Oh, good: Obama’s “new” energy plan expected to raise electricity costs

posted at 1:21 pm on June 25, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

The War on Coal, et al. is back with a vengeance — and get ready to pay for the hefty pricetag, America. This afternoon, President Obama will be announcing his munificent intentions to combat climate change by using his august executive authority to — among other things — limit greenhouse gas emissions from existing power plants, increase appliance efficiency standards, and further “invest” in renewable energy development. Get excited:

In a speech at Georgetown University, the president will lay out what the administration is billing as a comprehensive plan built on three pillars: cutting the nation’s carbon pollution, leading global efforts to reduce carbon emissions and preparing the United States for the impacts of climate change. As part of that effort, Mr. Obama on Tuesday will sign a presidential memorandum directing the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to start engaging with states, the private sector and other stakeholders to set carbon pollution standards for both new and existing carbon power plants.

The president, a senior administration official said, has “made it very clear his preference would be for Congress to act.” At this point, however, he is ready to rely on the existing authorities in the executive branch. …

Gee — lucky us. Obama’s EPA has already introduced several other ‘clean-air’ rules that have put some strict limits  on the coal industry, but federal regulations directly concerning carbon emissions are the holy grail for which many environmentalist groups have been waiting — and a very costly one at that.

But the move to impose greenhouse gas limits on existing plants — which account for a third of the nation’s greenhouse gas emissions and 40 percent of its carbon emissions — will raise consumers’ electricity prices in the short term as utilities are forced to shutter aging coal plants to comply with stricter pollution limits.

According to the Edison Electric Institute, a utility trade group, there are 1,142 coal-fired utilities in the United States and 3,967 natural-gas-fired plants, all of which would face new carbon limits under Obama’s proposal. Last year they accounted for nearly 68 percent of all electricity production, according to EEI, compared with nuclear and hydropower utilities, which made up 19 percent and 6.7 percent, respectively. All renewables combined amounted to 5.4percent of electricity generation in 2012.

Hmm. “In the short term” may have some degree of truth to it, given that natural gas is already providing a competitive substitute and its free-market development is going strong, but in the meantime, the premature and forcible redirection of our energy sector is going to cause real cost-of-living increases that are going to accomplish little-to-nothing to help us grow our struggling economy. This is just more of the same type of holier-than-thou, government-knows-best, top-down regulatory fiat that we’ve seen pushing electricity prices precipitously upwards in Europe over the past few years, to the detriment of their collective economy.

Anyhow, I doubt he’ll be mentioning this in his speech:

Environmentalists are concerned that the climate change strategy will just be a ploy to appease them in the face of plans to green light TransCanada Corp’s Keystone XL pipeline that will transport heavy crude (dirty oil sands) from Canada to US Gulf Coast refineries. Opponents of Keystone XL say this will override anything Obama has in store by way of reducing greenhouse gas emissions and controlling carbon dioxide.

It is less likely (though not impossible) that Obama will talk about Keystone tomorrow, but opponents think the climate change plan he unveils will be designed to wow and thus lay the stage for less opposition to Keystone when it is approved. We don’t expect a decision on Keystone XL until the end of this year, or perhaps even early next year.

It is truly amazing that an otherwise unremarkable pipeline, of which the United States is going to need many more in coming years to effectively cope with the oil-and-gas boom, could be even remotely considered a “tradeoff” for major regulations with a massive impact spanning multiple industries and all American energy consumers. Ridiculous.

Update: Oh, my:

President Barack Obama will ask the State Department not to approve the construction of the controversial Keystone XL pipeline unless it can first determine that it will not lead to a net increase in greenhouse gas emissions, a senior administration official told The Huffington Post. …

The new Obama policy somewhat splits the difference — not killing the project outright, but ensuring that it meets a basic environmental standard. …

“As the executive order on Keystone contemplates, the environmental impacts will be important criteria used in the determination of whether the Keystone pipeline application will ultimately be approved at the completion of the State Department decision process,” said the senior administration official. “In today’s speech, the president will make clear that the State Department should approve the pipeline only if it will not lead to a net increase in overall greenhouse gas emissions.”


