with Kelly Ayotte.

http://radio.foxnews.com/2013/06/25/palin-primary-rubio-and-ayotte-sure/

journeymike on June 25, 2013 at 7:31 PM

All the wankers voting yes need to be Primaried. Alan West for Rubio’s spot.

redguy on June 25, 2013 at 7:35 PM

No one approaches the level of contempt I have for Obama, but Rubio is coming damn close.

DRayRaven on June 25, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Yes it does. The backers of this immigration bill include all the kings in Silicon Valley.
They want to pay all the brains less and not have to worry about ObamaCare. If you work
in Silicon Valley now – I would say – renounce your American citizenship. Fly down to the border
and sneak back across.

redguy on June 25, 2013 at 7:33 PM

It’s hardly a joke…

the courts already wrist slap them…cops ignore them running stop signs…

you get to get paid under over or above the table..

you can claim and I have seen it on forms 16 little amigos and amigas back home and get the EITC and CTC pay day for them….

It’s not a bad deal…especially if you’re a working class American stifled by minimum wage and Ogabecare

harlekwin15 on June 25, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Bring it on, pass the effin thing a so we can get with the march towards Utopia.

I’m going to laugh so hard at all the sensitive lefties as they shuffle out of their employer’s buildings for the last time, their border-jumping replacements passing them in the foyer.

Bishop on June 25, 2013 at 7:36 PM

It’s not about border security, it’s about not giving amnesty. Rubio’s bill is an amnesty bill.

Border security BEFORE amnesty.

anotherJoe on June 25, 2013 at 7:36 PM

PALIN: PRIMARY RUBIO AND AYOTTE? SURE.

journeymike on June 25, 2013 at 7:31 PM

She’s loaded for bear.

faraway on June 25, 2013 at 7:38 PM

Rubio is an idiot.

ctmom on June 25, 2013 at 7:39 PM

She’s loaded for bear.

faraway on June 25, 2013 at 7:38 PM

For sure. Check out her latest tweet:

http://twitchy.com/2013/06/25/is-this-all-a-game-to-you-sarah-palin-slams-david-plouffe-and-his-messiah-obama/

theotherone on June 25, 2013 at 7:39 PM

These five senators, all Democrats, voted to cut off debate Monday night on the revised immigration bill, but none of them knew if the bill would create a financial incentive for some employers to hire amnestied immigrants instead of American citizens.

This is my shocked face O_O

LtBarnwell02 on June 25, 2013 at 7:41 PM

They targeted our best choice for 2016 and he fell for it. Schumer and Reid are laughing all the way to the bank.

ctmom on June 25, 2013 at 7:42 PM

This is my shocked face O_O

LtBarnwell02 on June 25, 2013 at 7:41 PM

It’d be “horrible” if the GOP went to the working poor and explained what was going on…

“horrible”

harlekwin15 on June 25, 2013 at 7:42 PM

i used to like rubio a lot. he had conservative values, and he had a great skill in speaking. he was so good at explaining things and making speeches. so, he could communicate the conservative cause effectively.

but now that his true colors have been shown, i can see he’s one of those smooth talkers (like obama). he uses his charm and speaking skills to fool people into liking him, then stabs them in the back. it’s so disturbing how slick and slimy he is. he’ll say anything and charm anyone, and he’s good at it, too. scary.

but have fun running for president, rubio. you think we’ll forget this whole thing ever happened? that’s funny… keep thinking that.

PALIN: PRIMARY RUBIO AND AYOTTE? SURE.

In an interview on Gibson Radio today Sarah Palin said Marco Rubio has flipped and flopped on Immigration, and as a result if someone wanted to primary Rubio, fine by her. Same with Kelly Ayotte.

http://radio.foxnews.com/2013/06/25/palin-primary-rubio-and-ayotte-sure/

journeymike on June 25, 2013 at 7:31 PM

agree. i’m glad she doesn’t still support them. she was fooled too. but so was i, so i can’t blame her…

Sachiko on June 25, 2013 at 7:46 PM

They voted to end debate on a bill without knowing for sure if it gives employers a huge incentive to hire illegals over Americans? What?

Of course they knew. They’re lying. I know that’s a shock to some people.

