Quotes of the day

posted at 10:21 pm on June 24, 2013 by Allahpundit

In a perfect world, these measures would not even be necessary. In a perfect world, the federal government would have spent the previous decades enforcing our laws and keeping its promises of securing the border. But our immigration system as we know it is far from perfect. In fact, it’s painfully and dangerously broken.

I understand the American people’s frustration. I know that these promises have been made in the past. But here’s the reality of it: the choice before us is to try to fix this, or leave it way it is and risk an even bigger problem due to Washington’s inaction. What we have today is a disaster of epic proportions. Eleven million human beings living among us, and we don’t know who they are. They are working but not paying taxes. There are criminals among them. That has to be solved. We need to fix this, and this is our chance to fix it.

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If the bill passes the Senate with 70 votes or more, as supporters predict, that could mean the bill is the product of sweet reason and compromise between the parties. Or it could mean the bill won so many votes because it is a bill filled with special provisions meant to buy off particular senators or generally calm the political anxiety of a Republican Party that feels it must improve its electoral chances with Hispanic voters. In a time when voters loathe Congress, will they see this bill as a rare piece of fruit or will they reason that anything that has the support of so many members of a body so thoroughly discredited must be awful?…

So much of the debate about immigration reform has been about a lack of trust in government and the lawmakers who make laws. Opponents of reform have constantly warned that they are in danger of repeating the mistakes of the 1986 immigration legislation. Amnesty was granted but the promised enforcement against future illegal immigrants never materialized.

The surest way to repeat this outcome, they have argued, would be to rush through a bill that no one looked at closely. They’ve been on particularly careful watch since after the 2012 election, when so many Republicans started promoting the idea that comprehensive reform must pass if the GOP is ever going to win over Hispanic voters and regain its national standing. These opponents are particular skeptical of the Corker-Hoeven amendment that increased border security to keep out illegal immigrants. “There is some real angst about the Corker border security amendment,” said one senior Republican Senate aide. “It’s full of add-ons to get votes, was written in secret and in a hurry. That doesn’t tend to end well. But it will be cover for enough people to vote for it to raise the number from around 60 to around 70.”

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“On a subject as important as immigration reform, there have been nine amendments vote on this bill in the last two weeks,” Cornyn, the number Republican in Senate leadership, said. “Nine amendments. To listen to our colleagues in the majority who are happy with the underlying bill because they wrote it, they act like we’ve had a fulsome opportunity to offer amendment but we have been willing to have votes so long as we get votes on our amendments. It’s not just the majority that has the opportunity to modify the underlying legislation and to debate it. The minority has rights too and our side wants to a right to choose our own amendments, not to have the Majority Leader choose which of our amendments he’s going to ordain to allow debate and votes on.”…

“That’s not Democracy,” Cornyn said. “That’s not the United States Senate. That’s a dictatorship.”

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“You can pretty much guarantee that if this bill is hanging out there over the August recess, conservative activists are going to be motivated,” said Dan Holler, a spokesman for Heritage Action for America, one of the Washington-based conservative groups that opposes the Gang of Eight’s bill.

Several Republican aides on Capitol Hill said they were conscious of the time crunch Congress faces. With just five legislative weeks left before the August recess, the Senate is only now getting around to voting on the full immigration reform package. Action in the House has been even slower. There is no announced timeline for immigration legislation; there isn’t even an agreement on whether the House should take up a comprehensive bill or a number of smaller measures in a piecemeal approach.

Two House leadership aides said they expect the House to act on immigration before the August recess. But, they said, it’s unlikely a conference committee, in which the House and Senate iron out differences between their respective bills, would be underway by the time Congress breaks for the summer.

That likely means members of Congress will head home to mobilized crowds of the bill’s opponents. Immigration reform backers counting on votes from farm state Republicans may find those members reluctant to go against such a tidal wave of opposition back home.

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When lawmakers return to the Capitol in September, they will be facing another financial crisis as they debate raising the country’s debt ceiling. The four- to six-week countdown toward extreme limitations on government payments to Social Security or military operations will do two things: It will suck all the life out of any deliberative legislative effort, immigration included, and it will polarize the political parties. It will be far from fertile ground for the biggest immigration overhaul in 30 years.