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CNN says that “most” Americans are not that concerned about climate change. But enough are still concerned enough that Obama can get away with what he’s doing today.
From the headlines thread: We need to change public opinion, with a (massive) paid advertising campaign. It would work because the arguments are on are side.** A campaign against the climate zealots has the potential to impact all U.S. elections (favoring Republicans), congressional and presidential. So it would be money well spent.
But any ad campaign that is seen as effective would be self-supporting, as conservatives would give $ en masse. All the self-motivated person would need to start the campaign is a little seed money and a good foundation in creative.

anotherJoe on June 25, 2013 at 2:47 PM

**For any ad campaign on global warming climate change the arguments are on our side:
First, the widely reported 17 year stall in temperature is plainly inconsistent with the sharply rising CO2 levels during this period.
A main point is that the hockey stick has been debunked, proven to be a fabrication by the leftist activist Michael Mann, which means that there’s nothing unusual about current temperatures, which means frankly that there is nothing wrong with the climate.
Further, in actual fact there is no actual evidence that CO2 causes temperature change: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK_WyvfcJyg&info=GGWarmingSwindle_CO2Lag
All the fear mongers have is a theoretical model to back their position on the greenhouse effect, yet other competing theoretical models are plausible. And one thing that shows no effect of CO2 is the near identical rates of temperature change seen over ~ two centuries. Simply put, in recent times, with much higher CO2, the rate of temperature change is the same as before. CO2 appears to be doing zero, nil. C3 covers this hear: http://www.c3headlines.com/2013/06/ipccs-gold-standard-hadcrut-confirms-co2s-impact-on-global-temps-statistically-immaterial-insignific.html

Any ad campaign would have as subsidiary ads pieces devoted to the dishonesty of the zealots. This is highlighted over and over again in Climategate emails, and this fun video (musical) video makes light of the “Hide the Decline” quote of Michael Mann: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMqc7PCJ-nc&info=HideTheDecline
But, more than the emails, we have their own words explicitly and openly calling for outright deception of the public:
“It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.” -Paul Watson, Co-Founder of Greenpeace
“We have to offer up scary scenarios… each of us has to decide the right balance between being effective [dishonest] and being honest [ineffective].” -Stephen Schneider, lead ipcc author, 1989
“I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of .. how dangerous it is.” -Al Gore
“Only sensational exaggeration makes the kind of story that will get politicians’ — and readers’ — attention.” -Monika Kopacz, Atmospheric Scientist
“The only way to get our society to truly change is to frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe.” -Daniel Botkin, ex Chair of Environmental Studies, UCSB
“Unless we announce disasters no one will listen.” -Sir John Houghton, first chairman of IPCC
Hence, the fear mongering Chicken Littles, the never ending prognostications of doom that are starting to sound a lot like constant crying wolf.

anotherJoe on June 25, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Because the man is a clueless bugwit. After listening to bits of Bark’s latest Berlin speech I’m convinced more than ever that the man’s synapses are not firing correctly, and I mean that sincerely. There’s something not working right inside his head.

Bishop on June 25, 2013 at 1:59 PM

He is a lot of things, but clueless isn’t one of them. It’s easy to excuse his behavior as inexperience, ineptitude, or stupidity but it isn’t.

It’s all orchestrated and all intentional.

The goal is to collapse us — specifically the middle class — to make up for the supposed grievances Obama thinks we must repent for and to create a class of political elite who have the money and power and the rest of us who have to rely on government for the most basic necessity.

There is a reason why his speech in Ireland about Catholic schools causing division ties in perfectly with his insistence he’s a protector of the “freedom of worship” — it’s all part of his progressive utopia vision.

englishqueen01 on June 25, 2013 at 2:50 PM

I haven’t read all the comments yet but wanted to get this down – Obama said in this speech that the water level in New York City is a foot higher than 10 years ago.

This sounds like flat out fantasyland to me but can someone with more scientific intelligence than I possess give me the over/under on the possibility/probability of that being true??

Thanks!

Greyledge Gal on June 25, 2013 at 2:53 PM

And just so we’re clear-

those of us that pay taxes, in the net sum, will be subsidizing the higher utility costs for the disadvantaged. ‘Cuz AC be a human right.

M240H on June 25, 2013 at 2:42 PM

News to me. I grew up in a house without it, and when I moved and bought my new digs, I got a nice break on the price because it doesn’t have AC either. Saves me money on electricity in the summer, too.

Old house built around 1900, so it was designed for heating and cooling “the old-fashioned way”. Three fans move air through it so that hot air goes out through a second-floor window. You can feel the air current going up the stairway, acting as a natural conduit. Our forebears knew how to do things right.