It’s a bill to gain the favor of Hispanics, no? You know I’m right.

Curtiss on June 25, 2013 at 7:46 PM

It is too short so they will have to add more pages and give more money to democrats then they can pelosi us again!

tim c on June 25, 2013 at 7:46 PM

No one approaches the level of contempt I have for Obama, but Rubio is coming damn close.

DRayRaven on June 25, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Yup. Rubio is closing in on Grayscum and Debbie blabbermouth-Shultz…

ladyingray on June 25, 2013 at 7:48 PM

Update: Utterly devastating.

Exactly.

BTW, Marco, when your chauffeured-driven towncar next passes an African-American man or woman standing in the rain at a bus stop in business attire, just remember that you and the rest of your despicable friends voted for legislation that would provide ObamaCars to legalised criminaliens between the ages of 18 and 24 so that they could have transportation to and from work.

Just pray that looks will never be able to kill because some serious daggers are going to be coming your way, luv.

Resist We Much on June 25, 2013 at 7:48 PM

This is a feature of the bill not a flaw.

It is all by design.

TheAdmiral on June 25, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Allah, you and Weekly Standard are looking at the Obamacare incentive as if it were a bug. At this point, I’m inclined to believe the Gang intended to include it as a “feature.”

Gator Country on June 25, 2013 at 7:50 PM

There are only now three choices:

1) He really is this stupid.

2) He really is this naive.

3) He really is a liar.

Jeff Sessions, on Hannity’s radio show earlier, seemed to indicate (without laying out the choices starkly) that it’s (2) — Rubio hasn’t been around long enough in Washington to see the way things work. I think Rush hopes for this.

I’ve listened to Rubio many times; it’s hard for me to believe that (1) is right. How many serious people have pointed out the flaws in the original and the C-H amendment? How often does he have to hear “double sided fence, no if ands or buts”?

That leaves only (3); he’s a liar. It’s not ideology. For someone like Pelosi or that fool, maybe (I doubt it, but maybe.)

He’s lying about what’s in the bill, about what it does and doesn’t do, about what people have told him. If it does everything he’s been asked to do, then why did Sessions say that today he talked to Rubio about what needs to be done, including the lack of border security? So, this newest one is just a bald-faced lie.

So now he’s either forced to lie or admit that of all things he said he was going to do, he hasn’t done any of them.

Paul Ryan would seem to be intent on following in Rubio’s footsteps…I am sorry to say.

(Maybe they’re willing to lie because they want to be adored or praised or invited on Good Morning America or feel like they are the one that helps alter history….whatever the reason…it’s a lie. An obviously stupid lie.)

EastofEden on June 25, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Everybody better learn spanish.

portlandon on June 25, 2013 at 7:50 PM

This amnesty thing is looking more and more like a recreation of Affirmative Action, but with a new chosen group.

Liam on June 25, 2013 at 7:51 PM

If you tell the truth from the beginning, you don’t have to keep lying.

davidk on June 25, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Q.How do you know if Marco Rubio is lying?
A.Just watch his lips.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 25, 2013 at 7:52 PM

If the United States Senate has our nation’s best and most judicial minds then we’ve got a severe IQ deficit vis a vis “the world”

harlekwin15 on June 25, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Well, if it makes you feel any better, when I think about the legislatures of other countries I have read about, they seem to have large numbers of dimwits, too.

J.S.K. on June 25, 2013 at 7:53 PM

They voted to end debate on a bill without knowing for sure if it gives employers a huge incentive to hire illegals over Americans? What?

We’ve apparently gone from, “We have to pass it to know what’s in it,” to, “Who cares what’s in it?”

Liam on June 25, 2013 at 7:54 PM

American citizens become second rate to the incoming “immigrants”.

“Whites Need Not apply”

It’s Affirmative Action of Citizenship.

Our birthright has been revoked.

portlandon on June 25, 2013 at 7:54 PM

This should make major urban centers exciting places to live and work. I’m talking Kabul exciting, Baghdad exciting, Chicago exciting.