Proponents of the Senate’s immigration package are hoping that a strong vote this week among senators will push the more reluctant House Republicans to act, if only to get the emotional issue out of the way. “We know there’s going to be hard-line opponents. We know there’s a number of people, [Rep.] Paul Ryan, [D-Wis.], and others, who are in favor of this and will be pitching it to their colleagues.… That’s going to be the group that’s interesting to watch,” said America’s Voice Executive Director Frank Sharry.

But Sharry acknowledged the most problematic hurdle to passing an immigration overhaul—support from a majority of House Republicans—still eludes proponents. “The House leadership will try to muster 120 votes for a path to citizenship. I find it hard to think they will get there,” he said.

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You cannot have a functioning democratic republic when the laws are so voluminous no one can know what the law is. And that is especially the case when (a) the rationale for passing new laws — according to “reform” proponents like Senator Marco Rubio and Rep. Paul Ryan — is that we don’t enforce the laws currently on the books; (b) key parts of legislation consist of commitments to do what previously enacted law already commands; and (c) the president, notwithstanding his oath to take care that the laws are faithfully executed, claims the power to refrain from enforcing whatever laws he disapproves of. Washington has made a farce of the legislative process and of the once proud boast that we are ”a nation of laws not men.”…

Whatever the merits of the legislation (and who can say with confidence what they are?), the senate process alone is reason enough to vote against it. World’s greatest deliberative body? It is astounding that any lawmaker could vote for this beast and still call himself a conservative supporter of limited government.

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Rubio’s rapid evolution has baffled some of the people who rallied to his support in 2010. “He came across as the genuine article who believed things to his core, a passionate, from-the-heart principled conservative who spoke with conviction,” says one Republican who helped promote Rubio’s Senate candidacy when few establishment GOP figures supported him. “And immigration was not a small issue. It was so front and center in the 2010 campaign that it does create a certain level of distrust on other issues.”…

Back in 2008, and again in 2012, Romney’s opponents never let him forget the flip-flop that marked his move to the national political stage. In coming years, the same might become true for Marco Rubio.

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Just like they did for Obamacare, the permanent political class is sugaring this bill with one goody after another to entice certain senators to vote for it. Look no further than page 983 of the bill, which contains a special visa exemption for foreign seafood workers in the 49th state despite huge unemployment numbers in the American workforce. This is obviously a hidden favor designed to buy the votes of Alaska Senators Murkowski and Begich…

According to the CBO, the bill won’t stop illegal immigration, but it will drive down wages for average hardworking Americans. These would be the same blue-collar working class voters of every ethnicity who chose to sit home in 2012 instead of turning out to vote in the swing states we needed to carry in order to stop Barack Obama’s promised “fundamental transformation” of America. I note this just as a helpful reminder to those who believe the hyperventilated new hype claiming that conservatives need to support this bill in order to win future elections. That’s 100% wrong. The crony capitalists in D.C. and their corporatist friends on Wall Street might think this amnesty boondoggle is a great idea, but the average American worker in our middle class who’ll soon see lower wages is the one left out in the cold, along with those hard working immigrants who followed the rules and are working here legally.

Passing this bill with an unsecured border and within a growing welfare state under Barack Obama is economic insanity. Have people already forgotten that our bankrupt government is running up massive unsustainable deficits every year? We can’t afford to pay the piper now, much less the trillions of dollars more in welfare and entitlements for the millions who are here illegally today that will be granted this bill’s benefits. According to the Heritage Foundation, the bill provides only a temporary delay in granting illegal immigrants eligibility for all U.S. welfare and entitlement programs. We’re looking at an explosion of costs in the very near future. There is no way to pay for the added untold millions of new enrollees in these growing government programs. Pass this, Congress, and Obama will have succeeded in fundamentally transforming America.

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Via the Corner.

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Are Axie and RWM going to get hitched? Will she allow him to crawl into her web so she can wrap him up and devour him later?

SparkPlug on June 25, 2013 at 12:48 AM

A virtual wedding.

Welcome to my parlour said the spider to the SparkPlug fly…

Resist We Much on June 25, 2013 at 1:13 AM

If Heartaches Were Nickels – Bonamassa

thatsafactjack on June 25, 2013 at 1:14 AM

Will she allow him to crawl into her web so she can wrap him up and devour him later?