Of course, I paid for it out of my own pocket, mostly from the sale of the old place. OK, I do have a really small mortgage. (People pay more for used compact cars today, frankly.)

So I guess I’m a “class enemy”, by modern standards. Or maybe suffering from “displaced class consciousness”.

Then again, my mortgage came from the bank my family and I have dealt with for over seventy years, not FM-Squared. So there’s that, too.

cheers

eon

eon on June 25, 2013 at 2:54 PM

President Barack Obama will ask the State Department not to approve the construction of the controversial Keystone XL pipeline unless it can first determine that it will not lead to a net increase in greenhouse gas emissions, a senior administration official told The Huffington Post. …

If the Keystone XL pipeline is not built, Canada will pipe the oil over the Rockies to Vancouver, then ship it by tanker to China, where it will produce the same amount of greenhouse gases as if it was burned in the United States. What about the greenhouse gases emitted by the tanker, which would not be needed if the oil went through the pipeline to US refineries?

Of course, the Obama Administration will pull the same old sleight of hand that greenhouse gases emitted in China or over the Pacific don’t count, since the EPA can’t measure them.

Q: What’s the difference between a CO2 molecule emitted in China and a CO2 molecule emitted in the United States?

A: Nothing, except the U.S. can’t tax the former. Ask Hillary Clinton.

Steve Z on June 25, 2013 at 2:56 PM

I just wish they’d go on the record with their predictions if the policy measures are implemented.

I’d like to ask O directly:

Mr. President, will you please lay out for us exactly what Americans are being asked to shoulder in the form of additional utility costs, as well as any additional costs from the purchase of products that in any way rely on US energy to produce, transport, store, or sell, and what we’ll see in exchange for these sacrifices in the way of mean global temperatures, sea levels, frequency and veracity of hurricanes, tornadoes, droughts, and other freak weather events? And will you stake your legacy on these predictions?

And a follow up: Since you told us that Stimulus spending would reduce unemployment to roughly 6% by this point, and that healthcare costs would be reduced by an average of $2500 per family annually, and that deposing Hosni Mubarack and Muammar al-Gaddfi would lead to a more stable and US-friendly North Africa, and that you would close GITMO and the war against terror was effectively over, why should we trust in your predictions?

Are these unreasonable questions?

BKeyser on June 25, 2013 at 2:57 PM

We have to stop the Keystone pipeline and shut down coal plants and make everybody’s electric bills “necessarily skyrocket” because that’s the only way we can reduce all those greenhouse emissions that are causing all the global warming . . . that isn’t actually happening.

Why can’t you bitter clingers just get with the program?

AZCoyote on June 25, 2013 at 3:02 PM

I haven’t read all the comments yet but wanted to get this down – Obama said in this speech that the water level in New York City is a foot higher than 10 years ago.

This sounds like flat out fantasyland to me but can someone with more scientific intelligence than I possess give me the over/under on the possibility/probability of that being true??

Thanks!

Greyledge Gal on June 25, 2013 at 2:53 PM

The probability of the water in NYC being a foot higher than 10 years ago is ZERO. Satellite measurements of sea levels have shown a rise rate of less than 2 millimeters per year, which would amount to 20 mm or about 0.79 INCH in 10 years.

But don’t say that to the Obamessiah. He’ll claim credit for having stopped the seas from rising, as he promised in 2008!!!

Let him believe the water is a foot higher in NYC, and then let’s ask him publicly why he DIDN’T stop the seas from rising!

Steve Z on June 25, 2013 at 3:04 PM

Because the man is a clueless bugwit. After listening to bits of Bark’s latest Berlin speech I’m convinced more than ever that the man’s synapses are not firing correctly, and I mean that sincerely. There’s something not working right inside his head.

Bishop on June 25, 2013 at 1:59 PM

He, or one of his puppetmasters like Soros, is the anti-christ.

acyl72 on June 25, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Old house built around 1900, so it was designed for heating and cooling “the old-fashioned way”. Three fans move air through it so that hot air goes out through a second-floor window. You can feel the air current going up the stairway, acting as a natural conduit. Our forebears knew how to do things right.

eon on June 25, 2013 at 2:54 PM

That’s the way things worked then; and it worked well. When my family moved from Mississippi to Michigan, we carried that same cooling knowledge (it can get really hot in MI) and my pops installed a huge attic fan in our new home rather than AC… pumped all the stagnant hot air right up & out through the attic.

It was kinda loud, lol.