Bishop on June 25, 2013 at 7:54 PM

She’s loaded for bear.

faraway on June 25, 2013 at 7:38 PM

oh gawd, I keep hearing that but if palin had any real juice Rubio, ayotte, hatch, flake, McCain would’ve never supported this crap sandwich. (all of the above had palin’s endorsement or she campaigned for them in their most recent election)

chasdal on June 25, 2013 at 7:55 PM

This bill is about one thing and one thing only: A blue Texas.

When that happens, it’s all over.

Curtiss on June 25, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Jeff Sessions, on Hannity’s radio show earlier, seemed to indicate (without laying out the choices starkly) that it’s (2) — Rubio hasn’t been around long enough in Washington to see the way things work. I think Rush hopes for this.

EastofEden on June 25, 2013 at 7:50 PM

I quit Hannity a month ago, and Rush & Gallagher last week due to their Rubio-love.

I bought Netflix instead. I’d rather listen to old episodes of Magnum PI than listen to them twist into pretzels their intellectual honesty.

ladyingray on June 25, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Go away, Rubio. You’re finished. You despicable Washington Insider! Go kiss Bill Nelson’s ass… I hear it’s available to you now. The Tea Party is not.

Key West Reader on June 25, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Insane. These guys should be deported for taking our jobs, but instead the illegals (oops, undocumented… oops, preferred citizens) are going to be given special treatment. Special incentives to hire them despite unemployment being close to 8% and rising.
In the future there’s probably going to be affirmative action for the (previous) illegals. Given preference in jobs, education, whatelsenot.

anotherJoe on June 25, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Buh Bye.

2Tru2Tru on June 25, 2013 at 7:57 PM

There are only now three choices:

1) He really is this stupid.

2) He really is this naive.

3) He really is a liar.

I am of the mind that both the Rube is #3, but I could be convinced of #1. Rube is a career politician, I’m sorry but he knows the game and he also knows who he could get advice from if he really is naive. The guy is turning out to be as bad of a panderer as Crist, and now that he’s under McCain’s wing I expect him to pivot/evolve/whatever on other red line issues for conservatives.

I would say Paul Ryan is #2 and also that he is not as conservative as he let himself be portrayed.

LtBarnwell02 on June 25, 2013 at 7:57 PM

This should make major urban centers exciting places to live and work. I’m talking Kabul exciting, Baghdad exciting, Chicago exciting.

Bishop on June 25, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Cuidad Detroit.

Curtiss on June 25, 2013 at 7:58 PM

It’d be “horrible” if the GOP went to the working poor and explained what was going on…

“horrible”

harlekwin15 on June 25, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Obama made the middle class the working poor. Rubio will now make us extinct.

Key West Reader on June 25, 2013 at 7:59 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on June 25, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Nice to see you!

KCB on June 25, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Many thanks owed to Clint Eastwood for booting Rubio out of prime time during the convention.

Valiant on June 25, 2013 at 8:00 PM

KCB on June 25, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Howdy!
*This…is…on…time…delay.*

annoyinglittletwerp on June 25, 2013 at 8:01 PM

EastofEden on June 25, 2013 at 7:50 PM

He’s a liar.

He was Speaker of the House in the Florida legislature so he is no neophyte to politics.

When running for the U.S. Senate he clearly declared on multiple occasions that he was against everything this bill does.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/04/did-marco-rubio-break-his-promises-to-florida-voters.php

INC on June 25, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Illegal aliens are exempt from Obama Care… The rest of us get to take it right up the arse. And we’re supposed to take it .. and like it.. Exceptions to the Rule of ObamaLaw

Eff you, Marco Rube io.

Key West Reader on June 25, 2013 at 8:02 PM

ladyingray on June 25, 2013 at 7:55 PM

I’ve long thought Hannity (and Ingram too) were just republican hacks/mouthpieces and quit listening to them both during the 2008 primaries.

I’m not able to listen to Rush typically, but after this deal with Rube-io and not calling him out more pointedly I won’t be making an effort to listen either. I’m almost to that point with Mark Levin too. What I can’t figure out is why they can unload on McCain or Graham but won’t do the same with Rube-io.