SparkPlug on June 25, 2013 at 12:48 AM

O thanks a lot for making a tough night that much tougher!

Her web is spun from troll gut and she laughs and purrs Pookie while she consumes your soul. You notice you aren’t even tied, that you aren’t even stuck, that you can leave at any time, and you start screaming Why am I here! Why don’t I run! as she laughs even harder.

At least, usually. The last few nights. I don’t know what happens after that because I wake up screaming. Other times I’m looking over a wasteland, and she commands me to take my battalion around the western hills and “flank them.” That one might be more of a premonition though.

!!!BEST GIRLFRIEND EVAH!!!

I’m retiring from the field when she’s done with me. Assuming I survive the depression and binge drinking. But ix-nay on the itching-hay. You’re salting my game, bro — she won’t hear that kind of talk. A witchy-woman’s love is different, she says. (You are required to say “Yes Ma’am” at that point.)

Meh. I’m going to bed. Wait — Jackie’s here. I’m going to bed in a minute.

Axe on June 25, 2013 at 1:17 AM

Good night williamg.

Nice to see you PRism.

MontanaMmmm on June 25, 2013 at 1:18 AM

My least favorite character is the ?

My most favortie is the ¿

Is SWalker back? How come no one cares.

I can be cool and hip. All I gotta do is nix the fanny pack, the hush puppies and the back hair and get a mood ring, man.

I love power tools.

Hey how about Festool? Freakin’ amazing stuff but expensive.

Oh, OK. I sounded almost like gyne as in gynecology because everything reminds me of that sort of thing.

Hey How about Kate Upton on horseback?

Are Axie and RWM going to get hitched? Will she allow him to crawl into her web so she can wrap him up and devour him later?

Lads and lasses, this is what is called ‘stream of consciousness’ posting.

Resist We Much on June 25, 2013 at 1:18 AM

Axe on June 25, 2013 at 1:17 AM

Good evening, Axefellow. :)

thatsafactjack on June 25, 2013 at 1:19 AM

Welcome to my parlour said the spider to the SparkPlug fly…

Resist We Much on June 25, 2013 at 1:13 AM

O crap. I didn’t know you were still here. :)

er

Axe on June 25, 2013 at 1:20 AM

Good evening, Axefellow. :)

thatsafactjack on June 25, 2013 at 1:19 AM

*passes Jackie binoculars* No sign. :/ Dunno.

Evening, that’s a fact!

Axe on June 25, 2013 at 1:21 AM

Her web is spun from troll gut and she laughs and purrs Pookie while she consumes your soul. You notice you aren’t even tied, that you aren’t even stuck, that you can leave at any time, and you start screaming Why am I here! Why don’t I run! as she laughs even harder.

IOW, I’m the Hotel California of virtual GFs.

At least, usually. The last few nights. I don’t know what happens after that because I wake up screaming. Other times I’m looking over a wasteland, and she commands me to take my battalion around the western hills and “flank them.” That one might be more of a premonition though.

!!!BEST GIRLFRIEND EVAH!!!

I’m retiring from the field when she’s done with me. Assuming I survive the depression and binge drinking. But ix-nay on the itching-hay. You’re salting my game, bro — she won’t hear that kind of talk. A witchy-woman’s love is different, she says. (You are required to say “Yes Ma’am” at that point.)

Axe on June 25, 2013 at 1:17 AM

Beautiful…and you even used VERBS!

Resist We Much on June 25, 2013 at 1:21 AM

Lads and lasses, this is what is called ‘stream of consciousness’ posting.

Resist We Much on June 25, 2013 at 1:18 AM

rotf

Axe on June 25, 2013 at 1:21 AM

Jackie: I don’t know where the problem is but think sloe gin, or whiskey which ever turns your crank.

thatsafactjack on June 25, 2013 at 1:04 AM

Fred

jrsrigmvr on June 25, 2013 at 1:22 AM

Axe on June 25, 2013 at 1:21 AM

*sigh*

We’ll keep up the watch, just the same.

I remain hopeful.

thatsafactjack on June 25, 2013 at 1:22 AM

jrsrigmvr on June 25, 2013 at 1:22 AM

This evening, Fred, I poured the single malt.

Yes.