Ugly on June 25, 2013 at 3:10 PM

The entire premise of “global warming” is increasing temperatures with increasing CO2.

That hasn’t happened.

Everything the climate communists predicted has failed to come to pass … everything.

Their models failed, their predictions failed, everything they say is a lie.

darwin on June 25, 2013 at 3:14 PM

President Barack Obama will ask the State Department not to approve the construction of the controversial Keystone XL pipeline unless it can first determine that it will not lead to a net increase in greenhouse gas emissions

If we don’t use the oil here, they’ll ship it to China to use anyway.

Done!

The Schaef on June 25, 2013 at 3:14 PM

If the Keystone XL pipeline is not built, Canada will pipe the oil over the Rockies to Vancouver, then ship it by tanker to China, where it will produce the same amount of greenhouse gases as if it was burned in the United States. What about the greenhouse gases emitted by the tanker, which would not be needed if the oil went through the pipeline to US refineries?

Of course, the Obama Administration will pull the same old sleight of hand that greenhouse gases emitted in China or over the Pacific don’t count, since the EPA can’t measure them.

Q: What’s the difference between a CO2 molecule emitted in China and a CO2 molecule emitted in the United States?

A: Nothing, except the U.S. can’t tax the former. Ask Hillary Clinton.

Steve Z on June 25, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Actually, it will produce MORE greenhouse gases, since China has fewer environmental regs. Not that the left-collectivist elites care about that…

ebrown2 on June 25, 2013 at 3:19 PM

You own it now New England, + Ohio, Illinois and Pennsylvania

jake49 on June 25, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Steve Z on June 25, 2013 at 3:04 PM

Thanks for the information!

Greyledge Gal on June 25, 2013 at 3:21 PM

FOLLOW THE MONEY!!

Who benefits from this?

GE and other Democrat buddies doing the pay-2-play game!

PappyD61 on June 25, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Let’s see if I have this right: Obama is all set to raise the price of electricity by fiat imposition of additional taxes and regulatory costs on coal producers, which will inordinately and negatively affect the middle and lower economic strata and the democrats are supporters of the “people” while the republicans are the party of big business? Do I have that right?

totherightofthem on June 25, 2013 at 3:41 PM

As usual, Congress continues to allow this buffoon to render them irrelevant. And they wonder why they have such a low approval rating. Anti-constitutional morons.

totherightofthem on June 25, 2013 at 3:42 PM

He, or one of his puppetmasters like Soros, is the anti-christ.

acyl72 on June 25, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Well Nostradamus said that the anti-christ would have a blue turban. Air Force One’s turbine engines are blue. Maybe Nostradamus had it right just spelled it wrong.

Oldnuke on June 25, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Isn’t saying this:

“In today’s speech, the president will make clear that the State Department should approve the pipeline only if it will not lead to a net increase in overall greenhouse gas emissions.”

The same lie as saying:

“I will not sign any health care bill that raises the deficit by one dime . . .”

DuctTapeMyBrain on June 25, 2013 at 3:49 PM

“[in 2008] the West Side Highway [and so much of Manhattan, NY] will be under water…” -James Hansen, 1988, NASA

Now the sea in Manhattan is exactly where it was 25 years ago, or at best just a few imperceptible mm higher.

anotherJoe on June 25, 2013 at 3:52 PM

I haven’t read all the comments yet but wanted to get this down – Obama said in this speech that the water level in New York City is a foot higher than 10 years ago.

This sounds like flat out fantasyland to me but can someone with more scientific intelligence than I possess give me the over/under on the possibility/probability of that being true??

Thanks!

Greyledge Gal on June 25, 2013 at 2:53 PM

The REB learned, or didn’t learn basic arithmetic in Indonesia. I can see him getting millimeters mixed up with feet.

slickwillie2001 on June 25, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Worst President Ever.

That is all.

DRayRaven on June 25, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Everything the climate communists predicted has failed to come to pass … everything.

Their models failed, their predictions failed, everything they say is a lie.

darwin on June 25, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Any reasonable person would, by this time, have asked “How wrong do they have to be before we stop listening to anything these hacks have to say?”

And yet, it’s still national policy (under both repubicans and democrats) to reduce CO2 in the atmosphere.

And CO2 isn’t even a pollutant. And it isn’t causing an increase in temperature.