LtBarnwell02 on June 25, 2013 at 8:02 PM

oh gawd, I keep hearing that but if palin had any real juice Rubio, ayotte, hatch, flake, McCain would’ve never supported this crap sandwich. (all of the above had palin’s endorsement or she campaigned for them in their most recent election)

chasdal on June 25, 2013 at 7:55 PM

How’s that Romney thing working out for ya?

idesign on June 25, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Mr Rubio – Remember the last campaign? When you sent those one dollar bills over in mail? Yeah…. I got deceived. Next time no biscuit for you. You are a liar of the highest order. You have betrayed your supporters. At least with Crist we knew what we were getting. Now we know better.

Again – No biscuit for you.

antisocial on June 25, 2013 at 8:05 PM

************************** NUTS ******************************

canopfor on June 25, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Rubio is being demolished on his Facebook page. Which leads me to believe he is ignoring it like he is Twitter.

ctmom on June 25, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Update: Backers not sure if bill creates incentive to hire illegals over Americans

How about actually READINGthe effin’ thing.

katy the mean old lady on June 25, 2013 at 8:06 PM

oh gawd, I keep hearing that but if palin had any real juice Rubio, ayotte, hatch, flake, McCain would’ve never supported this crap sandwich. (all of the above had palin’s endorsement or she campaigned for them in their most recent election)

chasdal on June 25, 2013 at 7:55 PM

What’s she going to do? They don’t even listen to their constituents who’ve made it pretty clear where they stood on the issue. Unless Sarah was going to pay them mega $$$ then there’s no way any of them were going to listen to her. And I guess they won’t listen to us ever again unless we primary Graham in 2014.

LtBarnwell02 on June 25, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Rubio and the rest of the RINOS supporting this have given 0bama everything he wanted. It is just a matter of time now until the complete demise of America!

canesfan on June 25, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Just read the quotes from the Dem senators in the Weekly Standard piece. All they do is stammer and splutter and “promise” to “look into it.”

They know it’s in there, and they know they just got caught. And they don’t care.

Gator Country on June 25, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Sr. Rubio, realmente eres un pedazo de algo despreciable basura.
Que crees que este proyecto de ley es el principio y el fin para los ilegales es simplemente una mierda de hadas aireado!

Has matado a casi los EE.UU. y la clase media.

Muchas gracias … / sarcasmo

Mr Rubio, you really are a dispicable piece of garbage.
That you think this bill is the be all and end all for illegals is simply airy fairy bullcrap!

You have just about killed the USA and the middle class.

Thank you so much… /sarc

Scrumpy on June 25, 2013 at 8:08 PM

If this passes, Rubio WILL be recalled. Mark my words. He will be recalled.

Key West Reader on June 25, 2013 at 8:09 PM

canopfor on June 25, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Hiya!! How goes it? Things fixed your end? Missed you on QOTD!!

Scrumpy on June 25, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Rubio is being demolished on his Facebook page. Which leads me to believe he is ignoring it like he is Twitter.

ctmom on June 25, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Except for a two-week old mention of an English language amendment, he hasn’t mentioned this bill on his facebook page. His most recent posting was last week on the MA special election. This hasn’t stopped people from posting negative comments on many old posts.

His staff still knows what’s going on although they’re probably cocky and conceited in their reactions. Reality will eventually hit.

INC on June 25, 2013 at 8:10 PM

If that update doesn’t stop Boehner and his Boys from stopping this, nothing will.

SouthernGent on June 25, 2013 at 8:12 PM

I don’t think a US senator can be recalled. But he can surely not be re-elected.

I voted for Bill Clinton in 1992, when I was a lot younger and dumber than I am today. That was always the one vote I wished more than any other that I could take back. Until now.

Thanks a lot, Marco.

Gator Country on June 25, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Question for the Rube IO.

How bout all them Talibani’s that have been crossing the Mexican border? You gonna make them legal now? Like, they can get yobs in the Oministration like you?

Key West Reader on June 25, 2013 at 8:12 PM

If this passes, Rubio WILL be recalled. Mark my words. He will be recalled.

Key West Reader on June 25, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Why wait? For the benefit of the rest of us – start now.

LtBarnwell02 on June 25, 2013 at 8:12 PM

What’s she going to do? They don’t even listen to their constituents who’ve made it pretty clear where they stood on the issue. Unless Sarah was going to pay them mega $$$ then there’s no way any of them were going to listen to her. And I guess they won’t listen to us ever again unless we primary Graham in 2014.