It’s been that kind of day.

thatsafactjack on June 25, 2013 at 1:23 AM

Don’t fret, Williamg! You still hold the title for Best Non Sequitur Evah!

Nuclear power plants to Pete Townshend in one breath.

Priceless.

Resist We Much on June 25, 2013 at 1:25 AM

Sloe Gin – Bonamassa

For Fred, Scrumpy, and SWalker.

thatsafactjack on June 25, 2013 at 1:25 AM

I love power tools.

Hey how about Festool? Freakin’ amazing stuff but expensive.

Oh, OK. I sounded almost like gyne as in gynecology because everything reminds me of that sort of thing.

Hey How about Kate Upton on horseback?

Are Axie and RWM going to get hitched? Will she allow him to crawl into her web so she can wrap him up and devour him later?

rotf — I didn’t even see that!

Axe on June 25, 2013 at 1:25 AM

thatsafactjack on June 25, 2013 at 1:25 AM

That’s it

Fred

jrsrigmvr on June 25, 2013 at 1:28 AM

jrsrigmvr on June 25, 2013 at 1:28 AM

:) We’re sypatico, Fred.

thatsafactjack on June 25, 2013 at 1:29 AM

Sorry…sympatico….

thatsafactjack on June 25, 2013 at 1:29 AM

All right. Now I’m going to bed.

Goodnight everyone.

Night graceful Jackie. :)

Still hate this part, Resist. Will always hate this part. It’s just, I’m about to fall down, so it’s going to happen, this part, with or without me.

Axe on June 25, 2013 at 1:30 AM

Axe on June 25, 2013 at 1:30 AM

Goodnight, Axefellow. Get some rest. Sleep well. :)

thatsafactjack on June 25, 2013 at 1:30 AM

Axe on June 25, 2013 at 1:30 AM

nite axe see you soon when i return again, briefly.

Fred

jrsrigmvr on June 25, 2013 at 1:32 AM

jrsrigmvr on June 25, 2013 at 1:32 AM

In the meantime, while you’re out there working, keep yourself safe and well, Fred. :)

thatsafactjack on June 25, 2013 at 1:33 AM

Happier Times – Bonamassa

No reason to break up a set. :)

I bid you all a fond goodnight. It’s been a pleasure, as always.

Live in the moment.

“Keep yourselves where the light is.”

thatsafactjack on June 25, 2013 at 1:35 AM

thatsafactjack on June 25, 2013 at 1:35 AM

Goodnite moongoddess

Fred

jrsrigmvr on June 25, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Still hate this part, Resist. Will always hate this part. It’s just, I’m about to fall down, so it’s going to happen, this part, with or without me.

Axe on June 25, 2013 at 1:30 AM

Here, let me tuck you in and give you a kiss nitey-nite. Smooch!

Resist We Much on June 25, 2013 at 1:38 AM

Only version

Schadenfreude on June 25, 2013 at 1:40 AM

nite all.

Adios: vaya con dios!

Fred

jrsrigmvr on June 25, 2013 at 1:46 AM

this is pretty brutal, because it is true

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2013/06/25/5-reasons-republicans-lose-elections-wrapped-up-in-the-amnesty-bill-n1626899/page/full

That begs a question: Why should the American people want the GOP in office? If both parties are just as incompetent, just as dishonest and just as committed to working for special interests instead of the American people, but the Democrats will give you more free stuff, then what good are the Republicans?

the whole piece is correct…although i would quibble with the part where the dems don’t govern well.

i think the left/obama/media complex has done a great job of governing from the left. obama.care is working out great…we’ll have single payer soon..after much pain the birthing will be welcomed. Not bad for a leftist.

i think the immigration bill will probably be just as transformative..and again, great news, if you are of the left

so team barry has done a good job.

r keller on June 25, 2013 at 1:47 AM

The first time Obama talked tough to other nations that threaten us(China, Russia) was when his own corruption, which is comparable to their lust for power, was unveiled. Obama is nothing but a petty tyrant with no interest in protecting anyone but himself. To anyone who calls him a traitor, whether it be true or not, Barack Hussein Obama is more of a traitor by any measure.

MadisonConservative on June 25, 2013 at 1:59 AM

Obama is nothing but a petty tyrant with no interest in protecting anyone but himself….
MadisonConservative on June 25, 2013 at 1:59 AM

One more – he furthers the muslim brotherhood.