We’re out of reasonable people.

runawayyyy on June 25, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Old house built around 1900, so it was designed for heating and cooling “the old-fashioned way”. Three fans move air through it so that hot air goes out through a second-floor window. You can feel the air current going up the stairway, acting as a natural conduit. Our forebears knew how to do things right.

eon on June 25, 2013 at 2:54 PM

That’s the way things worked then; and it worked well. When my family moved from Mississippi to Michigan, we carried that same cooling knowledge (it can get really hot in MI) and my pops installed a huge attic fan in our new home rather than AC… pumped all the stagnant hot air right up & out through the attic.

It was kinda loud, lol.

Ugly on June 25, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Still costs energy to run the fans and if the EPA finds out they hurt a fruit fly, they’ll be regulated too… /snark

And what good are those fans in the dead of winter when it’s 20-below zero?

Let’s see if I have this right: Obama is all set to raise the price of electricity by fiat imposition of additional taxes and regulatory costs on coal producers, which will inordinately and negatively affect the middle and lower economic strata and the democrats are supporters of the “people” while the republicans are the party of big business? Do I have that right?

totherightofthem on June 25, 2013 at 3:41 PM

See, what you’re forgetting is the thing I mentioned earlier — they’ll let utility rates (and with it gas and grocery prices) skyrocket and then they’ll get on their soapboxes, whine about how it’s not fair that hardworking families have to choose between eating and heating their homes and blame the greedy utility companies for the economic crunch.

Then they’ll say they’re “supporters of the people” because they demand a government program (subsidized by tax dollars) to help offset the cost of utility bills and expand the food stamp rolls.

Forward!

englishqueen01 on June 25, 2013 at 4:01 PM

I haven’t read all the comments yet but wanted to get this down – Obama said in this speech that the water level in New York City is a foot higher than 10 years ago.

This sounds like flat out fantasyland to me but can someone with more scientific intelligence than I possess give me the over/under on the possibility/probability of that being true??

Thanks!

Greyledge Gal on June 25, 2013 at 2:53 PM

NYTimes of all places: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/26/nyregion/king-tide-to-raise-sea-level-on-atlantic-coast.html?_r=0

For the constellation of islands that make up New York City, a rising sea level is not a minor issue: conservative projections call for a 7-to-12-inch increase by 2050, and a panel convened by Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg said in 2009 that if rapid ice melting took place, the rise could be 41 to 55 inches by 2080.

In fact, the sea level in New York has been rising about an inch per decade over the past 100 years, due to natural geologic processes, said Adam Freed, an official in the mayor’s Office of Long-Term Planning and Sustainability. The increases forecast for the rest of the century take into account expected changes in climate.

weaselyone on June 25, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Still costs energy to run the fans and if the EPA finds out they hurt a fruit fly, they’ll be regulated too… /snark

And what good are those fans in the dead of winter when it’s 20-below zero?

englishqueen01 on June 25, 2013 at 4:01 PM

That part of the year is handled by the high-efficiency gas furnace in the basement. That I just had overhauled on general principles.

My guess is EPA isn’t too thrilled about that, either.

cheers

eon

eon on June 25, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Obama will ask the State Department not to approve the construction of the controversial Keystone XL pipeline unless it can first determine that it will not lead to a net increase in greenhouse gas emissions

Easy. The tar sands go to China. China burns the same amount of oil using less efficient technology. More gas emissions.

blammm on June 25, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Greyledge Gal on June 25, 2013 at 2:53 PM

The REB learned, or didn’t learn basic arithmetic in Indonesia. I can see him getting millimeters mixed up with feet.

slickwillie2001 on June 25, 2013 at 3:56 PM

It might be even simpler than that.
Perhaps on his latest trip to NY the water level was in fact a foot higher than his trip there 10 years ago – so he believes what he’s saying.
I’d be willing to bet Obarky doesn’t know shiite about something called tides – and the difference between high tide and low tide.

dentarthurdent on June 25, 2013 at 4:43 PM

If I were the coal companies I would just shutter plants and see how long the public would tolerate electricity shortages. Then I would send a letter with the new outrageous electricity costs and ask customers to call the White House with any questions. Obama has no leverage in this scam.