LtBarnwell02 on June 25, 2013 at 8:07 PM

You’re right. They know their constituents hate this. Otherwise they wouldn’t lie when running for office. One reason Rubio beat Crist was his then-conservative stance on illegal aliens and amnesty. Crist was talking the way Rubio does today.

INC on June 25, 2013 at 8:13 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on June 25, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Took me a second. I was wondering how you did that. OH well, at least you are back. HA, Thanks for giving us our Twerp back!

KCB on June 25, 2013 at 8:13 PM

I don’t think a US senator can be recalled. But he can surely not be re-elected.

I voted for Bill Clinton in 1992, when I was a lot younger and dumber than I am today. That was always the one vote I wished more than any other that I could take back. Until now.

Thanks a lot, Marco.

Gator Country on June 25, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Rubio will face a recall. Bet on it. You’ll win. He will be recalled and replaced with a Democrat. That is what we here in floriduh deserve for electing this POS in the first place. If it is one thing the Tea Party has going for it, is Honor. Rubio can challenge the recall by running as the Dem that he is.

Key West Reader on June 25, 2013 at 8:14 PM

If this passes, Rubio WILL be recalled. Mark my words. He will be recalled.

Key West Reader on June 25, 2013 at 8:09 PM
Why wait? For the benefit of the rest of us – start now.

LtBarnwell02 on June 25, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Its that pesky IRS thing that has us spooked.

/Racist

Key West Reader on June 25, 2013 at 8:16 PM

· The 18 states allowing for recall are as follows: Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, New Jersey, North Dakota, Oregon, Rhode Island, Washington and Wisconsin. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×2201861

:(

CoffeeLover on June 25, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Q.How do you know if Marco Rubio is lying?
A.Just watch his lips.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 25, 2013 at 7:52 PM

annoyinglittletwerp: Welcome back,and

to the Exclusive Club of Moderation Purgatory
Cove,on/from Ban-Hammer Island!

(snark on the Exclusive Club thingy):)

canopfor on June 25, 2013 at 8:17 PM

The Senate amnesty bill emasculates interior enforcement so if you combine 10% of the border crossers who make it through plus all the visa overstays you will have as many illegal aliens as we had before because they will never get deported.

Wigglesworth on June 25, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Conservatives wanted two things out of this process vis-a-vis enforcement. One: They wanted to know that the border really would be secured this time so that we don’t have to revisit amnesty again in 25 years. Two: They wanted that security to come before any legalization of illegals commenced.

Wrong and wrong. Where the heck did you get the idea that any conservative is for any sort of treasonous legalization of illegals, at all? Anyone who is party to this treason of granting illegals that which they looked to steal (and far more) is not a conservative in any way.

All this cr@p about people wanting X first, before allowing treason and the erasure of our borders is rank idiocy. Treason is treason. Period. Borders are absolutely meaningless without interior enforcement, and stopping any and all interior enforcement is what this treason POS bill is all about.

No actual conservative can support any sort of treasonous legalization of illegals who are already citizens elsewhere – where they belong. This BS about border security, as if that would be a fair trade for the sovereignty of this nation, is really getting to be too much. Get a friggin clue.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 25, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Liar!

ultracon on June 25, 2013 at 8:21 PM

canopfor on June 25, 2013 at 8:17 PM

It sure the Hades ain’t Club Med.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 25, 2013 at 8:22 PM

We’re trying to recall Flake too, but I doubt it goes anywhere. Even with his sons crap that nobody knows about because the media runs cover for him.

*time delay*

wolly4321 on June 25, 2013 at 8:23 PM

“I think we’ve run out of things we can to do to support – to improve the border.”…

“Have you tried actually enforcing the law?”
“Ummmmmm……No.”
“Well, there’s your problem!”

squint on June 25, 2013 at 8:28 PM

I guess Rubio was a crook after all…thankfully a dumb one.

It is better we find out early before he runs for president.

So this is a good thing in one way.

William Eaton on June 25, 2013 at 8:30 PM

I STILL want to know if the new amnestied citizens will have to be paid minimum wage. One of the reasons to hire them now is to do it “off the books” and not pay minimum wage. If you then have to pay them minimum when they are amnestied…? Then what?