He is transparent. People just misunderstood what he meant by it.

r keller, thank you. I just sent that to prominent distributors. Must make the rounds fast.

Schadenfreude on June 25, 2013 at 2:09 AM

Remember when the thinking was that Rubio was being played by the Democrats? No way, he was playing those who helped him get elected. He’s a lowlife.

mobydutch on June 25, 2013 at 2:33 AM

Is SWalker back? How come no one cares.

SparkPlug on June 25, 2013 at 12:30 AM

I wish SWalker would handled his situation like ALT has…some people may describe what ALT did as groveling – I don’t, and I am glad she is back!

FTR, I have left forums before that I believed were capriciously overmoderated (HuffingtonPost, RightNation.US to name 2) – I don’t believe HA fits that bill.

Anti-Control on June 25, 2013 at 2:39 AM

“By the way, you know that “Commission of Border State Governors” that will have a large role in deciding whether or not the border is sealed?

One of those “border states” will be Nevada, where Reid (D) and Heller (R) are both pro-amnesty.

See, they’ve decided that Nevada is a border state despite, you know, not having a border with anything except other US states.

“This amendment ensures the commission created in the underlying bill is fully representative of issues affecting southern border and southwestern states,” Heller said. “Although Nevada does not touch the southern border, its current demographics and state issues are reflective of other southern border states and Nevada should have a voice on this commission.”

By that logic, New York should be a “border state” too — and it probably will be.

I strongly suspect “border states” will be getting bought off to okay further amnesties. So of course Reid and Heller want a share of these additional billions in bribery.

Apart from rigging the game dishonestly before it’s even begun– you can totally trust these guys. Honestly…”

Posted by: Ace

http://minx.cc/?post=341175

workingclass artist on June 25, 2013 at 2:39 AM

Welcome to my parlour said the spider to the SparkPlug fly…

Resist We Much on June 25, 2013 at 1:13 AM

The Rolling Stones – “The Spider and the Fly”

Anti-Control on June 25, 2013 at 2:44 AM

Dire Straits was here but late..:)

Dire Straits on June 25, 2013 at 3:18 AM

You know, if Republicans ever learned to fight like Democrats, we’d have people on the ground in CBC districts telling their constituents that their Reps are about to vote their jobs away to people who showed up here illegally and don’t even speak English. Tell them they figure they can screw them and still automatically get their votes as well as the votes of the people about to take their jobs.

Democrats keep building their constituency groups, who are often warring with each other (as would be expected when you’re in the business of giving away free stuff), but we never try to challenge them to defend those voters. We should try to ruthlessly drive a wedge between them on every front just like they do with ours.

crrr6 on June 25, 2013 at 12:36 AM

That is really a great idea, but there is one problem. These groups aren’t generally high information voters. They are only reached by the MSM for about as long as it takes them to set down the beer and pick up the remote. I’m sure you’ll remember that the MSM isn’t on our side, so work on taking over the MSM and then we’ll put your scheme into action.

DFCtomm on June 25, 2013 at 6:27 AM

good morning HA

so mj will probably be defending david gregory again today and bash george zimmerman’s attorney and bash the gop who did not vote for this boondoggle….

am i right marcus or renalin?

cmsinaz on June 25, 2013 at 6:29 AM

oh no, dear leader has less influcence now than ever before via politico and yet dear leader is taking credit for this immigration bill….poor rubio and schumer
the lsm will give the victory to obama as well…what a true leader
/

cmsinaz on June 25, 2013 at 6:31 AM

In a perfect world, these measures would not even be necessary. In a perfect world, the federal government would have spent the previous decades enforcing our laws and keeping its promises of securing the border. But our immigration system as we know it is far from perfect. In fact, it’s painfully and dangerously broken.

I understand the American people’s frustration. I know that these promises have been made in the past. But here’s the reality of it: the choice before us is to try to fix this, or leave it way it is and risk an even bigger problem due to Washington’s inaction. What we have today is a disaster of epic proportions. Eleven million human beings living among us, and we don’t know who they are. They are working but not paying taxes. There are criminals among them. That has to be solved. We need to fix this, and this is our chance to fix it.

False premises wrapped in double talk.