Ellis on June 25, 2013 at 5:00 PM

It might be even simpler than that.
Perhaps on his latest trip to NY the water level was in fact a foot higher than his trip there 10 years ago – so he believes what he’s saying.
I’d be willing to bet Obarky doesn’t know shiite about something called tides – and the difference between high tide and low tide.

dentarthurdent on June 25, 2013 at 4:43 PM

The only ‘tides’ he understands is the financial laundering organization called The Tides. Money comes in, money goes out.

slickwillie2001 on June 25, 2013 at 5:02 PM

The only ‘tides’ he understands is the financial laundering organization called The Tides. Money comes in, money goes out.

slickwillie2001 on June 25, 2013 at 5:02 PM

I’d bet Romney’s $10k that if Obumble went to the NY shore at high tide, and stood there watching the water for 6 hours, he’d think the sea level went down because of him…..
Of course if he stayed there another 6 hours, he wouldn’t know what to make of it.

dentarthurdent on June 25, 2013 at 5:07 PM

The skies have parted and the words rang down from the Almighty, and the sheep swooned.

Oh well, got what the majority asked for, hope they can suffer the consequences. Meanwhile, Mother Nature is some where laughing so hard at us she is trying to keep her knickers dry.

N4646W on June 25, 2013 at 5:07 PM

If I were the coal companies I would just shutter plants and see how long the public would tolerate electricity shortages. Then I would send a letter with the new outrageous electricity costs and ask customers to call the White House with any questions. Obama has no leverage in this scam.

Ellis on June 25, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Unless Obama acts to nationalize the coal companies outright because they are depriving people of basic services.

Like Congress would challenge him on that… if anything, it’s the opposite. Obama has all the cards, all the leverage, and no opposition of any sort.

Myron Falwell on June 25, 2013 at 5:08 PM

The skies have parted and the words rang down from the Almighty, and the sheep swooned.

Oh well, got what the majority asked for, hope they can suffer the consequences. Meanwhile, Mother Nature is some where laughing so hard at us she is trying to keep her knickers dry.

N4646W on June 25, 2013 at 5:07 PM

But the Golgafrinchan refugees among us think it all makes perfect sense….

dentarthurdent on June 25, 2013 at 5:10 PM

All we need now is for someone to come up with a 3D printer oil pipeline.

I kid. Kinda.

Myron Falwell on June 25, 2013 at 5:19 PM

If I were the coal companies I would just shutter plants and see how long the public would tolerate electricity shortages. Then I would send a letter with the new outrageous electricity costs and ask customers to call the White House with any questions. Obama has no leverage in this scam.

Ellis on June 25, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Unless Obama acts to nationalize the coal companies outright because they are depriving people of basic services.

Like Congress would challenge him on that… if anything, it’s the opposite. Obama has all the cards, all the leverage, and no opposition of any sort.

Myron Falwell on June 25, 2013 at 5:08 PM

True. In a fascist nation, corporations not currently in favor have to tread carefully. Look at the rape of BP in the Gulf.

slickwillie2001 on June 25, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Has President Obama ever offered a plan that actually saved Americans money in reality?

Didn’t think so.

joekenha on June 25, 2013 at 1:25 PM

I’d settle for “worked”. Nothing this man has done has even worked.

Axeman on June 25, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Take that electric car owners!!!

Axeman on June 25, 2013 at 6:11 PM

But the Golgafrinchan refugees among us think it all makes perfect sense….

dentarthurdent on June 25, 2013 at 5:10 PM

Well, at least we decided on the color: green.

Axeman on June 25, 2013 at 6:12 PM

Any reasonable person would, by this time, have asked “How wrong do they have to be before we stop listening to anything these hacks have to say?”

runawayyyy on June 25, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Well, according to something I read the other day, if they have 5 more years of no warming, then they’ll consider that maybe their models are off. They ask us not to jump the gun and think that it means the earth isn’t warming or we’re not causing it–just that something might be wrong with the models.

Axeman on June 25, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Perhaps on his latest trip to NY the water level was in fact a foot higher than his trip there 10 years ago – so he believes what he’s saying.
I’d be willing to bet Obarky doesn’t know shiite about something called tides – and the difference between high tide and low tide.

dentarthurdent on June 25, 2013 at 4:43 PM

It must have risen at least that much — don’t you people remember Hurricane Sandy, trumpeted to the LIV as proof of climate change? And seeing the images of the self-made king touring the devastation? The sea rose all the way into Manhattan, hasn’t gone down yet, send more Fed $$$, take it from the coal companies and electrical consumers, now!

dave80 on June 25, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Take that electric car owners!!!