UnderstandingisPower on June 25, 2013 at 8:31 PM

One: They wanted to know that the border really would be secured this time so that we don’t have to revisit amnesty again in 25 years.

This is the problem right there. There is no such thing as a secure border. Is there any country in the world that doesnt know the problem of illegal immigration, third world hell holes aside? Yes we have this problem on a ridiculously massive scale and we can do a lot to normalize the situation. But if we succeed, we will still have to deal with illegal immigration on a normal scwale and yes we will hear talk about amnesty again.

>Dont kid yourself: securing the border isnt a substitute for resisting amnesty.

Valkyriepundit on June 25, 2013 at 8:34 PM

I guess McCain and Rubio can have all those warning signs right down the road from me taken down. The ones facing north, not south. Warning me it’s dangerous and I’m on my own. Not much Berlin wall going on in the Tucson Sector. Most of said signs are riddled with bullet holes.

wolly4321 on June 25, 2013 at 8:35 PM

I STILL want to know if the new amnestied citizens will have to be paid minimum wage. One of the reasons to hire them now is to do it “off the books” and not pay minimum wage. If you then have to pay them minimum when they are amnestied…? Then what?

UnderstandingisPower on June 25, 2013 at 8:31 PM

You fire your on the books employees as needed…

1) the “newer better Amewricans” are exempt form SCOAMF care so that is 3,000 bucks saved per

and

2) the “newer better Americans” do not count towards the 50 employee threshhold…

so the bad news is “older less good Americans” just got hosed….the only good maybe to come out of that is both black and white are now finally second(and in the case of GOP more likely 3d) class citizens

harlekwin15 on June 25, 2013 at 8:36 PM

canopfor on June 25, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Hiya!! How goes it? Things fixed your end? Missed you on QOTD!!

Scrumpy on June 25, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Scrumpy:

Everything is great,except my POS Computer is still
Bionked Up.Had to re-booty twice—-:)

canopfor on June 25, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Nobody has ever actually quantified the problem we have.

How many illegals are here? No one knows; estimates are 8 to 25 million.

What are the repercussions, for us, of actually making the U.S. inhospitable to illegals, i.e. no drivers’ licenses, no aid, no healthcare, widespread siezure of employer assets, no anchor babies? Do we really not have produce on our tables and no patio out back? No one knows, it’s never been tried.

Does anyone really believe that these amnesty-blessed aliens are really going to be denied Obamacare? Listen closely if you do, dunce, listen. That’s the sound of the ACLU sharpening its’ knives.

Does anyone really believe that millions upon millions of these “more fertile” low-skilled, uneducated immigrants are going be paying the kind of taxes that are going to save our Social Security system? Or do you think they’re going to be a draw on the SSDI?

Or maybe the new talk of raising the minimmu wage is the answer. Do you believe that? Or do you believe we’re about to create millions of new welfare recipients? Hey if it’s a living wage, or we’re all eligible for food stamps, why, how much would the employer have to pay us? And he could just negotiate his tax rate with the government … if he is an elite … in favor with the government.

And we’ll all have single payer healthcare from the government soon.

You know, if I sat on the board of a multi-national with multiple holdings in manufacturing or other production, I would love to see the U.S. move toward global wage parity. Don’t you think it would slash shipping costs, energy costs, taxes and tariffs?

M240H on June 25, 2013 at 8:38 PM

UisP,, there’s more than one minimum wage. There’s an agricultural minimum wage. Much lower.

wolly4321 on June 25, 2013 at 8:41 PM

canopfor on June 25, 2013 at 8:17 PM

It sure the Hades ain’t Club Med.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 25, 2013 at 8:22 PM

annoyinglittletwerp: Tru Dat:)

canopfor on June 25, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Marco Rubio, aka Malarkey Wormio, you are a serial and compulsive liar and no one with a brain and a clue belies anything that comes out of your filthy mendacious mouth anymore.

VorDaj on June 25, 2013 at 8:43 PM

LtBarnwell02 on June 25, 2013 at 8:02 PM

Yep. That’s why I quit them all.

ladyingray on June 25, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Wait,, they don’t count towards the 50 threshold either??

wolly4321 on June 25, 2013 at 8:45 PM

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