No.. it’s not the reality. It’s a freaking sham of a bill! The reality is congress can’t be trusted to do anything good! That’s the reality!

JellyToast on June 25, 2013 at 6:42 AM

Good Morning, Patriots! ““Immigration Reform”, Vichy Republicans, and the Conservative Base”
My take.

kingsjester on June 25, 2013 at 6:43 AM

capriciously overmoderated (HuffingtonPost, RightNation.US to name 2) – I don’t believe HA fits that bill.

Anti-Control on June 25, 2013 at 2:39 AM

Indeed. If HA was “capriciously overmoderated” I think I would have been gone a long time ago.

davidk on June 25, 2013 at 6:45 AM

The reality is congress can’t be trusted to do anything good! That’s the reality!

JellyToast on June 25, 2013 at 6:42 AM

amen JT…amen

cmsinaz on June 25, 2013 at 6:46 AM

davidk on June 25, 2013 at 6:45 AM
If HA was overmoderated, Trolls like Sauer(kraut) Puss would not be allowed to hijack threads.

kingsjester on June 25, 2013 at 6:47 AM

See, they’ve decided that Nevada is a border state despite, you know, not having a border with anything except other US states.

workingclass artist on June 25, 2013 at 2:39 AM

Well, it does have a border with California which is about as bad as having a border with Mexico.

davidk on June 25, 2013 at 6:48 AM

kingsjester on June 25, 2013 at 6:43 AM

great take KJ

SPOT ON…

cmsinaz on June 25, 2013 at 6:56 AM

cmsinaz on June 25, 2013 at 6:29 AM

yep.

renalin on June 25, 2013 at 6:57 AM

cmsinaz on June 25, 2013 at 6:56 AM

Thank you, ma’am!

kingsjester on June 25, 2013 at 6:58 AM

Well, it does have a border with California which is about as bad as having a border with Mexico.

davidk on June 25, 2013 at 6:48 AM

This is the deal that Collins cut behind closed doors via Ace:

Incidentally, check out some of these corrupt deals struck to gain votes. Collins had a provision stricken which had specified that 90% of all spending on border security must be directed towards the Southern border; she had that stricken so that Maine could enjoy some unneeded pork spending to keep the Canucks out.

I’d love to transport the millions of illegals we have here up to the pristine state of Maine for just a day and see how they like their neighborhoods being destroyed, increase in crime, packed hospitals, jails, etc. Because that’s what’s in store for the rest of the country. It’ll just happen in the border states faster.

P.S. We have 48 hours to get 11 votes. Unlikely, but not impossible. Please make just one call today to a Dem that voted no in 2007 or some of the turncoat Rs. MM called this a “test” vote and encouraged everyone not to stop.

TxAnn56 on June 25, 2013 at 7:04 AM

zimmerman has already been convicted by the lsm…poor guy, he never had a chance…

cmsinaz on June 25, 2013 at 7:08 AM

TxAnn56 on June 25, 2013 at 7:04 AM

More like 20 votes or so. I suppose some Senators who voted for cloture, or were absent, will pretend they’re against it on the final vote. But it’ll almost certainly pass the Senate.

Fenris on June 25, 2013 at 7:16 AM

Pic of the Day: President Obama, Please Explain Why We Are Arming People Who Do This…

Not. In. My. Name.

Resist We Much on June 25, 2013 at 7:31 AM

I despise Obama.

davidk on June 25, 2013 at 7:34 AM

More like 20 votes or so. I suppose some Senators who voted for cloture, or were absent, will pretend they’re against it on the final vote. But it’ll almost certainly pass the Senate.

Fenris on June 25, 2013 at 7:16 AM

Actually, if you count the 27 nos, plus Lee, Enzi and Chambliss who didn’t vote (Lee was a solid no and Enzi and Chambliss voted no in 2007), you get to 30. If the full Senate votes, you need 11 more. Put another way, they got 67 and would need to lose 8 from that group for to fail, as they need 60. So in reality, it’s not 20. And while it probably will pass, if we can get the numbers down, it will limp into the House, versus the 70 that Schumer is shooting for.

TxAnn56 on June 25, 2013 at 7:36 AM

And one last note before I head for the day job that supports the illegals we already have here, right before the final vote in 2007 (where it died in the Senate), Dubya was so confident that he said “see you at the signing.”