Axeman on June 25, 2013 at 6:11 PM

heh

Ugly on June 25, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Cant wait for the fools who elected him to complain about rising prices ……. on EVERYTHING.

fogw on June 25, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Can’t be so sure that we’ll have the better of them when that happens. I’ve already seen how businesses are the bad guy when they cut back on hours and healthcare owing the to regulation burden of the Affordable Tax Act. When the libs start complaining about how high the electric bills are, these fascists will propose “reform” legislation to take over the electrical companies and provide “affordable” energy. It was a crisis!!! Somebody had to do something about it. (As was some of the actual reasoning in the SCOTUS case for the Affordable Tax Act)

I think many conservatives underestimate the landslide of ideology/stupidity coming our way (I hope I don’t overestimate it, though).

Axeman on June 25, 2013 at 6:27 PM

Obama must have a death wish.
I suspect there are going to be some mighty unhappy union coal miners.
Maybe that AFL-CIO commie Trumka can get close enough to wack him.

dirtengineer on June 25, 2013 at 6:36 PM

“The water was 10 feet higher!”

Someone needs to tell Obama about low tide versus high tide.

BTW is the GOP going to go to the Supreme Court to stop these regulations? Are they legal?

What say you, Boehner?

PattyJ on June 25, 2013 at 7:48 PM

Obama would campaign to save pregnant armadillos if he thought it would distract from his failed presidency.

rplat on June 25, 2013 at 7:48 PM

One thing people forget is the underwater volcanoes that we dont see… this is new land being pushed up every minute. I am sure that displaces some water here and there.

watertown on June 25, 2013 at 8:03 PM

I never realized the road to CLoward/Piven would be so torturous. THey’ve successfully increased the amount of people on Social Security disability, increased the rolls for medicaid, taken money out of medicare, and completely ruined the health care system.

Now that they’ve accomplished that, they want to lead us into the 3rd world with a sub-par energy manufacturing and delivery system. If the United States grows, when energy gets cheaper, what happens when it becomes more expensive? SO, if they’ve made out health care system less affordable and now do the same for energy, where does that lead.

If we don’t recognize the attempt to completely change our society, for the worse, I fear it will get so bad it will be extremely difficult to repair. If the Democrats and Obama want to really destroy the country, you have to admit they’re going about it the right way.

bflat879 on June 25, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Is there anything Obama can’t do by using executive orders?

I think not.

I see abolishment of Congress coming soon. Hey, we don’t even need the courts, why keep those big expensive bodies around, we have a dictator that can do it all himself.

Axion on June 26, 2013 at 1:04 AM

Did anyone clue in The Zero that the whole ACW thing is a hoax? Apparently not.

Damn he’s late and a dollar short. Zero, stop lying! The science is settled! THERE IS NO MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING.

dogsoldier on June 26, 2013 at 8:11 AM

Did anyone clue in The Zero that the whole ACW thing is a hoax? Apparently not.

Damn he’s late and a dollar short. Zero, stop lying! The science is settled! THERE IS NO MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING.

dogsoldier on June 26, 2013 at 8:11 AM

It doesn’t matter to a liberal. If proven wrong on anything, a true liberal will keep repeating his misinformation until you finally accept it as fact. If you look around right now, you will find millions that unabashedly believe ACW is reality. They completey ignore reports of “cherry picked” data and bad research.

Boats48 on June 26, 2013 at 8:45 AM

He can EO all he wants – but it won’t stand up in the courts in any state that wants to take him on.

Zomcon JEM on June 26, 2013 at 9:56 AM

I never realized the road to CLoward/Piven would be so torturous

bflat879 on June 25, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Check the movie Idiocracy. It is a big discussion hit around here.

I disagree. You have to have some height for a “crash” to have a crisis effect. At the rate we are going, banana republics will be sending aid here.

Or we just leave immigration in the mess it is in. Then we can have most of the new Americans write home for their allowance.

Heard about the GDP? The constant revisions? These idiots can’t even get the quants correct, let alone the problem.

LOL!

IlikedAUH2O on June 26, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Left to the states how??? What does that mean exactly? The State of California had its say in a referendum but an unelected lower court stopped the will of the people in the state. This ruling seems to make the states powerless. Although I admit to finding much of the decision incoherent so perhaps I’m too dense to understand the wisdom of the Supremes and could have it all wrong, while Rand has it right.

Buy Danish on June 26, 2013 at 4:50 PM

He’s in the business of taking your money, not saving you money…

jimver on June 27, 2013 at 1:08 AM

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