TxAnn56 on June 25, 2013 at 7:39 AM

…right on!…kj!

KOOLAID2 on June 25, 2013 at 7:42 AM

TxAnn56 on June 25, 2013 at 7:36 AM

Cloture already passed, that’s what you need 60 votes for. They only need 50 plus Biden.

Fenris on June 25, 2013 at 7:49 AM

Not. In. My. Name.

Resist We Much on June 25, 2013 at 7:31 AM

That is beyond disturbing. I despise McCain, too.

Fallon on June 25, 2013 at 7:50 AM

And, on a lighter note, someone please ask Obama to name a Blackhawks player when he, no doubt, takes some kind of credit for their win.

Fallon on June 25, 2013 at 7:54 AM

And, on a lighter note, someone please ask Obama to name a Blackhawks player when he, no doubt, takes some kind of credit for their win.

Fallon on June 25, 2013 at 7:54 AM

…he likes…Bowman Scotty!

KOOLAID2 on June 25, 2013 at 8:03 AM

Good morning.

wolly4321 on June 25, 2013 at 8:04 AM

Indeed. If HA was “capriciously overmoderated” I think I would have been gone a long time ago.

davidk on June 25, 2013 at 6:45 AM

Yep, me too!

I like it here, even though the moderation is not perfect – at least I know where the general lines are drawn, and it could be a heckuva lot worse. For one example, going to the Disqus system, which I actually like, would greatly lessen the appeal of HA for me.

Anti-Control on June 25, 2013 at 8:05 AM

Here you go:

“A secure border and a path to citizenship are good for Illinois’ economy and good for Illinois jobs, and I look forward to supporting its final passage in the coming days.”

http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2013/06/kirk-explains-vote-in-favor-of-corker-hoeven-amendment-to-immigration-bill.html

So glad we elected an R to counter Dirtbag. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Fallon on June 25, 2013 at 8:31 AM

“Iunderstand the American people’s frustration. I know that these promises have been made in the past. But here’s the reality of it: the choice before us is to try to fix this, or leave it way it is and risk an even bigger problem due to Washington’s inaction. What we have today is a disaster of epic proportions. Eleven million human beings living among us, and we don’t know who they are. They are working but not paying taxes. There are criminals among them. That has to be solved. We need to fix this, and this is our chance to fix it.”

Blah, blah, blah…Democrat talking points.

- The bill won’t “fix this”.

- They’re working and they are paying taxes except for the few working for cash. We have Americans doing that too.

- What’s the disaster? Please explain.

- The only thing broke is our Federal Government. We’re not attempting to fix that. It’s just getting worse.

If they really wanted to fix the problem they would cut off the money supply (jobs) and social services to illegal aliens. Instead, they advertise the jobs and free stuff to attract them. They all make me sick to my stomach!

cajunpatriot on June 25, 2013 at 8:52 AM

No matter how bad or rushed a bill is as with the amnesty bill with the aid of Republicans voting as Democrats (not with but as), remember this -the the Republican base will never abandon the Republican Party. From county chairs to lifelong supporters, there’s as much willful ignorance within the GOP as there is in the Democratic Party. There are too many photo ops and empty award ceremonies, dinners and handshakes, private but expensive gatherings and personal greetings for Republican loyalists to ever realize that the country is no longer important to the GOP. Power is. The electorate and Americans are an inconvenience to which Republican elected officials will pander but no longer represent.

Signed,

A Tea Party Conservative

madmonkphotog on June 25, 2013 at 9:11 AM

A Tea Party Conservative

madmonkphotog on June 25, 2013 at 9:11 AM

I’m not ready to throw in the towel just yet. They tried this in 2007 and got their arses handed to them when it came time to vote. Then, in ’08 and ’09 the Democraps weren’t even stupid enough to try it again. I’m waiting to see what storm hits DC after the Senate traitors pass their bill and what the House will do with it if anything.

Boehner should not allow the bill to go to the floor, just like Reid blocks every Republican bill in the Senate. It will depend just how much of a fool the Democrats play Republicans for.

cajunpatriot on June 25, 2013 at 10:26 AM

I heard Ryan today praising the senate bill,”as a step in the right direction”.

celtic warrior on June 25, 2013 at 4:07 PM

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